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Many teams are in a very good cap situation. I don't know how fans don't understand that using that cap space for an elite player of Revis' caliber is necessary to build a great team. Even people on so called "pro" boards don't get it.
He's nuts. I could see him fetching $45 or $50 mil in guaranteed money, but $60 is crazy coming off knee surgery. There would only be a handful of teams who could realistically even pursue him at that price.
He only needs one team.
The Pats have been to 5 super bowls over the past 10 years. What's the biggest free agent signing they have had? I doubt it is 20% of the number Revis is requesting.The 49ers are one of the (if not the single) best all-around team in the league. How many massive free agent signings have they done in the past five years?
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How about a more recent example of a SB winning team. The Giants basically gave the world (in picks & salary) to get Eli (an unproven rookie). By your logic, they should have have been frugal and stayed put. Instead, this storied franchise paid to get the guy that got them two trophies. Fact is teams need free agents and solid drafts to compete. GMs know that, which is why some team will pay to have Revis as a franchise player.'meyerj31 said:
You're obviously the one who doesn't get it.You're the guy in my keeper league who kept Jamaal Charles at $65 this past offseason when he could have re-drafted him for less, aren't you?'LuckyOne said:
It's all about getting a competitive advantage in the Salary Cap era, and paying top dollar/full value for a stud CB is only going to help so much. Most teams recognize that there's far better value and benefit for their team if they can buy low or draft a cheap rookie who can do almost as well as Revis.By your logic, Revis should cost teams 3+ 1st round picks because you're only looking at talent. Hint hint...the Jets would be asking for far less than that because they realize there's little or no value in trading for Revis and the mammoth contract he'll tie his new team into for years after coming off major surgery.This isn't Baseball, guy.
Yes. Oh wait, you know Eli is a qb. Do you have anything to add to the discussion?
You have some fact checking to do.
Sure...worked out well.But...then again, how many titles has it won them?They got "semi" close one time.
As does his constantly wanting more money.
It got them a lot further than drafting Derrick Morgan. I think it is ignorant to measure every team move in SB titles.
some team should give up their first so revis can play there for one year?
this is the only relevant comparison so far -- so congrats on that.minny has won one playoff game in the 5 years since that trade.
Isn't the no-franchise clause only for the Jets?So 3 million cap hit this year for a team other then the Jets.And the franchise tag for a CB is about 10.5 million for 2013.
I wouldn't have any idea, but I'd guess the contract applies to any team he's on, and what's to stop him from sitting out most of next year?(from rotoworld)
Definitely wasn't a good trade. KC is doing much better with the Vikings draft picks. Moreover, Denver shouldn't have traded Tim Tebow since they haven't won a playoff game without him.
haha....funny, but completely irrelevant.
Vikings traded for a player that hasn't missed a game in 5 years and has 74 sacks in 80 games but only Super Bowl wins matter. Right?
Not good, as the entire team imploded. Coach, assistants, quarterbacks, defense.Look at where Babin ended up (cut after a big payday and big season) and the death of productivity from him and Trent Cole.
In return, the Chiefs drafted Brandon Albert, Jamaal Charles and DaJuan Morgan. I'd call the trade win-win.
playoff wins are not bad --- how many did they produce in the last 5 years?
Once while negotiating his rookie contract (the big issue was number of years. I believe the Jets wanted more) and then the big holdout before the 2010 season. He also hinted about it before this season, but didn't.for me the first hold out means nothing. Before the days of the rookie cap, tons of guys held out. The 2010 holdout was pretty lame, but only because he had 3 full years left on his deal. If he had waited another year (easy for me to say since its not my body on the line) I think the court of public opinion would have been a little more in his favor.
Sure...but the discussion was about what the great teams have done to improve and how rarely its because of a big free agent signing.So I think the team's success is very much relevant to the discussion when talking about if it was worth the signing.
man if the Chiefs could only firgure out how to pick with their non-vikings draft picks
You should remember what Reggie White signing did for the Packers organization. http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=1953661
No regrets on the Jared Allen deal either. I know that the Vikings organization didn't have all the other pieces in place to win consistently but he was worth the price we paid.
which side of this are you arguing, or are you just arguing to argue?some guy, earlier in this thread, voiced the opinion that signing these guys to monster contracts is not a good way to build a team as it makes it difficult to get the other pieces in place due to the salary cap (see also: new york jets).'Donnybrook said:
Well...the conversation again was about working in such signings with the cap.The Cap started in 1994.'Donnybrook said:
I neither kept Charles and any league or play in any league you are in. Also, we're discussing real football not fantasy.Teams constantly rework contracts to keep their best players. Trading for a player is no different with the exception of the picks added. As long as the value of the player exceeds the contract cost and the pick(s), the team should make the trade. It's likely the team trading for Revis will either trade a low pick or rework the contract as part of the trade to make the value of having Revis exceed what they give to get him. BTW, it's highly unlikely that any rookie CB is going to perform nearly as well as Revis. ACL tears aren't what they were even a few years ago. Medicine in many areas is advancing at a termendous pace. Try to keep up.I simply missed that we were talking about football not baseball. You are very quick witted. How do you do that?You're obviously the one who doesn't get it.You're the guy in my keeper league who kept Jamaal Charles at $65 this past offseason when he could have re-drafted him for less, aren't you?
-QG
