Marvin88
Footballguy
Actually...make that 17. I forgot about Breaston.
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2008 $35,000 Subscriber Contest (3 Viewers)
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I did a boring, time-consuming search, and could not find the unique team calculator. Anyone have a link?
ctriopelle
Footballguy
I'd contend I'd always want to have them, even in the final weeks, but I'd rather not be dependent on them for my scores. That way you have them if they throw up a monster score, but if they don't, you won't get punished (since they were intended ad value backup plays). If almost everyone has something, its usually because they were cheap and effective. I'd rather not be on the outside looking in if they are effective in the finals as well. My chances were pinned on Bush, Winslow, and Fitz for my difference makers. Unfortunately for me, my difference makers took the week off for the most part, and my value plays were mostly average performers this week. Without any unique players of my own this week contributing, I got the hook. In the end though, in order to make the finish line you will be best served having most of the popular players. It just takes a couple unique high scorers to help you win it all. Looking at Drinen's sims last week, I finished top 10 20% of the time (2nd highest in the field of 1600, only to 21%, and only 36 teams were above 10%), and I had 4 of those 6 as well as most of the other widely held guys.When I finished in the 30's a few years ago, I had EVERY widely held player, and was arguably the least unique team in the field. I did have Gates as my TE though (only 2 or 3 finalists did) , and he blew up in the one of the finals weeks. Got me up to 2nd or 3rd overall, but he either got hurt or shut down the last week and I fell back several spots. Having the players that everyone did made it easy to score the bulk of the points everyone else did though.
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blend
Footballguy
Go to the offical 35k results link on the fbg main page and the link should be there.
Dirty Weasel
Footballguy
Still my pick to win it all. He's the last remaining Ronnie Brown owner, and one of only 26 left with Peyton. The only negative I see is Turner's schedule.
160 was not enough this week. Only Warner and Slaton had a TD for my team this week. Zero TDs from FWP, Marshall, S. Smith, R. Wayne, S. Moss, D. Jackson, Cooley, and Keller.
Great contest again this year. It was fun while it lasted. Another thanks for the fantasy star site.
Great contest again this year. It was fun while it lasted. Another thanks for the fantasy star site.
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
I really like this team.
He barely survived this last week, but his opening 4 scores were 190.65, 205.20, 204.80, & 193.50
Going on that kind of run again could win this thing and he's getting Romo and Bush back and Winslow is looking like a top TE to have going forward. He's a little weak at WR, but has a lot of guys that have 1-2 game explosive potential.
He barely survived this last week, but his opening 4 scores were 190.65, 205.20, 204.80, & 193.50
Going on that kind of run again could win this thing and he's getting Romo and Bush back and Winslow is looking like a top TE to have going forward. He's a little weak at WR, but has a lot of guys that have 1-2 game explosive potential.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I am probably missing it, but I don't see the link there.blend said:
Jayrod
Footballguy
It's at the bottom of the contest query page.Click on the "12" on the front page of FBG's, then in the shaded $35K Contest box in the top right, click on contest query form
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BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
8 on mine. My unique pair is 1 of 2 left with P Manning and SJax.Dirty Weasel said:
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
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Otis
Footballguy
Nice at QB but not enough receiver firepower to get it done.
Bamboo Bill
Footballguy
only 8Marvin88 said:
This is the best team I've seen and at this point my pick to win it all:
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/contest/2008/100292.php
(not my team btw)
Tony Romo $23
Drew Brees $23
Kurt Warner $5
Thomas Jones $21
DeAngelo Williams $15
Chris Johnson $14
Ricky Williams $8
Steve Slaton $1
Calvin Johnson $25
Brandon Marshall $23
Jerricho Cotchery $23
Roddy White $23
Ted Ginn $13
Robert Meachem $6
L.J. Smith $12
John Carlson $4
Dustin Keller $2
Mike Nugent $1
Jason Hanson $1
Buffalo Bills $3
New York Jets $2
New Orleans Saints $2
The running backs may not be enough, but the QB's and WR's are sick.
http://subscribers.footballguys.com/contest/2008/100292.php
(not my team btw)
Tony Romo $23
Drew Brees $23
Kurt Warner $5
Thomas Jones $21
DeAngelo Williams $15
Chris Johnson $14
Ricky Williams $8
Steve Slaton $1
Calvin Johnson $25
Brandon Marshall $23
Jerricho Cotchery $23
Roddy White $23
Ted Ginn $13
Robert Meachem $6
L.J. Smith $12
John Carlson $4
Dustin Keller $2
Mike Nugent $1
Jason Hanson $1
Buffalo Bills $3
New York Jets $2
New Orleans Saints $2
The running backs may not be enough, but the QB's and WR's are sick.
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Insoxicated
Let em fall all around me.Still Alive with Portis
(DeAngelo Williams has picked up his slack last 2 weeks with 20.80 24.00)
Drew Brees $23 - Used 4 Times
Matt Schaub $13 - Used 2 Times
Kurt Warner $5 - Used 5 Times
Pretty obvious Warner is the MVP here...
Clinton Portis $33 - Used 7 Times
DeAngelo Williams $15 - Used 4 Times
Chester Taylor $14 - Used 2 Times
Chris Johnson $14 - Used 7 Times
Ray Rice $4 - Used 3 Times
Steve Slaton $1 - Used 4 Times
Everyone's contributing here... the PPR scoring led to DeAngelo... Taylor was halway a gamble that ADP would get hurt. Still has been used 2x so that's nice.
Larry Fitzgerald $35 - Used 9 Times
Calvin Johnson $25 - Used 8 Times
Brandon Marshall $23 - Used 8 Times
Patrick Crayton $13 - Used 6 Times
DeSean Jackson $4 - Used 7 Times
Andre Davis $3 - Used 0 Times
Exremely balanced here except for the wasted pick of Andre Davis
Jeremy Shockey $18 - Used 5 Times
David Martin $1 - Used 7 Times
This is a bit surprising....even given the injury
Joe Nedney $1 - Used 4 Times
Rian Lindell $1 - Used 7 Times
2 cheap kickers was definitely the way to go
New Orleans Saints $2 - Used 3 Times
Miami Dolphins $1 - Used 5 Times
Cincinnati Bengals $1 - Used 3 Times
I definitely am glad I went with 3 defenses....
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gman74
Footballguy
TY refs for knocking out a Portis owner. This Buds for youI still can't believe I'm out because the refs didn't know the rules.:X
FFdork
Footballguy
Just barely made the cut this week. Actually the deepest I've made it so far--I don't think I put the time in that a lot of people do.
It would be a lot of fun to make the next two cuts, but I assume we're down to some really good teams and I definitely think mine is vulnerable, so we'll see.
It would be a lot of fun to make the next two cuts, but I assume we're down to some really good teams and I definitely think mine is vulnerable, so we'll see.
Otis
Footballguy
That's a scary good team right there.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
While I am not excited about my team, I can't really complain too much since I am still in this thing.
QB - David Garrard - 14
QB - Jake Delhomme - 12
QB - Kurt Warner - 5
Garrard and Delhomme have rarely scored for me, and aside from Warner, this is clearly my weakest position.
RB - Marion Barber - 40
RB - Thomas Jones - 21
RB - Fred Taylor - 18
RB - Ricky Williams - 8
RB - Steve Slaton - 1
Aside from Fred Taylor, this group has been outstanding. No, Ricky Williams hasn't done much. But many RBs under $10 are in that same category.
WR - Anquan Boldin - 26
WR - Brandon Marshall - 23
WR - Donald Driver - 16
WR - Patrick Crayton - 13
WR - Jabar Gaffney - 7
WR - David Patten - 5
WR - Muhsin Muhammad - 5
Crayton and Patten are useless. Aside from those two, I am pretty content with these WRs. When you look at the prices of the top players in this contest, Boldin was a steal. This is my most unique stud (something like only 5% to 10% of teams alive still own him).
TE - Zach Miller - 15
TE - Ben Utecht - 5
TE - Dustin Keller - 2
Not a great group, but aside from Gonzalez and Cooley, the TE position has been a fantasy nightmare from many owners this year.
QB - David Garrard - 14
QB - Jake Delhomme - 12
QB - Kurt Warner - 5
Garrard and Delhomme have rarely scored for me, and aside from Warner, this is clearly my weakest position.
RB - Marion Barber - 40
RB - Thomas Jones - 21
RB - Fred Taylor - 18
RB - Ricky Williams - 8
RB - Steve Slaton - 1
Aside from Fred Taylor, this group has been outstanding. No, Ricky Williams hasn't done much. But many RBs under $10 are in that same category.
WR - Anquan Boldin - 26
WR - Brandon Marshall - 23
WR - Donald Driver - 16
WR - Patrick Crayton - 13
WR - Jabar Gaffney - 7
WR - David Patten - 5
WR - Muhsin Muhammad - 5
Crayton and Patten are useless. Aside from those two, I am pretty content with these WRs. When you look at the prices of the top players in this contest, Boldin was a steal. This is my most unique stud (something like only 5% to 10% of teams alive still own him).
TE - Zach Miller - 15
TE - Ben Utecht - 5
TE - Dustin Keller - 2
Not a great group, but aside from Gonzalez and Cooley, the TE position has been a fantasy nightmare from many owners this year.
I'll take that betDirty Weasel said:
Here are the number of teams that have each given number of the above:num_of_teams
3 7
4 12
5 34
6 82
7 103
8 144
9 184
10 166
11 130
12 79
13 44
14 11
15 7
17 1
Just to be clear, seven teams have only three of those players. Twelve teams have exactly four of those players, and so on. One team has 17 of them.
The teams with only three are: here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Seriously? $51 for QB and only $59 for RB? $113 for WR and only $18 for TE?The only thing I really like about that squad is the Bills/Jets/Saints committee, and even that could have been Bills/Jets/$1.
Kudos for the Roddy White pick; I wouldn't have had the stones to spend $23 on him before this year started....
May as well open it up to suggestions. While anything is possible, I think it's safe to say that we are pretty committed to keeping the basic structure the same. It will almost definitely remain set-it-and-forget-it, and the prices will be fixed once posted in early August.With that in mind, how could we set prices on August 1 to promote more diverse rosters on December 1?
Frank Costanza's Lawyer
Footballguy
bengalboy
Footballguy
That would seem to be a difficult task.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I have to say that I like the contest exactly the way it is right now.
To some extent I agree. Kurt Warner is on first-place fantasy teams all over the country right now; it's inevitable that he'd end up on a high percentage of the teams that do well in a contest like this, regardless of the particulars. But there may be some things we can do. It's worth investigating. What if we had a $5 minimum on all running backs and, say, an $8 minimum on QBs? How many people would have ponied up for Slaton at $5? Orton or Ryan at $8? Would that make for a more interesting contest?
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
The problem I see with that is it seems like those minimums would allow for less flexability in terms of positional roster allotment (maybe not?). One of my favorite aspects of this contest is your ability to determine your player count at each position.
Dirty Weasel
Footballguy
I was hoping someone (you) would post this. Well, I was wrong, as only 76.6% have at least 8 players. Not as shocked about the 7 teams with 3 players as much as I am about the 1 team with 17!I'll take that betDirty Weasel said:Here are the number of teams that have each given number of the above:
num_of_teams
3 7
4 12
5 34
6 82
7 103
8 144
9 184
10 166
11 130
12 79
13 44
14 11
15 7
17 1
Just to be clear, seven teams have only three of those players. Twelve teams have exactly four of those players, and so on. One team has 17 of them.
The teams with only three are: here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
I've been thinking about this a little. I don't know how many of you are involved in the price setting process but if it's only a few then this idea may help. I was thinking you should release the initial prices to a small number of people (20-30 maybe) and have them make up some teams. These people could be the entire staff and maybe some staff members from other sites you guys get along with (anyone who wouldn't be eligible for the contest). This might give you some feedback about which players are priced too low and you could adjust them accordingly.
Dirty Weasel
Footballguy
You want more diverse rosters? The submission deadline was only 2 days before the start of the first game, so you have to expect many similar teams. I realize injuries occur in preseason games, but what about moving the submission deadline up to just before the 1st preseason game? I think this would make teams much more diverse, especially when selecting those low-dollar players.
Marvin88
Footballguy
No TE's will hurt this team big time at 1-1/2 per rec. I am obviously biased, but I like my team better than this one. I just prefer the balance.
But it's 2-6-6-3-3-2
Drew Brees $23
Kurt Warner $5
Marion Barber III $40
Willie Parker $23
Thomas Jones $21
Ricky Williams $8
Ray Rice $4
Steve Slaton $1
Steve Smith $23
Brandon Marshall $23
Jerricho Cotchery $23
Kevin Walter $6
Antonio Bryant $2
Steve Breaston $1
Kellen Winslow Jr. $28
Anthony Fasano $3
Dustin Keller $2
Mike Nugent $1
Jason Hanson $1
Matt Prater $1
Buffalo Bills $3
Minnesota Vikings $8
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BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
I think the problem with that is you would be moving it too far forward and that might be before some casual members even visit the website. I would think that moving the price setting date back to allow for more accurate prices might be better. You might only have to move it back a week or so rather than moving the deadline up 4 weeks.
Marvin88
Footballguy
17 hereI'll take that betDirty Weasel said:Here are the number of teams that have each given number of the above:
num_of_teams
3 7
4 12
5 34
6 82
7 103
8 144
9 184
10 166
11 130
12 79
13 44
14 11
15 7
17 1
Just to be clear, seven teams have only three of those players. Twelve teams have exactly four of those players, and so on. One team has 17 of them.
The teams with only three are: here, here, here, here, here, here, and here.
Again, not sure if that's good or bad!
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H8fulHuck
Footballguy
Nice idea, and they probably did something like that amongst themselves early on, but the prices are set August 1st. As in BEFORE we knew Favre retired/unretired and wants to play for the Vikes.Warner was going to start the season (everyone knew it was Lienart to start the season...duh!!!)Slaton the starter over Ahman Green and Chris Brown? Dream on bud.What price can you put on Slaton that early besides $1 - $3I suggest the contest remain as it is. Look at how fun it has been for all of us talking about our teams and fretting over how many players to take at each position. Out of the 12,000 plus entries, NONE were exact duplicates. That sounds like a good model to me.
Doug - I understand that the main purpose of this contest is to drive subscriptions so the timeframe will remain roughly the same. However given what you've cranked out stat wise and formatted quickly, why isn't it possible for the prices to ebb and flow after each pre-season game. In that instance the sharks that knew Warner would win the job could keep him at the low price, but the guys getting on the value bandwagon after he's announced the starter would pay fair market value. Those really into this contest would set a lineup early and monitor the new prices to see if they wanted to make adjustments and sacrifice the early prices. I don't see why this would be difficult since the submit button would timestamp the entry with the current values. One of these years LT, DWilly, and ADP will all get hurt in pre-season leaving virtually every lineup with their value play back-up in place. As shown by Slanton this year, if you fight the crowd you will be virtually banishing yourself to elimination. If you don't have that guy when he goes off, your fighting an uphill battle against most of the field.Not complaining. I like this contest so much that i still follow it despite being eliminated. I would just find it more interesting if there were more diverse roosters competing against each other.
ctriopelle
Footballguy
Maybe the roster values need to be set closer to the start of the season, if highly varied rosters is a preferred outcome. As long as the buy price represents their true value when you buy them, you won't see as much focus on certain players, as each one will be priced according to their expected output. Personally, I prefer things just like they are. If you do your homework, you should do just fine. Like much of fantasy football, there is some luck involved, but with a decent plan it shouldn't be difficult to make it past the 30% cuts (assuming your teams stays somewhat healthy). Week 11-13 is where even good teams get knocked out, since it only takes a small stumble to fall below the cut line. My vote is to keep things as is for next year.
DaddyFatSacks
Footballguy
That's not a bad idea....Are the new power rankings out? Dying to see where I sit among the top 1000.
H8fulHuck
Footballguy
This idea crossed my mind also, but this contest has $ involved and opinions. (you know what they say about opinions) If the prices for players jumped up and down, you'd have people screaming FIX!!! over several of the moves. The contest can become angry rather than more fun.
Das Boot
Footballguy
Another vote for no changes, or minimal changes to the contest.
If I'm not mistaken, out of 12k+ teams, there were no duplicates. That's diverse enough for me.
Once it gets down to the final 250, everyone will have a player or 3 that will make the difference for them, and that's fine.
I'm not sure what we're even talking about aiming for here... 250 teams at the end that are all somehow magically diverse?
I like the deadline being right before the season... it rewards those who are serious about the contest and pay attention to preseason all the way through. And it takes away the sickening possibility that one on your contest picks could go down with an injury in the last preseason game.
I love having $1 bargain bin players to choose from. Heck, even with Slaton at $1, look at how many contest teams DIDN'T have him on their roster.
I think the length of this contest thread shows the contest is plenty popular with no major overhauls needed.
There are always minor tweaks possible, but this contest definitely ain't broke and definitely doesn't need to be fixed.
My one suggestion... add MORE players... there were lots of players who became very relevant this year who would have been a stretch at $1 at the beginning of the year. Add a couple prospects from each team for a buck... then you'll get more diversity and unique teams, as well as some interesting repositioning of power rankings as the season goes on and some of those flyer players start getting more playing time and contributing to contest teams.
Man I love this contest.
If I'm not mistaken, out of 12k+ teams, there were no duplicates. That's diverse enough for me.
Once it gets down to the final 250, everyone will have a player or 3 that will make the difference for them, and that's fine.
I'm not sure what we're even talking about aiming for here... 250 teams at the end that are all somehow magically diverse?
I like the deadline being right before the season... it rewards those who are serious about the contest and pay attention to preseason all the way through. And it takes away the sickening possibility that one on your contest picks could go down with an injury in the last preseason game.
I love having $1 bargain bin players to choose from. Heck, even with Slaton at $1, look at how many contest teams DIDN'T have him on their roster.
I think the length of this contest thread shows the contest is plenty popular with no major overhauls needed.
There are always minor tweaks possible, but this contest definitely ain't broke and definitely doesn't need to be fixed.
My one suggestion... add MORE players... there were lots of players who became very relevant this year who would have been a stretch at $1 at the beginning of the year. Add a couple prospects from each team for a buck... then you'll get more diversity and unique teams, as well as some interesting repositioning of power rankings as the season goes on and some of those flyer players start getting more playing time and contributing to contest teams.
Man I love this contest.
geoff8695
Footballguy
CONTEST QUERIER LINK for those who've been asking...
Dirty Weasel
Footballguy
I love this idea! Totally and completely. The only thing I would add on is to add players as weeks progress. Brett Favre, Eddie Royal, etc. could be added. Those who chose an early team would have to decide whether to hold onto those cheap guys they got early as players get added and prices change. You could have a guy like Warner for $5, then drop him for a better value, then end up picking him again for a higher price. That would happen quite a bit.
