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18-game season a "done deal" (1 Viewer)
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
I am be in favor of a 17 game regular season schedule and a 3 game preseason.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I wonder if Peter King will have anything to say about this.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
IIRC, he's opposed to it, right? So am I.
Frot
Footballguy
puckalicious
Footballguy
Say 
to the NFL as we know it, and hello to bush league. It was nice knowing you. We have greedy owners to thank for diluting things so they can make more money.
to the NFL as we know it, and hello to bush league. It was nice knowing you. We have greedy owners to thank for diluting things so they can make more money.
Insein
Footballguy
1) the system in place today is mathematically perfect. 8 X 4 team divisions. 2 X 16 team conferences. 16 regular season games per team.Gives the owners a chance to add more teams if they want to.BusterTBronco said:There are several valid reasons to be against this.1) the system in place today is mathematically perfect. 8 X 4 team divisions. 2 X 16 team conferences. 16 regular season games per team.HellToupee said:
2) Adding more games lessens the importance of each individual game.
3) The attrition rate (injuries, etc) from the extra games is going to rise. This is bad for the game (and bad for fantasy football)
4) Football is supposed to be a Fall/early winter sport. Now you are starting regular season games in the middle of August.
5) Oversaturation of the NFL product
6) No more Labor Day weekend fantasy football drafts
7) Where will it end? In few years they'll want 20 regular season games because some pinhead is telling the owners they can make more money.
2) Adding more games lessens the importance of each individual game.
Not so much. Each game will still mean as much. Its not like going to 82 games in Hockey or BBall.
3) The attrition rate (injuries, etc) from the extra games is going to rise. This is bad for the game (and bad for fantasy football)
This is the big obstacle. Players will use this to leverage as much in benefits and pay as they can. Ultimately its the reason 18 games is going to happen. IT gets the 2 sides negotiating.
4) Football is supposed to be a Fall/early winter sport. Now you are starting regular season games in the middle of August.
No guarantee they start in August. All indications shows a late Feb Super Bowl. Thats a dead time of year anyway.
5) Oversaturation of the NFL product
2 more games isn't going to make it any worse than it already is. Games overseas are more worrysome than that.
6) No more Labor Day weekend fantasy football drafts
See #4
7) Where will it end? In few years they'll want 20 regular season games because some pinhead is telling the owners they can make more money.
It took 33 years to go from 16 to 18 (1978-present). It took 18 years to go from 14 to 16 (1960-1978). It took 40 years to go from 12 to 14 (1920-1960). I doubt it will be "in a few years" to go from 18-20.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
BusterTBronco said:There are several valid reasons to be against this.1) the system in place today is mathematically perfect. 8 X 4 team divisions. 2 X 16 team conferences. 16 regular season games per team.2) Adding more games lessens the importance of each individual game.3) The attrition rate (injuries, etc) from the extra games is going to rise. This is bad for the game (and bad for fantasy football)4) Football is supposed to be a Fall/early winter sport. Now you are starting regular season games in the middle of August.5) Oversaturation of the NFL product6) No more Labor Day weekend fantasy football drafts7) Where will it end? In few years they'll want 20 regular season games because some pinhead is telling the owners they can make more money.HellToupee said:
Instead of focusing on diluting the product, the NFL should be focused on improving the product.dparker713
Footballguy
1) In what markets? There are already several teams with ongoing attendence issues and the economy and better viewing experiences have lead to several other markets experiencing blackouts. Sure, LA could support two teams, but the city is broke and will not pay for a stadium. I believe the next largest market available is Las Vegas, and thats an even less likely choice.2) You may not believe the effect will be significant, but there will be a reduction in the importance of each individual game with a shortened season1) the system in place today is mathematically perfect. 8 X 4 team divisions. 2 X 16 team conferences. 16 regular season games per team.Gives the owners a chance to add more teams if they want to.BusterTBronco said:There are several valid reasons to be against this.1) the system in place today is mathematically perfect. 8 X 4 team divisions. 2 X 16 team conferences. 16 regular season games per team.HellToupee said:
2) Adding more games lessens the importance of each individual game.
3) The attrition rate (injuries, etc) from the extra games is going to rise. This is bad for the game (and bad for fantasy football)
4) Football is supposed to be a Fall/early winter sport. Now you are starting regular season games in the middle of August.
5) Oversaturation of the NFL product
6) No more Labor Day weekend fantasy football drafts
7) Where will it end? In few years they'll want 20 regular season games because some pinhead is telling the owners they can make more money.
2) Adding more games lessens the importance of each individual game.
Not so much. Each game will still mean as much. Its not like going to 82 games in Hockey or BBall.
3) The attrition rate (injuries, etc) from the extra games is going to rise. This is bad for the game (and bad for fantasy football)
This is the big obstacle. Players will use this to leverage as much in benefits and pay as they can. Ultimately its the reason 18 games is going to happen. IT gets the 2 sides negotiating.
4) Football is supposed to be a Fall/early winter sport. Now you are starting regular season games in the middle of August.
No guarantee they start in August. All indications shows a late Feb Super Bowl. Thats a dead time of year anyway.
5) Oversaturation of the NFL product
2 more games isn't going to make it any worse than it already is. Games overseas are more worrysome than that.
6) No more Labor Day weekend fantasy football drafts
See #4
7) Where will it end? In few years they'll want 20 regular season games because some pinhead is telling the owners they can make more money.
It took 33 years to go from 16 to 18 (1978-present). It took 18 years to go from 14 to 16 (1960-1978). It took 40 years to go from 12 to 14 (1920-1960). I doubt it will be "in a few years" to go from 18-20.
4) I fail to see playing until the end of February as a positive.
5) Playing overseas has nothing to do with over saturation of the American marketplace. However, adding two more games is adding more product into the marketplace, and could very well lead to over saturation.
7) Never underestimate the greed of billionaires.
Yenrub
Footballguy
I am not a big fan of this idea at all. The owners and Godell have said that the fans don’t want 4 preseason games, which isn’t exactly true. The fans don’t like paying regular season prices for preseason games.
And if the owners want to gain that overseas market so bad why don’t they schedule 2 preseason games for every team overseas (or Canada and Mexico)?
And if the owners want to gain that overseas market so bad why don’t they schedule 2 preseason games for every team overseas (or Canada and Mexico)?
Insein
Footballguy
People are over thinking this. My main concern is that players will get hurt more. All the rest of this (oversaturation, games meaning less, not wanting to play into Feb) they are all subjective.
We already have the super Bowl in Feb. Whats the difference if its Feb 5th or Feb 20th?
Oversaturation is completely subjective. People have not shown that they are bored with the NFL. RedZone channel is one of the hottest new channels on any cable and satelite package.
How can the games mean less to the fans of their teams? They have 2 more chances to make the playoffs. Plus in fantasy, we have 3 more weeks of football (2 game weeks plus 1 bye week likely). Whats not to like there?
Injuries are the only real argument someone could have against this. That will be the negotiation topic for the new CBA. If owners want their money, they will have to give in to more benefits for the players after they retire, more money for veterans of the league vs rookies, larger rosters to increase the workforce. Its how a business works. It expands to meet the needs of its audience and grows the pie.
We already have the super Bowl in Feb. Whats the difference if its Feb 5th or Feb 20th?
Oversaturation is completely subjective. People have not shown that they are bored with the NFL. RedZone channel is one of the hottest new channels on any cable and satelite package.
How can the games mean less to the fans of their teams? They have 2 more chances to make the playoffs. Plus in fantasy, we have 3 more weeks of football (2 game weeks plus 1 bye week likely). Whats not to like there?
Injuries are the only real argument someone could have against this. That will be the negotiation topic for the new CBA. If owners want their money, they will have to give in to more benefits for the players after they retire, more money for veterans of the league vs rookies, larger rosters to increase the workforce. Its how a business works. It expands to meet the needs of its audience and grows the pie.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
It's funny that the NFL preaches safety when it comes to helmet to helmet hits, rough hits on the quarterbacks, etc., yet they are now gonna make these guys play two more games a year. I guess safety goes out the window when there is more money to be made. 
Don't get me wrong, as a fan, I love the idea of a longer regular season, but the hypocrisy of the NFL is kinda sad.
Don't get me wrong, as a fan, I love the idea of a longer regular season, but the hypocrisy of the NFL is kinda sad.
VaTerp
Footballguy
GregR_2
Footballguy
That isn't an example of hypocrisy. If it was, it would be correct to say the NFL are hypocrites for preaching safety when they won't make football two hand touch or won't cut the season back to 6 games a year. Just because you want improved safety doesn't mean other factors don't play a role in your ultimate decisions.They can go to an 18 game schedule and still take steps to try to limit the injury impact on players, with things like increased rosters and another bye week so players have more opportunity to recover from wear during the season.It's funny that the NFL preaches safety when it comes to helmet to helmet hits, rough hits on the quarterbacks, etc., yet they are now gonna make these guys play two more games a year. I guess safety goes out the window when there is more money to be made.
VaCatFan
Footballguy
Folks, it's not 2 more games. It's the same number of games (pre-season and season). It's just that 2 games go from fairly meaningless to actually being worth something. Yes, it's 2 more games that starters will try to play the whole game, that's it for the difference. There will be an increased injury risk, but larger rosters/practice squads can cover for some of that. It gives guys who are on the bubble, more of an opportunity to make it to an NFL team and possibly become something (Kurt Warner).
dparker713
Footballguy
This reasoning isn't any less BS coming from you than it is coming from the owners.
Yep. and it has worked out just fine.
GregR_2
Footballguy
They do, and reacting to the negative reaction by fans forced to buy those tickets in order to get regular season ones is part of the motivation for going to 18 games.As far as money, they would make some more in tickets assuming they don't sell out preseason games now. They would make a fair amount more in concessions as preseason games aren't well attended even by the people that had to buy the tickets to get regular season ones.Really the big money gain comes from TV contracts. The NFL currently sells 17 weeks of regular season broadcasting. With a second bye that would jump to 20. They could increase their big network television revenue by about 1/6 by going to 18 games. Probably even more than that even after you subtract whatever local station deals they had for preseason... as the NFL is limited in what days it can broadcast games due to Congressional laws meant to protect college and high school football. The three extra weeks wouldn't run up against college or high school so they could add Saturday nationally televised games in those new weeks and pump up the television contracts further.
BucFan40
Footballguy
This is a good breakdown of the financial aspect. It will help the owners, which in turn will hopefully help the negotiations with the new CBA. With the extra $$ I'm hoping that some can go to the vets fund, player salaries and better benefits. I see more good than bad in this. Now let's talk about how this will impact fantasy sports. It certainly makes the schedule easier, especially for 3 division 12 team leagues. You get to play everyone in your division twice AND have 3 weeks of playoffs without playing the last weeks of the season. Does this mean we have our championship games in week 17 and take 18 & 19 off, assuming there is only one bye week? We probably should since the Colts will sit Manning for the last 3 games now. This may lead to larger NFL rosters, so should fantasy teams also add roster spots to compensate for more injuries/time off?As a fan, who wouldn't love this?
dparker713
Footballguy
Frankly, at this point I dont need or want anymore football. College starts before Labor Day and the Super Bowl is in February. Thats 5.5 months or so of every Saturday and Sunday, plus Monday, some Thursday, and even Tuesday nights. I like football, but thats plenty.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
how is more games a negative??
what are you people on dope???
what are you people on dope???
Yeah but Canadians are tougher then the skin on a beaver tail eh you hoser?
Insein
Footballguy
Well let me put it this way. Without them going to 18 games, there will be NO football for the forseeable future. Do you understand that both sides are not even talking to one another. They have no common ground. At this rate there will be no football for 2011 and beyond. 18 game schedule is a starting point to get the 2 sides talking. So go ahead and whine about having too much football. There might not be much of it if this doesn't happen.
which is precicely why many of us think an 18 game season will give us a watered down product.
nickdiesel
Footballguy
my concern is how to make a ten team fantasy schedule out of an 18 week season.
Insein
Footballguy
It would be 20 weeks. And yes that would be a trick.Best I can think is 2 divisions of 5. Play your Division 3 times (12 games) and the other division 1 time (5 games). Playoffs for top 6 teams weeks 18-20.But then week 20 might be like week 17 and have players sitting so that wouldn't work. Could play division twice (8 games) and 3 teams from the other Div twice (6 games) and 2 teams once (2 games). Playoffs weeks 17-19.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
There will be at least 1 bye, maybe two, (i seen them do that once before)so 19 week fantasy season. Playoffs start week16 (if only 1 bye) - superbowls in week 18
I prefer 20 games and NO Preseason. It isn't like the old days, this is the players full time jobs, and they get paid handsomely for it. Train, practice, evaluate, and scrimmage in the offseason. Sure give the players time off in the offseason..........but why can't they train all year leading up to 20 regular season games. I might be in the minority, but if I had the skills and was making all the money they are to basically play a game (I know it's a sick, tough game and I would never do it) I would do whatever I had to do.
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Mario Kart
Footballguy
I remember teams having two bye weeks one season or two seasons and it was a huge failure. Also having an odd number of teams when one team would have off in week 1 and so on was a huge failure as well.
dparker713
Footballguy
There will still be college football. Might even check out that crap league that started up last year.And the 18 game schedule isn't a starting point. A starting point is the owners opening up their books to show losses of some kind. Otherwise, no matter how you grow the pie, the union wont agree to a smaller share of the revenue. However, the owners have no intention of doing that. The owners WANT a work stoppage. They want to crush the union, like they did in 82 and 87. You'll probably start to see meaningful movement on this stuff sometime around March... of 2012.Insein said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
who knows what they will do be a longer season is sweet
Insein
Footballguy
College football is a hobby. It has neat little things here and there but ultimately it means nothing at the end. Can't follow a sport where the champion is not decided on the field.
Insein
Footballguy
My guess would be to move it up a week in September since they start the 2nd week anyway and goto till late Feb. Byes probably between weeks 3 to 15 or so.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
The NFLPA wants larger active rosters in exchange for an 18 game season. Link
This could suck for FF and make the RB Committee guessing game even harder.
Or, maybe more teams will do what the Jets are doing with LT and Greene. Instead of sharing equal time every game, it seems like they have purposefully saved Greene to ramp up during the second half of the season.
This could suck for FF and make the RB Committee guessing game even harder.
Or, maybe more teams will do what the Jets are doing with LT and Greene. Instead of sharing equal time every game, it seems like they have purposefully saved Greene to ramp up during the second half of the season.
FavreCo
Footballguy
That will just further separate the men from the boys in FFL GM land.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Larger rosters in the NFL simply mean larger rosters in FF. Add a couple of roster spots to your league and maybe a flex position. Easy.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
That's going to be awesome. Three more weeks!18 NFL games, 2 bye weeks per team = 16 regular season FFL games, 3 playoff weeks and a pro Bowl.An additional 3 weekends of laying on the couch.
T J
Footballguy
What exactly does one have to do with the other? I don't see that it does. Just because an NFL roster is larger, how does that equate to needing a larger FF roster?
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