Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Thanks man. I had some salary cap issues that made me want to get out of the first round and Clayton and Watson were cheap.
You mean you received the 1.7 and 1.8 correct?I unloaded the 1.7 and 1.8 for Roy Williams, Tony Gonzo, and Lee Suggs...
Not bad considering i'm looking at the best WR available and a possible stud TE in Davis at those picks.
Well...I guess you are entitled to your opinion. With all your supreme knowledge playing in A 12 TEAM dynasty. Wow! Gotta be pretty good to be in that 12 teamer of yours. I could never compete and I'm sure you'd show me up year in and year out...Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha... . Bottom line is, I'd rather have the #8 and #12 and take whatever RB falls to me at #8 and a qb at #12 or whatever else I feel like doing. Maybe I take Hawk, maybe I take V. Davis, the point is that now I have TWO decent first round picks instead of ONE. And you obviously are too full of yourself or too ignorant to understand that you have better odds of success with TWO picks. This way I don't have to put all my eggs in one basket.Wow do you have a convoluted view of the rookie draft...Maroney at #8?? LOL.I just traded the #4 pick for the #8 and #12. I had no immediate need at RB or QB. I still think I can get one of the top 7 players like Cutler, Young, or possibly even Maroney with #8. I could possibly get Cutler and Addai/Drew. Depending on where Addai or Drew land that could be pretty good. Or I could get AJ Hawk or Mario Williams. I still have flexibility to go various routes. The #4 pick has just as much likelihood of being a bust as the #32. Especially when you are talking about a bunch of smallish RB's that had less than spectacular years...with the exception of Bush and maybe D. Williams.
Addai/Drew at #12 if they land in a good situation?? LMAO. If they land in a good situation they won't even be there at 8.
#4 pick has as much likelihood of being a bust as the #32?? HAHA.
I'm really not trying to show you up or anything but man did you get taken bigtime on that trade...
Guys.That's why this trade works.Well...I guess you are entitled to your opinion. With all your supreme knowledge playing in A 12 TEAM dynasty. Wow! Gotta be pretty good to be in that 12 teamer of yours. I could never compete and I'm sure you'd show me up year in and year out...Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha... . Bottom line is, I'd rather have the #8 and #12 and take whatever RB falls to me at #8 and a qb at #12 or whatever else I feel like doing. Maybe I take Hawk, maybe I take V. Davis, the point is that now I have TWO decent first round picks instead of ONE. And you obviously are too full of yourself or too ignorant to understand that you have better odds of success with TWO picks. This way I don't have to put all my eggs in one basket.Wow do you have a convoluted view of the rookie draft...Maroney at #8?? LOL.I just traded the #4 pick for the #8 and #12. I had no immediate need at RB or QB. I still think I can get one of the top 7 players like Cutler, Young, or possibly even Maroney with #8. I could possibly get Cutler and Addai/Drew. Depending on where Addai or Drew land that could be pretty good. Or I could get AJ Hawk or Mario Williams. I still have flexibility to go various routes. The #4 pick has just as much likelihood of being a bust as the #32. Especially when you are talking about a bunch of smallish RB's that had less than spectacular years...with the exception of Bush and maybe D. Williams.
Addai/Drew at #12 if they land in a good situation?? LMAO. If they land in a good situation they won't even be there at 8.
#4 pick has as much likelihood of being a bust as the #32?? HAHA.
I'm really not trying to show you up or anything but man did you get taken bigtime on that trade...
p.s.Guys.That's why this trade works.Well...I guess you are entitled to your opinion. With all your supreme knowledge playing in A 12 TEAM dynasty. Wow! Gotta be pretty good to be in that 12 teamer of yours. I could never compete and I'm sure you'd show me up year in and year out...Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha... . Bottom line is, I'd rather have the #8 and #12 and take whatever RB falls to me at #8 and a qb at #12 or whatever else I feel like doing. Maybe I take Hawk, maybe I take V. Davis, the point is that now I have TWO decent first round picks instead of ONE. And you obviously are too full of yourself or too ignorant to understand that you have better odds of success with TWO picks. This way I don't have to put all my eggs in one basket.Wow do you have a convoluted view of the rookie draft...Maroney at #8?? LOL.I just traded the #4 pick for the #8 and #12. I had no immediate need at RB or QB. I still think I can get one of the top 7 players like Cutler, Young, or possibly even Maroney with #8. I could possibly get Cutler and Addai/Drew. Depending on where Addai or Drew land that could be pretty good. Or I could get AJ Hawk or Mario Williams. I still have flexibility to go various routes. The #4 pick has just as much likelihood of being a bust as the #32. Especially when you are talking about a bunch of smallish RB's that had less than spectacular years...with the exception of Bush and maybe D. Williams.
Addai/Drew at #12 if they land in a good situation?? LMAO. If they land in a good situation they won't even be there at 8.
#4 pick has as much likelihood of being a bust as the #32?? HAHA.
I'm really not trying to show you up or anything but man did you get taken bigtime on that trade...
Both teams that made the trade, were thinking different.
No one is wrong. No one knows more.
Pick 4 is one of the 4 RB's which ever one is there.
Picks 8 and 12 is who knows?. Who knows for some is to risky.
Going by pick value pick 4=1800.
Pick 8=1400 and pick 12=1200.
So I see why having the two picks would also be good.
But again it was a fair trade.
Thanks GregR for pick value.
If that's a small league A large league, I'm not so sure. Fitz is a big time stud, but Braylon may be as well. If you have large lineups, I think I prefer the other side.I traded 1.05, Braylon Edwards, Thomas Jones, Derrick Mason, and Muhsin Muhammed for Larry Fitzgerald.
Wait, I don't think the criticism came so much for what you dealt as it did for who you think will be there at those picks. In most (if not all) leagues, Maroney won't be there at 8 nor will RB #5 in this draft at 12. That's what he was saying, and based on thinking if you're getting those players, then you got hosed in the deal. Most likely you end up with QB #2 and either Vernon Davis or RB #6 or 7 with what you got, and time will tell what is better to have. In your situation maybe that's better to have.p.s.Guys.That's why this trade works.Well...I guess you are entitled to your opinion. With all your supreme knowledge playing in A 12 TEAM dynasty. Wow! Gotta be pretty good to be in that 12 teamer of yours. I could never compete and I'm sure you'd show me up year in and year out...Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha... . Bottom line is, I'd rather have the #8 and #12 and take whatever RB falls to me at #8 and a qb at #12 or whatever else I feel like doing. Maybe I take Hawk, maybe I take V. Davis, the point is that now I have TWO decent first round picks instead of ONE. And you obviously are too full of yourself or too ignorant to understand that you have better odds of success with TWO picks. This way I don't have to put all my eggs in one basket.Wow do you have a convoluted view of the rookie draft...Maroney at #8?? LOL.I just traded the #4 pick for the #8 and #12. I had no immediate need at RB or QB. I still think I can get one of the top 7 players like Cutler, Young, or possibly even Maroney with #8. I could possibly get Cutler and Addai/Drew. Depending on where Addai or Drew land that could be pretty good. Or I could get AJ Hawk or Mario Williams. I still have flexibility to go various routes. The #4 pick has just as much likelihood of being a bust as the #32. Especially when you are talking about a bunch of smallish RB's that had less than spectacular years...with the exception of Bush and maybe D. Williams.
Addai/Drew at #12 if they land in a good situation?? LMAO. If they land in a good situation they won't even be there at 8.
#4 pick has as much likelihood of being a bust as the #32?? HAHA.
I'm really not trying to show you up or anything but man did you get taken bigtime on that trade...
Both teams that made the trade, were thinking different.
No one is wrong. No one knows more.
Pick 4 is one of the 4 RB's which ever one is there.
Picks 8 and 12 is who knows?. Who knows for some is to risky.
Going by pick value pick 4=1800.
Pick 8=1400 and pick 12=1200.
So I see why having the two picks would also be good.
But again it was a fair trade.
Thanks GregR for pick value.
I'm now trying to trade the #12 and another player for the #14 and #16. That would leave me with 3 of the top 32 picks. So, in theory, I could end up with Addai/Calhoun/Harrison/Norwood...best scenario, or one of the top 3 qb's, the top TE or the top WR, and the top LB possibly. There is alot of options I could go with and I'd rather have that than...the #4 pick. But I'm sure the guy that got #4 is happy too because he has a couple later picks as well.
Hate to break it to ya, but you're gonna get laughed at by those owners..ive offere bledose and my 1.5 for 1.2 and houshmanzadeh and 1.5 for 1.3. i think both of those offers are fair.
Hate to break it to ya, but you're gonna get laughed at by those owners..ive offere bledose and my 1.5 for 1.2 and houshmanzadeh and 1.5 for 1.3. i think both of those offers are fair.
You'll definitely be able to get a Rb at #5. Addai or Calhoun or Norwood for example. Here's a promising tidbit.Teams needing a RB:im sitting at 1.5 in my zealots dynasty draft. i am in desperate need of a rb. i have a pretty solid team with lots of depth everywhere except rb and te. im torn on making a move now and having to move up to 1.2 or 1.3 to make sure i get a solid rb or wait and see how the draft falls out to see if there will be a rb at 1.5. or just stand pat and build team depth by taking a te or qb at that spot. below is my team your thought. the team with 1.2 needs a qb,and the team at 1.3 needs wr help. ive offere bledose and my 1.5 for 1.2 and houshmanzadeh and 1.5 for 1.3. i think both of those offers are fair.
Bledsoe, Drew DAL QB 252.66 9
Dilfer, Trent CLE QB 127.54 4
Frye, Charlie CLE QB 58.38 4
Manning, Peyton IND QB 300.38 8
Sorgi, Jim IND QB 32.46 8
Arrington, J.J. ARI RB 61.90 6
Barber, Marion DAL RB 102.45 9
Barber, Tiki NYG RB 310.00 5
Fason, Ciatrick MIN RB 29.70 5
Haynes, Verron PIT RB 58.80 4
Jones, Julius DAL RB 148.20 9
Pinner, Artose DET RB 77.00 3
Shipp, Marcel ARI RB 71.60 6
Staley, Duce PIT RB 24.20 4
Thompson, Tyson DAL RB 54.81 9
Edwards, Braylon CLE WR (I) 70.20 4
Evans, Lee BUF WR 125.10 9
Glenn, Terry DAL WR 168.20 9
Houshmandzadeh, T.J. CIN WR 152.10 10
McDonald, Shaun STL WR 54.70 9
Muhammad, Muhsin CHI WR 105.00 4
Toomer, Amani NYG WR 112.40 5
Warrick, Peter SEA WR 20.95 8
Williams, Roy DET WR 118.70 3
Williams, Roydell TEN WR (I) 41.90 10
Duke, Wesley DEN TE 8.20 9
Everett, Kevin BUF TE - 9
Heap, Todd BAL TE 128.50 3
Kaeding, Nate SDC PK 127.60 10
Freeney, Dwight IND DE 77.00 8
Mathis, Robert IND DE 102.00 8
Spicer, Paul JAC DE 62.50 7
Suggs, Terrell BAL DE 101.30 3
Brooking, Keith ATL LB 140.00 8
Edwards, Donnie SDC LB 165.50 10
Greenwood, Morlon HOU LB 114.00 3
Morrison, Kirk OAK LB 109.50 5
Ruud, Barrett TBB LB 18.00 7
Smith, Derek M SFO LB 120.30 6
Thurman, Odell CIN LB 134.90 10
Clements, Nate BUF CB 121.10 9
Miller, Justin NYJ CB 79.57 8
Robinson, Dunta HOU CB 96.60 3
Williams, Darrent DEN CB 110.05 9
Collins, Nick GBP S 94.00 6
Reed, Edward BAL S 49.30 3
12 team league, starting lineups are 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 2 flex. I am fortunate enough that not a single player that I gave up was slated to start for my team and could afford to overpay a little for a guy I wanted.If that's a small league A large league, I'm not so sure. Fitz is a big time stud, but Braylon may be as well. If you have large lineups, I think I prefer the other side.I traded 1.05, Braylon Edwards, Thomas Jones, Derrick Mason, and Muhsin Muhammed for Larry Fitzgerald.
FWIW, I'm thinking the probable upside for the 1.05 pick right now is Chris Perry. Talented RB, won't start for a couple years, but shows great promise.
im curious why you think that. the guy at 1.2 is going intio the season with rex grossman at his only starter and the guy at 1.3 has these wr: calico, colbert, d.henderson, stallworth, lloyd, and antonio chatman. slim pickens there and his rb are benson, droughns, ricky williams,l. jordan, tj duckett, and westbrook. why would he not want to bolster his wr. by dropping down to 1.5 he can still take a rb and have housh. i dont think you thought too, much about your response.Hate to break it to ya, but you're gonna get laughed at by those owners..ive offere bledose and my 1.5 for 1.2 and houshmanzadeh and 1.5 for 1.3. i think both of those offers are fair.
But the overall drop in value is ridiculous on both of these offers. Bledsoe is a short term fix at QB and has little value in a dynasty format. Sure, he's better than Grossman, but he can do better than that for the value he would be giving up there. By a lot.Same holds true for the other guy. Housh has more value than Bledsoe, but not a ton, and if that guy is going to be willing to give up 1.03, he can get an awful lot better of a player than that.im curious why you think that. the guy at 1.2 is going intio the season with rex grossman at his only starter and the guy at 1.3 has these wr: calico, colbert, d.henderson, stallworth, lloyd, and antonio chatman. slim pickens there and his rb are benson, droughns, ricky williams,l. jordan, tj duckett, and westbrook. why would he not want to bolster his wr. by dropping down to 1.5 he can still take a rb and have housh. i dont think you thought too, much about your response.Hate to break it to ya, but you're gonna get laughed at by those owners..ive offere bledose and my 1.5 for 1.2 and houshmanzadeh and 1.5 for 1.3. i think both of those offers are fair.
in your mind, what would it take?
this i great feedback. i've offerred both of these trades. both owners have declined but have said that they were fair offers and are thinking about it. i when i offerred the deal i said that i was just testing the waters and would not make a deal until after the nfl draft . i may not want to move up. i understand the percived value, but what would you offer these owners. i think you have too much value placed on these picks. seriously what is this drop off in value. housh is a young top 25 wr. you could not hope to draft any better this year especially. plus you get to pick at 1.5, there will be a rb, topwr, topqb, or top te there. im a firm beliver in i can only play 2 rbs it does me no good having 6 and no wrs. obviously we all want the home run deal, but really- im not gonna get hosed either for a guy like tatum bell.( drafted third in his rookie class)But the overall drop in value is ridiculous on both of these offers. Bledsoe is a short term fix at QB and has little value in a dynasty format. Sure, he's better than Grossman, but he can do better than that for the value he would be giving up there. By a lot.Same holds true for the other guy. Housh has more value than Bledsoe, but not a ton, and if that guy is going to be willing to give up 1.03, he can get an awful lot better of a player than that.im curious why you think that. the guy at 1.2 is going intio the season with rex grossman at his only starter and the guy at 1.3 has these wr: calico, colbert, d.henderson, stallworth, lloyd, and antonio chatman. slim pickens there and his rb are benson, droughns, ricky williams,l. jordan, tj duckett, and westbrook. why would he not want to bolster his wr. by dropping down to 1.5 he can still take a rb and have housh. i dont think you thought too, much about your response.Hate to break it to ya, but you're gonna get laughed at by those owners..ive offere bledose and my 1.5 for 1.2 and houshmanzadeh and 1.5 for 1.3. i think both of those offers are fair.
in your mind, what would it take?
I could care less what my team looks like - if I'm getting hosed in value while trading down, either in talent or in draft picks, I'm simply not making a deal. You can find other deals that help you as well where you aren't getting hosed. And you are hosing these guys in value by a ton. You simply don't downgrade in talent at a position for players like Bledsoe and Housh, rule #1 of the dynasty format. Either they don't belong in a dynasty league, or they will laugh at you.
Really, I think the problem is that you are overvaluing the 5. As of today, there is a massive drop from 4 to 5. Now, this could change drastically on draft day, like what happened in 04 when Tatum and Julius both went from 2nd tier to 1st based on where they landed. There are a couple of guys like Addai that have potential to make that 5 jump in value, but as it stands today there is just a massive drop.I don't know what format you play in, but just about every dynasty I have played in places an even huger importance on RB than you would in a redraft. You simply can't get them. There are 2 ways - overpay like mad, or draft one. WR's and QB's not so much. These guys have the chance to draft one, very young ones on top of that, and that lottery ticket has some massive value.this i great feedback. i've offerred both of these trades. both owners have declined but have said that they were fair offers and are thinking about it. i when i offerred the deal i said that i was just testing the waters and would not make a deal until after the nfl draft . i may not want to move up. i understand the percived value, but what would you offer these owners. i think you have too much value placed on these picks. seriously what is this drop off in value. housh is a young top 25 wr. you could not hope to draft any better this year especially. plus you get to pick at 1.5, there will be a rb, topwr, topqb, or top te there. im a firm beliver in i can only play 2 rbs it does me no good having 6 and no wrs. obviously we all want the home run deal, but really- im not gonna get hosed either for a guy like tatum bell.( drafted third in his rookie class)But the overall drop in value is ridiculous on both of these offers. Bledsoe is a short term fix at QB and has little value in a dynasty format. Sure, he's better than Grossman, but he can do better than that for the value he would be giving up there. By a lot.Same holds true for the other guy. Housh has more value than Bledsoe, but not a ton, and if that guy is going to be willing to give up 1.03, he can get an awful lot better of a player than that.im curious why you think that. the guy at 1.2 is going intio the season with rex grossman at his only starter and the guy at 1.3 has these wr: calico, colbert, d.henderson, stallworth, lloyd, and antonio chatman. slim pickens there and his rb are benson, droughns, ricky williams,l. jordan, tj duckett, and westbrook. why would he not want to bolster his wr. by dropping down to 1.5 he can still take a rb and have housh. i dont think you thought too, much about your response.Hate to break it to ya, but you're gonna get laughed at by those owners..ive offere bledose and my 1.5 for 1.2 and houshmanzadeh and 1.5 for 1.3. i think both of those offers are fair.
in your mind, what would it take?
I could care less what my team looks like - if I'm getting hosed in value while trading down, either in talent or in draft picks, I'm simply not making a deal. You can find other deals that help you as well where you aren't getting hosed. And you are hosing these guys in value by a ton. You simply don't downgrade in talent at a position for players like Bledsoe and Housh, rule #1 of the dynasty format. Either they don't belong in a dynasty league, or they will laugh at you.
it not like this is a proven rb. like LT or alexander.
please,
respond
I truly believe that in both those trade offers, if you'd been looking to move up just ONE slot, you'd have been turned down.Really, I think the problem is that you are overvaluing the 5. As of today, there is a massive drop from 4 to 5. Now, this could change drastically on draft day, like what happened in 04 when Tatum and Julius both went from 2nd tier to 1st based on where they landed. There are a couple of guys like Addai that have potential to make that 5 jump in value, but as it stands today there is just a massive drop.I don't know what format you play in, but just about every dynasty I have played in places an even huger importance on RB than you would in a redraft. You simply can't get them. There are 2 ways - overpay like mad, or draft one. WR's and QB's not so much. These guys have the chance to draft one, very young ones on top of that, and that lottery ticket has some massive value.this i great feedback. i've offerred both of these trades. both owners have declined but have said that they were fair offers and are thinking about it. i when i offerred the deal i said that i was just testing the waters and would not make a deal until after the nfl draft . i may not want to move up. i understand the percived value, but what would you offer these owners. i think you have too much value placed on these picks. seriously what is this drop off in value. housh is a young top 25 wr. you could not hope to draft any better this year especially. plus you get to pick at 1.5, there will be a rb, topwr, topqb, or top te there. im a firm beliver in i can only play 2 rbs it does me no good having 6 and no wrs. obviously we all want the home run deal, but really- im not gonna get hosed either for a guy like tatum bell.( drafted third in his rookie class)But the overall drop in value is ridiculous on both of these offers. Bledsoe is a short term fix at QB and has little value in a dynasty format. Sure, he's better than Grossman, but he can do better than that for the value he would be giving up there. By a lot.Same holds true for the other guy. Housh has more value than Bledsoe, but not a ton, and if that guy is going to be willing to give up 1.03, he can get an awful lot better of a player than that.im curious why you think that. the guy at 1.2 is going intio the season with rex grossman at his only starter and the guy at 1.3 has these wr: calico, colbert, d.henderson, stallworth, lloyd, and antonio chatman. slim pickens there and his rb are benson, droughns, ricky williams,l. jordan, tj duckett, and westbrook. why would he not want to bolster his wr. by dropping down to 1.5 he can still take a rb and have housh. i dont think you thought too, much about your response.Hate to break it to ya, but you're gonna get laughed at by those owners..ive offere bledose and my 1.5 for 1.2 and houshmanzadeh and 1.5 for 1.3. i think both of those offers are fair.
in your mind, what would it take?
I could care less what my team looks like - if I'm getting hosed in value while trading down, either in talent or in draft picks, I'm simply not making a deal. You can find other deals that help you as well where you aren't getting hosed. And you are hosing these guys in value by a ton. You simply don't downgrade in talent at a position for players like Bledsoe and Housh, rule #1 of the dynasty format. Either they don't belong in a dynasty league, or they will laugh at you.
it not like this is a proven rb. like LT or alexander.
please,
respond
Think of it this way, no the pick isn't proven like LT or Alexander, but unless you had a pick like these ones back in 00 and 01 respectively, you don't have Alexander or LT. Unless you payed out your you know what... These guys have a chance to get the next LT, Alexander, Edge, Ricky, Jamal Lewis, Caddy, etc, etc and unless they get something hugely attractive there is no reason to trade that chance. Your pick is on the outside looking in at this point, and Bledsoe or Housh just aren't the calibre of players that are going to get you in unless these guys simply don't know what they're doing.
Not sure if I like your side?1.4 and Wayne would be fine by me.In one dynasty league I'm in, I had to trade 1.04 and Reggie Wayne for 1.02 and Reggie Brown.
well. i was able to move up to 1.3.I truly believe that in both those trade offers, if you'd been looking to move up just ONE slot, you'd have been turned down.Really, I think the problem is that you are overvaluing the 5. As of today, there is a massive drop from 4 to 5. Now, this could change drastically on draft day, like what happened in 04 when Tatum and Julius both went from 2nd tier to 1st based on where they landed. There are a couple of guys like Addai that have potential to make that 5 jump in value, but as it stands today there is just a massive drop.I don't know what format you play in, but just about every dynasty I have played in places an even huger importance on RB than you would in a redraft. You simply can't get them. There are 2 ways - overpay like mad, or draft one. WR's and QB's not so much. These guys have the chance to draft one, very young ones on top of that, and that lottery ticket has some massive value.this i great feedback. i've offerred both of these trades. both owners have declined but have said that they were fair offers and are thinking about it. i when i offerred the deal i said that i was just testing the waters and would not make a deal until after the nfl draft . i may not want to move up. i understand the percived value, but what would you offer these owners. i think you have too much value placed on these picks. seriously what is this drop off in value. housh is a young top 25 wr. you could not hope to draft any better this year especially. plus you get to pick at 1.5, there will be a rb, topwr, topqb, or top te there. im a firm beliver in i can only play 2 rbs it does me no good having 6 and no wrs. obviously we all want the home run deal, but really- im not gonna get hosed either for a guy like tatum bell.( drafted third in his rookie class)But the overall drop in value is ridiculous on both of these offers. Bledsoe is a short term fix at QB and has little value in a dynasty format. Sure, he's better than Grossman, but he can do better than that for the value he would be giving up there. By a lot.Same holds true for the other guy. Housh has more value than Bledsoe, but not a ton, and if that guy is going to be willing to give up 1.03, he can get an awful lot better of a player than that.im curious why you think that. the guy at 1.2 is going intio the season with rex grossman at his only starter and the guy at 1.3 has these wr: calico, colbert, d.henderson, stallworth, lloyd, and antonio chatman. slim pickens there and his rb are benson, droughns, ricky williams,l. jordan, tj duckett, and westbrook. why would he not want to bolster his wr. by dropping down to 1.5 he can still take a rb and have housh. i dont think you thought too, much about your response.Hate to break it to ya, but you're gonna get laughed at by those owners..ive offere bledose and my 1.5 for 1.2 and houshmanzadeh and 1.5 for 1.3. i think both of those offers are fair.
in your mind, what would it take?
I could care less what my team looks like - if I'm getting hosed in value while trading down, either in talent or in draft picks, I'm simply not making a deal. You can find other deals that help you as well where you aren't getting hosed. And you are hosing these guys in value by a ton. You simply don't downgrade in talent at a position for players like Bledsoe and Housh, rule #1 of the dynasty format. Either they don't belong in a dynasty league, or they will laugh at you.
it not like this is a proven rb. like LT or alexander.
please,
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Think of it this way, no the pick isn't proven like LT or Alexander, but unless you had a pick like these ones back in 00 and 01 respectively, you don't have Alexander or LT. Unless you payed out your you know what... These guys have a chance to get the next LT, Alexander, Edge, Ricky, Jamal Lewis, Caddy, etc, etc and unless they get something hugely attractive there is no reason to trade that chance. Your pick is on the outside looking in at this point, and Bledsoe or Housh just aren't the calibre of players that are going to get you in unless these guys simply don't know what they're doing.
There should have been....by you after he accepted it. You absolutely robbed the guy there. Great deal for you.well. i was able to move up to 1.3.I truly believe that in both those trade offers, if you'd been looking to move up just ONE slot, you'd have been turned down.Really, I think the problem is that you are overvaluing the 5. As of today, there is a massive drop from 4 to 5. Now, this could change drastically on draft day, like what happened in 04 when Tatum and Julius both went from 2nd tier to 1st based on where they landed. There are a couple of guys like Addai that have potential to make that 5 jump in value, but as it stands today there is just a massive drop.I don't know what format you play in, but just about every dynasty I have played in places an even huger importance on RB than you would in a redraft. You simply can't get them. There are 2 ways - overpay like mad, or draft one. WR's and QB's not so much. These guys have the chance to draft one, very young ones on top of that, and that lottery ticket has some massive value.this i great feedback. i've offerred both of these trades. both owners have declined but have said that they were fair offers and are thinking about it. i when i offerred the deal i said that i was just testing the waters and would not make a deal until after the nfl draft . i may not want to move up. i understand the percived value, but what would you offer these owners. i think you have too much value placed on these picks. seriously what is this drop off in value. housh is a young top 25 wr. you could not hope to draft any better this year especially. plus you get to pick at 1.5, there will be a rb, topwr, topqb, or top te there. im a firm beliver in i can only play 2 rbs it does me no good having 6 and no wrs. obviously we all want the home run deal, but really- im not gonna get hosed either for a guy like tatum bell.( drafted third in his rookie class)But the overall drop in value is ridiculous on both of these offers. Bledsoe is a short term fix at QB and has little value in a dynasty format. Sure, he's better than Grossman, but he can do better than that for the value he would be giving up there. By a lot.Same holds true for the other guy. Housh has more value than Bledsoe, but not a ton, and if that guy is going to be willing to give up 1.03, he can get an awful lot better of a player than that.im curious why you think that. the guy at 1.2 is going intio the season with rex grossman at his only starter and the guy at 1.3 has these wr: calico, colbert, d.henderson, stallworth, lloyd, and antonio chatman. slim pickens there and his rb are benson, droughns, ricky williams,l. jordan, tj duckett, and westbrook. why would he not want to bolster his wr. by dropping down to 1.5 he can still take a rb and have housh. i dont think you thought too, much about your response.Hate to break it to ya, but you're gonna get laughed at by those owners..ive offere bledose and my 1.5 for 1.2 and houshmanzadeh and 1.5 for 1.3. i think both of those offers are fair.
in your mind, what would it take?
I could care less what my team looks like - if I'm getting hosed in value while trading down, either in talent or in draft picks, I'm simply not making a deal. You can find other deals that help you as well where you aren't getting hosed. And you are hosing these guys in value by a ton. You simply don't downgrade in talent at a position for players like Bledsoe and Housh, rule #1 of the dynasty format. Either they don't belong in a dynasty league, or they will laugh at you.
it not like this is a proven rb. like LT or alexander.
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Think of it this way, no the pick isn't proven like LT or Alexander, but unless you had a pick like these ones back in 00 and 01 respectively, you don't have Alexander or LT. Unless you payed out your you know what... These guys have a chance to get the next LT, Alexander, Edge, Ricky, Jamal Lewis, Caddy, etc, etc and unless they get something hugely attractive there is no reason to trade that chance. Your pick is on the outside looking in at this point, and Bledsoe or Housh just aren't the calibre of players that are going to get you in unless these guys simply don't know what they're doing.
i didnt have to give up bledsoe or housh.
i gave my 1.5 and 2.6 for the 1.3. and im happy about this
i think this is a great example how some over rank the value of some spots, i sincerely believe that the above guys would have never of made this deal. however, the guy that made it with me, needs help just about everywhere except at rb, so the value of moving down two spots, plus picking up an extra second round pick in this deep draft was worth it.
there was no laughing, mocking or anything like that.
my league is Z23 i am thelions
Great logic. By the same logic Denver could trade their two first rounders to the Texans for the #1 overall, yet in reality if they offered it they would be laughed at.As a poster above mentioned, my comments had less to do with the trade itself (which I still think was poor) and more to do with your ridiculous assertions as to what players you would target with each of your acquired picks unless you are playing with 2 year olds.Well...I guess you are entitled to your opinion. With all your supreme knowledge playing in A 12 TEAM dynasty. Wow! Gotta be pretty good to be in that 12 teamer of yours. I could never compete and I'm sure you'd show me up year in and year out...Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha... . Bottom line is, I'd rather have the #8 and #12 and take whatever RB falls to me at #8 and a qb at #12 or whatever else I feel like doing. Maybe I take Hawk, maybe I take V. Davis, the point is that now I have TWO decent first round picks instead of ONE. And you obviously are too full of yourself or too ignorant to understand that you have better odds of success with TWO picks. This way I don't have to put all my eggs in one basket.Wow do you have a convoluted view of the rookie draft...Maroney at #8?? LOL.I just traded the #4 pick for the #8 and #12. I had no immediate need at RB or QB. I still think I can get one of the top 7 players like Cutler, Young, or possibly even Maroney with #8. I could possibly get Cutler and Addai/Drew. Depending on where Addai or Drew land that could be pretty good. Or I could get AJ Hawk or Mario Williams. I still have flexibility to go various routes. The #4 pick has just as much likelihood of being a bust as the #32. Especially when you are talking about a bunch of smallish RB's that had less than spectacular years...with the exception of Bush and maybe D. Williams.
Addai/Drew at #12 if they land in a good situation?? LMAO. If they land in a good situation they won't even be there at 8.
#4 pick has as much likelihood of being a bust as the #32?? HAHA.
I'm really not trying to show you up or anything but man did you get taken bigtime on that trade...
And that's why he shouldn't have made this deal. What in the world does 2.06 do for him? It's going to be a long shot prospect. He could have got something that would have improved his team...i gave my 1.5 and 2.6 for the 1.3. and im happy about thisthe guy that made it with me, needs help just about everywhere except at rb
I traded it a week ago. Djax/1.05 for DeAngelo.....I would honestly trade away that pick IMO, especially after watching Addai's highlight reels.
to those of you that argued aginst the value of pick 1.05
some of us have argued that this would happen for a while now (i tried to help some of you get the 1.05 pick much cheaper pre-draft)The 1.5 pick just went up a great deal.
What a great thread this is. I hold the #1 Rookie pick, and then don't pick until 3:01. My RB depth is certainly a big question mark, as I have Tiki & Domanick Davis. The rest of my backs are backups....I unfortunately landed the 1:12 pick in the regular draft. So this #1 Rookie pick appears to be very valuable. Perhaps I should trade down a bit and get an extra pick...Thoughts?some of us have argued that this would happen for a while now (i tried to help some of you get the 1.05 pick much cheaper pre-draft)The 1.5 pick just went up a great deal.
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You are a genius. So Maroney will go in the top 5 more than likely. But Drew, whom you appear to have man love for, will most likely be available between the 10 and 12 picks, as will Norwood and Calhoun...as I mentioned earlier. He didn't even land in a very favorable situation but because J-ville dropped a 2nd rounder on him it leads one to believe he will be more than a punt returner. None of the RB's really impress me. They are all smallish and have injury concerns. So why worry about taking whatever RB falls to me at #4 when I can get a top 3 qb with the number 8 pick and possibly still get Drew at #12. This scenario is better than taking a mediocre overhyped running back with the #4.Great logic. By the same logic Denver could trade their two first rounders to the Texans for the #1 overall, yet in reality if they offered it they would be laughed at.As a poster above mentioned, my comments had less to do with the trade itself (which I still think was poor) and more to do with your ridiculous assertions as to what players you would target with each of your acquired picks unless you are playing with 2 year olds.Well...I guess you are entitled to your opinion. With all your supreme knowledge playing in A 12 TEAM dynasty. Wow! Gotta be pretty good to be in that 12 teamer of yours. I could never compete and I'm sure you'd show me up year in and year out...Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha... . Bottom line is, I'd rather have the #8 and #12 and take whatever RB falls to me at #8 and a qb at #12 or whatever else I feel like doing. Maybe I take Hawk, maybe I take V. Davis, the point is that now I have TWO decent first round picks instead of ONE. And you obviously are too full of yourself or too ignorant to understand that you have better odds of success with TWO picks. This way I don't have to put all my eggs in one basket.Wow do you have a convoluted view of the rookie draft...Maroney at #8?? LOL.I just traded the #4 pick for the #8 and #12. I had no immediate need at RB or QB. I still think I can get one of the top 7 players like Cutler, Young, or possibly even Maroney with #8. I could possibly get Cutler and Addai/Drew. Depending on where Addai or Drew land that could be pretty good. Or I could get AJ Hawk or Mario Williams. I still have flexibility to go various routes. The #4 pick has just as much likelihood of being a bust as the #32. Especially when you are talking about a bunch of smallish RB's that had less than spectacular years...with the exception of Bush and maybe D. Williams.
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Addai/Drew at #12 if they land in a good situation?? LMAO. If they land in a good situation they won't even be there at 8.
#4 pick has as much likelihood of being a bust as the #32?? HAHA.
I'm really not trying to show you up or anything but man did you get taken bigtime on that trade...
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I have no desire to sit here and argue is about who is a better FF player, but your equally ridiculous assertion that you're some great FF player because you're in a 32 team league is pompous, and following it up with ridiculous predictions for players falling inconceivably far in the rookie draft makes the statement go from pompous to laughable and embarrassing.
As was mentioned, unless either A) each team starts 1 RB and 42 WRs and 21 QBs or B) you're playing with people that are still too young to have developed basic motor skills the thought that Maroney will go anywhere near the #8 pick or Addai/Drew landing in a good situation will go anywhere near the #12 pick is utterly ridiculous, and if you made the trade based on those assumptions then you're going to be utterly dissapointed when they go off the board long before you're pick is even coming up.
If, knowing those players in those situations would not be available at those spots and you still like the trade for yourself based on some actual reasonable assumptions (which those of course are not) then that's fine, I still don't like the trade for you but it's not totally outrageous. But if you're thinking you're going to get those guys I mentioned, I don't even know how to say how outlandishly ridiculous of an FF player that makes you look like.
In all honesty, I would equate that to a statement like "I traded the 1.01 pick in my redraft for the 1.07 and 1.09 with the thought that I could land LT at the 1.07 and maybe Portis at 1.09".
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'What a great thread this is.'What a great thread this is. I hold the #1 Rookie pick, and then don't pick until 3:01. My RB depth is certainly a big question mark, as I have Tiki & Domanick Davis. The rest of my backs are backups....I unfortunately landed the 1:12 pick in the regular draft. So this #1 Rookie pick appears to be very valuable. Perhaps I should trade down a bit and get an extra pick...Thoughts?some of us have argued that this would happen for a while now (i tried to help some of you get the 1.05 pick much cheaper pre-draft)The 1.5 pick just went up a great deal.
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I agree Bush is very tempting. That being said, if I could get 2 1st round picks (1:02 & 1:08) in exhange for it, I may lean that way. We'll see how it all goes. Thanks for the insight.'What a great thread this is.'What a great thread this is. I hold the #1 Rookie pick, and then don't pick until 3:01. My RB depth is certainly a big question mark, as I have Tiki & Domanick Davis. The rest of my backs are backups....I unfortunately landed the 1:12 pick in the regular draft. So this #1 Rookie pick appears to be very valuable. Perhaps I should trade down a bit and get an extra pick...Thoughts?some of us have argued that this would happen for a while now (i tried to help some of you get the 1.05 pick much cheaper pre-draft)The 1.5 pick just went up a great deal.
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Thanks.
'Perhaps I should trade down a bit and get an extra pick...Thoughts?'
No way. I would keep it and pick Bush. Short of L.T., L.J. or S.A.
Bush and be happy.
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