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✦✦✦Official 2014 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (1 Viewer)

I like getting Lance Moore, dont love it. He strikes me as a prime example of a WR who was elevated by having a great QB, ie Meachem, Greg Jennings, Deion Branch, etc. Not that Roeth is a slouch or anything, but he doesnt get the protection Brees does either. As long as Moore can stay healthy though, he should make Cotchery easy to forget.

 
Catching up on twitter. Colbert says Cam Thomas was signed more for DE, Harrison still a possibility, Tomlin likes MJD, LeGarrette Blount coming in for a visit but delayed a day so Tomlin and Colbert can get back from meetings in Orlando.

Moats would be a good depth (at least) addition.

 
Now it's official. One year at vet min which means Harrison is out of the picture. Getting younger on D.

 
3C said:
Now it's official. One year at vet min which means Harrison is out of the picture.
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Just makes way more sense. Most time you really need those backup LBs able to play on teams. Harrison, frankly, would never be able to do that at this stage of his career. Moats gives them that, plus being able to backup multiple spots, for the same price.

 
Kenny Powers said:
Know nothing about this Moats guy but if everyone else likes him, why not :towelwave:
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Great addition for kick coverages. Very good backup for both inside and outside linebacker. Could start if needed. Obviously wouldn't start over 3 of the 4 starting LB's and hopefully the 4th (still holding out hope on Spence) will make big strides this year.

 
Memphis Foundry said:
Compensatory picks announced:

The Steelers will receive a third-round pick, the 97th pick overall in the draft; a fifth-round pick, the 173rd pick overall; and a sixth-round pick, the 215th pick overall.
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More Info: http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Steelers-receive-3-compensatory-picks/db0ecf7d-cd5c-47ec-9f04-3742ec0ed0f7
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This is a great haul. Top pick amongst compensatory picks. The only unfortunate thing is the Ravens are the only team that got a better package of picks than us. On the plus side we're getting a pick for a retired Mendenhall.

 
If you were Colbert and Anthony Barr somehow fell to 15 would you take him? Say Gilbert, Evans and Barr are there.

He's one of the official visits to the Steelers.

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Wheezer34 said:
Carrington signed with the Rams today.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000336890/article/alex-carrington-st-louis-rams-agree-to-deal
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"OK Agent, I'm leaving a team that hasn't had a winning record since 2004. I fear change. Can you get me on the ####tiest team in the NFC? TIA"
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:unsure: The Rams are exactly 1.5 games worse than the Steelers over the last 2 years, and they play in a division that has a .645 winning percentage over those two years, while the Steelers have played in a division that has a .500 winning percentage over those 2 years. One could make the argument that St. Louis is the better team right now, but even if you disagree with that, it's ludicrous to suggest that they are substantially inferior to the Steelers.

I understand that we are frustrated that we missed out on this player, but we have to face facts:

1-The Steelers aren't one of the top teams right now. They are an average to below-average team.

2-The Steelers don't have a lot of money to spend.

When you couple those two things, it is going to be hard to land top-tier FAs. They won't get top dollar with Pittsburgh, and they can't rationalize joining the team as sacrificing money to try to get a ring.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
Drunken Cowboy said:
Idiot Boxer said:
3C said:
If you were Colbert and Anthony Barr somehow fell to 15 would you take him? Say Gilbert, Evans and Barr are there.

He's one of the official visits to the Steelers.
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Of those three, I hope they pick him 3rd.
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Don't see this. Would you let Worilds walk after this season?
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I read his post as saying with only those 3 options, he is last (3rd).
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Same way I read it. Barr is BPA of the 3 but doesn't fit a need...maybe. Evans and Gilbert are a much higher need....but. What if Jones is a bust? What if Worilds can't stay healthy? What if Barr then goes to the Ravens and he puts up multiple double digit sack years? A lot of what ifs but too many times I've seen posts where someone laments a "wasted" pick several years later.

Okay, a changeup (but would like others opinions on the first scenario). What if Dennard, Gilbert and Evans are gone, and Barr is there? It's Barr or guys like Ebron, Nix, Clinton-Dix or Beckham Jr. Barr still not a position of need but seemingly much better BPA.

 
3C said:
BigSteelThrill said:
Drunken Cowboy said:
Idiot Boxer said:
3C said:
If you were Colbert and Anthony Barr somehow fell to 15 would you take him? Say Gilbert, Evans and Barr are there.

He's one of the official visits to the Steelers.
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Of those three, I hope they pick him 3rd.
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Don't see this. Would you let Worilds walk after this season?
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I read his post as saying with only those 3 options, he is last (3rd).
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Same way I read it. Barr is BPA of the 3 but doesn't fit a need...maybe. Evans and Gilbert are a much higher need....but. What if Jones is a bust? What if Worilds can't stay healthy? What if Barr then goes to the Ravens and he puts up multiple double digit sack years? A lot of what ifs but too many times I've seen posts where someone laments a "wasted" pick several years later.

Okay, a changeup (but would like others opinions on the first scenario). What if Dennard, Gilbert and Evans are gone, and Barr is there? It's Barr or guys like Ebron, Nix, Clinton-Dix or Beckham Jr. Barr still not a position of need but seemingly much better BPA.
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But they would have to have already determined that Jones is a bust.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
3C said:
BigSteelThrill said:
Drunken Cowboy said:
Idiot Boxer said:
3C said:
If you were Colbert and Anthony Barr somehow fell to 15 would you take him? Say Gilbert, Evans and Barr are there.

He's one of the official visits to the Steelers.
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Of those three, I hope they pick him 3rd.
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Don't see this. Would you let Worilds walk after this season?
Click to expand...
I read his post as saying with only those 3 options, he is last (3rd).
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Same way I read it. Barr is BPA of the 3 but doesn't fit a need...maybe. Evans and Gilbert are a much higher need....but. What if Jones is a bust? What if Worilds can't stay healthy? What if Barr then goes to the Ravens and he puts up multiple double digit sack years? A lot of what ifs but too many times I've seen posts where someone laments a "wasted" pick several years later.

Okay, a changeup (but would like others opinions on the first scenario). What if Dennard, Gilbert and Evans are gone, and Barr is there? It's Barr or guys like Ebron, Nix, Clinton-Dix or Beckham Jr. Barr still not a position of need but seemingly much better BPA.
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But they would have to have already determined that Jones is a bust.
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That's more a future hindsight thing.

If they're really going to draft BPA and Barr is the BPA, should they take him? Is he better than Evans and if so do they take him? I think he's better than any of the players in the second scenario.

 
3C said:
BigSteelThrill said:
3C said:
BigSteelThrill said:
Drunken Cowboy said:
Idiot Boxer said:
3C said:
If you were Colbert and Anthony Barr somehow fell to 15 would you take him? Say Gilbert, Evans and Barr are there.

He's one of the official visits to the Steelers.
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Of those three, I hope they pick him 3rd.
Click to expand...
Don't see this. Would you let Worilds walk after this season?
Click to expand...
I read his post as saying with only those 3 options, he is last (3rd).
Click to expand...
Same way I read it. Barr is BPA of the 3 but doesn't fit a need...maybe. Evans and Gilbert are a much higher need....but. What if Jones is a bust? What if Worilds can't stay healthy? What if Barr then goes to the Ravens and he puts up multiple double digit sack years? A lot of what ifs but too many times I've seen posts where someone laments a "wasted" pick several years later.

Okay, a changeup (but would like others opinions on the first scenario). What if Dennard, Gilbert and Evans are gone, and Barr is there? It's Barr or guys like Ebron, Nix, Clinton-Dix or Beckham Jr. Barr still not a position of need but seemingly much better BPA.
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But they would have to have already determined that Jones is a bust.
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That's more a future hindsight thing.

If they're really going to draft BPA and Barr is the BPA, should they take him? Is he better than Evans and if so do they take him? I think he's better than any of the players in the second scenario.
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You dont draft BPA in a vacuum. Never.

 
By Ed Bouchette / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

If the Steelers want to sign free-agent halfbacks LeGarrette Blount or Maurice Jones-Drew, they may have to create more salary-cap room to do so. As of Wednesday, the Steelers’ salary-cap room had dipped to $1,051,934, about half of what it was a day earlier. Those are figures reported by the NFL Players Association after the official signings Tuesday of two other free agents, wide receiver Lance Moore and linebacker Arthur Moats.

Blount, who played in 2013 for the New England Patriots, is scheduled to visit with coach Mike Tomlin and others tonight and Friday in Pittsburgh. He ran for 772 yards, seven touchdowns and a 5-yard average per carry with the Patriots. He played his first three NFL seasons with Tampa Bay. Blount took a pay cut last year with the Patriots after they acquired him in a trade. He was supposed to make $1.75 million in Tampa Bay but agreed to reduce that to $680,000 to play one year in New England, then become a free agent. The Patriots and Baltimore Ravens also are reportedly interested in him, and he is expected to earn more than what he did last season.

Tomlin expressed optimism at the NFL meetings this week in Orlando, Fla., that the Steelers would sign a veteran running back. Jones-Drew visited the Steelers last week and remains a free agent. Whoever they sign will back up Le’Veon Bell.

The Steelers could clear as much as $3.8 million more in salary-cap room if they restructure the contract of linebacker Lawrence Timmons, whose 2014 salary is $6,750,000 and is signed through 2016. According to the NFLPA, the Steelers have the least amount of salary-cap room of any NFL team and their lowest since the NFL calendar year began March 11. Next lowest is Detroit with almost $2 million. The Cleveland Browns have the most room with more than $31 million, the New York Jets have more than $28 million and the Cincinnati Bengals are third with more than $26 million.
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Legarette Blount visits the Steelers today, my expectation is that he is signed at some point and that Lawrence Timmons gets a contract restructure to make more room.

 
The Hank said:
Legarette Blount visits the Steelers today, my expectation is that he is signed at some point and that Lawrence Timmons gets a contract restructure to make more room.
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May not have to. He played last year for less than $700k. I realize his TB contract was much higher but that was an overinflated contract. He might have been given the "take less or we'll release you" option. Doesn't seem like he's highly sought after. I think he takes $800-900K and signs today, pending a physical. If they offer him more than $1M I'd be shocked.

 
3C said:
The Hank said:
Legarette Blount visits the Steelers today, my expectation is that he is signed at some point and that Lawrence Timmons gets a contract restructure to make more room.
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May not have to. He played last year for less than $700k. I realize his TB contract was much higher but that was an overinflated contract. He might have been given the "take less or we'll release you" option. Doesn't seem like he's highly sought after. I think he takes $800-900K and signs today, pending a physical. If they offer him more than $1M I'd be shocked.
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This is both inaccurate and unrealistic.

Blount took a significant pay cut last year to play with NE, in order to get to show what he can do, then he had some huge games at the end of last year, showing that he has NFL value.

The Ravens, Steelers and Pats are all said to by vying for his services.

The Pats were expected to offer him, at best a 2-year, $2M contract.

He will be a backup on all 3 teams, and the Steelers have a young RB who they've shown is "their guy." In Baltimore, they've got a RB who is facing legal issues, has seriously declined the last 2 years, while in NE, they've shown very little patience with Ridley & his fumbling.

The expectation that he will sign for barely more than the minimum salary ($730K for a 5th year player) seems doubtful, especially signing such an insignificant contract within 1 day, when he could likely get, at worst, the same type of contract with a better team (the Pats) where he might have the ability to outright win the job, rather than having to be injury insurance.

 
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Bayhawks said:
3C said:
The Hank said:
Legarette Blount visits the Steelers today, my expectation is that he is signed at some point and that Lawrence Timmons gets a contract restructure to make more room.
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May not have to. He played last year for less than $700k. I realize his TB contract was much higher but that was an overinflated contract. He might have been given the "take less or we'll release you" option. Doesn't seem like he's highly sought after. I think he takes $800-900K and signs today, pending a physical. If they offer him more than $1M I'd be shocked.
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This is both inaccurate and unrealistic.

Blount took a significant pay cut last year to play with NE, in order to get to show what he can do, then he had some huge games at the end of last year, showing that he has NFL value.

The Ravens, Steelers and Pats are all said to by vying for his services.

The Pats were expected to offer him, at best a 2-year, $2M contract.

He will be a backup on all 3 teams, and the Steelers have a young RB who they've shown is "their guy." In Baltimore, they've got a RB who is facing legal issues, has seriously declined the last 2 years, while in NE, they've shown very little patience with Ridley & his fumbling.

The expectation that he will sign for barely more than the minimum salary ($730K for a 5th year player) seems doubtful, especially signing such an insignificant contract within 1 day, when he could likely get, at worst, the same type of contract with a better team (the Pats) where he might have the ability to outright win the job, rather than having to be injury insurance.
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Guess we'll just have to wait and see. He's just not going to command more than $1M/yr. He's not a hot commodity and none of the 3 have a lot of cash to throw his way, though the Pats and Ravens do have more available. The Pats certainly aren't going to pay him much. The Ravens are looking for a backup qb so that will eat up some of their cap if they sign one.

 
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