14 Killed in Shooting in San Bernardino (1 Viewer)

[Arizona Ron]

And I absolutely dispute your claim. There are no equivalent "clowns" as you call them on the Democrat side. You may disagree with Hillary and Bernie but they're serious people and their political positions are not based on ignorance fear or bigotry.

 

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I'm actually surprised we haven't had an incident where someone with CCW tries to stop an active shooter situation and ends up getting shot by the cops.

A guy interviewed last night was there and armed. He ran out when he heard the commotion and ended up hiding. He claims they drove past him and he pulled out his gun ,but decided not to shoot because he wasn't sure who was inside.

Good for him. If you're CCW, you don't shoot just to shoot.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Let's get back to these 14 victims, 17 others wounded trying to pull through and also it still seems premature to lump this into global terrorism. The more we learn the more it seems like the jihadist factor wasn't the actual back story. It might have been an obvious trigger point but it seems like this individual might have had some serious mental problems long before he began to possibly worship ISIS.

I do agree with the notion that others have presented that we don't want to run around demonizing Muslims, if I portrayed that idea in any way I do apologize. That said, we need to be honest about the majority of the folks carrying out the attacks. If we had lifelong Americans who were Christians and suddenly switching religions and carrying out terrorist acts then we might have some reason to not be as profiling as we are. When Shirley the Soccer Mom comes walking into the Publix strapped with a suicide vest loaded with explosives a handful of times...then maybe I will start profiling them more.

 

[Drifter]

And I absolutely dispute your claim. There are no equivalent "clowns" as you call them on the Democrat side. You may disagree with Hillary and Bernie but they're serious people and their political positions are not based on ignorance fear or bigotry.

You can't be serious (but I know you are). Wow. "All the bad apples are on the Republican side and none of the same exists on my side"

Priceless

hey now, he's a centrist moderate remember?

Don't know why I'm bothering but a large part of the political problem in this country lies in this "if his opinion differs from mine, he's more liberal/conservative than centrist".

 

[tdoss]

After the Paris thing and now this...I wonder what are female martyrs offered in the afterlife?

Do they also get 72 virgins? What woman would want that?

 

[Willie Neslon]

Who cares about Trump? He's not winning anything. He's consumed right now about telling everyone he's right in remembering something that never happened. His ego is so big he can't admit he simply conflated seeing people in the west bank celebrate after 9/11 with something else. What the heck happened at the black leaders conference the other day? A complete embarrassment. He had to call the girl from his reality show to stand next to him while he was trashed only a few feet away by the people from the conference. He's so thinned skinned he's a parody of himself at this point. He has no organization within the campaign, he can never win in a caucus state like Iowa. If there are people who back him at this point who really cares? They're all easily swayed, low information voters anyway. They likely won't vote or something shiny will pull them to another candidate. They just like that Trump says outrageous things.

 

[Scoresman]

After the Paris thing and now this...I wonder what are female martyrs offered in the afterlife?

Do they also get 72 virgins? What woman would want that?

They get 72 black men.

 

[Arizona Ron]

Who cares about Trump? He's not winning anything. He's consumed right now about telling everyone he's right in remembering something that never happened. His ego is so big he can't admit he simply conflated seeing people in the west bank celebrate after 9/11 with something else. What the heck happened at the black leaders conference the other day? A complete embarrassment. He had to call the girl from his reality show to stand next to him while he was trashed only a few feet away by the people from the conference. He's so thinned skinned he's a parody of himself at this point. He has no organization within the campaign, he can never win in a caucus state like Iowa. If there are people who back him at this point who really cares? Their all easily swayed, low information voters anyway. They likely won't vote or something shiny will pull them to another candidate. They just like that Trump says outrageous things.

Did you see his jet? It's bad###!

 

[Slapdash]

Dear Tim: Shut the #### up

 

[glock]

And I absolutely dispute your claim. There are no equivalent "clowns" as you call them on the Democrat side. You may disagree with Hillary and Bernie but they're serious people and their political positions are not based on ignorance fear or bigotry.

You can't be serious (but I know you are). Wow. "All the bad apples are on the Republican side and none of the same exists on my side"

Priceless

To be fair, Tim said "clowns" not "bad apples." The 'Pub's are definitely winning the clown race- is that in dispute?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Let's get back to these 14 victims, 17 others wounded trying to pull through and also it still seems premature to lump this into global terrorism. The more we learn the more it seems like the jihadist factor wasn't the actual back story. It might have been an obvious trigger point but it seems like this individual might have had some serious mental problems long before he began to possibly worship ISIS.

I do agree with the notion that others have presented that we don't want to run around demonizing Muslims, if I portrayed that idea in any way I do apologize. That said, we need to be honest about the majority of the folks carrying out the attacks. If we had lifelong Americans who were Christians and suddenly switching religions and carrying out terrorist acts then we might have some reason to not be as profiling as we are. When Shirley the Soccer Mom comes walking into the Publix strapped with a suicide vest loaded with explosives a handful of times...then maybe I will start profiling them more.

Way to focus on the victims for half a sentence.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

And I absolutely dispute your claim. There are no equivalent "clowns" as you call them on the Democrat side. You may disagree with Hillary and Bernie but they're serious people and their political positions are not based on ignorance fear or bigotry.

If anyone did take Timmy seriously or believe has was anything more than a troll, surely this puts an end to it, right?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

His ego is so big he can't admit he simply conflated seeing people in the west bank celebrate after 9/11 with something else.

I would like to get back on topic but for the record I was 27 yrs old when 9/11 happened and I remember one of the news outlets and for whatever reason I will say Fox News showed groups of folks in Palestine on the West Bank cheering when they heard America was attacked. I'm not sure why this would be hard to believe and I didn't know Trump was being called on the carpet over it.

Was Fox News incorrect in their footage they showed on the air? Absolutley possible but I also remember media outlets running video of Muslims cheering right after 9/11. This country was about 85% go get those mofo bleepholes whatever the cost. Now things are different and even if a terrorist attack perpetrated by ISIS were to happen here in America I'm not so sure everyone would still be so eager to send young men overseas.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Let's get back to these 14 victims, 17 others wounded trying to pull through and also it still seems premature to lump this into global terrorism. The more we learn the more it seems like the jihadist factor wasn't the actual back story. It might have been an obvious trigger point but it seems like this individual might have had some serious mental problems long before he began to possibly worship ISIS.

I do agree with the notion that others have presented that we don't want to run around demonizing Muslims, if I portrayed that idea in any way I do apologize. That said, we need to be honest about the majority of the folks carrying out the attacks. If we had lifelong Americans who were Christians and suddenly switching religions and carrying out terrorist acts then we might have some reason to not be as profiling as we are. When Shirley the Soccer Mom comes walking into the Publix strapped with a suicide vest loaded with explosives a handful of times...then maybe I will start profiling them more.

Way to focus on the victims for half a sentence.

I try to be fair and balanced.

 

[Jayrod]

Let's get back to these 14 victims, 17 others wounded trying to pull through and also it still seems premature to lump this into global terrorism. The more we learn the more it seems like the jihadist factor wasn't the actual back story. It might have been an obvious trigger point but it seems like this individual might have had some serious mental problems long before he began to possibly worship ISIS.

I do agree with the notion that others have presented that we don't want to run around demonizing Muslims, if I portrayed that idea in any way I do apologize. That said, we need to be honest about the majority of the folks carrying out the attacks. If we had lifelong Americans who were Christians and suddenly switching religions and carrying out terrorist acts then we might have some reason to not be as profiling as we are. When Shirley the Soccer Mom comes walking into the Publix strapped with a suicide vest loaded with explosives a handful of times...then maybe I will start profiling them more.

Way to focus on the victims for half a sentence.

He exhibits less focus than my 9 year old son.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Like Mr Rodger's mom telling young Fred to look for the helpers during a tragedy, I always try to find positives when confronted with situations like this.

OK guys, I've been sucessfully chased back into my thread. That's what some of you wanted and so you have it.

I can't stand what I read anymore. I literally can't stand being in those threads and having to argue with people defending Trump, or the worst sort of racial profiling, or hatred and ignorance. It appalls me.

So I'm going to stay in here. I'll limit my commentary to this thread and if it annoys anyone, too ####### bad. Don't open it up if you don't like what I have to say. On the other hand if you truly want a detailed conversation with me about any of these issues (or anything else that's interesting) I would like nothing more.

I will continue to offer up my 100 favorite novels.

 

[Arizona Ron]

Let's get back to these 14 victims, 17 others wounded trying to pull through and also it still seems premature to lump this into global terrorism. The more we learn the more it seems like the jihadist factor wasn't the actual back story. It might have been an obvious trigger point but it seems like this individual might have had some serious mental problems long before he began to possibly worship ISIS.

I do agree with the notion that others have presented that we don't want to run around demonizing Muslims, if I portrayed that idea in any way I do apologize. That said, we need to be honest about the majority of the folks carrying out the attacks. If we had lifelong Americans who were Christians and suddenly switching religions and carrying out terrorist acts then we might have some reason to not be as profiling as we are. When Shirley the Soccer Mom comes walking into the Publix strapped with a suicide vest loaded with explosives a handful of times...then maybe I will start profiling them more.

Way to focus on the victims for half a sentence.

He exhibits less focus than my 9 year old son.

It's like he just copy/pasted a bunch of tweets.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Let's get back to these 14 victims, 17 others wounded trying to pull through and also it still seems premature to lump this into global terrorism. The more we learn the more it seems like the jihadist factor wasn't the actual back story. It might have been an obvious trigger point but it seems like this individual might have had some serious mental problems long before he began to possibly worship ISIS.

I do agree with the notion that others have presented that we don't want to run around demonizing Muslims, if I portrayed that idea in any way I do apologize. That said, we need to be honest about the majority of the folks carrying out the attacks. If we had lifelong Americans who were Christians and suddenly switching religions and carrying out terrorist acts then we might have some reason to not be as profiling as we are. When Shirley the Soccer Mom comes walking into the Publix strapped with a suicide vest loaded with explosives a handful of times...then maybe I will start profiling them more.

Way to focus on the victims for half a sentence.

He exhibits less focus than my 9 year old son.

FTR: I believe it's important to focus in on the mental health angle than the terrorist link. This will not be nor has it been an isolated incident. I think mentally unstable folks to begin with are going to find ISIS or the jihadist brand potentially appealing to launch some of their sick twisted ideas into action. So in one sense you can say I have short attention span I can't argue with you there, most of my friends will tell you I listen to the first few seconds and then fill in the blanks form there based on my life lessons. That might not be right but its gotten me pretty far in life I would say.

Cast iron cookware accept no substitutes...or I can listen to every pitchman that comes down the pike and tries to convince me that whatever the new latest and greatest is better so I spend hours of my time and money trying it and then learn just like the other 99 inferior products before it that I shouldn't have even wasted my time to begin with or I could learn a real lesson here and have cut this person off to begin with and just said no thanks I know better.

You see we have forgotten to teach our young folks that there really are some things in life that are real like Newton's Law of Gravity. We don't need to keep debating it, we know it happens and is working, we can see it right in front of us. But we now teach youngsters to constantly question themselves and look for some answer that either doesn't exist or is sitting right in front of us. I instill in my students to think for themselves and not allow themselves to be easily persuaded by those that don't have their(students) best interests.

 

[Dickies]

Let's get back to these 14 victims, 17 others wounded trying to pull through and also it still seems premature to lump this into global terrorism. The more we learn the more it seems like the jihadist factor wasn't the actual back story. It might have been an obvious trigger point but it seems like this individual might have had some serious mental problems long before he began to possibly worship ISIS.

I do agree with the notion that others have presented that we don't want to run around demonizing Muslims, if I portrayed that idea in any way I do apologize. That said, we need to be honest about the majority of the folks carrying out the attacks. If we had lifelong Americans who were Christians and suddenly switching religions and carrying out terrorist acts then we might have some reason to not be as profiling as we are. When Shirley the Soccer Mom comes walking into the Publix strapped with a suicide vest loaded with explosives a handful of times...then maybe I will start profiling them more.

Way to focus on the victims for half a sentence.

 

[Bucky86]

WTF is MOP babbling about?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I thought he quit FBGs?

 

[Uber]

It's perfectly fine to report suspicious behavior. But what is suspicious behavior? If one of the components to that behavior is the appearance of the person doing it (Middle Eastern in this discussion) then it's not fine.

In other words if you report a Middle Eastern looking person doing something you regard as suspicious, but would not report a white person that was doing the EXACT SAME THING, then you're acting in a bigoted manner, and it's not OK.

That's horse####.

Suicide via political correctness.

 

[chauncey]

Apologies to all if I went a little overboard with my comment. But I was truly offended by the original statement. The leading candidate in the Republican Party says we should be killing family members of terrorists- family members! I don't see how it gets much worse than that.

I hate to break it to you Tim but the actual President agrees with Trump. See: drone program.

 

[Willie Neslon]

His ego is so big he can't admit he simply conflated seeing people in the west bank celebrate after 9/11 with something else.

I would like to get back on topic but for the record I was 27 yrs old when 9/11 happened and I remember one of the news outlets and for whatever reason I will say Fox News showed groups of folks in Palestine on the West Bank cheering when they heard America was attacked. I'm not sure why this would be hard to believe and I didn't know Trump was being called on the carpet over it.

Was Fox News incorrect in their footage they showed on the air? Absolutley possible but I also remember media outlets running video of Muslims cheering right after 9/11. This country was about 85% go get those mofo bleepholes whatever the cost. Now things are different and even if a terrorist attack perpetrated by ISIS were to happen here in America I'm not so sure everyone would still be so eager to send young men overseas.

Yes, they showed people in the west bank cheering. I remember it. I specifically remember and old woman cheering and thinking what the hell is wrong with her. Trump is saying what he saw, the groups of people cheering, happened in New Jersey. It didn't.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Let's get back to these 14 victims, 17 others wounded trying to pull through and also it still seems premature to lump this into global terrorism. The more we learn the more it seems like the jihadist factor wasn't the actual back story. It might have been an obvious trigger point but it seems like this individual might have had some serious mental problems long before he began to possibly worship ISIS.

I do agree with the notion that others have presented that we don't want to run around demonizing Muslims, if I portrayed that idea in any way I do apologize. That said, we need to be honest about the majority of the folks carrying out the attacks. If we had lifelong Americans who were Christians and suddenly switching religions and carrying out terrorist acts then we might have some reason to not be as profiling as we are. When Shirley the Soccer Mom comes walking into the Publix strapped with a suicide vest loaded with explosives a handful of times...then maybe I will start profiling them more.

Way to focus on the victims for half a sentence.

He exhibits less focus than my 9 year old son.

FTR: I believe it's important to focus in on the mental health angle than the terrorist link. This will not be nor has it been an isolated incident. I think mentally unstable folks to begin with are going to find ISIS or the jihadist brand potentially appealing to launch some of their sick twisted ideas into action. So in one sense you can say I have short attention span I can't argue with you there, most of my friends will tell you I listen to the first few seconds and then fill in the blanks form there based on my life lessons. That might not be right but its gotten me pretty far in life I would say.

Cast iron cookware accept no substitutes...or I can listen to every pitchman that comes down the pike and tries to convince me that whatever the new latest and greatest is better so I spend hours of my time and money trying it and then learn just like the other 99 inferior products before it that I shouldn't have even wasted my time to begin with or I could learn a real lesson here and have cut this person off to begin with and just said no thanks I know better.

You see we have forgotten to teach our young folks that there really are some things in life that are real like Newton's Law of Gravity. We don't need to keep debating it, we know it happens and is working, we can see it right in front of us. But we now teach youngsters to constantly question themselves and look for some answer that either doesn't exist or is sitting right in front of us. I instill in my students to think for themselves and not allow themselves to be easily persuaded by those that don't have their(students) best interests.

This is terrible logic.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Apologies to all if I went a little overboard with my comment. But I was truly offended by the original statement. The leading candidate in the Republican Party says we should be killing family members of terrorists- family members! I don't see how it gets much worse than that.

I hate to break it to you Tim but the actual President agrees with Trump. See: drone program.

No.

I'm not a fan of the drone program but there is a yuuuuge difference between regrettably taking innocent lives as collateral damage and purposely targeting them. Your definition would mean that George Bush and the GOP intentionally murdered tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians; ie that we're just as awful as the terrorists say we are.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

His ego is so big he can't admit he simply conflated seeing people in the west bank celebrate after 9/11 with something else.

I would like to get back on topic but for the record I was 27 yrs old when 9/11 happened and I remember one of the news outlets and for whatever reason I will say Fox News showed groups of folks in Palestine on the West Bank cheering when they heard America was attacked. I'm not sure why this would be hard to believe and I didn't know Trump was being called on the carpet over it.

Was Fox News incorrect in their footage they showed on the air? Absolutley possible but I also remember media outlets running video of Muslims cheering right after 9/11. This country was about 85% go get those mofo bleepholes whatever the cost. Now things are different and even if a terrorist attack perpetrated by ISIS were to happen here in America I'm not so sure everyone would still be so eager to send young men overseas.

Yes, they showed people in the west bank cheering. I remember it. I specifically remember and old woman cheering and thinking what the hell is wrong with her. Trump is saying what he saw, the groups of people cheering, happened in New Jersey. It didn't.

OK now I get it. I distinctly remember some woman in a VW Van from the 70s cheering and if I were being honest it looked like the equivalent of a Palestinian Soccer Mom meaning these weren't Palestinian Authorities but probably just regular folks listening to some filtered news.

So Trump thinks he saw folks in NJ cheering? I would want to see the video but that seems like a weird thing to want to get focused on.

 

[CBusAlex]

Can we get MOP his own thread, too?

 

[Billy Bats]

Trying to get caught up and yes I'm way behind. Any more raids looking for others in cahoots with this bomb building garage?

Whatever happened to the third shooter who was supposedly detained? Did that really happen or it was it just Mickey and Mallory doing the shooting?

Tia.

 

[Bucky86]

Trying to get caught up and yes I'm way behind. Any more raids looking for others in cahoots with this bomb building garage?

Whatever happened to the third shooter who was supposedly detained? Did that really happen or it was it just Mickey and Mallory doing the shooting?

Tia.

No 3rd shooter. Was a guy running away when they started shooting up the SUV.

 

[Willie Neslon]

His ego is so big he can't admit he simply conflated seeing people in the west bank celebrate after 9/11 with something else.

I would like to get back on topic but for the record I was 27 yrs old when 9/11 happened and I remember one of the news outlets and for whatever reason I will say Fox News showed groups of folks in Palestine on the West Bank cheering when they heard America was attacked. I'm not sure why this would be hard to believe and I didn't know Trump was being called on the carpet over it.

Was Fox News incorrect in their footage they showed on the air? Absolutley possible but I also remember media outlets running video of Muslims cheering right after 9/11. This country was about 85% go get those mofo bleepholes whatever the cost. Now things are different and even if a terrorist attack perpetrated by ISIS were to happen here in America I'm not so sure everyone would still be so eager to send young men overseas.

Yes, they showed people in the west bank cheering. I remember it. I specifically remember and old woman cheering and thinking what the hell is wrong with her. Trump is saying what he saw, the groups of people cheering, happened in New Jersey. It didn't.

OK now I get it. I distinctly remember some woman in a VW Van from the 70s cheering and if I were being honest it looked like the equivalent of a Palestinian Soccer Mom meaning these weren't Palestinian Authorities but probably just regular folks listening to some filtered news.

So Trump thinks he saw folks in NJ cheering? I would want to see the video but that seems like a weird thing to want to get focused on.

See what video? Trump saying it happened in NJ? His campaign for the last few weeks has been almost completely about this. Here is the video of people in the west bank cheering.

 

[sho nuff]

Trying to get caught up and yes I'm way behind. Any more raids looking for others in cahoots with this bomb building garage?

Whatever happened to the third shooter who was supposedly detained? Did that really happen or it was it just Mickey and Mallory doing the shooting?

Tia.

No 3rd shooter. Was a guy running away when they started shooting up the SUV.

Yup...questioned and not a suspect. Bad luck though as he was boked with an outstanding warrant for a misdemeanor.

 

[jonessed]

Do people actually believe Trump is a republican. Bwahahahaaaa

What % of Republicans (including Trump's supporters) believe Trump is a Republican?Or, to put it another way: What % of Republicans are gullible fools?

He's a Republican. He's just not one of those wacko Tea Party types. He's not talking about abortion or getting Christianity back in school so he's not "republican enough" for some.

He has donated to a lot of Democrats.

He's not a Democrat or a Republican, he's an opportunist. He will be whatever he needs to be to get what he wants.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Let's get back to these 14 victims, 17 others wounded trying to pull through and also it still seems premature to lump this into global terrorism. The more we learn the more it seems like the jihadist factor wasn't the actual back story. It might have been an obvious trigger point but it seems like this individual might have had some serious mental problems long before he began to possibly worship ISIS.

I do agree with the notion that others have presented that we don't want to run around demonizing Muslims, if I portrayed that idea in any way I do apologize. That said, we need to be honest about the majority of the folks carrying out the attacks. If we had lifelong Americans who were Christians and suddenly switching religions and carrying out terrorist acts then we might have some reason to not be as profiling as we are. When Shirley the Soccer Mom comes walking into the Publix strapped with a suicide vest loaded with explosives a handful of times...then maybe I will start profiling them more.

Way to focus on the victims for half a sentence.

He exhibits less focus than my 9 year old son.

FTR: I believe it's important to focus in on the mental health angle than the terrorist link. This will not be nor has it been an isolated incident. I think mentally unstable folks to begin with are going to find ISIS or the jihadist brand potentially appealing to launch some of their sick twisted ideas into action. So in one sense you can say I have short attention span I can't argue with you there, most of my friends will tell you I listen to the first few seconds and then fill in the blanks form there based on my life lessons. That might not be right but its gotten me pretty far in life I would say.

Cast iron cookware accept no substitutes...or I can listen to every pitchman that comes down the pike and tries to convince me that whatever the new latest and greatest is better so I spend hours of my time and money trying it and then learn just like the other 99 inferior products before it that I shouldn't have even wasted my time to begin with or I could learn a real lesson here and have cut this person off to begin with and just said no thanks I know better.

You see we have forgotten to teach our young folks that there really are some things in life that are real like Newton's Law of Gravity. We don't need to keep debating it, we know it happens and is working, we can see it right in front of us. But we now teach youngsters to constantly question themselves and look for some answer that either doesn't exist or is sitting right in front of us. I instill in my students to think for themselves and not allow themselves to be easily persuaded by those that don't have their(students) best interests.

This is terrible logic.

You can feel that way but I have limited time on this Earth. You can find a crust of bread in a trash dump, doesn't make it a good place to look for a meal. I cut folks off when I think I have heard enough. Why listen to them ramble when you know the talking point they are getting to. And that is what is frustrating at times with different folks. I have a lot of close friends who know to get to the point quickly or else I will do it for them...

Children love to do this to me as a teacher...they start whipping up a good story and I'll say "Is all this so you can go to the bathroom?"...and then they start hemming and hawing and "Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll" OK so let's just cut the shenanigans and get to the point. "I told you when you finish that math problem you are working on you can go." I'm using basic examples but you get the idea. I don't need to hear anything else from a Catholic Priest the rest of my life. I studied it all, grew up in the church, understand the message, I'm good and I reject most of it. I don't need a fresh look at the material is what I'm saying.

 

[AnonymousBob]

Let's get back to these 14 victims, 17 others wounded trying to pull through and also it still seems premature to lump this into global terrorism. The more we learn the more it seems like the jihadist factor wasn't the actual back story. It might have been an obvious trigger point but it seems like this individual might have had some serious mental problems long before he began to possibly worship ISIS.

I do agree with the notion that others have presented that we don't want to run around demonizing Muslims, if I portrayed that idea in any way I do apologize. That said, we need to be honest about the majority of the folks carrying out the attacks. If we had lifelong Americans who were Christians and suddenly switching religions and carrying out terrorist acts then we might have some reason to not be as profiling as we are. When Shirley the Soccer Mom comes walking into the Publix strapped with a suicide vest loaded with explosives a handful of times...then maybe I will start profiling them more.

Way to focus on the victims for half a sentence.

He exhibits less focus than my 9 year old son.

FTR: I believe it's important to focus in on the mental health angle than the terrorist link. This will not be nor has it been an isolated incident. I think mentally unstable folks to begin with are going to find ISIS or the jihadist brand potentially appealing to launch some of their sick twisted ideas into action. So in one sense you can say I have short attention span I can't argue with you there, most of my friends will tell you I listen to the first few seconds and then fill in the blanks form there based on my life lessons. That might not be right but its gotten me pretty far in life I would say.

Cast iron cookware accept no substitutes...or I can listen to every pitchman that comes down the pike and tries to convince me that whatever the new latest and greatest is better so I spend hours of my time and money trying it and then learn just like the other 99 inferior products before it that I shouldn't have even wasted my time to begin with or I could learn a real lesson here and have cut this person off to begin with and just said no thanks I know better.

You see we have forgotten to teach our young folks that there really are some things in life that are real like Newton's Law of Gravity. We don't need to keep debating it, we know it happens and is working, we can see it right in front of us. But we now teach youngsters to constantly question themselves and look for some answer that either doesn't exist or is sitting right in front of us. I instill in my students to think for themselves and not allow themselves to be easily persuaded by those that don't have their(students) best interests.

This is terrible logic.

You can feel that way but I have limited time on this Earth. You can find a crust of bread in a trash dump, doesn't make it a good place to look for a meal. I cut folks off when I think I have heard enough. Why listen to them ramble when you know the talking point they are getting to. And that is what is frustrating at times with different folks. I have a lot of close friends who know to get to the point quickly or else I will do it for them...

Children love to do this to me as a teacher...they start whipping up a good story and I'll say "Is all this so you can go to the bathroom?"...and then they start hemming and hawing and "Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll" OK so let's just cut the shenanigans and get to the point. "I told you when you finish that math problem you are working on you can go." I'm using basic examples but you get the idea. I don't need to hear anything else from a Catholic Priest the rest of my life. I studied it all, grew up in the church, understand the message, I'm good and I reject most of it. I don't need a fresh look at the material is what I'm saying.

It's probably why I'm still reading your posts because I have zero clue what, if any, points you are trying to make.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Do people actually believe Trump is a republican. Bwahahahaaaa

What % of Republicans (including Trump's supporters) believe Trump is a Republican?Or, to put it another way: What % of Republicans are gullible fools?

He's a Republican. He's just not one of those wacko Tea Party types. He's not talking about abortion or getting Christianity back in school so he's not "republican enough" for some.

He has donated to a lot of Democrats.

He's not a Democrat or a Republican, he's an opportunist. He will be whatever he needs to be to get what he wants.

Exactly.

 

[kOOk]

Let's get back to these 14 victims, 17 others wounded trying to pull through and also it still seems premature to lump this into global terrorism. The more we learn the more it seems like the jihadist factor wasn't the actual back story. It might have been an obvious trigger point but it seems like this individual might have had some serious mental problems long before he began to possibly worship ISIS.

I do agree with the notion that others have presented that we don't want to run around demonizing Muslims, if I portrayed that idea in any way I do apologize. That said, we need to be honest about the majority of the folks carrying out the attacks. If we had lifelong Americans who were Christians and suddenly switching religions and carrying out terrorist acts then we might have some reason to not be as profiling as we are. When Shirley the Soccer Mom comes walking into the Publix strapped with a suicide vest loaded with explosives a handful of times...then maybe I will start profiling them more.

Way to focus on the victims for half a sentence.

lofl

 

[Uber]

Apologies to all if I went a little overboard with my comment. But I was truly offended by the original statement. The leading candidate in the Republican Party says we should be killing family members of terrorists- family members! I don't see how it gets much worse than that.

I hate to break it to you Tim but the actual President agrees with Trump. See: drone program.

No.

I'm not a fan of the drone program but there is a yuuuuge difference between regrettably taking innocent lives as collateral damage and purposely targeting them. Your definition would mean that George Bush and the GOP intentionally murdered tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians; ie that we're just as awful as the terrorists say we are.

If you drop a bomb knowing that there's going to be collateral damage, I'm not sure there is such a "yuuuuuge' difference there.

 

[whoknew]

Does the way the police responded in this case change any minds regarding the use of military style equipment for the cops?

Seems to me like it certainly did help them and saved a few lives in the process of those responding.

I was thinking the same thing. I say make sure every department has the equipment available to them if they want it.

I was one of those who were saying they shouldn't have this type of stuff because of how(for example)the Ferguson situation was handled.I think we need to be very careful in how this type of stuff is used and have very strict guidelines as to when is the right time and when it isn't.This case is certainly giving me pause to my original thinking.

The thing that changed my mind was the hollywood bank shootout. I was living in Los Angeles at the time and the robbers and the cops were riddling the guys in body armor to no effect. The cops literally commandeered an armor car to drive in a remove the wounded. Then the cops went to a local gun store to get high power assault rifles to put them down.

The police should have the capability, these situations do come up.

Pretty much never for 99.9% of police forces.And the more equipment you give them - they will want to use. So sure - it should only be used in terrorist situations. Except Memphis PD never has terrorism. But they'd sure like to use their armory. Think they will find a way?

Cops did an incredible job yesterday saving countless lives and all you can do is cry about how cops are salivating to use excess force. Man, you are pathetic.

I didn't bring this topic up. I just responded to some other people who want to expand police militarization with reality.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

It's probably why I'm still reading your posts because I have zero clue what, if any, points you are trying to make.

You're always fair and if I recall someone who also enjoys studying the psychology of others.

I am doing a lousy job of explaining myself. I feel at this point in time I have been on this planet long enough that when I hear someone regurgitating something I already know and understand well enough to carry on a conversation about, i don't need to hear the whole story again.

I form opinions and I can reshape them but usually I don't rush to judgement until i have learned a little bit about both sides of the argument. But once heard i don't need to keep reading it over and over again. I see people really question themselves when they shouldn't. We have been retrained as a society in this generation to stop and hold the train up for the Minority Percentage, not minority in terms of skin color or anything else but if 1% of the population is even remotely upset over a topic we have to stop and mandate new laws as to try and not offend anyone. And that sounds really bigoted like Tim posted but it's not.

 

[kOOk]

Trump's numbers are high because a loud minority of Republicans, around 45%, are susceptible to fear, bigotry, and ignorance.

Tim's infamous F.B.I.Fear-Guns are killing people so we must outlaw them



Bigotry-Black Lives Matter



Ignorance-We can tax our way out of this debt.



What was the opinion you wanted to project as known fact?

Hmm. I'm genuinely interested MOP: have you read any of my posts on gun control? (As recently as this morning?) How about the thread I started on Black Lives Matter? Have you read any of my thoughts about taxes?Just curious.

Tim you said 45% of GOP voters are a mix of the 3 things you listed. You make it sound like a fact and I'm pointing out the Left or DNC has their clowns as well. It's mind boggling for folks who tend to sway GOP and while labeled as such I am not, but GOP supporters before they even open their mouths are usually labeled a certain way by folks on the Left.You introduce to me a stranger and also divulge they are democrat, I don't instantly start hitting the talking points. But you introduce a Leftist to a stranger and mention they vote Republican, instant label of bigot. Now how is that fair? I remember in California when I was openly Republican how embarrassed my wife would get at functions when people discovered I didn't vote Democrat as the husband of a non profit profiteer.

I would be interested in reading it Tim but at the same time I don't have the time to invest in some of your topics and posts.

My 45% figure was based on adding up the numbers for Trump and Cruz. If I add Carson it gets even higher.And I absolutely dispute your claim. There are no equivalent "clowns" as you call them on the Democrat side. You may disagree with Hillary and Bernie but they're serious people and their political positions are not based on ignorance fear or bigotry.

Tim I have always treated you with respect even when not deserving but I need to call you out here. This is simply an opinion, one you are free to enjoy but your ammo and it been this way for a long time is to discredit the opposing poster rather than simply stating your facts and letting whatever the outcome roll with that. You try and shape the discussion to your advantage at every turn. This board is a board game of fun for you and by all means have at it but like others post, you can keep posting your opinions till your blue in the face again and again and again but that doesn't make you right except to yourself. My bet is in the last 20 years that person hasn't been wrong about much in his head be it reality or not. And I imagine it holds true for many in the world.

You posted above that I am a bigot...how am I or anyone that doesn't a timeout supposed to respond? I can tell you this, you would never mutter those words face to face with me or with a lot of folks on here, I can assure you that. You talk a lot of spit behind that safe comfy keyboard Tim, I have been gone a good while and just came back recently when the Paris attacks hit, it was comforting to post here and I make no apologies for this. You need to get out of the house more friendo. I don't believe you would debate the way you do with others in person, if you did it wouldn't last long which is why you fuel it here on the boards.

Cheers and for the record I am not a bigot and I resent that you would even insinuate it but also recognize it covers up a lot of holes in your arguments hence the name calling. I work for a Title I school with 85% of my class African American, bigot? You come to my class and say that out loud in front of any one of my Middle School students, I wouldn't even have to respond, they would take care of it for me. That was really a bottom of the barrel post from you, Tim.

can't we all just get along?

 

[Dickies]

Let's get back to these 14 victims, 17 others wounded trying to pull through and also it still seems premature to lump this into global terrorism. The more we learn the more it seems like the jihadist factor wasn't the actual back story. It might have been an obvious trigger point but it seems like this individual might have had some serious mental problems long before he began to possibly worship ISIS.

I do agree with the notion that others have presented that we don't want to run around demonizing Muslims, if I portrayed that idea in any way I do apologize. That said, we need to be honest about the majority of the folks carrying out the attacks. If we had lifelong Americans who were Christians and suddenly switching religions and carrying out terrorist acts then we might have some reason to not be as profiling as we are. When Shirley the Soccer Mom comes walking into the Publix strapped with a suicide vest loaded with explosives a handful of times...then maybe I will start profiling them more.

Way to focus on the victims for half a sentence.

He exhibits less focus than my 9 year old son.

FTR: I believe it's important to focus in on the mental health angle than the terrorist link. This will not be nor has it been an isolated incident. I think mentally unstable folks to begin with are going to find ISIS or the jihadist brand potentially appealing to launch some of their sick twisted ideas into action. So in one sense you can say I have short attention span I can't argue with you there, most of my friends will tell you I listen to the first few seconds and then fill in the blanks form there based on my life lessons. That might not be right but its gotten me pretty far in life I would say.

Cast iron cookware accept no substitutes...or I can listen to every pitchman that comes down the pike and tries to convince me that whatever the new latest and greatest is better so I spend hours of my time and money trying it and then learn just like the other 99 inferior products before it that I shouldn't have even wasted my time to begin with or I could learn a real lesson here and have cut this person off to begin with and just said no thanks I know better.

You see we have forgotten to teach our young folks that there really are some things in life that are real like Newton's Law of Gravity. We don't need to keep debating it, we know it happens and is working, we can see it right in front of us. But we now teach youngsters to constantly question themselves and look for some answer that either doesn't exist or is sitting right in front of us. I instill in my students to think for themselves and not allow themselves to be easily persuaded by those that don't have their(students) best interests.

This is terrible logic.

You can feel that way but I have limited time on this Earth. You can find a crust of bread in a trash dump, doesn't make it a good place to look for a meal. I cut folks off when I think I have heard enough. Why listen to them ramble when you know the talking point they are getting to. And that is what is frustrating at times with different folks. I have a lot of close friends who know to get to the point quickly or else I will do it for them...

Children love to do this to me as a teacher...they start whipping up a good story and I'll say "Is all this so you can go to the bathroom?"...and then they start hemming and hawing and "Welllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll" OK so let's just cut the shenanigans and get to the point. "I told you when you finish that math problem you are working on you can go." I'm using basic examples but you get the idea. I don't need to hear anything else from a Catholic Priest the rest of my life. I studied it all, grew up in the church, understand the message, I'm good and I reject most of it. I don't need a fresh look at the material is what I'm saying.

These may be the 3 most incoherent posts made in a row. I've read them all multiple times and have no idea WTF you are talking about.

 

[Ladsud]

Is this the islamic terrorist attack thread or the anti trump thread?

 

[Bucky86]

Is this the islamic terrorist attack thread or the anti trump thread?

I thought this was the Tim is a moron thread?

 

[Limp Ditka]

Someone knows the selection committee is in full gear, determining seeds

 

[AnonymousBob]

It's probably why I'm still reading your posts because I have zero clue what, if any, points you are trying to make.

You're always fair and if I recall someone who also enjoys studying the psychology of others.

I am doing a lousy job of explaining myself. I feel at this point in time I have been on this planet long enough that when I hear someone regurgitating something I already know and understand well enough to carry on a conversation about, i don't need to hear the whole story again.

I form opinions and I can reshape them but usually I don't rush to judgement until i have learned a little bit about both sides of the argument. But once heard i don't need to keep reading it over and over again. I see people really question themselves when they shouldn't. We have been retrained as a society in this generation to stop and hold the train up for the Minority Percentage, not minority in terms of skin color or anything else but if 1% of the population is even remotely upset over a topic we have to stop and mandate new laws as to try and not offend anyone. And that sounds really bigoted like Tim posted but it's not.

This thread has taken a very weird turn. I know all threads evolve (especially as they grow in size), but this line seems rather odd considering the thread started about a mass shooting.

I would argue that's the very reason you need to keep an open mind and hear the story again. Else you get stuck in your echo chamber and become a stereotypical old person. You don't listen to the same stories and arguments to hear the same stories and arguments. You listen to them because sometimes you'll actually realize your previous mindset was wrong and/or misguided, or maybe learn something new. Or just not be a bitter, close minded fool that misses out on life.

ETA - if you don't need to hear more about this shooting and the speculation thereof, why are you in this thread?

 

[comfortably numb]

Don't anyone ever question me again when I simply ask early on in a thread to not turn the thread into a debate when people want news and info.

Your welcome and thank you all in advance for future threads.

 

[Bucky86]

Don't anyone ever question me again when I simply ask early on in a thread to not turn the thread into a debate when people want news and info.

Your welcome and thank you all in advance for future threads.

I tried as well. People care more about their side "winning" than actually getting facts and info. It's a great example of our political system.

 

[jamny]

FTR...Trump said thousands upon thousands of people were celebrating in NJ on 9/11.

 

[John Bender]

Don't anyone ever question me again when I simply ask early on in a thread to not turn the thread into a debate when people want news and info.

Your welcome and thank you all in advance for future threads.

I tried as well. People care more about their side "winning" than actually getting facts and info. It's a great example of our political system.

I feel like it's time for a catch all "politics and current events" thread for people with less than 25 posts in any one other political or current events/gun control/global warming thread who just want to discuss news and maybe ask questions here and there about politics/events.

Of course, that'd just turn into one of these threads eventually right? Just with a new cast of characters?