2007 Cleveland Browns Thread (1 Viewer)

[wadegarrett]

Uh-Oh

 

[Chunky Soup]

Uh-Oh

This is the second thread you've posted this in. What means this.

 

[Bobcat10]

Uh-Oh

This is the second thread you've posted this in. What means this.

Probably the fact that he's on the cover and it says the words "high risk". Cleveland fans shudder at things like this. We have enough things going wrong with low risk moves.

 

[Bobcat10]

Here's to hoping Oakland picks Russell and Millen botches the works again...leaving Cleveland with a trade partner. :(

 

[Chunky Soup]

Uh-Oh

This is the second thread you've posted this in. What means this.

Probably the fact that he's on the cover and it says the words "high risk". Cleveland fans shudder at things like this. We have enough things going wrong with low risk moves.

:( this is very true. Living in Cleveland I've had a first hand look at many things that have gone horrible wrong. This includes Bentley, Winslow, the city of Cleveland itself, etc.Yet, I think AP is one of the lower risk options at #3. His injury history is overblown and I think he makes the Browns better than any other option available.

I think having the following:

AP/J.Lewis in backfield

Frye/Stanton (or other rookie) at QB

is better than:

J.Lewis + J.Harrison in backfield

Quinn/Frye at QB

and is also better than:

J.Lewis + J.Harrison in backfield

Frye at QB

J.Thomas on OL

I think Frye is servicable in this system, but still, since the QB class is pretty deep of solid prospects, they should draft one in rounds 2/3. The VBD play here is to wait on QB, IMO.

 

[Bobcat10]

I would be all for not going QB at all this year, build up everywhere else we can, see how Frye does, evaluate next season--keep Frye starting or draft 1st round QB like Brohm/whoever or trade/FA vet.

But I'm also not going to destroy my buddies TV if they go Quinn. He might though.

 

[Fallerjw]

Uh-Oh

This is the second thread you've posted this in. What means this.

Probably the fact that he's on the cover and it says the words "high risk". Cleveland fans shudder at things like this. We have enough things going wrong with low risk moves.

this is very true. Living in Cleveland I've had a first hand look at many things that have gone horrible wrong. This includes Bentley, Winslow, the city of Cleveland itself, etc.Yet, I think AP is one of the lower risk options at #3. His injury history is overblown and I think he makes the Browns better than any other option available.

I think having the following:

AP/J.Lewis in backfield

Frye/Stanton (or other rookie) at QB

is better than:

J.Lewis + J.Harrison in backfield

Quinn/Frye at QB

and is also better than:

J.Lewis + J.Harrison in backfield

Frye at QB

J.Thomas on OL

I think Frye is servicable in this system, but still, since the QB class is pretty deep of solid prospects, they should draft one in rounds 2/3. The VBD play here is to wait on QB, IMO.

Interesting that in the example you said was better, you listed 2 draft picks for the Browns, but in the other 2 examples you only listed one.

 

[wadegarrett]

Uh-Oh

This is the second thread you've posted this in. What means this.

This thread: mostly Browns fans.The other: FBG who wouldn't wander in here.

 

[chris1969]

http://clemson-basketball.aolsportsblog.co...ords-go-browns/

So we have that going for us....

 

[Bobcat10]

F'in Butch. We've all known about this stuff....but F'in Butch.

Former Browns pro personnel director Jeremy Green recalls the night before the 2001 draft -- Butch Davis' first as head coach and decision-maker in Cleveland.

Then-General Manager Dwight Clark told the personnel department that the Browns were set to pick defensive tackle Richard Seymour with the No. 3 overall pick.

"The next morning, we find out Butch is picking Gerard Warren," Green said. "Apparently, he not only disregarded our evaluations, he didn't trust us. It got the whole regime off to a bad start."

Green said Seymour was clearly ranked higher on the Browns' board than Warren, whom Davis and his right-hand man Pete Garcia had recruited while at Miami.

"To a man, I don't think one person thought Gerard was a better person or a better player than Richard Seymour," Green said.

Seymour, picked sixth by the Patriots, went on to five straight Pro Bowls, while Warren never made one -- or the impact that everyone expected from a No. 3 overall pick. He was traded to Denver in March 2005 for a fourth-round pick.

What's more, Davis, now head coach at North Carolina, also in 2001 passed up future Hall of Fame running back LaDainian Tomlinson, whom former San Diego Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer said might be the greatest running back in NFL history.

Davis, who declined to be interviewed for this story, later admitted he regretted not taking Tomlinson.

But the Warren story is just one of many that illustrates how bad the Browns' drafting was between 1999 and 2004 - before current General Manager Phil Savage was hired to clean up the mess.

"That core group of players from '99 to ['04], when you have three, four, five players left from 50-some odd draft picks, that's a difficult thing to overcome," Savage said. "We've tried to with free agency, we've tried to with trades, we've tried to with waiver pickups. We certainly have tried to in the draft. I do feel like, at the conclusion of this draft, going into next season, we're going to be much closer in terms of having a real solid group of players."

Green, who was hired by Clark in 2000, left the Browns following the 2004 season after Savage arrived. Now the pro scouting director for Scouts Inc. and an analyst for ESPN.com, he said the Browns should have at least four or five core players on the roster from those bountiful expansion years. Instead, they have none.

"[Quarterback] Tim Couch [1999] goes down in my book as a bust because he never resurfaced anywhere," Green said. "[Defensive end] Courtney Brown [2000] was plagued by injuries, but never became the elite pass rusher he was drafted to be."

Green also said it didn't help that a lot of young players were forced early into the lineup on a bad expansion team. "Some were bad picks, but they had no time to develop," he said.

"When Davis and Garcia took over, they overlooked the personnel department and relied too much on players they had recruited," Green said. "I like Butch and think he's a good coach, but he tried to take on too much."

He said that when Davis picked Boston College running back William Green in 2002, the scouts were concerned about Green's character. Besides, Davis had just picked former Miami running back James Jackson in the third round the year before.

"It seemed like every draft we were cleaning up the mistakes from the year before," Jeremy Green said.

He said the same thing happened in 2003 when Davis drafted center Jeff Faine, who's now starting for New Orleans. Green said the scouts all felt Iowa guard Eric Steinbach was the better player. Besides, they had drafted Melvin Fowler in the third round the year before and thought he could be a serviceable center.

"We desperately needed a guard and Steinbach could also play center and tackle," Green said.

Steinbach, signed by the Browns as a free agent in March, was picked 33rd overall by the Bengals in 2003 and became a two-time Pro Bowl alternate. Perhaps even more baffling that year, Green said, was the second-round pick of linebacker Chaun Thompson out of tiny West Texas A&M. He said Thompson had speed, but was picked way too high, and that safety Chris Crocker was picked a round too high in the third round. "The whole draft was odd," Green said.

He also wondered if the Browns got outfoxed by the Lions in 2004 when they traded a second-round pick to move up one spot from No. 7 to No. 6 to draft tight end Kellen Winslow Jr., "a player Detroit wasn't going to pick," Green said.

He acknowledged that some of the early picks were deemed expendable by the new regimes. To Davis' credit, he drafted three of the best players on the Browns - Winslow, safety Sean Jones and linebacker Andra Davis. A few others, such as cornerback Anthony Henry, have fared well with other teams.

"But those Davis-Garcia years set this team back a lot," Green said.

Savage, who helped pick 10 Pro Bowlers during his tenure with the Ravens, had a good draft in 2006 and a marginal one in 2005. If receiver Braylon Edwards becomes a Pro Bowler, safety Brodney Pool a starter and quarterback Charlie Frye remains a starter, the 2005 draft will be considered a success even though the second day was basically a wash.

In 2006, Savage hit on No. 1 pick Kamerion Wimbley, No. 2 D'Qwell Jackson and No. 4 pick Leon Williams, all linebackers. Third-rounder Travis Wilson, a receiver, and sixth-rounder Lawrence Vickers, a fullback, can develop into starters.

"They seem to be off to a good start," Green said.

Butch

 

[BGP]

"It seemed like every draft we were cleaning up the mistakes from the year before," Jeremy Green said. He said the same thing happened in 2003 when Davis drafted center Jeff Faine, who's now starting for New Orleans. Green said the scouts all felt Iowa guard Eric Steinbach was the better player. Besides, they had drafted Melvin Fowler in the third round the year before and thought he could be a serviceable center. "We desperately needed a guard and Steinbach could also play center and tackle," Green said.

Honestly, Jeff Faine was the best center the NFL in 2006 (with the Saints) according to some analysts. He was a pro-bowl alternate. Amazing.

ALL-PRO team:CENTERThe usual suspects were here like Dan Koppen, Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings, and Jeff Saturday. Nick Mangold made a nice run at it, which is surprising since most rookies don’t do much and the Marcus McNeill’s are the extremely rare exceptions.The surprises were Philly’s Jamaal Jackson and Dallas’ Andre Gurode. But as the season wore down, they started to tail off and Jackson had Todd Herremans not helping matters and Gurode had Marco Rivera working against him.Olin Kreutz? Great run blocker, but a penalty making machine whose pass protection has never been his strong suit. You wind up having to have good pass protecting guards around him or the QB will get killed. Richie Incognito? Best run blocking center I saw (which is the most important facet for centers), but a penalty making multinational corporation. Take a chill pill and he’d easily be my pick.But I wound up getting it down to Jeff Faine, Casey Wiegmann, and Brad Meester. Meester was taken out because he has good guards by his side and good tailbacks behind him. The Faine versus Wiegmann was a tough decision to make, but I went with Faine since I think he had slightly less to work with at guard and at tailback and Wiegmann won the spot last season.WINNER: JEFF FAINE (NEW ORLEANS)

This wasn't a Butch Davis move - it was a Phil Savage move.

 

[Browns Rule!]

"It seemed like every draft we were cleaning up the mistakes from the year before," Jeremy Green said. He said the same thing happened in 2003 when Davis drafted center Jeff Faine, who's now starting for New Orleans. Green said the scouts all felt Iowa guard Eric Steinbach was the better player. Besides, they had drafted Melvin Fowler in the third round the year before and thought he could be a serviceable center. "We desperately needed a guard and Steinbach could also play center and tackle," Green said.

Honestly, Jeff Faine was the best center the NFL in 2006 (with the Saints) according to some analysts. He was a pro-bowl alternate. Amazing.

ALL-PRO team:CENTERThe usual suspects were here like Dan Koppen, Tom Nalen, Jeff Hartings, and Jeff Saturday. Nick Mangold made a nice run at it, which is surprising since most rookies don’t do much and the Marcus McNeill’s are the extremely rare exceptions.The surprises were Philly’s Jamaal Jackson and Dallas’ Andre Gurode. But as the season wore down, they started to tail off and Jackson had Todd Herremans not helping matters and Gurode had Marco Rivera working against him.Olin Kreutz? Great run blocker, but a penalty making machine whose pass protection has never been his strong suit. You wind up having to have good pass protecting guards around him or the QB will get killed. Richie Incognito? Best run blocking center I saw (which is the most important facet for centers), but a penalty making multinational corporation. Take a chill pill and he’d easily be my pick.But I wound up getting it down to Jeff Faine, Casey Wiegmann, and Brad Meester. Meester was taken out because he has good guards by his side and good tailbacks behind him. The Faine versus Wiegmann was a tough decision to make, but I went with Faine since I think he had slightly less to work with at guard and at tailback and Wiegmann won the spot last season.WINNER: JEFF FAINE (NEW ORLEANS)

This wasn't a Butch Davis move - it was a Phil Savage move.

Butch drafted Faine. Savage's first round picks were: 2005 - Braylon Edwards; 2006 - Kameron WimbleyButch's first round picks were 2001 - Big Dummy; 2002 - William Green; 2003 - Jeff Faine; 2004 - Kellen WinslowPalmers first round picks were 1999 - Tim Couch; 2000 - Courtney 'The Quite Raindrop' BrownButch's picks weren't as bad as people make them out to be. I hadn't heard the Seymore story and that one kind of irks me, but he had some really nice picks later on in the drafts. BTW, what is everyone's deal with the Chaun Thompson hating. The guy is actually pretty darn good. I think he should start, he has great speed and doesn't get knocked backwards.

 

[wadegarrett]

From Tony Grossi, who thinks the Browns will take Brayden Tyler Quinn at No. 3, today...

Deep inside info on the Browns

1. If Calvin Johnson somehow is on the board when the Browns’ pick at No. 3, they would take him. He won’t be.

2. Bill Rees, who as director of player personnel has been General Manager Phil Savage’s right-hand man since 2005, is being considered for a similar position with the Buffalo Bills. He would replace Tom Modrak, who will leave Buffalo after the draft. Rees and Bills coach **** Jauron worked together with the Chicago Bears.

3. Colorado’s Mason Crosby is the best place-kicker in the draft and likely to be picked in the fourth round. The Browns have expressed interest in him.

4. The Ohio State player that intrigues the Browns the most is receiver Anthony Gonzalez. He is viewed as an ideal slot receiver who would fill their need at punt returner. But Gonzalez is being seriously considered at the bottom of the first round by Dallas, New England, San Diego, Chicago and Indianapolis.

5. Browns receiver Braylon Edwards’ name has been floated to gauge interest in a trade.

OT Levi Brown, Penn State: It may be just a matter of taste, but some teams favor the bigger, more powerful Brown over the more agile Joe Thomas from Wisconsin. If both are on the draft board for Arizona at No. 5, some believe line coach Russ Grimm's preference for Brown will prevail.

WR Robert Meachem, Tennessee: He quietly has stepped ahead of the pack of receivers - after Calvin Johnson, of course.

CB Eric Wright, UNLV: Since his superb pro day six weeks ago, he has steadily regained stature as one of the premier cornerbacks, which he lost because of off- the-field character issues. He still may suf fer from "the Pacman effect" - the NFL's crackdown on misbehavior - but some teams still are high on the Southern Cal transfer. The Browns are said to be one of them.

DE Anthony Spencer, Purdue: He is look ing sweeter to many teams on the hunt for a hybrid end to convert to outside linebacker in a 3-4 alignment.

Players falling

DT Alan Branch, Michigan: On top of concerns about inconsistent production and a passive nature comes a report that some teams be lieve Branch has tiny stress fractures in both legs. Others characterize the problem as shin splints. Regardless, Branch very well could snap and fall out of the top 10.

RB Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma: The possibility of the upright runner needing another procedure on his broken collarbone raises more concerns about his long-term durability in the NFL.

QB Troy Smith, Ohio State: There doesn't seem to be any buzz to contradict widespread speculation that the Heisman Trophy winner from Cleveland could plummet into the fourth round.

NFL rumor mill

There will be a run on the second wave of quarterbacks after the top two, and it may begin before the second round. Some teams worried about missing out on a second-tier QB may trade into the bottom of the first round. New England (Nos. 24 and 28) and Philadelphia (No. 26) are candidates to move out of the first round.

It would surprise no one if the Raiders trade wide receiver Randy Moss to Green Bay. The bigger surprise would be if they don't.

 

[Boone22]

Raiders | Deal with Cleveland a possibility?

Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:05:48 -0700

ESPN's Ed Werder reports there is a chance the Oakland Raiders work out a trade with the Cleveland Browns during the first round of the NFL Draft. There is speculation the Browns could send WR Braylon Edwards to the Raiders in addition to the No. 3 pick overall for the first-overall selection.

 

[wadegarrett]

Raiders | Deal with Cleveland a possibility?Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:05:48 -0700ESPN's Ed Werder reports there is a chance the Oakland Raiders work out a trade with the Cleveland Browns during the first round of the NFL Draft. There is speculation the Browns could send WR Braylon Edwards to the Raiders in addition to the No. 3 pick overall for the first-overall selection.

Not a chance in hell of this happening.

 

[Fallerjw]

Raiders | Deal with Cleveland a possibility?Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:05:48 -0700ESPN's Ed Werder reports there is a chance the Oakland Raiders work out a trade with the Cleveland Browns during the first round of the NFL Draft. There is speculation the Browns could send WR Braylon Edwards to the Raiders in addition to the No. 3 pick overall for the first-overall selection.

Not a chance in hell of this happening.

This would ruin my month.

 

[wadegarrett]

List of “experts” picks from their most recent Mock Drafts for the Browns:

Mel Kiper (ESPN): Brady Quinn

Todd McShay (ESPN): Brady Quinn

Peter King (SI): Brady Quinn

Don Banks (SI): Brady Quinn

Tony Grossi (Cleveland Plain Dealer): Brady Quinn

Rick Gosselin (Dallas News): JaMarcus Russell (final mock coming tonight)

Pete Prisco (CBS Sportsline): Joe Thomas

Vic Carucci (NFL.com): Adrian Peterson

Pat Kirwan (NFL.com): Brady Quinn

Peter Schrager (Fox Sports): Brady Quinn

Rob Rang (NFLDraftScout.com): Brady Quinn

Derek Harper (NFLDraftScout.com): Adrian Peterson

Matt Pitzer (USA Today): Joe Thomas

Almost every FBG mock: Brady Quinn

 

[a005511]

Well, it will not be Quinn.

 

[BGP]

Gosselin has the Browns selecting LT Joe Thomas in his final mock.

I want Joe Thomas. Its a good start to committing to winning the line of scrimmage. With our first four picks, I would like 2 OL, 1 DL, and a CB. I will not be upset if they take Brady Quinn instead, but if they do take him, I think they still need to grab a couple OL with their first four picks. Something like 1 QB, 2 OL, 1 CB.

Joe Thomas' future should have no bearing on future drafts. Joe Thomas could be a bust, a HOFer, or just average. It should not affect the general philosophy of committing to winning the LOS by regularly selecting OL and DL with the first four picks. At least 2 of your first 4 picks should be on the LOS every year.

The Patriots and Steelers are the two dominant clubs in the conference this decade, and all they do is select LOS guys all day every day with their first four picks. Belichick's Patriots have grabbed 6 OL and 5 TEs since 2000 with their top 4 picks. And guess what? They are projected to take more this year too. The Steelers have grabbed 7 OL since 2000 with their first four picks. They will probably grab more as well. Hey even the Seahawks under Holmgren, how did they turn their fortunes around from being just another team to a super bowl appearance? They started grabbing LOS guys high. They have grabbed 6 OL since 2000, and are gonna take more this year. That's how you build a program.

 

[chris1969]

Gosselin has the Browns selecting LT Joe Thomas in his final mock.I want Joe Thomas. Its a good start to committing to winning the line of scrimmage. With our first four picks, I would like 2 OL, 1 DL, and a CB. I will not be upset if they take Brady Quinn instead, but if they do take him, I think they still need to grab a couple OL with their first four picks. Something like 1 QB, 2 OL, 1 CB. Joe Thomas' future should have no bearing on future drafts. Joe Thomas could be a bust, a HOFer, or just average. It should not affect the general philosophy of committing to winning the LOS by regularly selecting OL and DL with the first four picks. At least 2 of your first 4 picks should be on the LOS every year. The Patriots and Steelers are the two dominant clubs in the conference this decade, and all they do is select LOS guys all day every day with their first four picks. Belichick's Patriots have grabbed 6 OL and 5 TEs since 2000 with their top 4 picks. And guess what? They are projected to take more this year too. The Steelers have grabbed 7 OL since 2000 with their first four picks. They will probably grab more as well. Hey even the Seahawks under Holmgren, how did they turn their fortunes around from being just another team to a super bowl appearance? They started grabbing LOS guys high. They have grabbed 6 OL since 2000, and are gonna take more this year. That's how you build a program.

I agree, but if we got Quinn, I'd prefer 1 OL, 1 DL, and 1 CB with the other picks. AND as always I would prefer we traded down.

 

[BGP]

Gosselin has the Browns selecting LT Joe Thomas in his final mock.I want Joe Thomas. Its a good start to committing to winning the line of scrimmage. With our first four picks, I would like 2 OL, 1 DL, and a CB. I will not be upset if they take Brady Quinn instead, but if they do take him, I think they still need to grab a couple OL with their first four picks. Something like 1 QB, 2 OL, 1 CB. Joe Thomas' future should have no bearing on future drafts. Joe Thomas could be a bust, a HOFer, or just average. It should not affect the general philosophy of committing to winning the LOS by regularly selecting OL and DL with the first four picks. At least 2 of your first 4 picks should be on the LOS every year. The Patriots and Steelers are the two dominant clubs in the conference this decade, and all they do is select LOS guys all day every day with their first four picks. Belichick's Patriots have grabbed 6 OL and 5 TEs since 2000 with their top 4 picks. And guess what? They are projected to take more this year too. The Steelers have grabbed 7 OL since 2000 with their first four picks. They will probably grab more as well. Hey even the Seahawks under Holmgren, how did they turn their fortunes around from being just another team to a super bowl appearance? They started grabbing LOS guys high. They have grabbed 6 OL since 2000, and are gonna take more this year. That's how you build a program.

I agree, but if we got Quinn, I'd prefer 1 OL, 1 DL, and 1 CB with the other picks. AND as always I would prefer we traded down.

Ok. But keep in mind I think its unacceptable to go into 2007 with Shaffer at LT. At least get a prospect there.

 

[BGP]

I also want to point out that this is considered by some to be a deep draft for OL, so taking 2 OL with in the first four picks good be a good idea. I'd entertain the idea of taking 3 OL with the first 4 picks, actually.

 

[Browns Rule!]

All right Browns fans, I'm now up to 99% sure we will not go QB in round 1.

 

[amnesiac]

I also want to point out that this is considered by some to be a deep draft for OL, so taking 2 OL with in the first four picks good be a good idea. I'd entertain the idea of taking 3 OL with the first 4 picks, actually.

i would cry tears of joy if they did this.

 

[amnesiac]

All right Browns fans, I'm now up to 99% sure we will not go QB in round 1.

here's hoping.

 

[Browns Rule!]

Alright, here is my opinion of the odds of the Browns first round move:

Joe Thomas 48%

Adrian Peterson 22%

Trade Down 20%

Calvin Johnson 8%

Brady Quinn 1%

Jamarcus Russell 1%

 

[BGP]

Also note that the 2008 NFL draft is projected by some to be QB-heavy, so you take the left tackle here, give Frye another year, and if he doesn't work out, you can look at one of the QBs next year.

The early list:

Brian Brohm - Louisville

Chad Henne - Michigan

Colt Brennan - Hawaii

John David Booty - USC

 

[dancingbones]

 

[ravnzfan]

Great column by Shaw today. Seems to be the sentiment of every Browns fans I know.

Unfortunately, almost EVERY mock I see by the so-called "experts" have the Browns taking Quinn.

...as Savage smiles that sheepish almost little boy grin---I'm "all in" on anyone other than Mr Quinn to Clev @1.3(from one who thought Quinn was a stone cold lock a month ago)

I just don't see Quinn being the pick. The more I see every mock draft with his name in the 1.3 slot, the more I believe we will go a different direction. Last year it was all Ngata in every mock. Now it's Quinn. Savage will end up picking someone and surprising us all.

exactly my point...and Phil NEVER intended to take Ngata, but knew he was at the very top of the Baltimore boardresult--and I heard this from Ozzie, not Phil---Savage calls the Ravens while Clev is OTC and asks Ozzie of he'd "like the opportunity to move up a spot and get your guy"

Ravens and Clev swap the 1 spot in the draft, for a 6th

Phil is a master at leading the pack in one direction, only to go totally in the opposite direction

w/all this "offensive playmaker talk", I'm thinking Thomas or.....Adams, in a trade back

as I suspected....Phil getting "predictible?" move Shaffer to RT, add Steinbach and all of a sudden Jamal Lewis isn't such a bad option for '07...

now...2nd round...which way do they go?

DLine?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

This was a good move by the Clowns brass.

A completely revamped line, Jamal Lewis, Braylon Edwards and a serviceable QB? Could the Browns show up this year?

 

[chris1969]

DL, CB or QB

 

[a005511]

All the experts were wrong again. It was obvious from last year and this year that they wanted and needed to build the O-Line. Savage was there when Baltimore did it with Ogden and he is doing here. Open holes and give the QB time and the offense will be ok.

 

[s_ezy]

so happy

nice job phil

 

[amnesiac]

I also want to point out that this is considered by some to be a deep draft for OL, so taking 2 OL with in the first four picks good be a good idea. I'd entertain the idea of taking 3 OL with the first 4 picks, actually.

i would cry tears of joy if they did this.

i actually did tear up a little when they announce the pick was Joe Thomas.

 

[amnesiac]

 

[slinky]

Great pick Phil! Imagine if Bentley comes back...

Thomas

Steinbach

Bentley

Tucker/Fraley

Schaffer

I'd like to see us go for OG in the 2nd. I'm not sold on Tucker with his mental issues. I'd love to see Blaylock/Grubbs/Kalil here....wow!!!

Or what if Phil were to trade back up into the first to get the falling Quinn? With Thomas on board, I'm not so opposed to taking Quinn.

 

[chris1969]

And with the 22nd overall choice!

 

[Bracie Smathers]

All right Browns fans, I'm now up to 99% sure we will not go QB in round 1.

I'm 100% certain we have just drafted Brady Quinn

 

[a005511]

I was wrong. I said the Browns would not draft Quinn. Of course who would have thought he goes 22.

 

[amnesiac]

huh. i wonder where they had him slotted on their board.

still glad they didn't take him #3.

 

[nxmehta]

Savage did well today. Sure, he gave up a bit more than expected to move back into the first round, but we came away with arguably the two best players in the entire draft. Quinn will be an excellent NFL QB, and we won't have to pay him like a #3 pick. I don't think we're going to win much this year, but after these two rookies get some experience we are going to be a force in 2008.

The Browns needed to make a bold move this year to define the franchise for the next decade. Picking up an elite LT and QB does exactly that.

Now I think we need to look at a DL with our third round pick and then CB/RB/OL to finish out the rest of the draft.

 

[Browns Rule!]

All right Browns fans, I'm now up to 99% sure we will not go QB in round 1.

I'm 100% certain we have just drafted Brady Quinn

Yeah, well obviously I meant with the 3rd pick I'm not sure if I like this move yet.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

All right Browns fans, I'm now up to 99% sure we will not go QB in round 1.

I'm 100% certain we have just drafted Brady Quinn

Yeah, well obviously I meant with the 3rd pick I'm not sure if I like this move yet.

Consider the following to help you reaching a conclusion about this trade.Vic Carucci's Analysis

The Browns have achieved the best of both worlds. They landed their franchise quarterback (despite his free fall from upper tier of the first round) and they have a blocker who can help protect him for many years to come. The Browns made an aggressive trade with the Cowboys to put themselves in this position. Was next year's first-round choice too high a price? Not for a franchise quarterback. There is still a long way to go, but for now, the Browns are the front-runners for the distinction of having the most impressive draft.

Gil Brandt: When you end up with a starting left tackle and a possibility of having a franchise quarterback in the first round, you might have had one of the great days of all time in draft history. Brady Quinn is probably the most prepared player to come in and play well. He's going to where he wants to be.

Pat Kirwan: What's to say about a guy with 95 touchdown passes and more than twice as many yards as JaMarcus Russell? A lot of people thought he was going to go to Cleveland, but at the other pick (No. 3). He'll be happy the first time he drops back and Joe Thomas is blocking for him. It won't surprise me if he's the starter on opening day. The Cleveland fans fought taking Brady Quinn with the third pick, but they embrace him at this position.

Pete Prisco grading each player as they go off the board.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10155211

Cleveland Browns select: Joe Thomas, T, Wisconsin Grade

This is a good pick, but I would have taken Quinn. This is a team without a quarterback, and they need one. Thomas is a clean pick, but does having a tackle really make this team better for long run. B

22. Cleveland Browns (from Dallas) select: Brady Quinn, QB, Notre Dame Grade

This is the best pick of the entire draft. They get a franchise passer in the back end of the first round? Are you kidding me? Good job by Phil Savage to go up and get Quinn. He will be a star. A+

One of only two A+ grades given.

More Prisco:

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10155503

Browns hit pot of gold in snagging Irish quarterback

The Miami Dolphins had a chance to duplicate history.

But they blew it -- in a big way.

They were not alone. The Minnesota Vikings, two picks ahead of them, did too. They both passed on Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, violating one of the biggest tenets of the NFL Draft.

That tenet is this: When you don't have a quarterback, you take one.

Those two teams don't have a quarterback capable of winning a division, let alone a championship.

Not Trent Green, who will be in Miami eventually. Not Tarvaris Jackson, the second-year quarterback with the Vikings.

The Cleveland Browns made the mistake of passing on Quinn with the third pick, but made amends by trading back up into the first round to get him. They traded up with the Cowboys to get to the 22nd spot to get Quinn.

That was a fantastic move by Browns general manager Phil Savage. He knew he couldn't win with Charlie Frye or Derek Anderson, so he made the move to go up and get Quinn.

The Dolphins could have had their next Dan Marino if they had selected Quinn. In 1983, team after team passed on Marino, including five teams who picked quarterbacks before he went to the Dolphins. That was because of some off-the-field concerns. He went 27th overall.

Don Shula pounced and made the wisest pick of his career and Marino went on to become a Hall of Fame passer.

With a chance to grab a quarterback that I think can be the next Tom Brady, the Dolphins opted to take receiver Ted Ginn Jr. from Ohio State.

I can understand the need for a No. 1 receiver since Chris Chambers isn't that guy, but don't you need somebody to get him the football?

Green is nothing but a stop-gap when they do get him. Plus, he looked shell-shocked to me after he came back following that nasty hit last year.

Did the Dolphins' brass watch his playoff game against the Colts?

So even if Green gives them a year or two, what about the future? Is it Cleo Lemon? Quinn would have put all those fears to rest. Why were teams so wrong about this kid?

Quinn had a touchdown-interception ratio of 5-to-1 the past two years at Notre Dame. He played for an NFL mind in Charlie Weis and he spends his free time in the film room. His body is sculpted from all the workouts -- including one at 6 a.m. on Friday in New York -- so durability won't be a question.

Peyton Manning is another quarterback who spends hours in the weight room. His workout prowess is legendary, and Quinn is just like him.

You know how many plays Manning has missed that mattered in his career? One. And that was for a busted-up jaw.

Quinn has many of the same qualities as Manning and Brady.

And yet team after team passed on him. It made no sense.

He will be a better player than JaMarcus Russell, who went first overall. Five years from now, the Miami Dolphins will regret their blown chance to repeat history.

By then, Quinn will be in a Pro Bowl, his work ethic and film study making him one of the NFL's elite.

The Dolphins will rue this day.

So will Minnesota.

You don't break Draft Rule No. 1: If you don't have a quarterback, get one. Breaking it dooms your franchise for years to come.

Phil Savage wised up and realized it. Browns fans will come to love Quinn like they did Bernie Kosar and Brian Sipe and all the others.

The kid will be a star.

 

[amnesiac]

More Prisco:

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10155503

Browns hit pot of gold in snagging Irish quarterback

The Miami Dolphins had a chance to duplicate history.

But they blew it -- in a big way.

They were not alone. The Minnesota Vikings, two picks ahead of them, did too. They both passed on Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn, violating one of the biggest tenets of the NFL Draft.

That tenet is this: When you don't have a quarterback, you take one.

Those two teams don't have a quarterback capable of winning a division, let alone a championship.

Not Trent Green, who will be in Miami eventually. Not Tarvaris Jackson, the second-year quarterback with the Vikings.

The Cleveland Browns made the mistake of passing on Quinn with the third pick, but made amends by trading back up into the first round to get him. They traded up with the Cowboys to get to the 22nd spot to get Quinn.

That was a fantastic move by Browns general manager Phil Savage. He knew he couldn't win with Charlie Frye or Derek Anderson, so he made the move to go up and get Quinn.

The Dolphins could have had their next Dan Marino if they had selected Quinn. In 1983, team after team passed on Marino, including five teams who picked quarterbacks before he went to the Dolphins. That was because of some off-the-field concerns. He went 27th overall.

Don Shula pounced and made the wisest pick of his career and Marino went on to become a Hall of Fame passer.

With a chance to grab a quarterback that I think can be the next Tom Brady, the Dolphins opted to take receiver Ted Ginn Jr. from Ohio State.

I can understand the need for a No. 1 receiver since Chris Chambers isn't that guy, but don't you need somebody to get him the football?

Green is nothing but a stop-gap when they do get him. Plus, he looked shell-shocked to me after he came back following that nasty hit last year.

Did the Dolphins' brass watch his playoff game against the Colts?

So even if Green gives them a year or two, what about the future? Is it Cleo Lemon? Quinn would have put all those fears to rest. Why were teams so wrong about this kid?

Quinn had a touchdown-interception ratio of 5-to-1 the past two years at Notre Dame. He played for an NFL mind in Charlie Weis and he spends his free time in the film room. His body is sculpted from all the workouts -- including one at 6 a.m. on Friday in New York -- so durability won't be a question.

Peyton Manning is another quarterback who spends hours in the weight room. His workout prowess is legendary, and Quinn is just like him.

You know how many plays Manning has missed that mattered in his career? One. And that was for a busted-up jaw.

Quinn has many of the same qualities as Manning and Brady.

And yet team after team passed on him. It made no sense.

He will be a better player than JaMarcus Russell, who went first overall. Five years from now, the Miami Dolphins will regret their blown chance to repeat history.

By then, Quinn will be in a Pro Bowl, his work ethic and film study making him one of the NFL's elite.

The Dolphins will rue this day.

So will Minnesota.

You don't break Draft Rule No. 1: If you don't have a quarterback, get one. Breaking it dooms your franchise for years to come.

Phil Savage wised up and realized it. Browns fans will come to love Quinn like they did Bernie Kosar and Brian Sipe and all the others.

The kid will be a star.

that is some lavish praise. i think if Quinn is sucessful, he will have to give some credit to Joe Thomas.

 

[amnesiac]

apparently Cleveland got Dallas' 2nd in the trade? that wasn't mentioned earlier.

they just drafted Eric Wright, CB. looks like he might be a return guy.

 

[chris1969]

Wright could just be the best corner in the draft.

He has character issues, but those seemed to have been cleared up before the draft.

 

[amnesiac]

so, was it Cleveland's 07 2nd and 3rd + 08 1st for Dallas's 07 1st and 2nd??

or was there a second trade?

 

[chris1969]

so, was it Cleveland's 07 2nd and 3rd + 08 1st for Dallas's 07 1st and 2nd?? or was there a second trade?

I'm thinking a second trade, I may be wrong on that though.

 

[culdeus]

apparently Cleveland got Dallas' 2nd in the trade? that wasn't mentioned earlier.they just drafted Eric Wright, CB. looks like he might be a return guy.

Got Dallas' 2nd for your 3rd 4th and swapped 6th round picks also. Thanks!I hope you guys blow donkey poop next year.Also Rick Mirer > Brady Quinn

 

[amnesiac]

Browns Get 2nd round, No. 53: Eric Wright, DB, UNLV6th round, No. 195 Cowboys Get 2nd round, No. 674th round, No. 1036th round, No. 178

wtf is going on in Berea?