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✍ Knowshon Moreno to season ending IR. (1 Viewer)
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althepostman
Footballguy
Moreno has been A Top ten RB In FF since he got the Starting Job with Peyton. If The Broncos Resign Him It Would Be Unwise to Not Consider him As Such.
The Broncos had 10 mil before the Sanders signing. So, I'm going to go with about $5 mil, but they have some players that can be cut (Dressen and Tamme) to get about another $5 mil.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
You don't need a lot of money to sign draft classes. I don't know the exact formula but all the money they sign rookies for doesn't go against the cap number. It is weird and I don't fully understand it.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
tuck that tail inbetween your legs and go back
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
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I don't think Denver wants him back, they are wanting to move forward with ball, cj and hillman
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
NYJ as passing down back and tandem back with Ivory.
Miami
Maybe St. Louis in a similar role to what I stated for the Jets.
Oakland - DMC hasn't stayed healthy.
az_prof
Footballguy
This all makes sense. Where ever he goes at this point he is going to be part of a RBBC. I think he makes most sense in NYJ--replacing Powell in the third down and passing role.
I have not heard a single press release which is really odd for a guy who went for 1,500 yards and 11 Touchdowns last season. Granted he played in the Highest Scoring Offense of all time but he was the Running Back who did most of the pass blocking for Peyton; you'd think that alone would garner interest.
I haven't heard him even get a visit yet Rashad Jennings, Toby Gerhart, and Ben Tate were all scooped up? Something doesn't make sense here, you've got to think there's a deal with Denver in the works; no way nobody wanted to bring this guy in. I mean, but I don't understand how Denver would shell out five-million a year for Sanders who never even visited them and not have something setup for Moreno.
I feel like Moreno wants to stay in Denver but has very little leverage from a financial standpoint. I get that you've got Montee Ball but how often do we see Running Backs drop like flies in the NFL? Ronnie Hillman is an afterthought; I do think CJ Anderson has talent but Moreno is the best fit of all the backs for this Offense.
I haven't heard him even get a visit yet Rashad Jennings, Toby Gerhart, and Ben Tate were all scooped up? Something doesn't make sense here, you've got to think there's a deal with Denver in the works; no way nobody wanted to bring this guy in. I mean, but I don't understand how Denver would shell out five-million a year for Sanders who never even visited them and not have something setup for Moreno.
I feel like Moreno wants to stay in Denver but has very little leverage from a financial standpoint. I get that you've got Montee Ball but how often do we see Running Backs drop like flies in the NFL? Ronnie Hillman is an afterthought; I do think CJ Anderson has talent but Moreno is the best fit of all the backs for this Offense.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Dallas would make perfect sense...insurance against Murray, extra blocker for Romo, 4th best O-line in 2013.( profootballfocus.com)
you put Moreno behind that line, he'll be a stud, and he's much better than any other RB on that Cowboys roster..
you put Moreno behind that line, he'll be a stud, and he's much better than any other RB on that Cowboys roster..
zamboni
Footballguy
That's what surprises me as well. In today's pass-friendly offense, you'd think that a guy who is widely recognized as a strong pass blocker would gather some interest. And he's a pretty decent receiver and runner to boot.
Right or wrong, some guys are clearly viewed as mere products of a good system. Not unlike Tate in Houston, when only Cleveland seemed interested and it's not like they threw a ton of money at him.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Arizona
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Interesting that some FFers seem to view Moreno as a bonafide RB1 while the NFL seems to differ.
There's a lot to be gained from a RB who runs effectively between the tackles. He moves the chains more, keeps a team out of 3rd and long situations, reduces pass rush by keeping the LBs and DEs honest, and sets up play action.
Moreno's weakness is running between the tackles, and it's not a little weakness - he's just not good at it and appears not to like it.
I also get the feeling that like FFers, Moreno sees himself as a RB1 and wants to get paid like one, while the NFL sees him a CoP who had to be paired with a guy who gets yards inside and can pick up the short yardage situations. I don't know that for sure, but it would explain the movement of what are perceived by FFers as lesser backs for decent money while Moreno is getting passed over.
There's a lot to be gained from a RB who runs effectively between the tackles. He moves the chains more, keeps a team out of 3rd and long situations, reduces pass rush by keeping the LBs and DEs honest, and sets up play action.
Moreno's weakness is running between the tackles, and it's not a little weakness - he's just not good at it and appears not to like it.
I also get the feeling that like FFers, Moreno sees himself as a RB1 and wants to get paid like one, while the NFL sees him a CoP who had to be paired with a guy who gets yards inside and can pick up the short yardage situations. I don't know that for sure, but it would explain the movement of what are perceived by FFers as lesser backs for decent money while Moreno is getting passed over.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't know...I'm not that surprised. He's not very good, he was just the best amongst a group of flawed, bad RBs. They were looking for someone that was stable and he was it. The numbers are meaningless because every knows that anyone that could hold onto the ball would be successful behind that historical offense.
duaneok66
Footballguy
I disagree with part of your statement.
As the way it looks now, Moreno won't be the workhorse for anyone - so I'd rather see him split in Denver than split somewhere else.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't know...if Ball fumbles a few times do we know that Moreno wouldn't be front and center? He was a complete after thought a year ago and he became a fantasy stud. If he's in the mix I don't know how you can discount him.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
That's not exactly true. There are places that come opening day he could have the requisite touches needed.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Disagree. PPR, position lifespan, rotating backfields, revised defensive rules and passing for 5K yards have dropped the RB at/below the new breed of TEs.
duaneok66
Footballguy
I don't think I am. I am a big Moreno fan - but the silence the last week speaks volumes. He still has a chance to lead in Denver, but right now it looks like (at best) if he goes back there he is splitting. Again, I am good with that.
Gandalf
Footballguy
I think it might speak more to the devaluing that has occurred with RBs. Teams just don't need to sign anyone to a contract that might hurt the team in any way. Be it money or potential cap hit down the road. I think this has caused teams to decrease it's investment in one RB. Instead they are diversifying into RBBCs except when they know they have a cowbell... ADP, Charles, McCoy. Though even there we are one injury or concussion away from that changing. RBs just don't hold up in today's NFL so why invest anything in them. Then at the same time the league favors protecting QBs and calling pass interference all the time. It's a passing league now.
All this means RB free agents are not going to get the $ they think they will. There's just no market for any if them really.
All this means RB free agents are not going to get the $ they think they will. There's just no market for any if them really.
az_prof
Footballguy
Actually, RBs hold up longer today than ever because of improvements in ACL surgery. It used to be that a guy had a knee injury and his career was over--not so anymore. I think what has changed is that the depth of quality is deeper and teams see that they can plug in a third or fourth round pick or even an unsigned FA rookie and often get comparable production. The position has diversified too--so that teams have a pass specialist and a short yardage specialist and not too many players are used on every down anymore. This has devalued the position.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
purestrength
Footballguy
Regardless of what people think of Moreno's talent level (I think it's better than many give him credit for), I'm feeling sick to my stomach about this lack of attention from NFL teams (including his own Broncos). Is this his reward for playing so hard this past season?
Gandalf
Footballguy
RBs return from ACL tears faster but are they getting more of them then in the olden days? I don't know but seems like, yes without having any actual evidence or data to back that up. I think the game is more dangerous now for RBs vs 15 years ago. You have people like Clowney who are built like a mountain and run like a cheetah. It's crazy the kind of force that they can generate.Regardless, RB seems to be going the way of the FB.
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
at this point, his best bet for a decent payday and starting job is to wait for a TC / pre-season injury. An RB or 2 always seem to go down right before the season starts.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
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KellysHeroes
Footballguy
Broncos coach John Fox stated on ESPN's NFL Insiders Monday that Denver is "definitely" open to re-signing free agent Knowshon Moreno.
This has become more and more clear as free agency has progressed. The Dolphins are the only team to have shown interest in Moreno to this point, and he left his Miami visit without a deal. Moreno stated publicly in February that his preference is to re-sign with Denver. As other NFL teams do not envision Moreno as a starting-caliber talent, the Broncos remain his ideal landing spot. He'd get another chance to hold off 2013 second-round pick Montee Ball for carries.
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GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Oh i get it... You have a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell
I do agree with your point and the number of cowbells continues to dwindle each year... Puts a larger onus on finding guys who can be productive with fewer touches out of the backfield. I believe (for the most part) the days of 1 RB averaging 25 touches a game are almost over. Some may average 18 - 22 touches but even those rare RBs are dinosaurs in this evolving passing league.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
TheFanatic
Footballguy
That seems to be the prevailing sentiment around the league/message boards/etc. There's only one tiny problem with it. Denver is the proto-type of the new theory of how football is evolving. Seattle is the old way. And Seattle completely dominated Denver in the Super Bowl.Oh i get it... You have a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell
I do agree with your point and the number of cowbells continues to dwindle each year... Puts a larger onus on finding guys who can be productive with fewer touches out of the backfield. I believe (for the most part) the days of 1 RB averaging 25 touches a game are almost over. Some may average 18 - 22 touches but even those rare RBs are dinosaurs in this evolving passing league.
purestrength
Footballguy
Broncos will be sorry they let Knowshon go.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Depends on how much money Miami gave him, but if it's a cheap deal, I think it's likely they regret it also. Ball is probably a better runner, but the Broncos will miss Moreno as a blocker and a WR.
Moreno leaves a record setting, historic offense for one that was in the bottom half of the league last year, and has huge question marks centering around the offensive line?
Even as the lead back in the Dolphins RBBC situation, this is how I am feeling about Moreno's fantasy value:
:X
Even as the lead back in the Dolphins RBBC situation, this is how I am feeling about Moreno's fantasy value:
:X
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