14 Killed in Shooting in San Bernardino (2 Viewers)

[fantasycurse42]

Too many lunatics and losers with nothing to live for, nothing will change this. I mean, we should be spending more money on mental illness, but I don't think that will do much more than put a small dent in the problem.

If it's truly more than one gunman as is being reported, then I doubt mental illness is an issue here.

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[timschochet]

I think there's room for all kinds of discussion here, but it's premature to talk about gun control or mental illness or anything else because we don't have enough information.

 

[HellToupee]

https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/672139341452414976

Thanks for the link. Who is this person?

JΞSTΞR ✪ ΔCTUAL³³º¹

From Jester

#UPDATE CONFIRMED 3x SHOOTERS - BODY ARMOR, AND TACTICAL GEAR THOUGHT TO BE AWAY IN BLACK FULLSIZE GMC, STOCK RIMS. .

2:49pm - 2 Dec 15

Glad he could lighten it up a bit

 

[Soulfly3]

I'm gonna revisit this later....

But something in the back of my mind is relating this to Eagles of Death Metal, if it is, in fact, terrorist related.

Total conspiracy theory, but hey.. maybe

 

[ericttspikes]

It's the new normal. A culture of guns and violence. No political will to do anything. Just have to live with it.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I think there's room for all kinds of discussion here, but it's premature to talk about gun control or mental illness or anything else because we don't have enough information.

Anyone (even in a group of 3) that shoots up a center for disabled people (or basically anywhere for that matter) is clearly mentally ill.

 

[timschochet]

https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/672139341452414976

Thanks for the link. Who is this person?

JΞSTΞR ✪ ΔCTUAL³³º¹

From Jester#UPDATE CONFIRMED 3x SHOOTERS - BODY ARMOR, AND TACTICAL GEAR THOUGHT TO BE AWAY IN BLACK FULLSIZE GMC, STOCK RIMS. .

2:49pm - 2 Dec 15

Glad he could lighten it up a bit

I don't get the joke- but how can you find something about this amusing right now anyhow?

 

[Harry Manback]

I think there's room for all kinds of discussion here, but it's premature to talk about gun control or mental illness or anything else because we don't have enough information.

How the #### is it pre-mature to talk about gun control when 3 people killed at least 12 people with guns?

 

[timschochet]

I think there's room for all kinds of discussion here, but it's premature to talk about gun control or mental illness or anything else because we don't have enough information.

Anyone (even in a group of 3) that shoots up a center for disabled people (or basically anywhere for that matter) is clearly mentally ill.

i understand your point, but it's premature to argue it. Let's get the facts, shall we?

 

[Bucky86]

JΞSTΞR ✪ ΔCTUAL³³º¹ ‏@th3j35t3r 2m

2 minutes ago
#UPDATE FAROOQ SAEED

Not sure what this means.

 

[timschochet]

I think there's room for all kinds of discussion here, but it's premature to talk about gun control or mental illness or anything else because we don't have enough information.

How the #### is it pre-mature to talk about gun control when 3 people killed at least 12 people with guns?

Because we don't know what kind of guns or how they got their guns??

 

[TobiasFunke]

Can you old bags move the gun control hand wringing to the gun control thread so those of us looking to follow this incident don't have to step over your garbage?

TIA

You're choosing a fantasy football message board to follow coverage? Talk about garbage.

No TV and the FFA usually does a pretty good job of Aggregating reports from a wide range of news sources, not to mention color from those local to the area.

I browse the usual stuff (twitter/cnn/etc) as well... but poo pooing this place as a good cumulative news source is a bit silly, IMO.

And it doesn't change the fact that there is a Gun Control thread for the hand-wringing and circular debates.

Sorry, but I totally disagree here. It's absolutely relevant and important to discuss whether and how our attitudes towards guns might contribute to the absurd regularity of these incidents. If you don't want to read it you can scroll past the posts that touch on it in a matter of seconds, but people who do want to discuss whether and how we can make this stop (or at least slow down significantly) with changes in laws or policies or attitudes or whatever have every right to talk about it at every opportunity.

 

[mcintyre1]

Totally unconfirmed and probably wrong, but heard some people on the police scanner reporting a suspect with the name "Sayeed." Also just referred to EOD entering the building to deal with the "IED" (their words).

 

[cubd8]

Too many lunatics and losers with nothing to live for, nothing will change this. I mean, we should be spending more money on mental illness, but I don't think that will do much more than put a small dent in the problem.

Are there more mass shooting today than there were 10, 20, etc. years ago? It obviously feels like there are since there are so many more media coverage.

Why is shooting/killing as many people as possible an option? As a rational person (I think), I could never fathom ever reaching a point in my life where I would ever think to harm another person. Is this simply mental illness? Some mis-guided belief that this is a solution? Is a loner/loser prone to these mis-guided believes despite otherwise not being on the radar?

 

[Lupe]

JΞSTΞR ✪ ΔCTUAL³³º¹ ‏@th3j35t3r 2m

2 minutes ago
#UPDATE FAROOQ SAEED

Not sure what this means.

Supposedly the name mentioned on the scanner.

 

[TheIronSheik]

It says police may know the name of one of the gunmen. That's pretty quick.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Can you old bags move the gun control hand wringing to the gun control thread so those of us looking to follow this incident don't have to step over your garbage?

TIA

 

[Soulfly3]

Police Department "we don't know where the shooters are"

wow.

 

[comfortably numb]

Can you old bags move the gun control hand wringing to the gun control thread so those of us looking to follow this incident don't have to step over your garbage?

TIA

You're choosing a fantasy football message board to follow coverage? Talk about garbage.

No TV and the FFA usually does a pretty good job of Aggregating reports from a wide range of news sources, not to mention color from those local to the area.

I browse the usual stuff (twitter/cnn/etc) as well... but poo pooing this place as a good cumulative news source is a bit silly, IMO.

And it doesn't change the fact that there is a Gun Control thread for the hand-wringing and circular debates.

Sorry, but I totally disagree here. It's absolutely relevant and important to discuss whether and how our attitudes towards guns might contribute to the absurd regularity of these incidents. If you don't want to read it you can scroll past the posts that touch on it in a matter of seconds, but people who do want to discuss whether and how we can make this stop (or at least slow down significantly) with changes in laws or policies or attitudes or whatever have every right to talk about it at every opportunity.

Not that easy to scroll through 29 posts per page on a phone about people's agendas regarding gun control when you simply want news and information.

Is it too much to ask to wait a day before cluttering the thread with the debate or just use the gun control thread for discussing gun laws?

 

[cubd8]

I think there's room for all kinds of discussion here, but it's premature to talk about gun control or mental illness or anything else because we don't have enough information.

Normally, does this stop you? That seems to be a commom complaint.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Can you old bags move the gun control hand wringing to the gun control thread so those of us looking to follow this incident don't have to step over your garbage?

TIA

You're choosing a fantasy football message board to follow coverage? Talk about garbage.

No TV and the FFA usually does a pretty good job of Aggregating reports from a wide range of news sources, not to mention color from those local to the area.

I browse the usual stuff (twitter/cnn/etc) as well... but poo pooing this place as a good cumulative news source is a bit silly, IMO.

And it doesn't change the fact that there is a Gun Control thread for the hand-wringing and circular debates.

Sorry, but I totally disagree here. It's absolutely relevant and important to discuss whether and how our attitudes towards guns might contribute to the absurd regularity of these incidents. If you don't want to read it you can scroll past the posts that touch on it in a matter of seconds, but people who do want to discuss whether and how we can make this stop (or at least slow down significantly) with changes in laws or policies or attitudes or whatever have every right to talk about it at every opportunity.

Not that easy to scroll through 29 posts per page on a phone about people's agendas regarding gun control when you simply want news and information.

Is it too much to ask to wait a day before cluttering the thread with the debate or just use the gun control thread for discussing gun laws?

Fair point about the phone. But yeah, it is too much to ask to wait a day ... because by tomorrow we'll be talking about the next mass shooting instead of this one, and people will be asking to wait another day.

 

[Harry Manback]

How do these terrorists obtain their firearms?

Honest question: If we hold bartenders and establishments responsible if they over serve a patron who drives off and kills somebody, why can't we punish the people who sell firearms and ammunition to murdering terrorists?

Honest answer - is a bartender is responsible only if they serve a noticeably intoxicated person.

For gun sellers - assuming they run the proper background checks - how are they supposed to identify those with homicidal tendencies?

If only they were running proper background checks.

Right now, the majority of states do not require background checks at gun shows. Also, a large number of states don't submit names of mentally ill into the national database, only 7 states account for 98% of those individuals deemed unable to buy a firearm due to mental illness. Let that sink in. 7 states, 98%. So the remaining 45 states only have 2% of the remaining mentally ill? Not for nothing, but that's how the VA Tech shooter got his gun. He was mentally ill, and declared so 2 years prior to buying a gun and killing 30+ people.

But let's not talk about that. It's not the time or the place.

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

Can you old bags move the gun control hand wringing to the gun control thread so those of us looking to follow this incident don't have to step over your garbage?

TIA

You're choosing a fantasy football message board to follow coverage? Talk about garbage.

No TV and the FFA usually does a pretty good job of Aggregating reports from a wide range of news sources, not to mention color from those local to the area.

I browse the usual stuff (twitter/cnn/etc) as well... but poo pooing this place as a good cumulative news source is a bit silly, IMO.

And it doesn't change the fact that there is a Gun Control thread for the hand-wringing and circular debates.

Sorry, but I totally disagree here. It's absolutely relevant and important to discuss whether and how our attitudes towards guns might contribute to the absurd regularity of these incidents. If you don't want to read it you can scroll past the posts that touch on it in a matter of seconds, but people who do want to discuss whether and how we can make this stop (or at least slow down significantly) with changes in laws or policies or attitudes or whatever have every right to talk about it at every opportunity.

Not that easy to scroll through 29 posts per page on a phone about people's agendas regarding gun control when you simply want news and information.

Is it too much to ask to wait a day before cluttering the thread with the debate or just use the gun control thread for discussing gun laws?

Apparently, yes, its way too much to ask for some here.

 

[HellToupee]

https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/672139341452414976

Thanks for the link. Who is this person?

JΞSTΞR ✪ ΔCTUAL³³º¹

From Jester#UPDATE CONFIRMED 3x SHOOTERS - BODY ARMOR, AND TACTICAL GEAR THOUGHT TO BE AWAY IN BLACK FULLSIZE GMC, STOCK RIMS. .

2:49pm - 2 Dec 15

Glad he could lighten it up a bit

I don't get the joke- but how can you find something about this amusing right now anyhow?

Jesus Christ asswipe there is nothing funny about the shooting , it was the tweet , stock rims . Cripes what a blowhard.

 

[Harry Manback]

I think there's room for all kinds of discussion here, but it's premature to talk about gun control or mental illness or anything else because we don't have enough information.

How the #### is it pre-mature to talk about gun control when 3 people killed at least 12 people with guns?

Because we don't know what kind of guns or how they got their guns??

 

[TheIronSheik]

Seems like such an odd place to attack. If your goal is to create terror, going to a place with disabled people isn't really getting the job done. Not that I'm wanting them to attack better places, but think how much terror the Colorado movie theater shooter created for weeks after it took place. Movie theaters all over the world were affected. I just don't see lockdowns and beefed up security coming to other mental institutes.

 

[cubd8]

How do these terrorists obtain their firearms?

Honest question: If we hold bartenders and establishments responsible if they over serve a patron who drives off and kills somebody, why can't we punish the people who sell firearms and ammunition to murdering terrorists?

Honest answer - is a bartender is responsible only if they serve a noticeably intoxicated person.

For gun sellers - assuming they run the proper background checks - how are they supposed to identify those with homicidal tendencies?

If only they were running proper background checks.

Right now, the majority of states do not require background checks at gun shows. Also, a large number of states don't submit names of mentally ill into the national database, only 7 states account for 98% of those individuals deemed unable to buy a firearm due to mental illness. Let that sink in. 7 states, 98%. So the remaining 45 states only have 2% of the remaining mentally ill? Not for nothing, but that's how the VA Tech shooter got his gun. He was mentally ill, and declared so 2 years prior to buying a gun and killing 30+ people.

But let's not talk about that. It's not the time or the place.

Why can't this get fixed immediately? Who is against this?

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

https://twitter.com/th3j35t3r/status/672139341452414976

Thanks for the link. Who is this person?

JΞSTΞR ✪ ΔCTUAL³³º¹

From Jester#UPDATE CONFIRMED 3x SHOOTERS - BODY ARMOR, AND TACTICAL GEAR THOUGHT TO BE AWAY IN BLACK FULLSIZE GMC, STOCK RIMS. .

2:49pm - 2 Dec 15

Glad he could lighten it up a bit

I don't get the joke- but how can you find something about this amusing right now anyhow?

Jesus Christ asswipe there is nothing funny about the shooting , it was the tweet , stock rims . Cripes what a blowhard.

 

[HellToupee]

We need a gun control thread

For the record I agree with Spike Lee that it shouldn't be harder to get a drivers license than to get a firearms license

 

[fantasycurse42]

I doubt this is international terrorist related (obviously could be wrong). That isn't even good for their propaganda:

We targeted little Jimmy in the wheelchair, he had no chance. We also got a few blind people and someone with cerebral palsy.

This feels like homegrown lunnies to me.

 

[Max Power]

Police Department "we don't know where the shooters are"

wow.

I've seen several tweets about the suspects fleeing the scene

 

[cubd8]

Seems like such an odd place to attack. If your goal is to create terror, going to a place with disabled people isn't really getting the job done. Not that I'm wanting them to attack better places, but think how much terror the Colorado movie theater shooter created for weeks after it took place. Movie theaters all over the world were affected. I just don't see lockdowns and beefed up security coming to other mental institutes.

Obvious speculation, but maybe the intent was to kill as many people as possible, and it's easier to kill disabled people.

 

[Cjw_55106]

How do these terrorists obtain their firearms?

Honest question: If we hold bartenders and establishments responsible if they over serve a patron who drives off and kills somebody, why can't we punish the people who sell firearms and ammunition to murdering terrorists?

Honest answer - is a bartender is responsible only if they serve a noticeably intoxicated person.

For gun sellers - assuming they run the proper background checks - how are they supposed to identify those with homicidal tendencies?

If only they were running proper background checks.

Right now, the majority of states do not require background checks at gun shows. Also, a large number of states don't submit names of mentally ill into the national database, only 7 states account for 98% of those individuals deemed unable to buy a firearm due to mental illness. Let that sink in. 7 states, 98%. So the remaining 45 states only have 2% of the remaining mentally ill? Not for nothing, but that's how the VA Tech shooter got his gun. He was mentally ill, and declared so 2 years prior to buying a gun and killing 30+ people.

But let's not talk about that. It's not the time or the place.

You can talk about it all you want. If you think politicians are going to change or eliminate HIPPA laws....good luck with that.

 

[beer 30]

So they shot up a clinic that serves developmentally disabled people? New low?

pretty sure sandy hook still wins the low award.

Yup, hard to get much lower than that one.

 

[Courtjester]

Can you old bags move the gun control hand wringing to the gun control thread so those of us looking to follow this incident don't have to step over your garbage?

TIA

You're choosing a fantasy football message board to follow coverage? Talk about garbage.

No TV and the FFA usually does a pretty good job of Aggregating reports from a wide range of news sources, not to mention color from those local to the area. I browse the usual stuff (twitter/cnn/etc) as well... but poo pooing this place as a good cumulative news source is a bit silly, IMO.

And it doesn't change the fact that there is a Gun Control thread for the hand-wringing and circular debates.

I completely agree. People at work have to rely on CNN and they are terrible at keeping up with details

 

[mcintyre1]

Scanner does make it seem like the police haven't located shooters, officer just asked dispatch for "suspect description". "*unintelligible* Male, unknown race." Another officer reporting that LAPD "believes they have information about suspect" and wants to know who they should report it to.

 

[General Malaise]

Can you old bags move the gun control hand wringing to the gun control thread so those of us looking to follow this incident don't have to step over your garbage?

TIA

You're choosing a fantasy football message board to follow coverage? Talk about garbage.

No TV and the FFA usually does a pretty good job of Aggregating reports from a wide range of news sources, not to mention color from those local to the area.

I browse the usual stuff (twitter/cnn/etc) as well... but poo pooing this place as a good cumulative news source is a bit silly, IMO.

And it doesn't change the fact that there is a Gun Control thread for the hand-wringing and circular debates.

Sorry, but I totally disagree here. It's absolutely relevant and important to discuss whether and how our attitudes towards guns might contribute to the absurd regularity of these incidents. If you don't want to read it you can scroll past the posts that touch on it in a matter of seconds, but people who do want to discuss whether and how we can make this stop (or at least slow down significantly) with changes in laws or policies or attitudes or whatever have every right to talk about it at every opportunity.

Not that easy to scroll through 29 posts per page on a phone about people's agendas regarding gun control when you simply want news and information.

Is it too much to ask to wait a day before cluttering the thread with the debate or just use the gun control thread for discussing gun laws?

Then go to CNN or Fox or any number of dedicated sites to this story. This is a message board chalk full of people with opinions. Some of us are ####### tired of mass shootings and a country that does absolutely nothing to stem the tide of machine guns, assault rifles and all other sorts of mass killing machinery into the hands of the wrong people. We're all pissed off and want it to stop. Don't get all pissy when emotions run high and opinions are vocalized.

 

[Soulfly3]

I doubt this is international terrorist related (obviously could be wrong). That isn't even good for their propaganda:

We targeted little Jimmy in the wheelchair, he had no chance. We also got a few blind people and someone with cerebral palsy.

This feels like homegrown lunnies to me.

Or.... it shows that they have absolutely NO filter on who and what they will attack.

I'd think that creates more fear in the long run

 

[IC FBGCav]

I doubt this is international terrorist related (obviously could be wrong). That isn't even good for their propaganda:

We targeted little Jimmy in the wheelchair, he had no chance. We also got a few blind people and someone with cerebral palsy.

This feels like homegrown lunnies to me.

Sound likes someone who thought they didn't get enough attention because of special needs sibling. But who the hell knows?

 

[snogger]

How do these terrorists obtain their firearms?

Honest question: If we hold bartenders and establishments responsible if they over serve a patron who drives off and kills somebody, why can't we punish the people who sell firearms and ammunition to murdering terrorists?

Honest answer - is a bartender is responsible only if they serve a noticeably intoxicated person.

For gun sellers - assuming they run the proper background checks - how are they supposed to identify those with homicidal tendencies?

If only they were running proper background checks.

Right now, the majority of states do not require background checks at gun shows. Also, a large number of states don't submit names of mentally ill into the national database, only 7 states account for 98% of those individuals deemed unable to buy a firearm due to mental illness. Let that sink in. 7 states, 98%. So the remaining 45 states only have 2% of the remaining mentally ill? Not for nothing, but that's how the VA Tech shooter got his gun. He was mentally ill, and declared so 2 years prior to buying a gun and killing 30+ people.

But let's not talk about that. It's not the time or the place.

well, due to the fact we have no idea who these shooters are or how they got their guns it does seem a little premature to talk about no back ground checks right now but hey, if it helps you get through this carry on.

 

[HellToupee]

Seems like such an odd place to attack. If your goal is to create terror, going to a place with disabled people isn't really getting the job done. Not that I'm wanting them to attack better places, but think how much terror the Colorado movie theater shooter created for weeks after it took place. Movie theaters all over the world were affected. I just don't see lockdowns and beefed up security coming to other mental institutes.

I agree but maybe it's just very soft target without a threat of return fire maybe? Just spitballing here

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I doubt this is international terrorist related (obviously could be wrong). That isn't even good for their propaganda:

We targeted little Jimmy in the wheelchair, he had no chance. We also got a few blind people and someone with cerebral palsy.

This feels like homegrown lunnies to me.

Yeah, but even then I don't understand why they would target a place like this. It truly makes no sense whatsoever, even if you try to put yourself in the shoes of a deranged ideologically-motivated killer.

 

[Harry Manback]

How do these terrorists obtain their firearms?

Honest question: If we hold bartenders and establishments responsible if they over serve a patron who drives off and kills somebody, why can't we punish the people who sell firearms and ammunition to murdering terrorists?

Honest answer - is a bartender is responsible only if they serve a noticeably intoxicated person.

For gun sellers - assuming they run the proper background checks - how are they supposed to identify those with homicidal tendencies?

If only they were running proper background checks.

Right now, the majority of states do not require background checks at gun shows. Also, a large number of states don't submit names of mentally ill into the national database, only 7 states account for 98% of those individuals deemed unable to buy a firearm due to mental illness. Let that sink in. 7 states, 98%. So the remaining 45 states only have 2% of the remaining mentally ill? Not for nothing, but that's how the VA Tech shooter got his gun. He was mentally ill, and declared so 2 years prior to buying a gun and killing 30+ people.

But let's not talk about that. It's not the time or the place.

Why can't this get fixed immediately? Who is against this?

NRA?

 

[Lupe]

Here is the scanner link, they were just talking about running intel on a guy last week.

http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/12443/web

 

[General Malaise]

Can you old bags move the gun control hand wringing to the gun control thread so those of us looking to follow this incident don't have to step over your garbage?

TIA

You're choosing a fantasy football message board to follow coverage? Talk about garbage.

No TV and the FFA usually does a pretty good job of Aggregating reports from a wide range of news sources, not to mention color from those local to the area.

I browse the usual stuff (twitter/cnn/etc) as well... but poo pooing this place as a good cumulative news source is a bit silly, IMO.

And it doesn't change the fact that there is a Gun Control thread for the hand-wringing and circular debates.

You wanna put an 'h' on the end there, GB.

 

[Harry Manback]

What are the odds this is classified as an 'act of terrorism' if the suspects aren't Muslim?

 

[TheIronSheik]

Seems like such an odd place to attack. If your goal is to create terror, going to a place with disabled people isn't really getting the job done. Not that I'm wanting them to attack better places, but think how much terror the Colorado movie theater shooter created for weeks after it took place. Movie theaters all over the world were affected. I just don't see lockdowns and beefed up security coming to other mental institutes.

Obvious speculation, but maybe the intent was to kill as many people as possible, and it's easier to kill disabled people.

Sure, I get that. But killing 20 people doesn't really instill fear in the masses.

 

[shader]

Guns stink. I don't see the point of guns.

 

[Soulfly3]

This woman on TV directing this clearly confused and scared man to call his son who is on the bus, so she can get her ####ty report...

I want to throat punch this whore.

 

[Native]

Oh no. this is Terrible. Thoughts and prayers to all. :(