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2 round mock draft in the books ! (1 Viewer)

Well we lost DeAngelo and mighty Jay Cutler.

So Andy... Vikings.

I say they need a cover 2 OLB, or a SS, or a RB.

Cover 2 OLB: Ernie Simes, DeMeco Ryans, Greenway, Carpenter...

SS: Whitner, Bing, Simpson (depth depth depth they should wait)

RB: Maroney

I hated the Maroney pick when it was in vogue in early January. Now that many are drifting away from it, I like it. He is now expected to play at 220 next season. He'll work out at 215 and expects to run extremely fast.

 
Good call. Bloom would approve (even though he actually recommended Hali to Atlanta!!). :P
I would think Atlanta may move up if they get the sense that Philly would take Hali (I really don't see that pick, but who knows?)
I agree. Maybe we should rethink this section a little. Kearse and Cole spelled by an occassional pass rush from Kalu... DE not a priority. Hali sort of messing up our corraborative uber mock. OLB a better pick, but we were undecided between a couple. What about Ryans there?
The Eagles BADLY need a pass rush. Their whole Defensive scheme is predicated upon getting a good pass rush to help their secondary. They couldn't get to the QB to save their life last year and that's why their defense was exposed the way it was. Also, the Eagles over the years have constantly devalued two positions: WR and LB. I don't think they take a LB with this pick unless they trade up to get an elite talent like Hawk.
Well, be happy we gave you a 1st round DE.
 
Vikings HAVE to go linebacker.

Maroney is the homer pick but I have questions about his pro ability.

Give us Greenway.

Although I'd rather have Ryans.

 
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It may be a tad high, but Sims seems to make sense here.
I want to be on record saying I like Dontarrious Thomas, EJ Henderson, Kieth Newman, Napleon Harris (story here?), and maybe they just needed better coaching.
 
It may be a tad high, but Sims seems to make sense here.
I want to be on record saying I like Dontarrious Thomas, EJ Henderson, Kieth Newman, Napleon Harris (story here?), and maybe they just needed better coaching.
Keith Newman isn't bad. But the rest just play too stiff (Thomas), too stupid (Henderson), and too just plain bad (Harris).Anything would be an upgrade, IMO.

Greenway would be :moneybag:

 
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Back and spent my lunch period thinking Greenway goes here, so any dissenters should speak now or forever hold their peace....

 
Cowboys - My team.

Ridgelake has been posting some solid info about this pick. I want them to go OT. I want them to pick the best between McNiell, Winston, and Scott. I don't care who is better, and I trust Parcells opinion, but...

Ridgelake makes it sound unlikely and he thinks they go for one of the 3-4 conversions from college DE. Manny Lawson being the prime suspect.

 
Is this "who should they" or "who will they".

They SHOULD draft either Marcus McNeill or Jon Scott.

They probably WILL draft Ko Simpson as their safety play cost them both of the games against the Redskins last year.

 
dallas should add bobby carpenter or winston justice here.

ko simpson would compliment williams well, but thats a bit of a reach.

 
OK, though Maroney makes sense here, I think LB is a bigger need and great value pick here...

With the 17th pick, Minnesota selects Chad Greenway, LB, Iowa

Marriage of value and need here, as mentioned, Greenway should be able to start from day 1 in Minnesota.

That brings up the Cowboys, who were controversial last time around. I anticipate a lot of discussion here. Carpenter? A WR? An OT? S? Lots of ways to go here, though I don't think WR is nearly as big a need as many see it for Dallas, and it's been pointed out that Parcells doesn't like drafting O-line in round 1. Have at it.

 
Are we on Dallas now?

I haven't seen the official Miny pick

Edit...Nevermind

 
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Guys, I've completed my research on Ko Simpson. I've posted some of it here, most of it elsewhere. 100% no way he goes to Dallas. Everyone is wrong about him because of an error in his bio. He is a pure SS. We have Roy in Dallas. We need a pure FS.

Ko played in the box all year. He ran slower than ALL the top safeties. He is a tackle machine, not a cover guy.

eta this is the mother of strenuous objections.

 
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Here is my pre-written pick at the break.

As a Cowboy fan here is my take:

If the actual draft went like this, I could definitely see Dallas trying to trade down.

If there were no takers for a trade the 2 choices are pretty clear.

Marcus McNeil-Auburn

Fills a hole on our terrible O-line, prolly at RT. Gives Dallas nice bookends in Flo and Marcus. He has rare size which doesn't come around very often. I have seen mixed reviews on him, I know we have been sniffing around.

Bobby Carpenter- Ohio State

Could play either ILB or OLB. Nice size for a Parcells LB. We are very thin at this position with the Retirement of Dat. The ankle injury to Carpenter has cost him a few spots in the draft. I believe he is the run stopping LB this team desparately needs. Some think he's a reach, I would be very excited to get this kid.

For those who suggest Ko Simpson there are plenty of FA Safeties available. I could see Dallas picking up either Chavous or Hope if Pittsburgh can't re-sign (Sorry EG).

Those thinking WR-Parcells will not take a WR although his draft record may appear differently. None of the top Wr's are difference makers. (For the record I have them ranked Jackson/Holmes/Moss) Parcells is in win now mode. Rookie WR's rarely make an impact.

One other player being hyped in Dallas is Manny Lawson. I love him but not at this spot. He is a later first round pick and could be the target if Dallas trades down.

Cowboys take Bobby Carpenter

 
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I think there will be a couple WR's go in a row very soon. Will Dallas be the first to take one ? Errrrrrrrr, no. haha. Probably Marcus McNeill even though their WR's need walkers to get around.

 
ARE WE ASKING WHO WE WOULD DRAFT IF WE WERE THE GM, OR WHO WE THINK THE TEAM WILL DRAFT?
Who you think the team will draft, but I encourage people to voice their own opinions as well....
 
I don't follow college ball, so forgive my ignorance, but is their a WR worthy of a 17th pick in the first round? What if the Vikings lose both Burleson and KoRo? I don't think they'd be comfortable with MRob, TWill, and Taylor. Of course I could be wrong as Childress is used to having crappy receivers.

 
ARE WE ASKING WHO WE WOULD DRAFT IF WE WERE THE GM, OR WHO WE THINK THE TEAM WILL DRAFT?
A little of both seems appropriate.I think Dallas will draft Manny Lawson or Kamerion Wimbley. They interviewed both extensively and in Wimbley's case repeatedly.

I want them to go OT.

My pick for this mock, base on insights from Ridge, is Lawson. Manny the freakazoid Lawson. DeMarcus Ware didn't test as freaky as this guy.

 
Guys, I've completed my research on Ko Simpson. I've posted some of it here, most of it elsewhere. 100% no way he goes to Dallas. Everyone is wrong about him because of an error in his bio. He is a pure SS. We have Roy in Dallas. We need a pure FS.

Ko played in the box all year. He ran slower than ALL the top safeties. He is a tackle machine, not a cover guy.

eta this is the mother of strenuous objections.
Fine. Then take Donte Whitner. 4.45 40 time. 5-11/205. Sounds like a prototypical FS.
 
Here is my pre-written pick at the break.

As a Cowboy fan here is my take:

If the actual draft went like this, I could definitely see Dallas trying to trade down.

If there were no takers for a trade the 2 choices are pretty clear.

Marcus McNeil-Auburn

Fills a hole on our terrible O-line, prolly at RT. Gives Dallas nice bookends in Flo and Marcus. He has rare size which doesn't come around very often. I have seen mixed reviews on him, I know we have been sniffing around.

Bobby Carpenter- Ohio State

Could play either ILB or OLB. Nice size for a Parcells LB. We are very thin at this position with the Retirement of Dat. The ankle injury to Carpenter has cost him a few spots in the draft. I believe he is the run stopping LB this team desparately needs. Some think he's a reach, I would be very excited to get this kid.

For those who suggest Ko Simpson there are plenty of FA Safeties available. I could see Dallas picking up either Chavous or Hope if Pittsburgh can't re-sign (Sorry EG).

Those thinking WR-Parcells will not take a WR although his draft record may appear differently. None of the top Wr's are difference makers. (For the record I have them ranked Jackson/Holmes/Moss) Parcells is in win now mode. Rookie WR's rarely make an impact.

One other player being hyped in Dallas is Manny Lawson. I love him but not at this spot. He is a later first round pick and could be the target if Dallas trades down.

Cowboys take Bobby Carpenter
Feedback. I like what you say and agree with most of it, but I cannot imagine them passing Lawson for Carpenter given the scheme.
 
They probably will NOT draft Simpson. I'll cut and paste from the last Evilgrin mock where he tried Darnell Bing here. The same comments can be applied to Simpson. BOMBS AWAY!!!!!!!!

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As a Dallas "homer", I'll add my voice to those comments about Bing. I agree with your analysis that he may end up as the #2 safety behind Huff. He is a bigtime playmaker and that is something that Parcells covets. The problem with Bing, however, (as has been pointed out already), is that he is too similar to Roy Williams. They are both strong safeties. Polamalu, Reed, and Taylor are strong safety as well. They all do their best work creating havoc in the box.

Dallas needs a deep safety. A coverage safety. A free safety. A QB of the secondary. That is not a position that is taken in the first round. A playmaking havoc-creating guy, yes. A center fielder, no.

Who would be better at reading offenses, diagnosing pass paterns, and getting other guys into position? A rookie strong safety converting to free safety or an experienced vet like a Chris Hope or a Corey Chavous? The answer is obviously the latter, and thats how I think Dallas will solve its safety problem.

Now who will Dallas draft? Its got to be a RT, doesnt it? That position held the entire offense hostage last year, forcing them into max-protect schemes all the time. Thats gotta be the first round pick, right? Right? RIGHT?????

I doubt it. In 19 seasons as a head coach, Parcells' teams have never drafted a tackle in the first round. Parcells stated in a press conference during the season that tackles and WRs have the highest bust rates of first rounders. Its much more likely that the RT problem is addressed with a FA like a Tom Ashworth or John Runyan. Notwithstanding a FA pickup, I'd be surprised if Dallas didnt draft Oline in rounds 2 and/or 3. I also think McNeill is a Flozell Adams clone and will get some consideration.

So they draft a WR, right? Keyshawn and Glenn are older than dirt! I doubt it. See Parcells' comments on first round OT and WR bust rates. Plus, this year's WR crop is poor. Again, not likely.

Ok, so no safety, OT, or WR in round 1, who do they draft?

Defensive front seven. WHAT?, They got Ware, Spears, Canty, James and all of them! Yep. And they need a complement to Ware at OLB, a NT under 30, and wouldn't mind an upgrade at the other ILB spot opposite James. Couple that with the fact that Parcells' teams have drafted defensive front seven more than any other spots in the first round with the values likely to be on the board at 18, and you have one of 3 likely picks.

1) Bobby Carpenter

2) Gabe Watson

3) Manny Lawson

Carpenter has the versatility to play multiple positions in a 3-4. He has the size that Parcells covets (~255 lbs).

Watson is a space eater that every 3-4 needs. Dallas' current NTs are Jason Ferguson, LaRoi Glover, and Thomas Johnson. Only Ferguson is over 300 lbs. Only Johnson, a converted DE undrafted rookie free agent last year, is under 30. Glover has personally stated that he doesnt think he will be back next year. Does a 30+ year old and a former rookie free agent seem like depth at a critical position for the 3-4? Not to me either. Thats where Watson comes in. It should be noted that Dallas spent a LONG time talking with him at the Senior Bowl. Know who they spent a LONG time talking with last year? DeMarcus Ware. Don't be surprised if Dallas calls Watson's name come April.

Lawson is a converted 4-3 DE speed rusher who Dallas also spent a lot of time talking to at the Senior Bowl. If Carpenter is off the board at 18 (and also assuming Hawk and Greenway are long gone), Lawson might be the guy for Dallas. Personally, I'd like to see them try to trade down if both Carpenter and Watson are gone, but Lawson would be a likely pick if they can't.

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That post was from before the combine. Now, I'd put Lawson and Carpenter on even footing with Watson third. Essentially, Lawson is the more explosive athelete, Carpenter the more experienced and versatile linebacker.

Based on the combine, Lawson is even more explosive than Ware. But he would need to be taught to play standing up, as Ware had to last year. So in the short term, he might struggle a bit. But I can see the benefit of making defenses guess which of these two (Lawson and Ware) would be coming after the QB each down. Not a fun thing for an offense to gameplan around.

Carpenter is an experienced linebacker. He is more versatile right now. He could conceivably move inside if needed. Parcells loves versatility. So I could see him going here as well.

Personally, I like the pincher image of Lawson and Ware better than Carpenter and Ware. So put me down for Lawson.

 
Also, I think Lawson may blow out in the first 15 picks. 250 pound dudes who run 4.41 are um... he's one of kind.

 
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Guys, I've completed my research on Ko Simpson. I've posted some of it here, most of it elsewhere. 100% no way he goes to Dallas. Everyone is wrong about him because of an error in his bio. He is a pure SS. We have Roy in Dallas. We need a pure FS.

Ko played in the box all year. He ran slower than ALL the top safeties. He is a tackle machine, not a cover guy.

eta this is the mother of strenuous objections.
Fine. Then take Donte Whitner. 4.45 40 time. 5-11/205. Sounds like a prototypical FS.
I'd be okay with that pick. But remember very good safeties will be around for a couple more rounds. There is no one like Lawson.
 
Lawson is not great against the run. Bill will want Carpenter beside James to clog the middle.

For the record I love Lawson too....but Carpenter is the pick...imo.

 
With the 18th pick, the Dallas Cowboys select Manny Lawson, LB/DE, N.C. State

I was all set to go with Whitner here, but Chaos Commish is right, a guy who goes 6'5 250 and runs a 4.4 40 are rare. He and Ware are ideal bookends for a 3-4 LB corps, and this pick just makes sense. I think Manny opened a lot of eyes at the combine and moved into round 1.

Onward to S.D. this will be intriguing. Needs in the secondary, at WR, at OT. Where do the Chargers go?

 

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