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2005 FBG/ NFL Mock Draft (1 Viewer)
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texasyankee
Footballguy
I am in for the Vikings if unclaimed
Yeah, that's why we are wating til after the Super Bowl is over, so that we have the final draft order set and know which underclassmen are declaring for the draft.Bloom, after you questioned the idea of being able to trade picks, I started to think about it alot in depth today. I agree with you now that having trades would "muddy" up the waters way too much. Not only would it slow up the draft considerably, it would also make the mock much less accurate then it would have been had we just left it "vanilla" IMO.Additionally, I just don't see that many teams being able to trade down this year. there simply isnt tremendous value in the first 6 picks, so I don't see why people sitting in the 8-14 range would want to give up 2nd or 3rds to move up a few picks. The only case I see a lot of value in trading down is if Leinart declares and THe 49er's decide that they want to fill a lot of holes instead of having to pay a #1 pick QB a boatload of money that they don't have.So, There will be no trading.
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why can't I move Travis Henry for a pick if another team wants him?you're really killing our chances of having a decent draft with this no trade rule. 
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Football Jones
Footballguy
I'll take the Saints
BURN!
Aaaron, I knew this was coming. I went over in my head several times what should we do to account for the uncertainties that would greatly affect our draft. Such as where would Travis Henry end up and for what price. Also, how do we account for free Agents like SA and others when we don't know where they will end up. Or how in the world do we account for possible salary cap Casualties like my titans Kevin Carter. Do we just preface the draft by saying Kevin Carter got cut, SA now plays for Raiders, and Henry got traded to the Dolphins? So, It's a tough call to account for all these variablesTHe reason why I all along said that we could trade picks was because I believe that it will make this whole thing a lot more fun. My concern was that if people start trying to pull off last minute trades in the WAR ROOM then this darn draft may never end. It's not like the real NFL where there are 10 phones in each WAr ROOM where you can solicit your picks to everyone and they actually hear you. There will be some people who will be online at sometimes and others at different times. I just don't wan't it to turn into this whole, " who want's my 10th pick?". Wait three hours nobody shows intererest type thread.Trust me though no one likes to try to swing deals as much as I do. One option that we could go with could be that from now until After the super bowl when the draft happens is " open trading" period. That would keep us busy and interested in the thread for the next few weeks. Does this sound like a good alternative to you Aaron? anyone else? other ideas are welcomed
I'm guessing we'll wind up with at least a dozen or so of these mock drafts before April. That's what we do here once football ends.If you want this to be trade-free, that's cool. Sometimes, the mocks that allow trading do tend to get a little far fetched.You set this up, so I'm cool with whatever you want to do. I just know I'm sitting with a pick in the 50's and Henry is prime trade bait to try and get some more picks for my squad. Allowing trading gives some of us GMs without too many picks a chance to participate instead of just sitting around and waiting.I guess it comes down to this:Would you like this draft to try and be as accurate as possible at predicting which players go where?ORIs this just a way to start off all our draft talk to get an idea of what kind of demand there is out there for players, and to potentially open our eyes to some trade possibilities that might exist?I'm thinking if the goal is accuracy and realism, then not allowing trades is the way to go. But, if you want to just let things fly and see where that takes us, that could also be a fun way to go. Some GMs will undoubtedly make bad or silly looking trades, and some will make shrewd moves that the actual GMs would probably only dream of. It still can be fun to explore those possibilities and they would provide plenty of room for discussion.There is also something to be said for a GM that wants a particular player, but who realizes that it is too soon to take him. If another GM wants to move up to get a guy they really want, no reason to not allow that to happen.Which leads me to a 3rd option: you could allow the trading of draft picks, but not allow the trading of players. Players get traded so rarely in the NFL these days, so that wouldn't be all that unrealistic, but it would still give owners flexibility to move around, stockpile picks, etc. I wouldn't be able to move Henry, but that's not a huge deal.Anyway, I'm barely picking in this thing, so don't let me tell you what to do. Do whatever you think is best, or wait for others to chime in with what they want and we'll go from there.I do think at least some trading should be allowed though...no point in being overly rigid this long before draft day.
Evilgrin72
Footballguy
Why not have a period from now until Super Bowl Sunday during which drafters can make trades? At, say, 10 AM on Super Bowl Sunday, the trade negotiation period ends, and all picks are locked in. That way, there will be no last minute shuffling, which could be hard to keep track of.If you're worried about things getting out of hand, and far-fetched, limit each "team" to one trade.
Why are we waiting?We can do a draft that ends before the Super Bowl so lets do one. We can just make a prediction on the draft order and chances are we will not be that far off.Pats win it over the Packers with the Steelers and Eagles losing in the championship game. ( I am a Colts fan)Lets draft!!!Tom
I AGREE, WE can Always Do another ONE after THe SB. Let's just go ahead and do this one now so that we can all get our "fix". I mean seriously am i going to be able to just look at this thread for a month? Ive go tthe Itch!! It will educate all of us on what the perceived team needs actually are as FFChamp pointed out. So, let's say Pittsburgh beats Green Bay in the Super Bowl and here is the order:THe 49ers are on the clock............Full first round order is now posted in my first post.
Dolfan
Footballguy
I've got the Colts over the Falcons with Pittsburgh and St. Louis losing the Champ. games.....The mock draft hasn't even started yet and it is already far fetched. The Steelers not winning the SB.
Unfortunately I tend to agree with this. Unfortunate because I might be interested in trading picks...
Since we are starting so fast, let's just say no trades. This way on our first effort we will just have a good foundation of things to come. Leinart comes to his senses and realizes that he is the consensus #1 pick and declares for the draft. Deangelo Williams stays in school another season becasue of injury concerns and the depth of the RB class this year will cause hom to slip tp far. he knows next year he will be a 1st rounder
not at all, its just that trades increase the possibilities for a pick 10fold:who do you trade the pick to?do you trade for picks or players?which players?if we are fielding all kinds of offers and countering and so on, itll become mind-bogglingly complicated. remember that these teams only have 15 minutes at most on the clock, theres no way we can reproduce that - itll cause analysis paralysis.edit: with the giants, i am stuck not picking until the 2nd round, so yeah, i am in a hurry.Bloom, you in a hurry or something?
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Nucular George
Footballguy
Wouldn't St. Louis and Seattle both be below the non-playoff teams in the draft order?
Ltaylor,Not to tell you how to run this or anything but you might want to set a time to start and a time limit for selections.Since a great deal of people thought the Super Bowl was the start date they might not realize that we changed it up a bit.Maybe Sunday morning kicks it off?Re: trades, lets avoid it altogether since we are not educated enough on players salaries/contracts that may be dealt, the propsective team direction (not needs but direction) and we will undoubtedly have many more deals than the real NFL draft so it will become non-realistic rather quickly.Just my $ .02Tom
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
ltaylor, I say you jut start now with no time limit we have nothing but time. trade don't really matter to me if we have them or not.SF 9 ers - are on the clock. But has leinart declared yet? I say he is gonna.
cstu
Footballguy
I agree, Leinart is gone. I'm sure he'd like to stay, he be will leaving college at the perfect time - right after a memorable game against the Sooners for his 2nd national title. I can't see him passing on roughly $40 million and possibly tarnishing his college record to come back another year. He has nothing to prove since anything less than a national title next year would be a disappointment.
Koya
Footballguy
if you want input from another giants homer, let me know via pm ,will be glad to give my advice. both on what I would like them to do, and how they will actually mess up.not at all, its just that trades increase the possibilities for a pick 10fold:who do you trade the pick to?do you trade for picks or players?which players?if we are fielding all kinds of offers and countering and so on, itll become mind-bogglingly complicated. remember that these teams only have 15 minutes at most on the clock, theres no way we can reproduce that - itll cause analysis paralysis.edit: with the giants, i am stuck not picking until the 2nd round, so yeah, i am in a hurry.Bloom, you in a hurry or something?
Mike Williams said all the same things last year.I'm not saying he will or he won't, but it would really be very stupid for him to stay another year when he could already be the #1 pick in the draft this year and guarantee himself security for the rest of his life. A lot of bad things can happen in a year.
That's basically what i was trying to do is just get it started and just run with it. i don't want to have it where everyone has to be here at a certain time and there is some 5 minute time limit because that would defeat the purpose of the thread. I want people to make an insightful explanation as to why they picked who they did which takes time. And like you said we have plenty of it. i am going to post on the first page of that the draft has started and that if hollaatyaboy doesn't pick by Sunday we will give him Leinart.
Nucular George
Footballguy
That's not true. I recall Carnell Williams not saying anything and then after the deadline pointing out the obvious fact that he said nothing about declaring and that he would be returning. His return surprised most people.
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dolfan, there is no time limit "within reason". If he hasnt picked by then that will have been 4 days since the guy put in his name for the 49ers without any show of him since then. At that point he his is for all practical purposes a "no show" IMO. I woulld be happy to assign an alternate if we know of someone who is online that will pick for the 49ers with good knowledge.
cstu
Footballguy
If you want, I can take over the 49ers drafting. My pick would be Leinart - I just don't see anyone worth taking that high (assuming D'Brick Ferguson doesn't declare). The real 49ers will look to trade down if anyone really wants Leinart. They have a lot of positions to fill, especially OL, and they would love to trade down 10 spots or so and get Alex Barron.
Brave Sir Robin
Footballguy
Dolfan
Footballguy
ltaylor,We going to wait until next weekend to make sure Leinart is eligible, or do you just want to roll with it, assuming he's in and the 49ers take him??Sounds like some people think he might stay at USC and we should wait to see... I just wanted to make sure that's what we are doing and put this back on the front page..
-OZ-
Footballguy
I believe you're right, even more so when you end up using the #1 anyway.SF keeps getting hosed, when they get the top pick, noone is worth it.If Leinhart stays in school, who is the top pick? Rodgers? Benson (not likely), Barron? Braylon Edwards or Mike Williams? There is little difference IMO from the #1 to #6 spot this year.If only a team could say "we'll wait til next year to use the pick"
Because there is much debate over whether Leinart is going to come out or not and his decision will highly affect the draft, we shoulf wait til after the 15th to start the draft. Save the 'Flip, Flop" commments for later.so the draft will start Monday January 17th at 1000am EST.
good decision
Evilgrin72
Footballguy
Who was the lady who would not give up her seat on the bus....Hmmm, that's a tough one. Are you sure it was a woman ? Oh, I got it... Martina Luther King !!- Chris RockI hope that's a typing issue
Evilgrin72
Footballguy
This is maybe 5 posts up.........
