2 QB Leagues can be a real grind (1 Viewer)

[greenline]

I'm not sure how many of you play this format but QBs are treated like king's ransom. Romo and Rodgers start at QB for me. With Romo out, I had two waiver options: Ryan Fitzpatrick or Charlie Frye.

All TDs are 6 pts. Do other leagues de-value QBs at all and treat passing TDs as 4 pts? I'm trying to figure out how to adjust the league for next year.

 

[Topes]

I'm not sure how many of you play this format but QBs are treated like king's ransom.

Not many.

Romo and Rodgers start at QB for me.

Nice.

With Romo out, I had two waiver options: Ryan Fitzpatrick or Charlie Frye.

Who's your backup? You know, the guy on yoru roster you use for byes and such...

All TDs are 6 pts. Do other leagues de-value QBs at all and treat passing TDs as 4 pts?

Other leagues do all sorts of crazy things. Like starting just one QB, for starters.

I'm trying to figure out how to adjust the league for next year.

Why? It is what it is.Did you realize it was 'wrong' when one of your QBs went down?Or, just, in general..?If it's a keeper league, you cannot adjust anything to do with scoring or lineups without redrafting from scratch.Nobody's gonna be of much help figuring out how to adjust your league for next year without knowing your motivation for adjustification.

 

[duece2626]

I never understood the point of a 2 QB league.

 

[redsoxfan]

I play in a 2QB dynasty league but we only have 4 point TDs. Having 2 solid QB's is still the difference between the good teams and the bad ones in this league. We also start 3RB and 4WR so keeping a full roster of starting players is very difficult (12 teams in the league). What makes this league fun is that you have to follow a lot more marginal players that you might not follow in other leagues.

The turnover in starting QB's this year seems higher than usual and it has been brutal. You should be happy you even have waiver wire options as in our league we have nothing. Most backups are already rostered. I started the year with Brady/Palmer/Rodgers and a few backups and I'm getting killed right now because I can't come up with 2 starters consistently. If I'm lucky I may be able to grab Brad Johnson or Seneca Wallace and then hopefully Palmer will be back in a few weeks. When the season started I thought QB would be my strength but it hasn't been.

 

[Priapism]

Brad Johnson down? That's the beauty of the 2QB league. Do you want to waste a roster spot on a guy you hope won't play or do you want to take the risk that a QB will go down and you wasted his backup slot on Ryan Torain?

 

[Deadzone21]

I don't like the 2 qb format. Refused a couple of invites to join these leagues. QB's score too important to have frequent match-ups with one team short a QB. It doesn't make for a fair matchup, and there just isn't enough QB's to support this format in a 12-team league.

With 12 teams, you'll need to roster at least 2 QBs plus a 3rd to cover byes. That requires 36 starting QBs...not enough for every team to cover their byes. then there's that owner who discovers this and hordes a 4th or 5th QB,

this league creates too many lopsided matchups, IMO.

 

[greenline]

Well, it's definitely a shark league and Brad Johnson was scooped up as soon as the injury was announced. (I happened to not be home) My backups are Matt Ryan (bye) and Brady Quinn (still couldnt steal the gig). I recently traded JTO for L. Fitzgerald.

Anyway, I really think that QBS are really worth too much. I don't mind the format but I get te feeling from other owners they are really frustrated with it compared to their other leagues.

I think perhaps devaluving the QBs or adding another RB and other WR might help but that just as might as well reduce to 1QB.

 

[duece2626]

I don't like the 2 qb format. Refused a couple of invites to join these leagues. QB's score too important to have frequent match-ups with one team short a QB. It doesn't make for a fair matchup, and there just isn't enough QB's to support this format in a 12-team league.With 12 teams, you'll need to roster at least 2 QBs plus a 3rd to cover byes. That requires 36 starting QBs...not enough for every team to cover their byes. then there's that owner who discovers this and hordes a 4th or 5th QB, this league creates too many lopsided matchups, IMO.

 

[Priapism]

Ugh, a first come first serve waiver wire. That is a PITA when it comes to a 2-QB league, you need to devote the roster spots to your backup QB's. I've been keeping Manning and Campbell for a couple years now and I make sure to end up with Sorgi and Collins. I think it all depends on your acceptance of risk.

 

[FUBAR]

I prefer 2 QB leagues in a redraft, but I don't think I'd like it in dynasty. I already place a higher value on top QBs in dynasty, if we started 2 I wouldn't want to see what a stud QB would cost in the dynasty format.

It is difficult to acquire a QB when in need, but that's part of the game.

Go for a 1+ QB league where your flex can be (and usually would be) a QB, but you could play someone else there. Seems to balance things out well from my experience.

 

[Topes]

Well, it's definitely a shark league and Brad Johnson was scooped up as soon as the injury was announced. (I happened to not be home)

FC/FS. I been in leagues like that. Not anymore. I'm on the computer all the time, and could usually scoop faster than the others. I think fairness is overrated in fantasy football. Still, FC/FS is just silly. How hard is waivers? Seriously.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Three things we've done to reduce the value of QBs (but still maintain 2 starting QBs):

1. 4 point passing TDs

2. 1 point per 30 yards passing

3. 2nd starting spot is a flex position where you can start a RB/WR/TE if you don't have 2 QBs

10-team league. QBs are still the top scoring positions but they don't dominate.

 

[Wildcat]

Three things we've done to reduce the value of QBs (but still maintain 2 starting QBs):1. 4 point passing TDs2. 1 point per 30 yards passing3. 2nd starting spot is a flex position where you can start a RB/WR/TE if you don't have 2 QBs

We do the same with the exception of the yardage.

 

[murzman]

Three things we've done to reduce the value of QBs (but still maintain 2 starting QBs):1. 4 point passing TDs2. 1 point per 30 yards passing3. 2nd starting spot is a flex position where you can start a RB/WR/TE if you don't have 2 QBs

We do the same with the exception of the yardage.

This is a good set-up, but be sure it is PPR for WR (and 1/2 PPR for RBs) - this balances out the value of each position. People struggling with their QB situation can still have a chance with strong RBs and WRs (ex - my QBs are K.Collins, Fitzpatrick and Bulger but I am still 4/12 in overall pts). Have been starting 3 RBs for several weeks. This all makes for a better draft as you have a good mix of QBs, WRs and RBs in the first few rounds instead of all RBs.

 

[Deadzone21]

Three things we've done to reduce the value of QBs (but still maintain 2 starting QBs):

1. 4 point passing TDs

2. 1 point per 30 yards passing

3. 2nd starting spot is a flex position where you can start a RB/WR/TE if you don't have 2 QBs

10-team league. QBs are still the top scoring positions but they don't dominate.

I can see the 2 QB format working for a 10-team league. Anything more than that and there simply not enough QBs in the NFL to make this work.

 

[Futeki]

I prefer 2 QB leagues in a redraft, but I don't think I'd like it in dynasty. I already place a higher value on top QBs in dynasty, if we started 2 I wouldn't want to see what a stud QB would cost in the dynasty format. It is difficult to acquire a QB when in need, but that's part of the game.Go for a 1+ QB league where your flex can be (and usually would be) a QB, but you could play someone else there. Seems to balance things out well from my experience.

You made every single point I wanted to make.

 

[Ray]

Another thing that might help 2 QB leagues is having team QBs. So instead of having Romo, you'd have Dallas QB.

 

[murzman]

Three things we've done to reduce the value of QBs (but still maintain 2 starting QBs):

1. 4 point passing TDs

2. 1 point per 30 yards passing

3. 2nd starting spot is a flex position where you can start a RB/WR/TE if you don't have 2 QBs

10-team league. QBs are still the top scoring positions but they don't dominate.

I can see the 2 QB format working for a 10-team league. Anything more than that and there simply not enough QBs in the NFL to make this work.

Refer to post #14. Ours is 12 team league and it works fine. Good reliable starting QBs are at a premium but there are always plug and play guys available. The following QBs have all come from the waiver wire and have all started at least 1 game this year... and it is only week 6! Most were pretty easy to get (and sadly, most have been on my roster at some point or another ):Fitzpatrick

Brad Johnson

Croyle/Huard/Thigpen

K.Collins

Rosenfels

Orlovsky

Green

Frye

Cassell

Frerotte

Griese

If you drafted poor QBs, then you probably have strong WRs and/or depth at RB to make up for it and start 3 RBs if you need to.

 

[greenline]

How about roster limits on QBs? How has that gone over?

We had an owner put it out there last year but the league was against it. That owner was pretty upset and left the league.

 

[Topes]

Another thing that might help 2 QB leagues is having team QBs. So instead of having Romo, you'd have Dallas QB.

Sorry, Ray. Not ragging on you. I know you're not endorsing this notion, but just bringing it up.Team QB is the one of the lamest things I have ever heard of in this game.

 

[Ray]

Another thing that might help 2 QB leagues is having team QBs. So instead of having Romo, you'd have Dallas QB.

Sorry, Ray. Not ragging on you. I know you're not endorsing this notion, but just bringing it up.Team QB is the one of the lamest things I have ever heard of in this game. :X

As lame as Team D? I don't really like the notion either, but I do think it's more fair. Maybe it could be called Romo/Johnson QB? ...or let owners of the starters have first crack at the backup if they're on the WW ...or have 2 QB handcuff bench spots. Might even be neat to just have a fixed number of handcuff spots; let the owner decide which guys are most valuable to handcuff. Can only be activated from the handcuff squad if the starter is injured or something?

Yes, Travis Henry would count against your 3 handcuff players.

 

[nxmehta]

I'm getting murdered in my 2QB league. Drafting Brady, Young and Garrard will do that though.

Honestly though, the 2QB format has always pissed me off. I hit on Brady and Romo last year and rode them to the championship because every other team struggled to field 2 decent QBs. It's just too frustrating to try and get two healthy, somewhat decent QBs. There are too many god awful QBs playing in the NFL. It's a little too much luck, even for FF.

I would drop it next year.

 

[Bl Deep]

I never understood the point of a 2 QB league.

you have a small mind... The point of a 2QB league is to have a league where all positions have relative parity.... 1QB league make the position useless, make it all about RBs which is fine if you want to dumb it down to the smallest common denominator...Back in the day, all that counted was TD's and Fgs... but FF evolved, that evolution led to 2 QB leagues....

 

[s&m]

I much prefer the 2 QB leagues. Try trading your QB depth in a regular 12 team 1 QB league, a Rodgers or Campbell will get you an offer of somebodies 5th WR or their backup TE. I have the top 2 scoring QB's and the 10th scoring QB and can't move one for any value at all. There is no reason that a league should so devalue any one position. It is all about scarcity of available players at any position available to start for a given team. When there are 2-3 times the available Qb's to the league start requirement then the QB's have very little value. There is the same number of starting RB's in the NFL as starting QB's, 32 of each. Every league starts at least 2 RB's, so why not Qb's? The quality 2nd Qb then has the same value as a RB#2 or a Wr #2 since they will be started just as often, makes for much better trading options and drafting strategy. Especially the drafting, lets the league have a much different feel since some will go strong early for RB's , alot will go with the WR's early, but the best teams may go strong for QB's. Just adds to the overall flexibility and options in the league. Everybody will use their own draft strategy and not the standard FF dogma that dominates year after year.

I never understood the point of a 2 QB league.

you have a small mind... The point of a 2QB league is to have a league where all positions have relative parity.... 1QB league make the position useless, make it all about RBs which is fine if you want to dumb it down to the smallest common denominator...Back in the day, all that counted was TD's and Fgs... but FF evolved, that evolution led to 2 QB leagues....

 

[Bl Deep]

I much prefer the 2 QB leagues. Try trading your QB depth in a regular 12 team 1 QB league, a Rodgers or Campbell will get you an offer of somebodies 5th WR or their backup TE. I have the top 2 scoring QB's and the 10th scoring QB and can't move one for any value at all. There is no reason that a league should so devalue any one position. It is all about scarcity of available players at any position available to start for a given team. When there are 2-3 times the available Qb's to the league start requirement then the QB's have very little value. There is the same number of starting RB's in the NFL as starting QB's, 32 of each. Every league starts at least 2 RB's, so why not Qb's? The quality 2nd Qb then has the same value as a RB#2 or a Wr #2 since they will be started just as often, makes for much better trading options and drafting strategy. Especially the drafting, lets the league have a much different feel since some will go strong early for RB's , alot will go with the WR's early, but the best teams may go strong for QB's. Just adds to the overall flexibility and options in the league. Everybody will use their own draft strategy and not the standard FF dogma that dominates year after year.

I never understood the point of a 2 QB league.

you have a small mind... The point of a 2QB league is to have a league where all positions have relative parity.... 1QB league make the position useless, make it all about RBs which is fine if you want to dumb it down to the smallest common denominator...Back in the day, all that counted was TD's and Fgs... but FF evolved, that evolution led to 2 QB leagues....

the caveat is that the ideal league size is a 10teamer..... i think >10 teams the second QB needs to be a flex because of the scarcity factor...

 

[Simply Ravishing]

I'm in a 12 team league where you can start two QB's but it's not required. We start 1QB/2RB's/3WR's and 2 flex positions (1 of which can be a QB). This setup allows for teams to come up with a replacement easier when they run into bye weeks and injuries. It definitely increases the value of your marginal QB's, but it makes the league more fun and interesting.

 

[bryan215]

lol I'm in a 10 man league that starts 2 qbs and our flex can be a qb-wr-te-rb

I'm 6-0 thanks to the trifecta

QB: Brees

QB: Cutler

FLEX: Warner

Backups of Garcia, O'Connell

 

[SKribbles]

I've never played in a league that doesn't start 2 QBs (both 10 and 12 team). Rarely are there weeks when a team can't pickup a plug to fill in a bye week. Unless you do a piss poor job of drafting or get destroyed by injuries you are fine.

 

[lyon812]

I much prefer the 2 QB leagues. Try trading your QB depth in a regular 12 team 1 QB league, a Rodgers or Campbell will get you an offer of somebodies 5th WR or their backup TE. I have the top 2 scoring QB's and the 10th scoring QB and can't move one for any value at all.

12 team league, 1 QB starts, and I haven't found this to be the case at all. I've parlayed QB depth into solid players on a regular basis. Likewise, I've traded for QBs teams weren't using and given quality players in return. I'm sure my league isn't the exception here..