14 Killed in Shooting in San Bernardino (2 Viewers)

[SofaKings]

My sources tell me this isn't Islamic terrorism.

foreign or domestic?

Neither

Prods at work?

 

[Capella]

An early look at tomorrows front page

GOD ISNT FIXING THIS: nydn.us/21wCIkY

Daily News going all-in.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I have a hard time believing that a disgruntled employee is going to convince two other co-workers or friends to actually kill numerous fellow employees.

Could be a mix. Target chosen because one of them was familiar with the location. All the ISIS stuff lately gets him worked up, starts thinking his job would be a nice place to spray with bullets. Starts talking to others looking for a place to hit. He starts spouting off at the office about US foreign policy and his boss tells him to shut up. Leaves and tells his new terror cell that the plan is a go.

This is taking things REALLY far. Pipe bombs, IEDs, body armor (possibly), masks, etc etc. I just cant imagine this is just over some "work" issues.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Some investigators said they believed that one of the gunmen had worked at the facility and recently had a dispute with fellow employees, according to law enforcement officials who did not want to be identified.

Chief Burguan confirmed that someone left the party after a dispute, “but we have no idea if those were the people that came back.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/san-bernardino-shooting.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

- eta - probably not the same. This keeps getting repeated.

 

[Soulfly3]

My sources tell me this isn't Islamic terrorism.

foreign or domestic?

Neither

very interesting. will be interested to see how this plays out

 

[Quez]

Someone across the street said it was people attending a training that could have been environmental related. Maybe some environmental extremists?

 

[belljr]

Read no bombs were thrown

 

[eoMMan]

Someone across the street said it was people attending a training that could have been environmental related. Maybe some environmental extremists?

Those guys are definitely hardcore.

 

[comfortably numb]

I have a hard time believing that a disgruntled employee is going to convince two other co-workers or friends to actually kill numerous fellow employees.

Could be a mix. Target chosen because one of them was familiar with the location. All the ISIS stuff lately gets him worked up, starts thinking his job would be a nice place to spray with bullets. Starts talking to others looking for a place to hit. He starts spouting off at the office about US foreign policy and his boss tells him to shut up. Leaves and tells his new terror cell that the plan is a go.

This is taking things REALLY far. Pipe bombs, IEDs, body armor (possibly), masks, etc etc. I just cant imagine this is just over some "work" issues.

Columbine dudes had just about all that over some bullying emo issues?

 

[ArbyMelt]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehow

http://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Cops walking people out of office building.... with hands up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of0lbwqQqwM

 

[Fennis]

My sources tell me this isn't Islamic terrorism.

foreign or domestic?

Neither

very interesting. will be interested to see how this plays out

Fwiw, I have crappy sources.

 

[Uncle CornCob]

An early look at tomorrows front page

GOD ISNT FIXING THIS: nydn.us/21wCIkY

Daily News going all-in.

very poor link form

 

[belljr]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehow

http://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

Argument sake. The Islam's hating America isn't new. Working here and now snaps?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehow

http://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

So a health inspector got his Isis buddies together and..... ???

 

[comfortably numb]

An early look at tomorrows front page

GOD ISNT FIXING THIS: nydn.us/21wCIkY

Daily News going all-in.

very poor link form

I know,

I had to copy and paste that crap.

Felt like it was 2002 all over again

 

[sho nuff]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehow

http://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

So a health inspector got his Isis buddies together and..... ???

...rated China Doll a 94.

 

[Ilov80s]

I have a hard time believing that a disgruntled employee is going to convince two other co-workers or friends to actually kill numerous fellow employees.

Could be a mix. Target chosen because one of them was familiar with the location. All the ISIS stuff lately gets him worked up, starts thinking his job would be a nice place to spray with bullets. Starts talking to others looking for a place to hit. He starts spouting off at the office about US foreign policy and his boss tells him to shut up. Leaves and tells his new terror cell that the plan is a go.

This is taking things REALLY far. Pipe bombs, IEDs, body armor (possibly), masks, etc etc. I just cant imagine this is just over some "work" issues.

Columbine dudes had just about all that over some bullying emo issues?

Total myth, the Columbine kids were the bullies.

 

[SIDA!]

Someone across the street said it was people attending a training that could have been environmental related. Maybe some environmental extremists?

Negative.

It was a christmas party for the department of environmental health. More likely to be business owners who got their business shut down or had a crappy letter grade on a health inspection than environmental extremists.

 

[ArbyMelt]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehowhttp://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

So a health inspector got his Isis buddies together and..... ???

I believe he knew the people at the Xmas party, it was a county health group, he works for the county

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

I have a hard time believing that a disgruntled employee is going to convince two other co-workers or friends to actually kill numerous fellow employees.

Could be a mix. Target chosen because one of them was familiar with the location. All the ISIS stuff lately gets him worked up, starts thinking his job would be a nice place to spray with bullets. Starts talking to others looking for a place to hit. He starts spouting off at the office about US foreign policy and his boss tells him to shut up. Leaves and tells his new terror cell that the plan is a go.

This is taking things REALLY far. Pipe bombs, IEDs, body armor (possibly), masks, etc etc. I just cant imagine this is just over some "work" issues.

Columbine dudes had just about all that over some bullying emo issues?

I think the mindset of two teenage boys would be much different than 2-3 people that have government type jobs.

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

A deep sleeper cell was just activated.

 

[comfortably numb]

I have a hard time believing that a disgruntled employee is going to convince two other co-workers or friends to actually kill numerous fellow employees.

Could be a mix. Target chosen because one of them was familiar with the location. All the ISIS stuff lately gets him worked up, starts thinking his job would be a nice place to spray with bullets. Starts talking to others looking for a place to hit. He starts spouting off at the office about US foreign policy and his boss tells him to shut up. Leaves and tells his new terror cell that the plan is a go.

This is taking things REALLY far. Pipe bombs, IEDs, body armor (possibly), masks, etc etc. I just cant imagine this is just over some "work" issues.

Columbine dudes had just about all that over some bullying emo issues?

Total myth, the Columbine kids were the bullies.

just saying 2 kids had a lot of get up for their attack over whatever issues they had

 

[jamny]

Sorry but I'll repeat again that terrorists in San Bernardino just doesn't make too much sense.

Well to a certain extent it does. Their ultimate goal is to gain power through fear. And hitting random senseless targets like that sends a message that no one is safe anywhere. Not even at your company Christmas party in a rental hall in some rando city.

I think there are other factors at work here that make it seem odd if this were ISIS, like the fact that they only seemed to target that one particular room and wore masks to hide their identities. I don't think that fits the typical MO.

Who knows at this point. It's all very odd.

Maybe. But it really doesn't fit the pattern. New York, Paris, London. Terrorists strike these places not only because they strike fear but also because they represent the heart of western cosmopolitanism-everything about us they hate the most.

You keep saying this but a small radicalized group would have no problem striking fear in their own hometown. No need for the bigger stage.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehow

http://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

So a health inspector got his Isis buddies together and..... ???

...rated China Doll a 94.

Hm, Grade A. I think we can rule out the restaurant owner, no motive.

Try the Lo Mein.

 

[Ilov80s]

So the angles are angry employee? Muslim terrorism? Narco terrorism? Those don't seem to add up. Anti government domestic terrorism seems most likely.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

So we have us citizens with "ethnic Muslim" names ??

Pumping the brakes but the gas pedal is stuck

if only we had some way of tracking them

 

[Soulfly3]

wtf is going on at this apartment they're about to raid?

apparently being ridiculously cautious acc to reports.

 

[Uncle CornCob]

so they get in and out and go back home . Cops have a name and check the address and find the vehicle there

 

[Guest]

Why not give it 48 hours to, I don't know, gather some facts?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehowhttp://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

So a health inspector got his Isis buddies together and..... ???

I believe he knew the people at the Xmas party, it was a county health group, he works for the county

I read this theory early on but I managed to restrain myself from posting it. It never clicked. Ok so there's an Arab or mideastern guy who worked for the county. He blew up this Christmas party.... why? He hates Christmas? Soft target? Do Isis terrorists work as health inspectors? I can see how he was there, I could see how he maybe even had an argument there, but he, the health inspector, leaves and comes back with two beserker terrorists?

 

[comfortably numb]

Why not give it 48 hours to, I don't know, gather some facts?

agreed, or wait to see if any rainbows appear?

 

[AnonymousBob]

Seems weird to leave Redlands and drive back into SB - you got the desert and Big Bear area if you are trying to get away.

They enforced a warrant at this property in Redlands:

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/80-N-Center-St_Redlands_CA_92373_M22150-01431

https://twitter.com/TheFactsSandra

Man, everything hitting close to home recently. Friend's son was part of the arresting officers in Colorado and today's attack happened where my friend works, and now they're raiding an apartment real close to where other friends currently live. Just... Heartbreaking stuff that happens way too often. Hopefully we can address these issues without needing it to happen in everyone's backyard.

 

[culdeus]

Why not give it 48 hours to, I don't know, gather some facts?

no fun in that

I'm gonna assume they were ISIS Trump Voters

 

[sho nuff]

So we have us citizens with "ethnic Muslim" names ??

Pumping the brakes but the gas pedal is stuck

if only we had some way of tracking them

This schtick isnt funny and totally played out...

 

[Uncle CornCob]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehowhttp://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

So a health inspector got his Isis buddies together and..... ???

I believe he knew the people at the Xmas party, it was a county health group, he works for the county

I read this theory early on but I managed to restrain myself from posting it. It never clicked. Ok so there's an Arab or mideastern guy who worked for the county. He blew up this Christmas party.... why? Do Isis terrorists work as health inspectors? I can see how he was there, I could see how he maybe even had an argument there, but he, the health inspector, leaves and comes back with two beserker terrorists?

Well we are the land of handouts but even domestic isis guys need to work for money

 

[PatsWillWin]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehowhttp://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

So a health inspector got his Isis buddies together and..... ???

I believe he knew the people at the Xmas party, it was a county health group, he works for the county

I read this theory early on but I managed to restrain myself from posting it. It never clicked. Ok so there's an Arab or mideastern guy who worked for the county. He blew up this Christmas party.... why? He hates Christmas? Soft target? Do Isis terrorists work as health inspectors? I can see how he was there, I could see how he maybe even had an argument there, but he, the health inspector, leaves and comes back with two beserker terrorists?

Could just be a regular (Mohammad) Joe who becomes radicalized with a couple of his friends/siblings, decides he wants to do some terrorism and figures, hey, Angie from accounting sucks. Go with what you know.

Or, you know, any other purely speculative theory.

 

[mr roboto]

Wait why were they having a Christmas party already?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehowhttp://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

So a health inspector got his Isis buddies together and..... ???

I believe he knew the people at the Xmas party, it was a county health group, he works for the county

I read this theory early on but I managed to restrain myself from posting it. It never clicked. Ok so there's an Arab or mideastern guy who worked for the county. He blew up this Christmas party.... why? Do Isis terrorists work as health inspectors? I can see how he was there, I could see how he maybe even had an argument there, but he, the health inspector, leaves and comes back with two beserker terrorists?

Well we are the land of handouts but even domestic isis guys need to work for money

Ehhhh, I don't think so. The modern Isis/AQ terrorist is a schlub, the MO is a young guy who is basically a loser. Most of them are typically pot smoking aimless disco club attending bums..... then they suddenly find Allah and find "purpose". I don't think health inspector fits.

 

[Soulfly3]

Wait why were they having a Christmas party already?

maybe a politically correct "holiday party", far away enough from xmas, that no one could sue them

 

[comfortably numb]

Wait why were they having a Christmas party already?

Holiday Party

This way not too close to any specific holiday

 

[Fennis]

Wait why were they having a Christmas party already?

My work Christmas holiday party is this week.

 

[Capella]

https://twitter.com/nydailynews/status/672234341800521728

Second try

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Wait why were they having a Christmas party already?

Yeah, let's put that one to the side for the moment...

 

[TPW]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehowhttp://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

So a health inspector got his Isis buddies together and..... ???

I believe he knew the people at the Xmas party, it was a county health group, he works for the county

I read this theory early on but I managed to restrain myself from posting it. It never clicked. Ok so there's an Arab or mideastern guy who worked for the county. He blew up this Christmas party.... why? Do Isis terrorists work as health inspectors? I can see how he was there, I could see how he maybe even had an argument there, but he, the health inspector, leaves and comes back with two beserker terrorists?

Well we are the land of handouts but even domestic isis guys need to work for money

Ehhhh, I don't think so. The modern Isis/AQ terrorist is a schlub, the MO is a young guy who is basically a loser. Most of them are typically pot smoking aimless disco club attending losers..... then they suddenly find Allah and find "purpose". I don't think health inspector fits.

Why not? Have you ever heard of a sleeper cell?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehowhttp://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

So a health inspector got his Isis buddies together and..... ???

I believe he knew the people at the Xmas party, it was a county health group, he works for the county

I read this theory early on but I managed to restrain myself from posting it. It never clicked. Ok so there's an Arab or mideastern guy who worked for the county. He blew up this Christmas party.... why? He hates Christmas? Soft target? Do Isis terrorists work as health inspectors? I can see how he was there, I could see how he maybe even had an argument there, but he, the health inspector, leaves and comes back with two beserker terrorists?

Could just be a regular (Mohammad) Joe who becomes radicalized with a couple of his friends/siblings, decides he wants to do some terrorism and figures, hey, Angie from accounting sucks. Go with what you know.

Or, you know, any other purely speculative theory.

Sure, put it up the wall for now, but I don't think it's gonna stick.

 

[comfortably numb]

Was the female the one extracted from the SUV?

 

[comfortably numb]

https://twitter.com/nydailynews/status/672234341800521728

Second try

Way to deliver!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Syed Farook worked as a health inspector, they were on him right away somehowhttp://www.sbcounty.gov/dehs/reports/DAGM6W1EQ.pdf

So a health inspector got his Isis buddies together and..... ???

I believe he knew the people at the Xmas party, it was a county health group, he works for the county

I read this theory early on but I managed to restrain myself from posting it. It never clicked. Ok so there's an Arab or mideastern guy who worked for the county. He blew up this Christmas party.... why? Do Isis terrorists work as health inspectors? I can see how he was there, I could see how he maybe even had an argument there, but he, the health inspector, leaves and comes back with two beserker terrorists?

Well we are the land of handouts but even domestic isis guys need to work for money

Ehhhh, I don't think so. The modern Isis/AQ terrorist is a schlub, the MO is a young guy who is basically a loser. Most of them are typically pot smoking aimless disco club attending losers..... then they suddenly find Allah and find "purpose". I don't think health inspector fits.

Why not? Have you ever heard of a sleeper cell?

Ok sure, yes, of course. Maybe you will be proved right. No one knows anything right now.

 

[Soulfly3]

Was the female the one extracted from the SUV?

correct