Then you take him.CONAN said:Pretty standard scoring 12-team redraft.
I figure on Gore or maybe Alexander. But what if LJ slips?
On a related note, the turn at 2.09 to 3.04 look decent as well. Could land a couple of top-tier WRs or you got James and Benson as RB2.
I think this is the best plan in most formats. Although, I might prefer Gates to TO in the 3rd, if available.FWIW, a mock from the 4 hole yielded:1: Gore, Frank (RB)2: Wayne, Reggie (WR)3: Gates, Antonio (TE)4: Williams, DeAngelo (RB)5: Green, Ahman (RB)6: Brown, Chris (RB)7: Barber, Marion (RB)8: White, LenDale (RB)9: Coles, Laveranues (WR)10: Manning, Eli (QB)11: Roethlisberger, Ben (QB)12: Scheffler, Tony (TE)13: Gould, Robbie (K)14: Leonard, Brian (RB)15: Williamson, Troy (WR)Might have gone too RB heavy in rounds 4-8, but overall, this is a pretty strong team, without going RB-RB-RB first 3 rounds.One thing to consider, if you're not liking the RBs available at the top of the 2nd, many owners will start going WR heavy and drafting QB/TE, leaving about the same quality at RB available in the 4th.Darfting third, I just started with Johnson, SSmith, and T.O. in a standard scoring league. At 2.10, there were already 19 RB taken and I was not in love with the RB that were still on the board. I generally am less concerned about picking up RB2s and RB3 than most, so if you like to hoard RB you'll have to do it with guys with question marks. There will be no shortage of top flight receivers to consider in the 2nd and 3rd.
I am sorry to say, but I don't like that team at all. Gore is a great RB1, but then you will be playing musical RB2's all season, hoping you pick the right one each week. Wayne is a nice WR1, and Coles was a decent WR2 pick in the 9th, but Williamson as your WR3? Ouch, where is your depth? Also, you didn't manage to land a top flight QB either, and will be playing QB matchup with 2 mediocre guys.I think this is the best plan in most formats. Although, I might prefer Gates to TO in the 3rd, if available.FWIW, a mock from the 4 hole yielded:1: Gore, Frank (RB)2: Wayne, Reggie (WR)3: Gates, Antonio (TE)4: Williams, DeAngelo (RB)5: Green, Ahman (RB)6: Brown, Chris (RB)7: Barber, Marion (RB)8: White, LenDale (RB)9: Coles, Laveranues (WR)10: Manning, Eli (QB)11: Roethlisberger, Ben (QB)12: Scheffler, Tony (TE)13: Gould, Robbie (K)14: Leonard, Brian (RB)15: Williamson, Troy (WR)Might have gone too RB heavy in rounds 4-8, but overall, this is a pretty strong team, without going RB-RB-RB first 3 rounds.One thing to consider, if you're not liking the RBs available at the top of the 2nd, many owners will start going WR heavy and drafting QB/TE, leaving about the same quality at RB available in the 4th.Darfting third, I just started with Johnson, SSmith, and T.O. in a standard scoring league. At 2.10, there were already 19 RB taken and I was not in love with the RB that were still on the board. I generally am less concerned about picking up RB2s and RB3 than most, so if you like to hoard RB you'll have to do it with guys with question marks. There will be no shortage of top flight receivers to consider in the 2nd and 3rd.
I'm picking #2 in a redraft and I'm also almost certainly going to go RB-WR-WR. I'm thinking SJax-Marvin-Holt. Or maybe SJax-Marvin-Moss.Drafting third, I just started with Johnson, SSmith, and T.O. in a standard scoring league. At 2.10, there were already 19 RB taken and I was not in love with the RB that were still on the board. I generally am less concerned about picking up RB2s and RB3 than most, so if you like to hoard RB you'll have to do it with guys with question marks. There will be no shortage of top flight receivers to consider in the 2nd and 3rd.
No musical RB2 here. The settings included a flex RB/WR, so I'm rolling with Gore, DWill and Ahman Green starting. If DW isn't doing as well as I think he will, Chris Brown or MB3 will be fine. Plus, I firmly believe at least one of these will be tradeable for a better WR than I could have had at that pick. I disagree completely on Ben/Eli being mediocre this year. Eli is a risk, but he'll have to throw a lot this year. I think he'll step up. FWIW though, I actually like Ben more this year. If you look at the schedules, the combo is a nice QBBC with substantial upside. At rounds 10/11, you won't find any better. Are you actually saying you NEED a top flight QB to win? I'd rather have these two. But that's why we play the game.I went ahead and rerun the sim with "lessons learned", the only changes I made were:12: Scheffler, Tony (TE) --> Clayton, Michael (WR)13: Gould, Robbie (K) --> Muhammad, Muhsin (WR)So the lineup is:QB: Ben/Eli QBBCRB1: Gore (Brown, MB3, White)RB2: DWilliamsWR: Wayne (Moose, Mi. Clayton, Williamson)WR2: ColesTE: GatesFlex: Ahman GreenThe point is, you can have a good team from the 4 spot without going RB, RB, RB.I am sorry to say, but I don't like that team at all. Gore is a great RB1, but then you will be playing musical RB2's all season, hoping you pick the right one each week. Wayne is a nice WR1, and Coles was a decent WR2 pick in the 9th, but Williamson as your WR3? Ouch, where is your depth? Also, you didn't manage to land a top flight QB either, and will be playing QB matchup with 2 mediocre guys.I think this is the best plan in most formats. Although, I might prefer Gates to TO in the 3rd, if available.FWIW, a mock from the 4 hole yielded:1: Gore, Frank (RB)2: Wayne, Reggie (WR)3: Gates, Antonio (TE)4: Williams, DeAngelo (RB)5: Green, Ahman (RB)6: Brown, Chris (RB) 7: Barber, Marion (RB)8: White, LenDale (RB)9: Coles, Laveranues (WR)10: Manning, Eli (QB)11: Roethlisberger, Ben (QB)12: Scheffler, Tony (TE)13: Gould, Robbie (K)14: Leonard, Brian (RB)15: Williamson, Troy (WR)Might have gone too RB heavy in rounds 4-8, but overall, this is a pretty strong team, without going RB-RB-RB first 3 rounds.One thing to consider, if you're not liking the RBs available at the top of the 2nd, many owners will start going WR heavy and drafting QB/TE, leaving about the same quality at RB available in the 4th.Darfting third, I just started with Johnson, SSmith, and T.O. in a standard scoring league. At 2.10, there were already 19 RB taken and I was not in love with the RB that were still on the board. I generally am less concerned about picking up RB2s and RB3 than most, so if you like to hoard RB you'll have to do it with guys with question marks. There will be no shortage of top flight receivers to consider in the 2nd and 3rd.
That team would get killed.No musical RB2 here. The settings included a flex RB/WR, so I'm rolling with Gore, DWill and Ahman Green starting. If DW isn't doing as well as I think he will, Chris Brown or MB3 will be fine. Plus, I firmly believe at least one of these will be tradeable for a better WR than I could have had at that pick. I disagree completely on Ben/Eli being mediocre this year. Eli is a risk, but he'll have to throw a lot this year. I think he'll step up. FWIW though, I actually like Ben more this year. If you look at the schedules, the combo is a nice QBBC with substantial upside. At rounds 10/11, you won't find any better. Are you actually saying you NEED a top flight QB to win? I'd rather have these two. But that's why we play the game.I went ahead and rerun the sim with "lessons learned", the only changes I made were:12: Scheffler, Tony (TE) --> Clayton, Michael (WR)13: Gould, Robbie (K) --> Muhammad, Muhsin (WR)So the lineup is:QB: Ben/Eli QBBCRB1: Gore (Brown, MB3, White)RB2: DWilliamsWR: Wayne (Moose, Mi. Clayton, Williamson)WR2: ColesTE: GatesFlex: Ahman GreenThe point is, you can have a good team from the 4 spot without going RB, RB, RB.I am sorry to say, but I don't like that team at all. Gore is a great RB1, but then you will be playing musical RB2's all season, hoping you pick the right one each week. Wayne is a nice WR1, and Coles was a decent WR2 pick in the 9th, but Williamson as your WR3? Ouch, where is your depth? Also, you didn't manage to land a top flight QB either, and will be playing QB matchup with 2 mediocre guys.I think this is the best plan in most formats. Although, I might prefer Gates to TO in the 3rd, if available.FWIW, a mock from the 4 hole yielded:1: Gore, Frank (RB)2: Wayne, Reggie (WR)3: Gates, Antonio (TE)4: Williams, DeAngelo (RB)5: Green, Ahman (RB)6: Brown, Chris (RB) 7: Barber, Marion (RB)8: White, LenDale (RB)9: Coles, Laveranues (WR)10: Manning, Eli (QB)11: Roethlisberger, Ben (QB)12: Scheffler, Tony (TE)13: Gould, Robbie (K)14: Leonard, Brian (RB)15: Williamson, Troy (WR)Might have gone too RB heavy in rounds 4-8, but overall, this is a pretty strong team, without going RB-RB-RB first 3 rounds.One thing to consider, if you're not liking the RBs available at the top of the 2nd, many owners will start going WR heavy and drafting QB/TE, leaving about the same quality at RB available in the 4th.Darfting third, I just started with Johnson, SSmith, and T.O. in a standard scoring league. At 2.10, there were already 19 RB taken and I was not in love with the RB that were still on the board. I generally am less concerned about picking up RB2s and RB3 than most, so if you like to hoard RB you'll have to do it with guys with question marks. There will be no shortage of top flight receivers to consider in the 2nd and 3rd.
We'll see if your falling for groupthink works. Care to show me one better? (with a legit draft or sim)That team would get killed.
I'd love to end up with a team like this. Ignore the hate. Gore is a stud, RB1. Green will be a very capable RB2 in Hou at worst IMO. Williams offers the potential to break out as a RB1, as does Barber. White should start and be a playable RB2. I don't care if you call it musical RBs or not, thats a great group to have if you ask me. WR is pretty strong with Wayne as a #1 but after that it gets a bit thin. You have the best TE in football to help make up for the weaker WRs. Roethlisberger will easily be in the top 10 this year IMO.I think this is the best plan in most formats. Although, I might prefer Gates to TO in the 3rd, if available.FWIW, a mock from the 4 hole yielded:1: Gore, Frank (RB)2: Wayne, Reggie (WR)3: Gates, Antonio (TE)4: Williams, DeAngelo (RB)5: Green, Ahman (RB)6: Brown, Chris (RB)7: Barber, Marion (RB)8: White, LenDale (RB)9: Coles, Laveranues (WR)10: Manning, Eli (QB)11: Roethlisberger, Ben (QB)12: Scheffler, Tony (TE)13: Gould, Robbie (K)14: Leonard, Brian (RB)15: Williamson, Troy (WR)Might have gone too RB heavy in rounds 4-8, but overall, this is a pretty strong team, without going RB-RB-RB first 3 rounds.One thing to consider, if you're not liking the RBs available at the top of the 2nd, many owners will start going WR heavy and drafting QB/TE, leaving about the same quality at RB available in the 4th.Darfting third, I just started with Johnson, SSmith, and T.O. in a standard scoring league. At 2.10, there were already 19 RB taken and I was not in love with the RB that were still on the board. I generally am less concerned about picking up RB2s and RB3 than most, so if you like to hoard RB you'll have to do it with guys with question marks. There will be no shortage of top flight receivers to consider in the 2nd and 3rd.
Put me down in the group that likes this team. Like all teams in a 12 team league, you would need a couple things to break your way in order to have a great season. I never draft a QB before the 8th round. Last year my targets in all of my leagues were Brees, Kitna, Vick, and Plummer. All but one of those guys delivered a solid season. Roethlisberger should be much the same this year. Eli is a little hit or miss for my liking, but that is why you take multiple QBs late, hoping one steps forward.I'd love to end up with a team like this. Ignore the hate. Gore is a stud, RB1. Green will be a very capable RB2 in Hou at worst IMO. Williams offers the potential to break out as a RB1, as does Barber. White should start and be a playable RB2. I don't care if you call it musical RBs or not, thats a great group to have if you ask me. WR is pretty strong with Wayne as a #1 but after that it gets a bit thin. You have the best TE in football to help make up for the weaker WRs. Roethlisberger will easily be in the top 10 this year IMO.I think this is the best plan in most formats. Although, I might prefer Gates to TO in the 3rd, if available.FWIW, a mock from the 4 hole yielded:1: Gore, Frank (RB)2: Wayne, Reggie (WR)3: Gates, Antonio (TE)4: Williams, DeAngelo (RB)5: Green, Ahman (RB)6: Brown, Chris (RB)7: Barber, Marion (RB)8: White, LenDale (RB)9: Coles, Laveranues (WR)10: Manning, Eli (QB)11: Roethlisberger, Ben (QB)12: Scheffler, Tony (TE)13: Gould, Robbie (K)14: Leonard, Brian (RB)15: Williamson, Troy (WR)Might have gone too RB heavy in rounds 4-8, but overall, this is a pretty strong team, without going RB-RB-RB first 3 rounds.One thing to consider, if you're not liking the RBs available at the top of the 2nd, many owners will start going WR heavy and drafting QB/TE, leaving about the same quality at RB available in the 4th.Darfting third, I just started with Johnson, SSmith, and T.O. in a standard scoring league. At 2.10, there were already 19 RB taken and I was not in love with the RB that were still on the board. I generally am less concerned about picking up RB2s and RB3 than most, so if you like to hoard RB you'll have to do it with guys with question marks. There will be no shortage of top flight receivers to consider in the 2nd and 3rd.
2 RBswannabee said:I think Gore or LJ is the choice at 1.04. To answer the 2.09/3.04 question, I will need to know the starting lineups? Do you start 3 RBs?
The more I look at it, the more I like RB-WR-WR. Gates is tempting, as are some of the QBs around there. But ultimately I think the prudent play is WR-WR when you can get two top guys.Drafting third, I just started with Johnson, SSmith, and T.O. in a standard scoring league. At 2.10, there were already 19 RB taken and I was not in love with the RB that were still on the board. I generally am less concerned about picking up RB2s and RB3 than most, so if you like to hoard RB you'll have to do it with guys with question marks. There will be no shortage of top flight receivers to consider in the 2nd and 3rd.
I just never figured to have a shot at LJ at #4. If SJ drops, no question I take him. But if LJ drops, it's because of concerns about his holdout. Should I share those concerns and stick with Gore?To answer the original question, why wouldn't you draft whoever you have ranked higher? If you guy slips beyond where you thought he should go, isn't that kinda the point?
Fair point, it's a simulator though, so take it for what its worth.Coles probably won't drop this far in real leagues, but the other WRs ranked around there are Glenn, Galloway, Jennings, Branch, Horn and Curry. I don't like Horn as my WR2, and Curry would be risky, but there's at least 4 others available there that would be acceptable.Oz:In what league can you land Coles in the 9th round? I don't see him slipping past about round 5 in any league (regardless of the rules). I don't mind that team much, but take away Coles and it's hurting at WR.
I'm not sure any of those 4 see the 9th round either though. Waiting until round 9 to draft your WR2 will not produce the results you are looking for. Take away one of your RBs and replace with a WR. I don't know what kind of sim you have, but it appears flawed to me (or I'm just seeing drafts where WRs are ALL over-valued).Fair point, it's a simulator though, so take it for what its worth.Coles probably won't drop this far in real leagues, but the other WRs ranked around there are Glenn, Galloway, Jennings, Branch, Horn and Curry. I don't like Horn as my WR2, and Curry would be risky, but there's at least 4 others available there that would be acceptable.Oz:In what league can you land Coles in the 9th round? I don't see him slipping past about round 5 in any league (regardless of the rules). I don't mind that team much, but take away Coles and it's hurting at WR.
seriously? sjax slipped to 4??? that's gross.From yesterdy's draft(1.04)
S Jax
Portis
Steve Smith
Andre Johnson
Adrian Peterson
Hasselbeck
Tatum Bell
Witten
Jennings
LJ Smith
Brandon Marshall
DJ Hackett
Kasay
Niners
We can argue this all day, but it's besides the point. Anything after round 5 was just BPA, which could easily be changed. My point here was simply to show that you can start RB-WR-TE and have a good RB group and good team. Whether or not Coles, Glenn, Galloway, Jennings, Branch, Horn and Curry are there at round 9 doesn't matter. But, Glenn, Jennings, and Galloway's ADP are in the mid 90's, that's the 8th round, it's entirely possible that one of them slips. FWIW, Santonio Holmes is #100, which is pick 9.04, exactly right (but he went before this group). I would be happy with this as my top 5 picks, wouldn't you?1: Gore, Frank (RB)2: Wayne, Reggie (WR)3: Gates, Antonio (TE)4: Williams, DeAngelo (RB)5: Green, Ahman (RB)I'm not sure any of those 4 see the 9th round either though. Waiting until round 9 to draft your WR2 will not produce the results you are looking for. Take away one of your RBs and replace with a WR. I don't know what kind of sim you have, but it appears flawed to me (or I'm just seeing drafts where WRs are ALL over-valued).Fair point, it's a simulator though, so take it for what its worth.Coles probably won't drop this far in real leagues, but the other WRs ranked around there are Glenn, Galloway, Jennings, Branch, Horn and Curry. I don't like Horn as my WR2, and Curry would be risky, but there's at least 4 others available there that would be acceptable.Oz:In what league can you land Coles in the 9th round? I don't see him slipping past about round 5 in any league (regardless of the rules). I don't mind that team much, but take away Coles and it's hurting at WR.
I'm hoping he slips to 3 in another league but the guy ahead of me is pretty sharp.Oz quote-seriously? sjax slipped to 4??? that's gross.
I would rather see you go with a RB or a WR with that pick and then take a TE later. Can you show a mock with something else there?We can argue this all day, but it's besides the point. Anything after round 5 was just BPA, which could easily be changed. My point here was simply to show that you can start RB-WR-TE and have a good RB group and good team. Whether or not Coles, Glenn, Galloway, Jennings, Branch, Horn and Curry are there at round 9 doesn't matter. But, Glenn, Jennings, and Galloway's ADP are in the mid 90's, that's the 8th round, it's entirely possible that one of them slips. FWIW, Santonio Holmes is #100, which is pick 9.04, exactly right (but he went before this group).I'm not sure any of those 4 see the 9th round either though. Waiting until round 9 to draft your WR2 will not produce the results you are looking for. Take away one of your RBs and replace with a WR. I don't know what kind of sim you have, but it appears flawed to me (or I'm just seeing drafts where WRs are ALL over-valued).Fair point, it's a simulator though, so take it for what its worth.Coles probably won't drop this far in real leagues, but the other WRs ranked around there are Glenn, Galloway, Jennings, Branch, Horn and Curry. I don't like Horn as my WR2, and Curry would be risky, but there's at least 4 others available there that would be acceptable.Oz:
In what league can you land Coles in the 9th round? I don't see him slipping past about round 5 in any league (regardless of the rules). I don't mind that team much, but take away Coles and it's hurting at WR.
I would be happy with this as my top 5 picks, wouldn't you?
1: Gore, Frank (RB)
2: Wayne, Reggie (WR)
3: Gates, Antonio (TE)
4: Williams, DeAngelo (RB)
5: Green, Ahman (RB)
Feel free to conduct your own.http://www.fantasyfootballxtreme.com/wp-co...ulator/pick.phpI would rather see you go with a RB or a WR with that pick and then take a TE later. Can you show a mock with something else there?
Although this site is fast and fun to do on your own, it has a flaw. I put the amount of teams to 12, and chose the starting lineup of 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1D, 1K. Here is the team I drafted from the 3 spot:StartersFeel free to conduct your own.http://www.fantasyfootballxtreme.com/wp-co...ulator/pick.phpI would rather see you go with a RB or a WR with that pick and then take a TE later. Can you show a mock with something else there?
Yeah, definitely flawed. This is what I ended up with from the 4 spot.QB--Hasselbeck, Rivers, Alex SmithAlthough this site is fast and fun to do on your own, it has a flaw. I put the amount of teams to 12, and chose the starting lineup of 1QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 1D, 1K. Here is the team I drafted from the 3 spot:StartersFeel free to conduct your own.http://www.fantasyfootballxtreme.com/wp-co...ulator/pick.phpI would rather see you go with a RB or a WR with that pick and then take a TE later. Can you show a mock with something else there?
QB - Carson Palmer
RB - Steven Jackson
RB - Brandon Jacobs
WR - Marvin Harrison
WR - Donald Driver
WR - Laveranues Coles
TE - Jeremy Shockey
D - Chicago Bears
K - The site only posted 4 kickers, and they all went by round 10, so I'll just take anyone here as my 15th rounder
Bench
QB - Alex Smith
RB - Ahman Green
RB - Vernand Morency
RB - Ron Dayne
WR - DJ Hackett
WR - Santonio Holmes
Here is how I drafted:
1.3 - SJax
2.10 - Carson
3.3 - Marvin
4.10 - Driver
5.3 - Shockey
6.10 - CHI
7.3 - Coles
8.10 - Jacobs
9.3 - Ahman
10.10 - Morency
11.3 - Hackett
12.10 - Santonio
13.3 - Dayne
14.10 - Alex Smith
15.3 - Any kicker
No way in hell Jacobs and Ahman should last that late. I know I jumped on a D early, but after only 2 mocks, I quickly realized the RB's and WR's were lasting a long time. Anyway, it was fun stuff. Thanx for the link.