1.32: Who should the reigning champ Colts take? (1 Viewer)

[BigRed]

#$@! well better be defense and I don't mean a freakin safety. Despite a playoff/SB performance by the D which was amazing, I'm not exactly convinced they are suddenly for real.

 

[lord_helmet]

Sidney Rice

 

[harrycarey]

If a WR that they have rated highly enough is there, I wouldn't mind that. Especially if it was Meachem. Other than that if Timmons or Puz isn't there, trade back to pick up some more picks since they don't have a 2nd rounder. Then, in the first 4 picks grab DT, LB, DE, WR

 

[BigRed]

If a WR that they have rated highly enough is there, I wouldn't mind that. Especially if it was Meachem. Other than that if Timmons or Puz isn't there, trade back to pick up some more picks since they don't have a 2nd rounder. Then, in the first 4 picks grab DT, LB, DE, WR

Yeah this may be the first draft in a long time that IMO trading down makes sense for them. And the top LBs keep getting ranked higher and higher, so one of the better DTs would work.

 

[djcolts]

Whoever is the highest-rated player on their board (unless it is a QB, or OG). Fill the needs with the mid-round picks (6 total, and likely 7 when Jason David gets signed by the Saints this week).

 

[djcolts]

If a WR that they have rated highly enough is there, I wouldn't mind that. Especially if it was Meachem. Other than that if Timmons or Puz isn't there, trade back to pick up some more picks since they don't have a 2nd rounder. Then, in the first 4 picks grab DT, LB, DE, WR

Yeah this may be the first draft in a long time that IMO trading down makes sense for them. And the top LBs keep getting ranked higher and higher, so one of the better DTs would work.

Unless someone falls to them, the Colts will probably try to trade down, but for this draft I don't see any takers for the last pick on round 1 (weak overall draft, no one wants to pay 1st round money for a 2nd round-value pick).

 

[Warhogs]

I too think this might be a nice year to grab a WR if they really like one. A rookie WR could fill the WR#3 slot and get a couple of years of learning from Harrison before Harrison deicedes to retire.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Best WR/secondary/run stuffer DT (likely to be WR) available or Beason if he falls.

 

[massraider]

Best player available.

What, someone already said that?

OK, I'll say Sidney Rice.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Sidney Rice or Justin Harrell

 

[toppshelff]

Which WR can best step into a kick return/WR3 role right away? Colts struggled on special teams (think Hester in SB), and Sandeford can't do the slot receiver justice.

 

[cstu]

I too think this might be a nice year to grab a WR if they really like one. A rookie WR could fill the WR#3 slot and get a couple of years of learning from Harrison before Harrison deicedes to retire.

Taking a WR now would be a smart move. They wouldn't be able to get a guy like Rice at #32 in a normal draft so they should take advantage of the chance to keep their offense rolling. It took Wayne a couple years to develop and it would be perfect if they can do the same with Rice for when Harrison hangs em up.

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Justin Harrell.

 

[BigRed]

Whoever is the highest-rated player on their board (unless it is a QB, or OG).

.....or TE or RB or safety. Then I agree. I see a highly-ranked DLs or 3 having a pretty good chance of falling to them.

 

[djcolts]

Whoever is the highest-rated player on their board (unless it is a QB, or OG).

.....or TE or RB or safety. Then I agree. I see a highly-ranked DLs or 3 having a pretty good chance of falling to them.

If Greg Olsen falls to them, they need to at least considerate it - especially if they don't think they can sign Dallas Clark long-term. I assumed that their would be no round 1 RB that would be there, so that doesn't concern me. You're right about safety - they need one for depth, but not a starter.I'm not really sold on any of the DL prospects that may be there at #32. I think Tank Tyler is a two-gap DT and not a one-gap DT. There's a wide variety of opinion on Justin Harrell - both good and bad - I'm not sure how I'd feel if they took him at #32. They need a DT, but if the value isn't there, wait until round 3 and take someone like Mebane. I don't think Beason will fall to #32, and he's a round 1 LB I'd like to get. If there's a run on LBs in round 1, then I think we're looking at a WR that falls through the cracks (and one or two likely will). But, I don't know. Assuming David signs with the Saints, maybe the Colts will luck out and get a CB that falls for little reason at #32.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Assuming David signs with the Saints, maybe the Colts will luck out and get a CB that falls for little reason at #32.

SAINTS MAKE A PLAY FOR DAVIDAdam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the New Orleans Saints will sign Colts restricted free agent cornerback Jason David to an offer sheet.The sheet will be signed on Thursday afternoon and presented to the Colts. Indy will have until next Thursday, April 26, to match the offer. Schefter reports that the package is frontloaded, making it hard for the cap-heavy Colts to match (unless, say, Peyton Manning gives up some of his jack). Also, Schefter says it is expected to be the most lucrative offer sheet of the 2007 offseason.If the Colts don't match, they'll get the Saints' fourth-round pick. New Orleans already has two others.The Colts could have tendered David at a higher level to dissuade the Saints or anyone else from making an offer. If Indy doesn't match the offer, the Colts will have lost both starting cornerbacks since Super Bowl XLI. Nick Harper previously signed with the Titans. Harper started 15 regular season games in 2006, and David started in 16 of them.Maybe Reggie Wayne can play both ways.Finally, the deadline for signing restricted free agents is tomorrow, April 20.

All of a sudden, cornerback is a SERIOUS need.

 

[ravnzfan]

Assuming David signs with the Saints, maybe the Colts will luck out and get a CB that falls for little reason at #32.

SAINTS MAKE A PLAY FOR DAVID

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the New Orleans Saints will sign Colts restricted free agent cornerback Jason David to an offer sheet.

The sheet will be signed on Thursday afternoon and presented to the Colts. Indy will have until next Thursday, April 26, to match the offer.

Schefter reports that the package is frontloaded, making it hard for the cap-heavy Colts to match (unless, say, Peyton Manning gives up some of his jack). Also, Schefter says it is expected to be the most lucrative offer sheet of the 2007 offseason.

If the Colts don't match, they'll get the Saints' fourth-round pick. New Orleans already has two others.

The Colts could have tendered David at a higher level to dissuade the Saints or anyone else from making an offer. If Indy doesn't match the offer, the Colts will have lost both starting cornerbacks since Super Bowl XLI. Nick Harper previously signed with the Titans. Harper started 15 regular season games in 2006, and David started in 16 of them.

Maybe Reggie Wayne can play both ways.

Finally, the deadline for signing restricted free agents is tomorrow, April 20.

All of a sudden, cornerback is a SERIOUS need.

I concur---any selection@32 that isn't a corner by Indy makes no freakin' sence

 

[SoloMatisse]

I like the Colts taking Anthony Gonzalez @ WR from Ohio State. Harrison still has game, but he isnt getting any younger and its time to find another complimentary WR. Gonzalez has experience playing alongside other studs in a bigtime environment, he's smart, a good route runner with good hands, and seems like a mature guy. He'd fit in well in Indy.

 

[djcolts]

Assuming David signs with the Saints, maybe the Colts will luck out and get a CB that falls for little reason at #32.

SAINTS MAKE A PLAY FOR DAVID

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the New Orleans Saints will sign Colts restricted free agent cornerback Jason David to an offer sheet.

The sheet will be signed on Thursday afternoon and presented to the Colts. Indy will have until next Thursday, April 26, to match the offer.

Schefter reports that the package is frontloaded, making it hard for the cap-heavy Colts to match (unless, say, Peyton Manning gives up some of his jack). Also, Schefter says it is expected to be the most lucrative offer sheet of the 2007 offseason.

If the Colts don't match, they'll get the Saints' fourth-round pick. New Orleans already has two others.

The Colts could have tendered David at a higher level to dissuade the Saints or anyone else from making an offer. If Indy doesn't match the offer, the Colts will have lost both starting cornerbacks since Super Bowl XLI. Nick Harper previously signed with the Titans. Harper started 15 regular season games in 2006, and David started in 16 of them.

Maybe Reggie Wayne can play both ways.

Finally, the deadline for signing restricted free agents is tomorrow, April 20.

All of a sudden, cornerback is a SERIOUS need.

I concur---any selection@32 that isn't a corner by Indy makes no freakin' sence

I don't agree. No matter what the needs are of a team, you still have to take the best player available in round 1, then fill the needs in the later rounds. If there is nothing left on the board at CB except mid-second round value at pick #32, but there is a mid-first round caliber LB, DT or WR on the board, then they should still take CB??? No way.The Colts clearly thought David was replaceable by Hayden and Jackson, or else they would have place a 2nd round tender on Jason David instead of a 4th round tender. Does this scare me as a Colts fan? Sure it does - I docked a full victory from my pre-draft prediction in that thread when I knew this was coming. But, they have to take the best value on the board and not reach. There will be plenty of zone CBs in rounds 3 and 4 (which they will have FIVE picks in those two rounds) to get some needed depth.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Colts fans, do you think they would give Lynch a long look if he fell to 32?

 

[JohnnyU]

Assuming David signs with the Saints, maybe the Colts will luck out and get a CB that falls for little reason at #32.

SAINTS MAKE A PLAY FOR DAVID

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the New Orleans Saints will sign Colts restricted free agent cornerback Jason David to an offer sheet.

The sheet will be signed on Thursday afternoon and presented to the Colts. Indy will have until next Thursday, April 26, to match the offer.

Schefter reports that the package is frontloaded, making it hard for the cap-heavy Colts to match (unless, say, Peyton Manning gives up some of his jack). Also, Schefter says it is expected to be the most lucrative offer sheet of the 2007 offseason.

If the Colts don't match, they'll get the Saints' fourth-round pick. New Orleans already has two others.

The Colts could have tendered David at a higher level to dissuade the Saints or anyone else from making an offer. If Indy doesn't match the offer, the Colts will have lost both starting cornerbacks since Super Bowl XLI. Nick Harper previously signed with the Titans. Harper started 15 regular season games in 2006, and David started in 16 of them.

Maybe Reggie Wayne can play both ways.

Finally, the deadline for signing restricted free agents is tomorrow, April 20.

All of a sudden, cornerback is a SERIOUS need.

I concur---any selection@32 that isn't a corner by Indy makes no freakin' sence

If they take a CB in the 1st rd I will be p-O-ed. Losing David certainly isn't a reason for concern considering they have Hayden and Jackson, who I think are better anyway. I would like for the Colts to either get an impact DT, LB, or WR at #32. Forget drafting another runt DB high.

 

[djcolts]

Colts fans, do you think they would give Lynch a long look if he fell to 32?

There was an AFC GM according to Peter King that said that there were only 18 players that his organization gave a 1st round grade for. Let's say that Polian was the one that said that (it is possible - I clearly don't know if that is true). So, when it comes to pick #32, and they think Lynch is a 1st round talent, and there is no one else on their board left that is a 1st round talent, then I think they would consider that, especially if they fail to trade down (I think we all know it will be hard to trade down at the end of the 1st round of this draft). But, I think that is the only way that happens - I think it is much more likely they take a RB with one of their about-to-be 7 mid-round picks.Edit: Oh, I think they'd consider TE Greg Olsen at #32 if he fell, especially if they don't think they can sign Dallas Clark long term after next season.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I can agree that there's no reason to panic about the CB spot and take a reach at #32. There are a lot of solid Tampa 2 type CBs available in rounds 3+.

 

[BigRed]

All of a sudden, cornerback is a SERIOUS need.

Yeah losing Davis would be huge Actually he was better this year than in the past, but he's no great shakes. Harper was the big loss. They do have a knack for letting solid corners go (Macklin, Harris, etc). I still lean heavily to DT or LB though.

I don't agree. No matter what the needs are of a team, you still have to take the best player available in round 1,

That makes no sense at all. So if Quinn somehow fell they should take him then? You have to consider both. And the first round of ALL rounds is one where you are most likely to successfully fill a need, so it should be considered there MORE than any other round. If Polian drafts Olsen he better have a good hiding spot.

 

[harrycarey]

What does the staff think of Tim Jennings? He was a 2nd rounder last year... and I'm excited about seeing Jackson and Hayden play more, they'll have more "big plays" like we saw in the Super Bowl.

I don't think they reach for a CB.. if Ross or Houston are there, then take em, otherwise go DT, WR, LB

The staff has it in their minds whether some of the young guys can play (Keiaho, Jennings, Hagler.. etc) and that will help dictate their choice

 

[djcolts]

All of a sudden, cornerback is a SERIOUS need.

Yeah losing Davis would be huge Actually he was better this year than in the past, but he's no great shakes. Harper was the big loss. They do have a knack for letting solid corners go (Macklin, Harris, etc). I still lean heavily to DT or LB though.

I don't agree. No matter what the needs are of a team, you still have to take the best player available in round 1,

That makes no sense at all. So if Quinn somehow fell they should take him then? You have to consider both. And the first round of ALL rounds is one where you are most likely to successfully fill a need, so it should be considered there MORE than any other round. If Polian drafts Olsen he better have a good hiding spot.

I was trying to make a point, and I exaggerated a little. So sue me!

 

[pizzatyme]

I am hopeful of getting a DT, but I also don't see the 1 gap 1st rounder there @1.32

I will give a list of 6 I think we end up with one of:

Ted Ginn Jr.

Anthony Gonzalez

Jarrett

Beason

Harrell

Tyler

We'll see.

I would love to have Lynch if he fell to us, but I don't see it happening. Also, Olsen would be sweet, again, I don't see him getting to us either.

 

[djcolts]

This is from Pro Football Talk.com - commenting on a Len P ESPN Insider piece. It basically explain why the Colts don't HAVE to take a corner in round 1, which is what I've been saying. I have a feeling the Colts will take a WR in round 1 - my guess would be Anthony Gonzalez. I don't think Beason or Harrell will be there at pick #32 (I'm not sure they'd take Harrell, anyway - I think they would take Beason if he was there, which he won't be. They'll draft a LB and a DT and at least one CB with their 7 mid-round picks).

LEN MAKES A GOOD POINT ON TAMPA 2 CORNERSBefore we go any farther with this one, please understand that we are not drunk or high or suffering from amnesia. We fully realize that we have made a cottage industry over the past five years of twisting the tail of ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli, and this item should not be regarded as proof that we have decided to move on. (Must . . . resist . . . . Must . . . resist . . . .)But we've got to give credit where it's due -- especially when one of the same league sources who like to point out flaws in the logic of scribes like Len lets us know that Len has written a spot-on item.Specifically, Pasquarelli's piece regarding the Colts' disinclination to match the offer sheet that cornerback Jason David signed with the Saints is drawing nods of approval in league and media circles.The reality, as Len explains, is that cornerbacks don't have the same value in the Tampa 2 system that they possess in other defensive schemes. In the Tampa 2, cornerbacks don't run down the field in pass coverage; they primarily cover short zones and chase down running backs who receive handoffs and receivers who catch the short passes that the Tampa 2 tries to force. In the Tampa 2, safeties (who are responsible for the deep zones) and linebackers (who need to be able to cover a lot of ground in the middle of the field) are a much more important commodity.And the defensive linemen are vital as well, since the four of them typically are required to clog running lanes without linebacker help and to beat five offensive linemen and any other blockers who are kept in for pass coverage.So, in the Tampa 2, cornerback is arguably the least important position -- and this means that teams like the Colts won't overpay for players like David and Nick Harper, since they'll be able to fill those spots with guys already on the roster or players whom they draft next week.

 

[pizzatyme]

This is from Pro Football Talk.com - commenting on a Len P ESPN Insider piece. It basically explain why the Colts don't HAVE to take a corner in round 1, which is what I've been saying. I have a feeling the Colts will take a WR in round 1 - my guess would be Anthony Gonzalez. I don't think Beason or Harrell will be there at pick #32 (I'm not sure they'd take Harrell, anyway - I think they would take Beason if he was there, which he won't be. They'll draft a LB and a DT and at least one CB with their 7 mid-round picks).

LEN MAKES A GOOD POINT ON TAMPA 2 CORNERSBefore we go any farther with this one, please understand that we are not drunk or high or suffering from amnesia. We fully realize that we have made a cottage industry over the past five years of twisting the tail of ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli, and this item should not be regarded as proof that we have decided to move on. (Must . . . resist . . . . Must . . . resist . . . .)But we've got to give credit where it's due -- especially when one of the same league sources who like to point out flaws in the logic of scribes like Len lets us know that Len has written a spot-on item.Specifically, Pasquarelli's piece regarding the Colts' disinclination to match the offer sheet that cornerback Jason David signed with the Saints is drawing nods of approval in league and media circles.The reality, as Len explains, is that cornerbacks don't have the same value in the Tampa 2 system that they possess in other defensive schemes. In the Tampa 2, cornerbacks don't run down the field in pass coverage; they primarily cover short zones and chase down running backs who receive handoffs and receivers who catch the short passes that the Tampa 2 tries to force. In the Tampa 2, safeties (who are responsible for the deep zones) and linebackers (who need to be able to cover a lot of ground in the middle of the field) are a much more important commodity.And the defensive linemen are vital as well, since the four of them typically are required to clog running lanes without linebacker help and to beat five offensive linemen and any other blockers who are kept in for pass coverage.So, in the Tampa 2, cornerback is arguably the least important position -- and this means that teams like the Colts won't overpay for players like David and Nick Harper, since they'll be able to fill those spots with guys already on the roster or players whom they draft next week.

I think 3rd or even 4th round is where we can get depth for this position.

 

[BigRed]

I was trying to make a point, and I exaggerated a little. So sue me!

I would if I could afford a lawyer.

I am hopeful of getting a DT, but I also don't see the 1 gap 1st rounder there @1.32I will give a list of 6 I think we end up with one of:Ted Ginn Jr.Anthony GonzalezJarrettBeasonHarrellTylerWe'll see.I would love to have Lynch if he fell to us, but I don't see it happening. Also, Olsen would be sweet, again, I don't see him getting to us either.

Dear God not Jarrett. I lean to "Gonzo" but really IMO you can mostly flip coins on which 2d-tier WR is best. Lynch will not be there and thank God. Not that the value wouldn't be great but that's one of the last positions we should be worrying about in Rd 1.

 

[ExtraPoint]

Colts fans, do you think they would give Lynch a long look if he fell to 32?

Absolutely. They need a compliment to Addai who might not be able to handle a big workload. They dont necessarily need to draft a RB in round one but if Lynch fell to them, they'd have to pounce. Lynch is a good receiver who would make a great fit for the system. He could even beat out Addai for the starting gig. The Colts should pick Lynch if he were to make it to them and that happening is a possiblity.

 

[Marvin88]

Put it in the bank: "Tank" Tyler DT - NC State.

 

[djcolts]

Put it in the bank: "Tank" Tyler DT - NC State.

Two reasons I don't think this will be the pick, in spite of the obvious DT need:1. He's mainly a 2-gap DT, and the Colts run a 1-gap system.2. Off the field issues. You have to be even more careful about that with the new NFL emphasis on off the field behavior. The Colts can't take that risk, especially with Darrell Reid getting himself in trouble earlier in the off-season.

 

[Alwazefun]

Assuming David signs with the Saints, maybe the Colts will luck out and get a CB that falls for little reason at #32.

SAINTS MAKE A PLAY FOR DAVID

Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that the New Orleans Saints will sign Colts restricted free agent cornerback Jason David to an offer sheet.

The sheet will be signed on Thursday afternoon and presented to the Colts. Indy will have until next Thursday, April 26, to match the offer.

Schefter reports that the package is frontloaded, making it hard for the cap-heavy Colts to match (unless, say, Peyton Manning gives up some of his jack). Also, Schefter says it is expected to be the most lucrative offer sheet of the 2007 offseason.

If the Colts don't match, they'll get the Saints' fourth-round pick. New Orleans already has two others.

The Colts could have tendered David at a higher level to dissuade the Saints or anyone else from making an offer. If Indy doesn't match the offer, the Colts will have lost both starting cornerbacks since Super Bowl XLI. Nick Harper previously signed with the Titans. Harper started 15 regular season games in 2006, and David started in 16 of them.

Maybe Reggie Wayne can play both ways.

Finally, the deadline for signing restricted free agents is tomorrow, April 20.

All of a sudden, cornerback is a SERIOUS need.

I concur---any selection@32 that isn't a corner by Indy makes no freakin' sence

If they take a CB in the 1st rd I will be p-O-ed. Losing David certainly isn't a reason for concern considering they have Hayden and Jackson, who I think are better anyway. I would like for the Colts to either get an impact DT, LB, or WR at #32. Forget drafting another runt DB high.

Losing Jason David was a blessing, he was a scrub; he was always blowing coverage ... Hayden or Jackson >>>> David

I think with the depth at WR this year thats where they get the most value at #32

 

[djcolts]

Dayton Daily News says Colts are eyeing LB Justin Durant with pick #32

This is part of the article:

There are some rumblings around the NFL that have the Indianapolis Colts seriously considering taking Hampton LB Justin Durant with the 32nd pick in the first-round of the upcoming draft April 28-29.

The Colts, who are without a second-round selection after trading the pick away to the Tampa Bay Bucs for DT Anthony McFarland, now find themselves looking to fill a major void at the linebacker position after LB Cato June signed a free agent contract with, of all teams, the Buccaneers.

The Colts are believed to be in search of an impact player on defense and may have their sights set on the small-school talent. At 6-foot-1, 230 pounds, Durant is almost a carbon copy of June and would fit in perfectly with the Colts on defense.

 

[djcolts]

Colts fans, do you think they would give Lynch a long look if he fell to 32?

There was an AFC GM according to Peter King that said that there were only 18 players that his organization gave a 1st round grade for. Let's say that Polian was the one that said that (it is possible - I clearly don't know if that is true). So, when it comes to pick #32, and they think Lynch is a 1st round talent, and there is no one else on their board left that is a 1st round talent, then I think they would consider that, especially if they fail to trade down (I think we all know it will be hard to trade down at the end of the 1st round of this draft). But, I think that is the only way that happens - I think it is much more likely they take a RB with one of their about-to-be 7 mid-round picks.Edit: Oh, I think they'd consider TE Greg Olsen at #32 if he fell, especially if they don't think they can sign Dallas Clark long term after next season.

Polian may not have originally said that there are only 18 1st rounders in the draft, but he said that in Peter King's MMQBTE:

1. I've gotten lots of questions on the talk-show circuit, from hosts and even a caller, about the contention in Monday Morning Quarterback last week that there are only 18 first-round-quality picks in this year's draft.

Colts GM Bill Polian told me, "I wondered, 'Did I talk to you?' I didn't, but that's exactly how many players we have graded as first-rounders.''

Not that this will make much of an impact in the draft. Maybe a team in the 20s would try to trade up to 12 or 14 out of desperation for, say, a projected first-year starting defensive end like Adam Carriker. But in general, no guy who gets picked 27th is going to say: I'll take second-round money because I know I'm not really first-round quality.

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[BigRed]

At 6-foot-1, 230 pounds, Durant is almost a carbon copy of June and would fit in perfectly with the Colts on defense.

lol @ this crack addict statement. Yeah just what we need, more shrimpy guys. But can he whiff on tackles like June??

 

[JohnnyU]

At 6-foot-1, 230 pounds, Durant is almost a carbon copy of June and would fit in perfectly with the Colts on defense.

lol @ this crack addict statement. Yeah just what we need, more shrimpy guys.But can he whiff on tackles like June??

Brilliant !!!

 

[matuski]

Justin Harrell.

please let him slip to the lions at 2.02

 

[Mr. Brownstone]

Justin Harrell.

please let him slip to the lions at 2.02

I hope he does.

 

[djcolts]

At 6-foot-1, 230 pounds, Durant is almost a carbon copy of June and would fit in perfectly with the Colts on defense.

lol @ this crack addict statement. Yeah just what we need, more shrimpy guys.But can he whiff on tackles like June??

Brilliant !!!

If they are going to continue to draft shrimpy guys, they should at least not pick a shrimpy guy at round 1. There will be plenty of shrimpy guys to choose from from round 3 on.

 

[djcolts]

Jason David is now a Saint (as expected). Colts get another 4th round pick - but also needs to pick one or two CBs with their picks (I'd be happy with a couple of mid-round CB picks).

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