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[ignatiusjreilly]

famed auteur      Never change, gb.  

I always wondered how you say “convicted felon” in French …

 

[rockaction]

I always wondered how you say “convicted felon” in French …

As much as I dislike the path Dinesh D'Souza's career has taken, that was a campaign finance hit job, and he was pardoned. He is not a felon. Nor, in essence, was he convicted once given the pardon. 

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

As much as I dislike the path Dinesh D'Souza's career has taken, that was a campaign finance hit job, and he was pardoned. He is not a felon. Nor, in essence, was he convicted once given the pardon. 

I'm not sure what you mean by "hit job", but he pleaded guilty to making straw donations, and the judge declared that DeSouza had "submitted no evidence he was selectively prosecuted."

I'll admit I have no idea whether someone who was pardoned is still legally considered a "convicted felon", but it is indisputable that he was in fact convicted of a felony, and in our capacity as sentient human beings we aren't obligated to pretend that never happened. So until my judgeship appointment comes through, I feel comfortable using that phrase.

In addition, while legally speaking, a Trump from pardon is no different than a pardon from any other president, we are also not obligated to ignore all of the shady permutations of this particular act.

 

[rockaction]

I'm not sure what you mean by "hit job", but he pleaded guilty to making straw donations, and the judge declared that DeSouza had "submitted no evidence he was selectively prosecuted."

I'll admit I have no idea whether someone who was pardoned is still legally considered a "convicted felon", but it is indisputable that he was in fact convicted of a felony, and in our capacity as sentient human beings we aren't obligated to pretend that never happened. So until my judgeship appointment comes through, I feel comfortable using that phrase.

In addition, while legally speaking, a Trump from pardon is no different than a pardon from any other president, we are also not obligated to ignore all of the shady permutations of this particular act.

Oh, never mind. 

 

[dozer]

Oh, never mind. 

If you have something to say, say it.

 

[dkp993]

If you have something to say, say it.

I think his thoughts here are pretty clear. 

As much as I dislike the path Dinesh D'Souza's career has taken, that was a campaign finance hit job, and he was pardoned. He is not a felon. Nor, in essence, was he convicted once given the pardon. 

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

For the record, I think D'Souza's rhetoric, misinformation and racism over the past couple decades have been far more poisonous to our political system than a relatively minor campaign-finance violation. On the other hand, if you blatantly and knowingly break the law, it's hard to take seriously your claims of being railroaded. I may not particularly care about drivers who fail to come to a complete stop at a stop sign, but if you do it right in front of a cop and he gives you a ticket, that's on you.

 

[knowledge dropper]

For the record, I think D'Souza's rhetoric, misinformation and racism over the past couple decades have been far more poisonous to our political system than a relatively minor campaign-finance violation. On the other hand, if you blatantly and knowingly break the law, it's hard to take seriously your claims of being railroaded. I may not particularly care about drivers who fail to come to a complete stop at a stop sign, but if you do it right in front of a cop and he gives you a ticket, that's on you.

Racist?  The dude is darker skinned than 95% of our country 

 

[dkp993]

Racist?  The dude is darker skinned than 95% of our country 

So dark skinned people can’t be racist?   

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Racist?  The dude is darker skinned than 95% of our country 

Sure, Jan

 

[rockaction]

I think his thoughts here are pretty clear. 

Thanks, dkp.

I've actually posted this two times but board updates or malfunctions have deleted it. I have no idea why. So, I looked it up. Dinesh is still a convicted person, he's just considered legally innocent and had all punishments removed. I don't know what on earth that means. I don't know whether the epithet "convicted felon" still applies or what. 

So there you have it. He's still been convicted of a felony, he just suffers none of the consequences. 

 

[rockaction]

Dinesh's turn toward right-wing conspiracy theories and intellectual bomb throwing has been awful. It's been a shame to see how far he's fallen from his initial, thought-provoking book, Illiberal Education. The other books he'd written had given evidence to a slow decline, then around 2002 he took off for the moon in a bad way. 

 

[timschochet]

Dinesh's turn toward right-wing conspiracy theories and intellectual bomb throwing has been awful. It's been a shame to see how far he's fallen from his initial, thought-provoking book, Illiberal Education. The other books he'd written had given evidence to a slow decline, then around 2002 he took off for the moon in a bad way. 

I agree with you. I very much enjoyed his book Whats So Great About America- it was a really thoughtful exploration of the positives of this country (including, incidentally, immigration both documented and undocumented.) D’Souza was a frequent guest back then on Dennis Prager and Hugh Hewitt and I considered the three of them as intellectual leading lights of the conservative movement. I didn’t always agree with them (especially Prager who I always thought was too religious) but I enjoyed them all. I also include Michael Medved in this grouping. And another frequent guest on the Hewitt show: John Eastman. 
 

Then it all went haywire, starting with Obama’s presidency and especially when Trump took office. All of these guys became doppelgängers of what they once were, especially Prager and D’Souza. Medved was the only one who was consistent; he was a critic of Trump from the start and remained one. The result was he was attacked constantly and lost his syndication (replaced by Sebastian Gorka!) Hugh Hewitt might be the worst of all because he knows better. He’s basically sold his soul to the MAGA crowd- really disgusting. 

 

[knowledge dropper]

So dark skinned people can’t be racist?   

He is insinuating that D’Souza is racist against blacks?

 

[FBG Moderator]

Come on now, you know that black people can be racist too...

Every once in a while, you slip up and reveal yourself to be the fraud that you've always been.

Be more cool to other posters.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

He is insinuating that D’Souza is racist against blacks?

No, not insinuating. Stating directly. My evidence is that he has repeatedly made racist statements and expressed racist thoughts. Your counter-evidence is that … he has dark skin?

 

[knowledge dropper]

No, not insinuating. Stating directly. My evidence is that he has repeatedly made racist statements and expressed racist thoughts. Your counter-evidence is that … he has dark skin?

I have not seen any of your evidence of racism. Can you provide?

 

[BladeRunner]

No, not insinuating. Stating directly. My evidence is that he has repeatedly made racist statements and expressed racist thoughts. Your counter-evidence is that … he has dark skin?

Evidence please.  Or is this one of those "trust me" type posts?  Because if it is, you're going to be sorely disappointed in how little people trust you.

I'll be more than happy to review anything you have, I just hope it isn't something like:

• He's racist because 40 years ago someone thought they heard him say X
  
  The one is called "The Kavanaugh Strategy"
  

[*]He's racist because he said the word "black" instead of "African American"

[*]He's racist because that's what we were told

[*]He's racist because he doesn't believe the same things we do

Also, we've been told from the American Left that minorities can't be racist (because it's a white power structure), so you're going to be in a pickle here if you're accusing a minority of racism.  Your side of the aisle may even call you racist for even bringing it up.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

I have not seen any of your evidence of racism. Can you provide?

Evidence please.  Or is this one of those "trust me" type posts?  Because if it is, you're going to be sorely disappointed in how little people trust you.

I'll be more than happy to review anything you have, I just hope it isn't something like:

• He's racist because 40 years ago someone thought they heard him say X
  
• He's racist because he said the word "black" instead of "African American"
  
• He's racist because that's what we were told
  
• He's racist because he doesn't believe the same things we do
  

I think he already provided this as evidence:

Sure, Jan

 

[BladeRunner]

I think he already provided this as evidence:

Okay, do you have actual evidence?  Because that's not evidence of racism. 

Unless you can tell me what you perceive to be the racist component of those things he said?  Because I'm not seeing it.

 

[unckeyherb]

I think he already provided this as evidence:

What he stated is factual.  How is that racist?

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Okay, do you have actual evidence?  Because that's not evidence of racism. 

Unless you can tell me what you perceive to be the racist component of those things he said?  Because I'm not seeing it.

What he stated is factual.  How is that racist?

I’m not going to speak for him but I perceive the four tweets as a whole as being pretty racist.

 

[BladeRunner]

I’m not going to speak for him but I perceive the four tweets as a whole as being pretty racist.

How?  Can you explain to me how those tweets are racist?  As I said, I'm not seeing it. 

Break it down for me like I'm a child.  

 

[sho nuff]

If you don’t  think the ghetto comment about Obama was racist…its hard to understand what someone might actually find racist.

 

[knowledge dropper]

I think he already provided this as evidence:

That’s not racist.  

 

[knowledge dropper]

If you don’t  think the ghetto comment about Obama was racist…its hard to understand what someone might actually find racist.

Context?  Can you provide?  Obama did admit to smoking crack?

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

How?  Can you explain to me how those tweets are racist?  As I said, I'm not seeing it. 

1. Black people are often called “thugs” even when they are not violent criminals.  Calling such people “thugs” based on their skin color (because some OTHER black people committed crimes) seems racist.

2. Calling the Black President of the United States “boy” and saying he’s from the ghetto because he’s using a selfie stick seems racist.

3. The John Lewis tweet is a bad take but not sure if it’s actually racist.

4. Obama is black but does not speak using American black English.  The joke relies on a stereotypical (racist) version of Obama that speaks Ebonics.

 

[sho nuff]

Context?  Can you provide?  Obama did admit to smoking crack?

The context of the tweet in the link above.  Its a pretty racist statement making such ghetto tweets.  i don’t know or care of the man is racist, but that was a pretty blatant example of a racists statement.

Regardless, he seems to be someone not supporting truth, but monetizing more lies. He is not someone who seems to act in good faith on a great number of issues and has little to no credibility on this “documentary”.

 

[knowledge dropper]

1. Black people are often called “thugs” even when they are not violent criminals.  Calling such people “thugs” based on their skin color (because some OTHER black people committed crimes) seems racist.

2. Calling the Black President of the United States “boy” and saying he’s from the ghetto because he’s using a selfie stick seems racist.

3. The John Lewis tweet is a bad take but not sure if it’s actually racist.

4. Obama is black but does not speak using American black English.  The joke relies on a stereotypical (racist) version of Obama that speaks Ebonics.

In YOUR OPINION he is racist.  It is a subjective claim that had been way overused and has lost its’ impact.  It’s okay to say you THINK he is racist and instead of he IS a racist.  The person making the original claim should make that distinction instead of flipping the race card simply because they do not like someone and is intolerant of D’Souza’s art.  

 

[timschochet]

There was also the Birtherism. Like Trump he was a main proponent. 

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

IMO those tweets are self-evidently racist, especially taken as a whole. I would also argue that a number of the positions he has taken re: birtherism, his whole Obama/anti-colonialism theory, "The End of Racism" book, etc. are also racist, although that's a more nuanced discussion.

But in the end, this is all my opinion, which is what I said in my original post. I'm not trying to convict him in court of racism. It's obviously impossible to "prove" someone is racist, particularly if you're trying to convince people who have no interest in being convinced, and particularly if they believe that people with dark skin can't be racist against Blacks.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

In YOUR OPINION he is racist.  It is a subjective claim that had been way overused and has lost its’ impact.  It’s okay to say you THINK he is racist and instead of he IS a racist.  The person making the original claim should make that distinction instead of flipping the race card simply because they do not like someone and is intolerant of D’Souza’s art.  

Um, go back to my post. That's exactly what I said. You were the one who said that was an impossibility because of his dark skin. That would seem to be a much more objective statement. So where's your evidence of that?

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

Also, we've been told from the American Left that minorities can't be racist (because it's a white power structure), so you're going to be in a pickle here if you're accusing a minority of racism.  Your side of the aisle may even call you racist for even bringing it up.

Um, there's only one person in this thread who has expressed the idea that minorities can't be racist, and he wasn't from "the American Left". Take it up with @knowledge dropper

 

[BladeRunner]

Um, there's only one person in this thread who has expressed the idea that minorities can't be racist, and he wasn't from "the American Left". Take it up with @knowledge dropper

Its absolutely what the left says:

https://www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism

 

[knowledge dropper]

Its absolutely what the left says:

https://www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism

This is exactly why I said what I said.  It is said constantly that POC cannot be racist.
 

I know POC can be racist as well as devout liberals.  We see it everyday.  

 

[BladeRunner]

This is exactly why I said what I said.  It is said constantly that POC cannot be racist.
 

I know POC can be racist as well as devout liberals.  We see it everyday.  

Yeah, i knew you did too but moops apparently thought you were serious and didnt detect the sarcasm.

 

[sho nuff]

Its absolutely what the left says:

https://www.aclrc.com/myth-of-reverse-racism

Calgary?  Going to canada to prove what the American left told you?

How about lets stick what people here are actually saying or have said?

 

[knowledge dropper]

Calgary?  Going to canada to prove what the American left told you?

How about lets stick what people here are actually saying or have said?

Please get back on topic.  Are you here to talk about your experience watching this hugely important film?

 

[sho nuff]

Please get back on topic.  Are you here to talk about your experience watching this hugely important film?

You can tell them to get on topic…I responded to a post.  Thanks

A.  This lie is not hugely important.

B.  No, I would not waste money or time watching this film full of lies

Perhaps you should provide a compelling reason why anyone would give their time to watch the same lies repeated?

 

[knowledge dropper]

You can tell them to get on topic…I responded to a post.  Thanks

A.  This lie is not hugely important.

B.  No, I would not waste money or time watching this film full of lies

Perhaps you should provide a compelling reason why anyone would give their time to watch the same lies repeated?

Please quit spamming.  You don’t have to post in every thread.  
 

As the trailer says, we know something was wrong in 2020.  Why are you so averse to finding the truth?  

Good day. 

 

[sho nuff]

Please quit spamming.  You don’t have to post in every thread.  
 

As the trailer says, we know something was wrong in 2020.  Why are you so averse to finding the truth?  

Good day. 

We already have found the truth.  Joe Biden was then winner of the 2020 election.   Every audit and recount has shown that.  Actual cases of fraud appear to have been in favor of Trump/republicans.   Stating so is not spamming the thread…

 

[knowledge dropper]

We already have found the truth.  Joe Biden was then winner of the 2020 election.   Every audit and recount has shown that.  Actual cases of fraud appear to have been in favor of Trump/republicans.   Stating so is not spamming the thread…

A simple “I am not open to seeing any evidence contrary to my dug in opinion but I will continue to post in here to kill discourse” will suffice.  

 

[sho nuff]

A simple “I am not open to seeing any evidence contrary to my dug in opinion but I will continue to post in here to kill discourse” will suffice.  

Im open to seeing evidence.  This is not that.  If they had evidence, it would be presented in court…not used to make money.

Discourse?  Thats funny. 

 

[BladeRunner]

Please quit spamming.  You don’t have to post in every thread.  
 

As the trailer says, we know something was wrong in 2020.  Why are you so averse to finding the truth?  

Good day. 

The mere fact they had footage of the same guy stuffing ballet boxes all over town should - AT THE VERY LEAST - force you to watch a little further to see if there is something to this.

Maybe - just maybe - there is a fire where all this smoke is coming from.

 

[dozer]

Evidence!

 

[sho nuff]

The mere fact they had footage of the same guy stuffing ballet boxes all over town should - AT THE VERY LEAST - force you to watch a little further to see if there is something to this.

Maybe - just maybe - there is a fire where all this smoke is coming from.

If there was more to this it would be presented to a court or something official.

Some of you mock or insult dozer for presenting actual news and facts from court on January 6th…yet we are supposed to watch a movie to get “evidence”?  Because it is “smoke”.  When it appears to be the same regurgitated stuff that has not held up to scrutiny of any kind?

There is no maybe…if there was fire….it wouldn’t appear in a movie.  You know this.

 

[ignatiusjreilly]

If there was more to this it would be presented to a court or something official.

Some of you mock or insult dozer for presenting actual news and facts from court on January 6th…yet we are supposed to watch a movie to get “evidence”?  Because it is “smoke”.  When it appears to be the same regurgitated stuff that has not held up to scrutiny of any kind?

There is no maybe…if there was fire….it wouldn’t appear in a movie.  You know this.

As everyone knows, if you really want to know the truth, you need to watch YouTube

 

[knowledge dropper]

I can’t imagine the painstaking work put in by True the Vote to bring this evidence to light.  
 

DSouza explains how geotracking was used to gather evidence into 2020 ballot harvesting

 

[timschochet]

I'm not trying to convict him in court of racism. 

Although if such a thing were possible, you’d have an easy time of it. 

 

[Witz]

The mere fact they had footage of the same guy stuffing ballet boxes all over town should - AT THE VERY LEAST - force you to watch a little further to see if there is something to this.

Maybe - just maybe - there is a fire where all this smoke is coming from.

Ok - so why hasn’t it been turned over to the authorities? Honestly asking. Why instead is it being kept to produce a ‘for profit’ movie?