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Who should Biden pick as his running mate?  

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17 hours ago, hooter311 said:

It won't be Kamala Harris.  Her trajectory is towards the attorney general and/or supreme court justice.

 

It won't be Warren.  They need her in the Senate and strategically there is too much risk she attempts to outshine Biden on the campaign trail.  From her point of view it may make more sense to strengthen her position for a 2024 run and maintain some distance from jumping on team Biden.

 

It won't be Abrams.  You don't attempt to strong arm the position on national television like she did on the View.  Joe is old school.

 

The Corona response is going to make it unlikely for Whitmer to be able to accept the nomination and avoid career ending backlash of abandoning her state during a crisis after imposing more restrictions than the rest of the country.

 

Generally the nomination goes to a senator or a governor but the combined affects of both Corona and a tight Senate majority might open the door for someone like Mayor Bottoms from Atlanta.

The job is 100% Michelle Obama's of she wants it.  I don't think she does, but I could be wrong or she could change her mind.

Turnout is going to improve the ticket's chances so there is a ton of racial pressure to choose an African American or Latino.

Strategically, if team Biden determines that Demings will secure them Florida, she should arguably be the current favorite.

Klobuchar, Demings, Matso, and Grisham are all +EV at current sportsbook odds.

 If something catastrophic were to happen to the Biden campaign after the convention, the party would almost certainly have to turn to Hilary because they wouldn't have time to position anyone else and have any type of chance.  If it does end up being Hillary, Castro from Texas would be her most likely vp.  

Michelle Obama? Biden is elderly so we need an experienced person as VP who can step in and actually run the country. Just because you were married to a POTUS does not make you a candidate to be vice POTUS.  I would take any mentioned in the poll before Obama.

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59 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

Michelle Obama? Biden is elderly so we need an experienced person as VP who can step in and actually run the country. Just because you were married to a POTUS does not make you a candidate to be vice POTUS.  I would take any mentioned in the poll before Obama.

Yeah, this fascination with Michelle Obama is ridiculous.  She did absolutely ZERO while she was in the WH and, in fact, hated it so much she was taking 3 week vacations every 2 weeks (at taxpayers expense, of course).  The woman literally cried for hours after finally leaving the WH for good.

I don't know where some people get the idea that she would make a good President.  She has ZERO experience doing anything other than being married to Barack.  The left is fixated on this cult of celebrity as if that alone makes someone qualified.  They're like a high school clique.

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14 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

I don't know where some people get the idea that she would make a good President.  She has ZERO experience doing anything other than being married to Barack.  The left is fixated on this cult of celebrity as if that alone makes someone qualified. 

It’s like 2016 never even happened.

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5 minutes ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

It’s like 2016 never even happened.

Except that would be a lie. Trump has lots of business experience prior to becoming president.

Michelle Obama has being married to Barack as her resume.

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Claiming Michelle Obama has no experience other than marriage?

Totally not a disingenuous posting at all.

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2 hours ago, BladeRunner said:

 

Michelle Obama has being married to Barack as her resume.

An undergraduate degree from Princeton and a law degree from Harvard and executive director of a non profit and roles in city government and a dean for University of Chicago and a VP for Univ of Chicago hospitals. And yes, first lady.

I am unsure why a resume like that makes someone less likely to be a good VP than any other. We shouldtake a wider look at who would make a good leaders in this country. 

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Candace Owens

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At around #YouAintBlack o’clock yesterday morning, @JoeBiden’s team will have made the necessary decision to select a black Vice President. Can’t wait to find out who their emergency PR candidate will be!

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1 hour ago, the moops said:

An undergraduate degree from Princeton and a law degree from Harvard and executive director of a non profit and roles in city government and a dean for University of Chicago and a VP for Univ of Chicago hospitals. And yes, first lady.

I am unsure why a resume like that makes someone less likely to be a good VP than any other. We shouldtake a wider look at who would make a good leaders in this country. 

Democrats had 29 candidates in the presidential primary...how wide of a look do you need?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

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8 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Candace Owens

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At around #YouAintBlack o’clock yesterday morning, @JoeBiden’s team will have made the necessary decision to select a black Vice President. Can’t wait to find out who their emergency PR candidate will be!

I can't believe that black host let him get away with that too.  Had that been a Republican you know dang well he would have went ballistic right then and there.

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3 hours ago, sho nuff said:

Claiming Michelle Obama has no experience other than marriage?

Totally not a disingenuous posting at all.

I'm pretty sure I have read on these forums Trump supporters saying they would be fine with our next presidents after Donald  being Ivanka, Don Jr, Eric, and Barron.

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it's already been promised. anybody who wants to bet for a Covfefe19-related charity can have the field against MinnyMom for up to $500

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7 hours ago, Mile High said:

I'm pretty sure I have read on these forums Trump supporters saying they would be fine with our next presidents after Donald  being Ivanka, Don Jr, Eric, and Barron.

It's different though.....

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On 5/23/2020 at 6:25 AM, Summer Wheat said:

Michelle Obama? Biden is elderly so we need an experienced person as VP who can step in and actually run the country. Just because you were married to a POTUS does not make you a candidate to be vice POTUS.  I would take any mentioned in the poll before Obama.

I didn't say anything about liking the decision.  But in the world's largest popularity contest turnout is going to be everything and it's what failed the party last election.

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On 5/22/2020 at 12:25 PM, Trey said:

What do we think of Val Demmings? She’s been getting some chatter lately. 

I like her, have since the impeachment hearings. She has law enforcement experience, supports ethics and enforcement, and she just to me has a lot of character. My only issue is she does not have much experience, she's just been a Rep since 2017. She was great in the impeachment hearings and I think she's very effective. She obviously checks electoral identity and favorite daughter boxes and personally I think besides the midwest in general getting urban turnout in big cities in the midwest and Florida is key. 

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On 5/23/2020 at 12:32 PM, Mile High said:

I'm pretty sure I have read on these forums Trump supporters saying they would be fine with our next presidents after Donald  being Ivanka, Don Jr, Eric, and Barron.

But in what order?  Does the Godfather get to choose his own succession?  Which one leaves the gun and takes the connoli?

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I think what is happening in Minnesota takes Klobucher out of the running. I'd think she's a hot potato right now and no one would want to be caught holding her. Minnesota in the last few years has not been kind to the citizens when it comes to police brutality.

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10 minutes ago, Challenge Everything said:

I think what is happening in Minnesota takes Klobucher out of the running. I'd think she's a hot potato right now and no one would want to be caught holding her. Minnesota in the last few years has not been kind to the citizens when it comes to police brutality.

I think its a bit early to see how that affects her chances at this...its not as if she has responsibility over the police force.  How she reacts to it would go a long way.

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8 minutes ago, tonydead said:

 

Biden shakes his head no when asked if it would be a woman of color. Then goes on to say there are many women qualified to be....... president.  

What's the problem here?

The VP should be qualified to be president, considering they are next in line, and the VP often runs for president in the future. And he shook his head because the question was "will it be a woman of color". He has not decided - so no, it may not be a woman of color.

You guys are really grasping here

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6 minutes ago, the moops said:

What's the problem here?

The VP should be qualified to be president, considering they are next in line, and the VP often runs for president in the future. And he shook his head because the question was "will it be a woman of color". He has not decided - so no, it may not be a woman of color.

You guys are really grasping here

And they will get even more desperate as Trump's poll numbers continue to go south in the coming months.

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20 minutes ago, squistion said:

And they will get even more desperate as Trump's poll numbers continue to go south in the coming months.

You ain't seen any projection yet, folks.

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22 hours ago, sho nuff said:

I think its a bit early to see how that affects her chances at this...its not as if she has responsibility over the police force.  How she reacts to it would go a long way.

I assume he is referring to things like this:

Over eight years beginning in 1999, the city of Minneapolis paid $4.8 million in legal settlements related to 122 police misconduct incidents. And police officers and county sheriffs were involved in 29 civilian deaths.

Klobuchar, however, chose not to criminally charge any fatalities involving law enforcement. Instead she routinely put the decision to a grand jury, a process widely criticized for its secrecy and for mostly allowing the police version of events. Klobuchar also didn't take on any of the misconduct claims.

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If it’s a woman of color, the responsible pick is Harris.  She is the only one in the conversation even remotely ready to step into the role.  

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1 hour ago, Cjw_55106 said:

I assume he is referring to things like this:

Over eight years beginning in 1999, the city of Minneapolis paid $4.8 million in legal settlements related to 122 police misconduct incidents. And police officers and county sheriffs were involved in 29 civilian deaths.

Klobuchar, however, chose not to criminally charge any fatalities involving law enforcement. Instead she routinely put the decision to a grand jury, a process widely criticized for its secrecy and for mostly allowing the police version of events. Klobuchar also didn't take on any of the misconduct claims.

I get the criticism there and with failing to ever prosecute one of the current guys in trouble will hurt.  However, I also don't fault people for pushing it off to a Grand Jury...piss off the police union or other things and your political career can die quickly.

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11 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

I get the criticism there and with failing to ever prosecute one of the current guys in trouble will hurt.  However, I also don't fault people for pushing it off to a Grand Jury...piss off the police union or other things and your political career can die quickly.

But you can see how this would/will hurt her chances, correct? 

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5 minutes ago, Cjw_55106 said:

But you can see how this would/will hurt her chances, correct? 

Yes...this information I can...as I said in the post you quoted.

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2 hours ago, Cjw_55106 said:

I assume he is referring to things like this:

Over eight years beginning in 1999, the city of Minneapolis paid $4.8 million in legal settlements related to 122 police misconduct incidents. And police officers and county sheriffs were involved in 29 civilian deaths.

Klobuchar, however, chose not to criminally charge any fatalities involving law enforcement. Instead she routinely put the decision to a grand jury, a process widely criticized for its secrecy and for mostly allowing the police version of events. Klobuchar also didn't take on any of the misconduct claims.

Indeed, despite the claim that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich, it is a way for a prosecutor to avoid responsibility for not bringing an indictment against a police officer and having to deal with the subsequent blow back.

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I voted Harris when this thread started but would like to withdraw that vote and write in Tammy Duckworth. She makes a lot more sense than anyone else in the field, all who have significant negatives and limited upside. Apparently Bob Dole talked her into entering public life while she was recovering at Walter Reed after the Blackhawk she was piloting was shot down by a rocket-propelled grenade in Iraq (which cost both her legs). Plus, she's awesome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tammy_Duckworth#cite_note-63

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In January 2018, following a federal government shut down after the Senate could not agree on a funding bill, Duckworth responded to President Trump's accusations that the Democrats were putting "unlawful immigrants" ahead of the military:

I spent my entire adult life looking out for the well-being, the training, the equipping of the troops for whom I was responsible. Sadly, this is something that the current occupant of the Oval Office does not seem to care to do — and I will not be lectured about what our military needs by a five-deferment draft dodger. And I have a message for Cadet Bone Spurs: If you cared about our military, you'd stop baiting Kim Jong Un into a war that could put 85,000 American troops, and millions of innocent civilians, in danger.

 

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On 5/19/2020 at 7:11 PM, BladeRunner said:

Why is there no option for "None"?

If you wanted a list of "Most Terrible Choices Ever", that might be your list.

Don't even know why Kamela is on that list to begin with. 

Here ya go. https://youtu.be/lgA0fjztqaQ?t=304

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Calls for Amy Klobuchar to resign are trending on Twitter now. 

Biden is going to have to rethink his vp.

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15 hours ago, knowledge dropper said:

If it’s a woman of color, the responsible pick is Harris.  She is the only one in the conversation even remotely ready to step into the role.  

A Trump supporter waxing on about others being unqualified?  LOL

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Well, you can scratch Amy off the list...

https://news.yahoo.com/amy-klobuchar-declined-prosecute-officer-183728902.html

Amy Klobuchar didn't prosecute officer at center of George Floyd's death

George Floyd's death in police custody is renewing criticism of Sen. Amy Klobuchar's (D-Minn.) prosecutorial record.

Before she became a senator and a top contender for former Vice President Joe Biden's vice presidential spot, Klobuchar spent eight years as the Hennepin County attorney, in charge of prosecution for Minneapolis. And while in that position, Klobuchar declined to prosecute multiple police officers cited for excessive force, and did not prosecute the officer who kneeled on Floyd's neck as he protested, The Guardian reports.

Ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin saw at least 10 conduct complaints during his 19-year tenure before he was fired Tuesday, according to a database that documents complaints against police. In particular, he was involved in the shooting death of a man who had stabbed other people before attacking police, as well as some other undisclosed complaints. Klobuchar did not prosecute Chauvin and other officers involved in the first death, which occurred in October 2006 while she was running for Senate. The case was under investigation when Klobuchar took office in the Senate in January 2007, and later went to a grand jury, which declined to charge the officers. Chauvin was later placed on leave when he and other officers shot and wounded a Native American man in 2011.

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I think it'll end being Warren to shore up the liberal base. Bitcofer is pretty clear that trying to peel away Right leaning centrists is a fools errand and 2016 was lost because the Left didn't vote.

 

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I thought Grisham would get more consideration.  I really have no idea who it's going to be.  Certainly curious to see which direction they go.

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On 5/19/2020 at 7:30 PM, Leroy Hoard said:

miss giving out sports locks of the year. 

KH=  🔒

 Starting to look more and more likely.

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4 minutes ago, Rich Conway said:

I thought Grisham would get more consideration.  I really have no idea who it's going to be.  Certainly curious to see which direction they go.

I don't know much about her? How liberal is she?

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On 5/20/2020 at 6:27 PM, Sinn Fein said:

I'd say the front runner is Klobuchar - but she would be very low on my own personal list.

 

But, she seems to be the one least making a public push for the position - either on her own, or by her surrogates.  I figure the louder the public push, the less likely the choice is for the position.

I'd like to reconsider this ...

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48 minutes ago, JbizzleMan said:

I think it'll end being Warren to shore up the liberal base. Bitcofer is pretty clear that trying to peel away Right leaning centrists is a fools errand and 2016 was lost because the Left didn't vote.

It might help a tiny bit but to be honest I'm not sure Warren shores up anyone who wouldn't have voted for Biden otherwise. Things got pretty nasty with Warren and Bernie Bros down the stretch and she backed off a lot of her positions the far left liked when she first started. 

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1 hour ago, Leroy Hoard said:

 Starting to look more and more likely.

I've felt that from the beginning - disclaimer I supported her in the primaries until she dropped out and started the official Kamala Harris Thread!

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6 minutes ago, KiddLattimer said:

It might help a tiny bit but to be honest I'm not sure Warren shores up anyone who wouldn't have voted for Biden otherwise. Things got pretty nasty with Warren and Bernie Bros down the stretch and she backed off a lot of her positions the far left liked when she first started. 

True, but I don't think actual Bernie bros are ever going to vote for anyone other than Bernie. 

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57 minutes ago, JbizzleMan said:

I think it'll end being Warren to shore up the liberal base. Bitcofer is pretty clear that trying to peel away Right leaning centrists is a fools errand and 2016 was lost because the Left didn't vote.

 

I don't think this would be a great idea from an electoral perspective, neither of them are great campaigners and it would be a very low charisma ticket. Policy wise she is probably the best option they would ever consider.

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Just now, JbizzleMan said:

True, but I don't think Bernie bros are ever going to vote for anyone other than Bernie. 

Thats probably true for some.  I would have given a few of them a chance... I liked Tulsi anyway, probably would have voted for Yang and Pete too.  Even though Warren's flip flops and turning her back on the left frustrated me to no end I would have pulled the lever for her too on the chance she found her lefty footing again. Biden specifically is just a really tough sell for me with his track record.

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11 minutes ago, KiddLattimer said:

Thats probably true for some.  I would have given a few of them a chance... I liked Tulsi anyway, probably would have voted for Yang and Pete too.  Even though Warren's flip flops and turning her back on the left frustrated me to no end I would have pulled the lever for her too on the chance she found her lefty footing again. Biden specifically is just a really tough sell for me with his track record.

Not trying to sell you on Biden, but in my mind the most optimistic scenario of Biden winning would be something like Virginia, where even though Northam and others are pretty conservative, they have still been passing some legislation that seems more progressive than they are as a whole.

It could just as easily be more "compromise to a Republican position before negotiations start" as well, which would be a pessimistic scenario.

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Need to save Harris for AG and later for SCOTUS if a seat opens. 

Need to save Obama for SCOTUS. Trump brought up the Supreme Court in his campaign and while I don’t think Biden should bring it up, if it is brought up from the Right, abide  should be ready with a short list with Obama near the top  

Need a younger, more Progressive, on the ticket. Not Warren, and AOC is too young. I’m not sure who might be in that 45-55 age range. 

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I voted for Warren in the MD primary this coming Tuesday specifically to try to influence Biden's choice.  I'm hoping other people are thinking the same way.

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Just now, Challenge Everything said:

Need to save Harris for AG and later for SCOTUS if a seat opens. 

Need to save Obama for SCOTUS. Trump brought up the Supreme Court in his campaign and while I don’t think Biden should bring it up, if it is brought up from the Right, abide  should be ready with a short list with Obama near the top  

Need a younger, more Progressive, on the ticket. Not Warren, and AOC is too young. I’m not sure who might be in that 45-55 age range. 

Katie Porter!!

But I've heard nothing to suggest she's even being considered.

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