14 Killed in Shooting in San Bernardino (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

Your ilk are those who would disagree with him no matter what he does.

And any talk of gun control at this moment is not just about the attack in Cali.

If he's going to make gun control a center piece of his speech on ISIS tomorrow, that will look extremely political and will be dismissed as a partisan speech.

What is my ilk? Are you not allowed to criticize the President when he's not leading on an issue he should? If I'm part of the ilk, does that make you part of the sheep?

I dont think it will be a centerpiece but i believe both Colo. Springs and Cali attacks will be discussed and the failed legislation.

Much os his speech will be dismissed by your ilk as Partisan.

How am I a sheep?

Because i think there are people out there who will complain no matter what he does?

Interesting

 

[cubd8]

Your ilk are those who would disagree with him no matter what he does.

And any talk of gun control at this moment is not just about the attack in Cali.

If he's going to make gun control a center piece of his speech on ISIS tomorrow, that will look extremely political and will be dismissed as a partisan speech.

What is my ilk? Are you not allowed to criticize the President when he's not leading on an issue he should? If I'm part of the ilk, does that make you part of the sheep?

I dont think it will be a centerpiece but i believe both Colo. Springs and Cali attacks will be discussed and the failed legislation.

Much os his speech will be dismissed by your ilk as Partisan.

How am I a sheep?

Because i think there are people out there who will complain no matter what he does?

Interesting

So, if you disagree with points in his speech, you're part of the "ilk".

I don't know you're political positions, but I'm getting an impression that you'd support anything he says unless it's not far enough left for you. Is that fair? If not, I guess you're not part of that particular "ilk".

I do think it's completely fair to criticize the President, and not be part of an "ilk". You may not.

Interesting.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Peter Baker ‏@peterbakernyt 31m31 minutes ago

Obama to address the nation tomorrow at 8 pm

Peter Baker ‏@peterbakernyt 25m25 minutes ago

Obama "will also discuss the broader threat of terrorism, including the nature of the threat, how it has evolved, and how we will defeat it"

Will this turn into another plea for more gun control?

My guess?

Last night I went to the movie in the burbs. Parish deputies were in the lobby, there was a police helicopter overhead. I don't recall ever seeing that.

My guess is he's being told people are worried going into the holiday season. And he's being told there are a lot of legitimate ISIS/AQ/terror investigations going on, many more than people would realize. I think he will address Isis, terrorism, Paris and SB as a terror attack and remind people that they are being protected.

At the same time I expect he will conflate the SB attack with the Col. Springs attack and maybe even mention Roof and all the mass shootings we've had, 'enough is enough' etc., intertwine in some gun control policy measures that he would like to see passed. As is his history he may say that if Congress doesn't act he will. Executive action is likely on the table.

He will probably close with an assurance that we have great security (which we do) and that everyone should have a peaceful, confident holiday season.

 

[sho nuff]

Ive said what the ilk is, your attempts to change what i said are pretty weak.

And no, not clise as im not left of Obama at all. Socially liberal in some things, fiscally more conservative but a realist. And know that unless taxes are raised, there is no way to pay for any of the candidates plans without going further in the red.

Obama...didnt vote for him once...dont agree with him on quite a bit. Think the fewer of our service men and women on the ground there the better.

And I dont get worked up whether he calls it islamic terrorism or just terrorism.

 

[RBM]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

 

[cubd8]

Ive said what the ilk is, your attempts to change what i said are pretty weak.

And no, not clise as im not left of Obama at all. Socially liberal in some things, fiscally more conservative but a realist. And know that unless taxes are raised, there is no way to pay for any of the candidates plans without going further in the red.

Obama...didnt vote for him once...dont agree with him on quite a bit. Think the fewer of our service men and women on the ground there the better.

And I dont get worked up whether he calls it islamic terrorism or just terrorism.z

I can respect this, and definitely agree with your comment on taxes. I do think trying to start a conversation by putting me in a box (or in my "ilk") doesn't help your points though.

 

[3C's]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

Hopefully.

BTW, it's affect not effect.

 

[TheMagus]

So does anyone know what the current Fox News message is out to the masses? Because I was out all night and my mom came over to babysit my kids and she's been sitting here watching Fox News all night and she declared to me that she thinks she needs to go out and buy a gun.

And I can say with 100% confidence that I am about 1000 times more fearful of my mother owning a gun than I am about any domestic ISIS threat.

So what exactly is the current rhetoric all about? Because for the first time I'm starting to have anxiety.

Actually it's still on right now and some female talking head is grilling Rubio suggesting something to the effect of mosques should be closed down? Thankfully Rubio is kindly telling her to eff off.

Holy...

 

[TheMagus]

Oh now I see. Whoever this Fox News chick is, she's demanding that the public arm themselves. She's yelling at me to go buy a gun.

Awesomeballs.

 

[Jim11]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

Just want to pimp myself one more time; I called sleeper cell on day one. Can't wait to see O'Dumbos speech.....he is the one who poured gas on the fire, wtf is he gonna say now without looking like a complete idiot?

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

Very similar to the percentages on ghetto schools.

 

[RBM]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

No of course not.

 

[Jim11]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

You're quite naive if you actually believe that.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Just want to pimp myself one more time; I called sleeper cell on day one. Can't wait to see O'Dumbos speech.....he is the one who poured gas on the fire, wtf is he gonna say now without looking like a complete idiot?

Meatwad gonna Meatwad

 

[netnalp]

Some 25-year-old, unemployed, Army Reservist learned me up on the NVA and how the majority of people in Poland prior to the Nazi invasion were Jews.

I can walk away from things like that, guy was a moron (I made several slights at his High School education that he took as compliments FWIW). Someone telling me the Holocaust or Sandy Hook never happened, I'm ####### getting medieval on those people. I just don't care enough not to confront people on that kind of thing.

I mean this lawyer went to school, becoming a lawyer is a lot of work. Is it part shtick to corner the crazy market? I guess I can respect that, getting ahead and all.

Getting medieval? How many do you have in your dungeon?

None, they all died in the moat.

Something to be said for a good moat, very underrated landscape feature these days.

Buyers are all wanting "infinity moats" these days.

 

[jon_mx]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

It might not be 100 percent, but if we accept 100k plus, it will be damn close.

 

[GoBirds]

Oh now I see. Whoever this Fox News chick is, she's demanding that the public arm themselves. She's yelling at me to go buy a gun.

Awesomeballs.

Why would we need to arm ourselves, Obama has ISIS contained. Plus it's just some innocent workplace violence right, ISIS only has the JV team left.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Malik encountered Syed Rizwan Farook, an American of Pakistani origin born in Chicago, on a dating website, an attorney for Farook’s family told reporters today. U.S. officials said Farook could have met Malik or her family in Saudi Arabia during a trip there in the fall of 2013. After another trip in July 2014, Farook returned to the U.S. with Malik in tow. The couple was married the next month.

Malik came to the U.S. on what is known as a “fiancé” visa, which allows an American fiancé to petition for his or her partner’s temporary entry before marriage. Malik received a Green Card this summer, U.S. officials said.

Six months ago, the couple had a baby daughter and named her according to a naming convention more common to Arab families, rather than in the typical Pakistani manner.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/female-san-bernardino-shooter-tashfeen-malik/story?id=35589386

- I've been in favor of the Syrian refugee program because aside from humanitarian reasons I've felt like the US through two administrations has been partly responsible for the crisis. My theory though has been we should admit women, children and families first. This situation blows that up though, because here it's possible that Malek, Farooq and maybe their handlers (if any) took advantage of this fiance program to sneak her into the country to conduct an attack. There's also some debate about whether Malek gave a fake address in her application but I'm not sure it matters.

I think when we talk about the Syrian refugee program we have to at least acknowledge this kind of thing is possible. It may have just happened.

 

[Abraham]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

You're quite naive if you actually believe that.

The Syrian entry policy to gain entry in to this country is almost as impossible as becoming an astronaut. I am confident that any refugee going through the process is not a terrorist.

 

[Rove!]

Peter Baker ‏@peterbakernyt 31m31 minutes ago

Obama to address the nation tomorrow at 8 pm

Peter Baker ‏@peterbakernyt 25m25 minutes ago

Obama "will also discuss the broader threat of terrorism, including the nature of the threat, how it has evolved, and how we will defeat it"

Will this turn into another plea for more gun control?

Have to disarm the ducks for the hunters....

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Some 25-year-old, unemployed, Army Reservist learned me up on the NVA and how the majority of people in Poland prior to the Nazi invasion were Jews.

I can walk away from things like that, guy was a moron (I made several slights at his High School education that he took as compliments FWIW). Someone telling me the Holocaust or Sandy Hook never happened, I'm ####### getting medieval on those people. I just don't care enough not to confront people on that kind of thing.

I mean this lawyer went to school, becoming a lawyer is a lot of work. Is it part shtick to corner the crazy market? I guess I can respect that, getting ahead and all.

Getting medieval? How many do you have in your dungeon?

None, they all died in the moat.

Something to be said for a good moat, very underrated landscape feature these days.

Buyers are all wanting "infinity moats" these days.

I can't even keep a fairly small pond and waterfall clean. An entire moat would be a maintenance pain in the ###, and that is presuming you use water and not tar, which would be a fire hazard anyway, and likely against my neighborhood's covenants.

 

[Abraham]

Why would you keep your moat clean? My most is full of algae and alligators and stuff that keeps people from even entertaining the notion of traversing it.

Rookie.

 

[jerry jones]

Peter Baker ‏@peterbakernyt 31m31 minutes ago

Obama to address the nation tomorrow at 8 pm

Peter Baker ‏@peterbakernyt 25m25 minutes ago

Obama "will also discuss the broader threat of terrorism, including the nature of the threat, how it has evolved, and how we will defeat it"

Will this turn into another plea for more gun control?

Obviously that's going to be part of it.

My guess is the main points will be along the lines of:

reiterate that we are making progress against ISIS on the battlefield

as they lose territory in the ME they may look to cause discord abroad w/terror attacks

we continue to work globally with our allies to disrupt networks that enact large coordinated attacks like Paris

we need to do more to make it difficult for terrorists ay home (both domestic and foreign) to carry out attacks like CO Springs and San Bernardino

reiterate again that people like ISIS do not represent mainstream Islam and we can't allow ourselves to be drawn into that narrative, as it ultimately serves ISIS's goals

will likely hammer Republicans/NRA for blocking legislation to keep people on terror watch list from buying guns

will probably also talk about the larger issues around gun regulation

ETA: and of course that we can't allow the threats to disrupt our lives, we should still feel safe

Don't forget the 65 country coalition...

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Why would you keep your moat clean? My most is full of algae and alligators and stuff that keeps people from even entertaining the notion of traversing it.

Rookie.

Obvious answer. I'm married and my wife hates to see me happy.

 

[bakes]

Why would you keep your moat clean? My most is full of algae and alligators and stuff that keeps people from even entertaining the notion of traversing it.

Rookie.

Obvious answer. I'm married and my wife hates to see me happy.

That's why there are alligators...

 

[bakes]

Oh now I see. Whoever this Fox News chick is, she's demanding that the public arm themselves. She's yelling at me to go buy a gun.

Awesomeballs.

Yes, because someone who is armed, untrained, and scared jittery by a constant diet of Fox News prattle is an absolute positive asset to the "war on terror."Edited to remove giving them any wise ideas in case they are monitoring the boards.

 

[Riversco]

The polls are going to be really interesting next week. Hillary has decisively stated that more gun control is the answer. Cruz has decisively said Americans must be armed. I don't know which way the public will go but they've got some amazingly clear choices here.

Trump has now come out and said the people should be armed. So I have to think the early polling data is going to lean for less gun control.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

You're quite naive if you actually believe that.

The Syrian entry policy to gain entry in to this country is almost as impossible as becoming an astronaut. I am confident that any refugee going through the process is not a terrorist.

The processes between the two are pretty similar actually. And in this case, the process failed the catch that the woman provided them with a fake living address. If they can't even catch a fake address, how do we expect them to catch anything that the person has actively been trying to hide?

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Why would you keep your moat clean? My most is full of algae and alligators and stuff that keeps people from even entertaining the notion of traversing it.

Rookie.

Obvious answer. I'm married and my wife hates to see me happy.

That's why there are alligators...

Maybe I could do a dry moat. No water, just a deep trench filled with pit bulls.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

San Bernardino shooter’s dad: He was ‘obsessed’ with Israel In interview with Italian paper, father Syed Farook says his son ‘supported the creation of the Islamic State’ Syed Farook, father of San Bernardino terrorist Syed Rizwan Farook, has described his son as negatively “obsessed” with Israel.

In an interview with Italian daily La Stampa, Farook said that he once tried to console his son by promising him that Israel would not exist in another two years because “China, Russia and America will bring the Jews back to Ukraine.”


In Sunday’s La Stampa (link in Italian) report, Farook said, “My son said that he shared [iS leader Abu Bakr] Al Baghdadi’s ideology and supported the creation of the Islamic State. He was also obsessed with Israel.”

“I told him he had to stay calm and be patient because in two years Israel will not exist any more. Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China and America don’t want Jews there any more. They are going to bring the Jews back to Ukraine. What is the point of fighting? We have already done it and we lost. Israel is not to be fought with weapons, but with politics. But he did not listen to me, he was obsessed,” Farook explained to US correspondent Paolo Mastrolilli.

Farook’s son is suspected of carrying out a mass shooting that killed 14 people in San Bernardino. The father was interviewed in Corona, California, where he lives with his older son, Syed Raheel Farook, a US Navy veteran.

Farook senior was born in Pakistan and arrived in the US in 1973. The family has been described by many as very integrated in American society, almost the embodiment of the American dream.

Farook told La Stampa how, once in the US, he got a degree in engineering and started to work hard to guarantee his children “an education and the opportunity to succeed in life.”

Other reports told a more nuanced story: Farook split from his wife Rafia, also Pakistan-born, who filed for divorce in 2006 and, according to The New York Times, said her husband was violent and an alcoholic and beat her and the children.

In the La Stampa interview, Farook denied the accusations, saying that “Rizwan’s mother is very religious, as he was, and they united against me. Once we had a dispute over the historical figure of Jesus. My son called me a godless person and he decided that my marriage with my wife had to end,” he recalled. “They destroyed the family.”

Farook declared himself in complete despair and disbelief over what his son allegedly did. His daughters, Rizwan’s sisters, told The New York Times that they had seen no warning signs.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/san-bernardino-shooters-dad-he-was-obsessed-with-israel/

http://www.lastampa.it/2015/12/06/esteri/il-pap-del-killer-di-san-bernardino-affascinato-dallisis-odiava-israele-t52TU5O4wHwqD1uYHmzsGJ/pagina.html

 

[tommyboy]

Yeah, sure

 

[jon_mx]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

You're quite naive if you actually believe that.

The Syrian entry policy to gain entry in to this country is almost as impossible as becoming an astronaut. I am confident that any refugee going through the process is not a terrorist.

And you are intimately familiar with the process? I spent many of years working in the federal government, there is no way in hell their process could be that thorough if the numbers swell even if they did in the past. I seriously question their ability to be able to do background check on Syrians, especially in a country that has been uprooted like it has. It is not even possible.

 

[Short Corner]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

You're quite naive if you actually believe that.

The Syrian entry policy to gain entry in to this country is almost as impossible as becoming an astronaut. I am confident that any refugee going through the process is not a terrorist.

And you are intimately familiar with the process? I spent many of years working in the federal government, there is no way in hell their process could be that thorough if the numbers swell even if they did in the past. I seriously question their ability to be able to do background check on Syrians, especially in a country that has been uprooted like it has. It is not even possible.

 

[Christo]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

You're quite naive if you actually believe that.

The Syrian entry policy to gain entry in to this country is almost as impossible as becoming an astronaut. I am confident that any refugee going through the process is not a terrorist.

And you are intimately familiar with the process? I spent many of years working in the federal government, there is no way in hell their process could be that thorough if the numbers swell even if they did in the past. I seriously question their ability to be able to do background check on Syrians, especially in a country that has been uprooted like it has. It is not even possible.

You think it's possible to do a background check on Syrian refugees?

 

[MaxThreshold]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

You're quite naive if you actually believe that.

The Syrian entry policy to gain entry in to this country is almost as impossible as becoming an astronaut. I am confident that any refugee going through the process is not a terrorist.

And you are intimately familiar with the process? I spent many of years working in the federal government, there is no way in hell their process could be that thorough if the numbers swell even if they did in the past. I seriously question their ability to be able to do background check on Syrians, especially in a country that has been uprooted like it has. It is not even possible.

You think it's possible to do a background check on Syrian refugees?

Yeah, trying to figure out why he used the

 

[RBM]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

You're quite naive if you actually believe that.

The Syrian entry policy to gain entry in to this country is almost as impossible as becoming an astronaut. I am confident that any refugee going through the process is not a terrorist.

And you are intimately familiar with the process? I spent many of years working in the federal government, there is no way in hell their process could be that thorough if the numbers swell even if they did in the past. I seriously question their ability to be able to do background check on Syrians, especially in a country that has been uprooted like it has. It is not even possible.

You think it's possible to do a background check on Syrian refugees?

Yeah, trying to figure out why he used the

Terrorists must amuse him.

 

[jon_mx]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

You're quite naive if you actually believe that.

The Syrian entry policy to gain entry in to this country is almost as impossible as becoming an astronaut. I am confident that any refugee going through the process is not a terrorist.

And you are intimately familiar with the process? I spent many of years working in the federal government, there is no way in hell their process could be that thorough if the numbers swell even if they did in the past. I seriously question their ability to be able to do background check on Syrians, especially in a country that has been uprooted like it has. It is not even possible.

You think it's possible to do a background check on Syrian refugees?

Yeah, trying to figure out why he used the

When they do a real background check for a clearance, they:

- interview family, friends, neighbors, co-workers

- check public records for criminal activities, civil actions against you, bankruptcies, etc.

- check job history

- check out your history for where you lived

- check out your travel records to other countries

- look at credit reporting.

There is 60 pages of questions you have to fill out. That is a background check. I really can't imagine they could do even close to 1/10th of that.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

You're quite naive if you actually believe that.

The Syrian entry policy to gain entry in to this country is almost as impossible as becoming an astronaut. I am confident that any refugee going through the process is not a terrorist.

And you are intimately familiar with the process? I spent many of years working in the federal government, there is no way in hell their process could be that thorough if the numbers swell even if they did in the past. I seriously question their ability to be able to do background check on Syrians, especially in a country that has been uprooted like it has. It is not even possible.

You think it's possible to do a background check on Syrian refugees?

Yeah, trying to figure out why he used the

When they do a real background check for a clearance, they:

- interview family, friends, neighbors, co-workers

- check public records for criminal activities, civil actions against you, bankruptcies, etc.

- check job history

- check out your history for where you lived

- check out your travel records to other countries

- look at credit reporting.

There is 60 pages of questions you have to fill out. That is a background check. I really can't imagine they could do even close to 1/10th of that.

Hmmm...doesn't seem even remotely

I guess he hates background checks?

 

[Sand]

When they do a real background check for a clearance, they:- interview family, friends, neighbors, co-workers

- check public records for criminal activities, civil actions against you, bankruptcies, etc.

- check job history

- check out your history for where you lived

- check out your travel records to other countries

- look at credit reporting.

There is 60 pages of questions you have to fill out. That is a background check. I really can't imagine they could do even close to 1/10th of that.

Bit of a distinction - they typically only do this for TS clearances. For secret level they seem to care most about criminal history and credit.

I believe the standard is quite different to work for DHS, though - for those folks even being on the terror watch list isn't a big deal. 72 are on it now.

 

[jon_mx]

When they do a real background check for a clearance, they:

- interview family, friends, neighbors, co-workers

- check public records for criminal activities, civil actions against you, bankruptcies, etc.

- check job history

- check out your history for where you lived

- check out your travel records to other countries

- look at credit reporting.

There is 60 pages of questions you have to fill out. That is a background check. I really can't imagine they could do even close to 1/10th of that.

Bit of a distinction - they typically only do this for TS clearances. For secret level they seem to care most about criminal history and credit.

I believe the standard is quite different to work for DHS, though - for those folks even being on the terror watch list isn't a big deal. 72 are on it now.

I had several friends tell me they were contacted and that was just a secret.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

When they do a real background check for a clearance, they:

- interview family, friends, neighbors, co-workers

- check public records for criminal activities, civil actions against you, bankruptcies, etc.

- check job history

- check out your history for where you lived

- check out your travel records to other countries

- look at credit reporting.

There is 60 pages of questions you have to fill out. That is a background check. I really can't imagine they could do even close to 1/10th of that.

Bit of a distinction - they typically only do this for TS clearances. For secret level they seem to care most about criminal history and credit.

I believe the standard is quite different to work for DHS, though - for those folks even being on the terror watch list isn't a big deal. 72 are on it now.

I had several friends tell me they were contacted and that was just a secret.

Secret investigations get a form letter and maybe a call if there is something questionable, in-person interviews are normally only held for a TS and higher.

 

[Sand]

When they do a real background check for a clearance, they:

- interview family, friends, neighbors, co-workers

- check public records for criminal activities, civil actions against you, bankruptcies, etc.

- check job history

- check out your history for where you lived

- check out your travel records to other countries

- look at credit reporting.

There is 60 pages of questions you have to fill out. That is a background check. I really can't imagine they could do even close to 1/10th of that.

Bit of a distinction - they typically only do this for TS clearances. For secret level they seem to care most about criminal history and credit.

I believe the standard is quite different to work for DHS, though - for those folks even being on the terror watch list isn't a big deal. 72 are on it now.

I had several friends tell me they were contacted and that was just a secret.

You're hanging with the wrong crowd.

 

[tommyboy]

Don't worry, Obama's got this ####

 

[belljr]

So I want to say this as respectfully as possible. Do not twist this as I'm blaming or he deserved it..

Is it me or are they portraying the Jewish guy that was murdered as bit of a loon also?

Rip

 

[Sinn Fein]

Will probably throw in a comment about not letting this effect how you feel about the refugees.

The San Bernadino shootings has no affect on how I feel about the refugees. It's obvious that among the thousands of Syrians let into the country, there will be Muslim extremists.

Not really

You're quite naive if you actually believe that.

The Syrian entry policy to gain entry in to this country is almost as impossible as becoming an astronaut. I am confident that any refugee going through the process is not a terrorist.

And you are intimately familiar with the process? I spent many of years working in the federal government, there is no way in hell their process could be that thorough if the numbers swell even if they did in the past. I seriously question their ability to be able to do background check on Syrians, especially in a country that has been uprooted like it has. It is not even possible.

You think it's possible to do a background check on Syrian refugees?

Yeah, trying to figure out why he used the

When they do a real background check for a clearance, they:

- interview family, friends, neighbors, co-workers

- check public records for criminal activities, civil actions against you, bankruptcies, etc.

- check job history

- check out your history for where you lived

- check out your travel records to other countries

- look at credit reporting.

There is 60 pages of questions you have to fill out. That is a background check. I really can't imagine they could do even close to 1/10th of that.

Are you suggesting the Syrian refugees are applying for a gov't job with top-secret clearance?

 

[Chemical X]

all jewish guys are loons

 

[belljr]

all jewish guys are loons

Just felt like the media was going out of its way to show how much they disagreed.

Maybe I'm reading too much into it

 

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Have been contacted on "top secret" clearance interviews for friends in the past. One was just a phone call. One was in house and involved a good bit of word-play and verbal "slight of hand". Felt like at times they were trying to put words in my mouth that required correcting. Was an interesting/entertaining process.

It was quite some time ago and I don't recall all the details, but he got his clearance. Now works in fairly high level intel and bounces between SOCAL and VA every couple/few years. I do know that after drinking he's alluded to having seen some stuff that has messed with his head a bit (no specifics obviously). He's definitely more "off" than he was back in the day.