Challenge Everything
Footballguy
And, on the flip side, there are states with Republican "leadership" that are still going to have elections on Tuesday. The states with elections are Tuesday are also in lockdowns while other states have postponed.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I said it weeks ago, his press conferences are a breath of fresh air in a bad situation.
I stopped watching Trump press conferences, they’re awful, not informative, and basically just rambling whatever is at the top of his head at the time.
* just to note, this isn’t a political post. I don’t care about anything political right now. Simply noting his leadership is abysmal, which isn’t saying Joe Biden is the answer (as Trump supporters feel the need to dig in), just saying Trump certainly isn’t the answer... Maybe he can resign and let Pence take over, I’ll take basically anyone but Trump right now, just horrible!
I stopped watching Trump press conferences, they’re awful, not informative, and basically just rambling whatever is at the top of his head at the time.
* just to note, this isn’t a political post. I don’t care about anything political right now. Simply noting his leadership is abysmal, which isn’t saying Joe Biden is the answer (as Trump supporters feel the need to dig in), just saying Trump certainly isn’t the answer... Maybe he can resign and let Pence take over, I’ll take basically anyone but Trump right now, just horrible!
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Footballguy
Dude. The partial ban was announced on January 31st but did not go in effect until February 2nd. By giving advanced warning, Trump allowed thousands of possibly infected foreign nationals to quickly purchase tickets and fly directly into the US without being screened.
Come on. The actual order is right here on the Whitehouse website.
squistion
Footballguy
From ABC News:
George W. Bush in 2005: "If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare"
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-late-prepare/story?id=69979013
George W. Bush in 2005: "If we wait for a pandemic to appear, it will be too late to prepare"
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/george-bush-2005-wait-pandemic-late-prepare/story?id=69979013
Apple Jack
Footballguy
He seems to not have learned his lesson on that one, as the NFL should be starting on time!
Man In The Box
Footballguy
I would like to hear from residents of these states to see what their local press conferences are like. I haven’t seen any of them covered on TV where I am (NYC area). Would be great if there are some that are similar to Cuomo’s.
The Commish
Footballguy
I'm not sure there's an expert around saying that even the limited precautions we've taken haven't been necessary. By all accounts NY is going to probably come to the brink without being catastrophic which is great news, but that wouldn't have been possible without the attempts at flattening. As NY begins to come out of it, states like mine will likely begin their test along with Michigan and then we'll watch the states like Texas and Georgia beginning to become hotspots. There's still a long way to go.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Are you okay with holding elections on Tuesday, in presumably, your state of Wisconsin? If so, how can you justify being okay with holding them? Virtually every other state has postponed them.
timschochet
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Man In The Box
Footballguy
Thanks, good to know. Seems like states are on their own, at least for the near future, so local leadership is going to be a huge key to our overall national success dealing with this thing.
beef
Footballguy
I'm not. Horrible decision not to postpone. I've heard that quite a few polling places in Milwaukee won't be open either due to lack of poll workers. GOP knows what they're doing to help keep Kelly on the Supreme Court.
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
I was curious about your statement.
180 polling places down to 5? That must be a Republican's dream.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Just listen to when Pence talks as well..real leadership.
Also...most all have praised Pence during this while criticizing Trump...showing again its not a partisan thing.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
Washington State recorded the first corona virus death on Feb 29th, although I believe that was case was discovered posthumously. In the first week of March the Coronavirus ripped through a nursing home and killed multiple residents and staff. By March 7th we led the country in total number of cases, with 140. New York was a little behind us with 110. Our governor - Jay Inslee - responded quickly and forcefully, with meetings, events, and any gathering banned, bars and restaurants closed, and work from home if possible directions issued. The Seattle metro region, where virtually all of those cases have been found, clamped down successfully. One chart I saw had the average Seatllite traveling a total of 61 feet away from their residence on a daily basis, as compared to several miles before the lockdown.
Happy to say that we’re now #10 in the country in total number of cases, despite testing a higher# of people per capita than any other state. We’re at 7,000 total, while New York, which waited several weeks longer to respond to the virus, is over 100,000.
I’m not going to argue that lockdowns automatically work, b/c you obviously need to population to buy in it, but they most certainly can work.
beef
Footballguy
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
sho nuff
Footballguy
Governor Lee here (yeah out primary is dine)...his press conferences have been ok deferring to experts. But he has deferred so much to the counties and hesitated to shut many things down. Not been a fan of some of his decisions there
Mayor Cooper in Nashville has done better IMO...quicker and more decisive and his press conferences have been very good. As, from what I have heard from others, have other mayors around the state.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Its a nightmare. Those places will be packed with high risk people.
I am so annoyed.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
zoonation
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Correct, and he has displayed this behavior long before now. Seems to base a lot of decisions on whowever had his ear that morning or whatever Fox was saying that day.
dkp993
Footballguy
In Cali here. I’m was pretty middled on Newsome prior to this (he’s to far left for me) and my wife couldn’t stand him. He’s been downright excellent during this crisis, my wife’s been praising his news conferences and decisive actions from the jump. He’s showing excellent leadership and I’m happy he’s in charge right now.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
It will backfire IMO.Challenge Everything said:
Likely for the first time ever, a Republican President's approval with Likely/Registered voters is WORSE than his approval with all adults. Republicans typically have a decent advantage there. Trump is -3% +/- with everyone and -5% +/- with likely voters.
And Dems are going to be hyper motivated in November. Voting against Trump is literally one of the only things I'd leave my house for right now. In fact I haven't been in another building for 3 weeks. As long as grocery delivery holds it might be the only thing that would get me out of my neighborhood today.
Throw in the inevitable decline in his polling performance over the next six months and it's going to be a steep hill for him to climb.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I am not up on this, but I thought my wife mentioned he claimed that he couldn't legally shut down the elections? Or legislation wouldn't vote for that?Challenge Everything said:
JamieMurphy
Footballguy
Suffice it to say the "wartime president" still has bone spurs and stayed home.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
We’re going to do it until it’s safe to come out. That time will probably arrive sooner than a vaccine, if the info on asymptomatic carriers proves to be correct. I’m sure large public gatherings (stadiums, concerts, etc) will continue to be banned for a while even once the restrictions are eased.cloppbeast said:
For comparisons sake, I give you Italy and their hospital system. The Italians carried on in Trump style denial, and now they’re on much stronger lockdown than washington, and by the way their hospitals are ####ed. New York heading that way quickly. Yet somehow you find this outcome preferable?
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The Z Machine
Footballguy
I've never voted for, and may never vote for him due to his active disdain for and policies against the largest city in the state, but he's been great. Clear communicator, clear leadership, chart instructions. Acting based on expert opinion, and acting decisively. I'm happy to have him at the helm right now.Amused to Death said:
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
From the reading I've done this morning, I'm not sure why he can't but Evers has stated he is not able to do so without the Assembly. Maybe other state legislatures have worked together with their governors while Wisconsin's hasn't. I'm not sure where the confusion is.
This article doesn't pinpoint anything really either.
Maybe more reasons in this article.
It would appear to be that the Republican legislature is okay with a "hurricane" of sickness and death but maybe Republicans are okay with that.
The following I found via reddit, but
Republicans ask US Supreme Court to block absentee extension.
Gov Evers special session lasted one minute as Republicans gaveled in and gaveled out.
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Amused to Death
Footballguy
My dad, a lifelong union Democrat, says that's one Republican he could vote for.
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
Fits the pattern of "he's not the devil or such an evil person after all now that he's not in office".Sammy3469 said:
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
>>Dr. Lynn Goldman, dean of the Milken Institute School of Public Health at George Washington University, says she was surprised to read the document guidance, after Reuters pointed it out to her. “Geez!” she said. “No references, no nothing! Why would CDC be publishing anecdotes? That doesn’t make sense. This is very unusual.”
Flier, the former Harvard dean, agreed. “It’s kind of offering these drugs up and suggesting that doctors might prescribe them when it’s obviously not established whether or not they are effective or harmful,” he said.
...The CDC would not disclose the identities of the authors who prepared the document, nor detail its sourcing.
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A paper in Annals of Internal Medicine, the premier internal medicine journal, this week warned of the dangers of touting the drugs, given the unproven evidence and their potential shortage for other uses, such as treatment for patients with lupus.
In a statement to Reuters, the paper’s authors, Drs. Jinoos Yazdany and Alfred H.J. Kim, on one hand called the CDC document “direct and factual, if its purpose is to outline what we do know.”
But they also expressed concern that the guidance may “leave the reader free to interpret this information depending on their bias. We do think a document like this should more clearly state what this means for health care providers.”
Noting the president’s tweets in their report, the authors urged the medical community and the U.S. government to send “clear messages” that include a proper interpretation of available data “to counteract misinformation, including misleading statements or articles with ‘clickbait’ material.”<<
Flier, the former Harvard dean, agreed. “It’s kind of offering these drugs up and suggesting that doctors might prescribe them when it’s obviously not established whether or not they are effective or harmful,” he said.
...The CDC would not disclose the identities of the authors who prepared the document, nor detail its sourcing.
...
A paper in Annals of Internal Medicine, the premier internal medicine journal, this week warned of the dangers of touting the drugs, given the unproven evidence and their potential shortage for other uses, such as treatment for patients with lupus.
In a statement to Reuters, the paper’s authors, Drs. Jinoos Yazdany and Alfred H.J. Kim, on one hand called the CDC document “direct and factual, if its purpose is to outline what we do know.”
But they also expressed concern that the guidance may “leave the reader free to interpret this information depending on their bias. We do think a document like this should more clearly state what this means for health care providers.”
Noting the president’s tweets in their report, the authors urged the medical community and the U.S. government to send “clear messages” that include a proper interpretation of available data “to counteract misinformation, including misleading statements or articles with ‘clickbait’ material.”<<
beef
Footballguy
Correct. Gov Evers cannot postpone without legislative approval which is controlled by GOP. It's in the WI Constitution.
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Challenge Everything
Footballguy
That is the only conclusion I can gather from the reading I have done this morning. Wisconsin Republicans should be put through the ringer but if they get a 10-year Supreme Court seat out of it... it would appear to be they would rather risk a few lives for that power. Shameful. I doubt any Republican, Wisconsin or otherwise, can justify these actions. None.
beef
Footballguy
It's sad man, and my wife will be working one of these polls. I'm trying not to point fingers and push blame on the WI GOP but it's hard. They're putting their politics above the people at all costs. Makes my voting decisions very easy.
as others have said, this is a dream come true for republicans. Followers that believe this is a hoax and will turn out in droves, normal people will stay home out of fear and limited voting options....it's all their plans coming together at once.
John Blutarsky
Footballguy
the response is very much planned...they are pushing it through for these exact reasons. Why not use a good crisis to ensure your power...
Feel free to justify it because that's what your inane remark is trying to set up. You are fishing so hard
It just feels like something every person with common sense can agree with here...that this is a bad idea and it's only goal is to consolidate power. But you prove otherwise i guess...
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John Blutarsky
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