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BB1 Draft going with 1 more owner left to pick1. Skidmarks - Chris Wells2. Aces Cracked - Knowshon Moreno3. Three if by Air - Michael Crabtree4. Peens - LeSean McCoy5. Three if by Air - Demarco Murray6. Tyranny - Marlon Lucky7. Peens - Keiland Williams8. Army of Darkness - Darius Heyward-Bey9. Seattle Stars - CJ Spiller10. Wranglers - Stafon Johnson11. Aces Cracked -Percy Harvin12. Bucketheads - Javon Ringer13. Aces Cracked - Jeremy Maclin14. Sombrerosbroncofan13000 said:
Good move by Aces to move up and grab Maclin.
seen him stating he is 212, i'll find the linkoh and he is sizzle, steak , AND the A-120 year old kids usually gain weight. We've been through this. Murrary arrived at Oklahoma at about 182. He was up to 191 last year. The team is listing him at 205 this year. I doubt he is quite that big as teams tend to exaggerate these things, but still....He's all sizzle and no steak. The NFL is a grown man's game. Murray needs to gain weight if he wants to be a starter at the next level. He has talent. No question about that. I'm just inclined to view him in the Slaton/Charles/Norwood mold rather than the Lynch/Peterson/Jackson mold.You didn't see any Oklahoma games last year? If you did then there would be no way you could say this.
We'll see how he does in 2009 and how he stacks up at the combine. Right now I don't think he's a first tier RB prospect for the 2009 class.
seen him stating he is 212, i'll find the linkoh and he is sizzle, steak , AND the A-120 year old kids usually gain weight. We've been through this. Murrary arrived at Oklahoma at about 182. He was up to 191 last year. The team is listing him at 205 this year. I doubt he is quite that big as teams tend to exaggerate these things, but still....He's all sizzle and no steak. The NFL is a grown man's game. Murray needs to gain weight if he wants to be a starter at the next level. He has talent. No question about that. I'm just inclined to view him in the Slaton/Charles/Norwood mold rather than the Lynch/Peterson/Jackson mold.You didn't see any Oklahoma games last year? If you did then there would be no way you could say this.
We'll see how he does in 2009 and how he stacks up at the combine. Right now I don't think he's a first tier RB prospect for the 2009 class.
edit: found it, posted it below, and it's 210 and it's Bob Stoops saying it not DeMarco himself ...
okay so 6'1" 210 (probably 215+ by NFL draft 2009), 4.42, 38" vert, and explosive power/speed combine drills
what's not to like about the measurables?
but the thing that make him RB1 of 2009 class - vision, elusiveness, and home-run capability all packaged in a 3-down back's body and hands
watch the videos and see a man running away from boys (no not Baylor and NTexas St, watch the Texas game - he is getting 2 yards of separation every 10 against DBs
Wells, McCoy, JDavis, etc can't do that IMO
Spiller can but they aren't as big so you have the COP back scare
only back i see who comes close is Moreno and i have them 1 and 2
Big 12 Media Day:
Q. What's DeMarco Murray's status and what he will mean for you guys this year?
COACH STOOPS: DeMarco, he's recovered well, when I've seen him coming in the training room and rehabbing his knee, he says it feels great. I ask him, "How are you running?" He says, "Coach, I'm doing everything. I feel great running, I feel super." So according to him and our trainers, everything is on schedule and he looks great.
"DeMarco is an explosive, exciting player. He's one of those special athletes that everyone sees the great speed and the moves he has. But he's a physical guy, too. When you get up next to him and you pat him on the shoulder, there's a lot to that guy. There's about 210 pounds. So he's put together. So he's a stronger runner I think than people notice as well."
"But he just -- I think he averages about six yards per touch a year ago. So we have to get him the ball. Not only run him but out passing the ball as well. He's got great hands. We're expecting great things from him."
Some legitimate questions about his weight and durability, he's more McFadden potential than ADP at this point, but if he is healthy and declares, he's my top prospect at this point. Definitely in the conversation with Spiller, Wells, and Stafon Johnson.
He is not the starter in lsu. He had problems fumbling this offseason and didn't grab the starting role like many suspected. Scott is highly touted himself and had a great game.
I knew he had some fumbling issues and I knew it could be somewhat of a RBBC thing there, but is Williams just not going to be a factor at all there this season - as yesterday's six carries suggest?
No idea how it will play out all year, but Scott got the lions share of the carries in the first half (and he obviously played great) . Williams was stuffed twice at the goaline in the first half as well
Williams has had a high YPC his whole career, but the coaches seemingly refuse to rely on him. This is total speculation, but there may be some off-field work ethic/immaturity issues there.No idea how it will play out all year, but Scott got the lions share of the carries in the first half (and he obviously played great) . Williams was stuffed twice at the goaline in the first half as well
Scott is having another great day 7 carries 100 yards and 2 td's. Williams has yet to carry the ball.Williams has had a high YPC his whole career, but the coaches seemingly refuse to rely on him. This is total speculation, but there may be some off-field work ethic/immaturity issues there.No idea how it will play out all year, but Scott got the lions share of the carries in the first half (and he obviously played great) . Williams was stuffed twice at the goaline in the first half as well
McKnight is the most dynamic RB they have, so he's been getting the most touches. Johnson is still a talented player to keep an eye on and he might be the best NFL featured back prospect of the bunch, but it will probably be tough to get a read on him this season if USC continues the RB carousel.
Not exactly. I'm trying to think of an equivalent situation, but I'm not coming up with much. I guess it's comparable to the LenDale/Bush situation except the Trojans are deeper now and there's more guys deserving of touches. The result is that instead of seeing the RB touches split between two backs, you're seeing a 3-4-5 headed monster. McKnight is the most dynamic talent of the group. He's kind of like a less talented Reggie Bush. He'll make an impact in the NFL as a complementary back and may even develop into a Tiki type of player in the perfect situation. He's the best college player of the group because he has game-breaking speed and quickness. At the college level, speed is all you need.
I didn't see the game, but I'm very familiar with what he can do. I've been high on the kid all along and I never understood why anyone was reluctant to place him in the same league as Fitzgerald, Edwards, and Calvin. I have a hard time believing that he won't be a top 5 pick.
JJ got hurt in week 2. He was back last week.
I haven't posted in quite some time but I thought I'd chime in on this since it's LSU-related. Keiland, in my estimation, isn't as reliable as Miles wants his backs to be. He particularly has problems with vision and ball security, but especially vision. Hester was a starter all last season over more explosive RBs because Miles knew what he was getting from him every down (no missed assignments, positive yardage, etc.). Scott is really emerging, and I can't say too many LSU fans are surprised, though we'd all been excited to see what Williams could do with more carries. I think at the end of the season Scott could end up doing a lot of the things people are expecting from Chris Wells. He's perfectly built for the NFL, and has better long speed than most people think (I don't have a new 40 time on him, but he says he's gotten faster and stronger this offseason). Most impressive is Scott's combination of vision and explosion through the hole. He's great going downhill, and elusive enough to break long runs. I'm really excited about him, and it'll be interesting to see what he does against his first tough defense tonight at Auburn.Williams has had a high YPC his whole career, but the coaches seemingly refuse to rely on him. This is total speculation, but there may be some off-field work ethic/immaturity issues there.No idea how it will play out all year, but Scott got the lions share of the carries in the first half (and he obviously played great) . Williams was stuffed twice at the goaline in the first half as well
Haven't seen a ton of him yet. What little I have seen didn't quite match the hype, although that evaluation is not final by any means.
Thanks for the post. Another huge game for Scott. I'm so curious to see how he grades out. He looks like he should be in the top tier of rb's coming out this year.DAG said:I haven't posted in quite some time but I thought I'd chime in on this since it's LSU-related. Keiland, in my estimation, isn't as reliable as Miles wants his backs to be. He particularly has problems with vision and ball security, but especially vision. Hester was a starter all last season over more explosive RBs because Miles knew what he was getting from him every down (no missed assignments, positive yardage, etc.). Scott is really emerging, and I can't say too many LSU fans are surprised, though we'd all been excited to see what Williams could do with more carries. I think at the end of the season Scott could end up doing a lot of the things people are expecting from Chris Wells. He's perfectly built for the NFL, and has better long speed than most people think (I don't have a new 40 time on him, but he says he's gotten faster and stronger this offseason). Most impressive is Scott's combination of vision and explosion through the hole. He's great going downhill, and elusive enough to break long runs. I'm really excited about him, and it'll be interesting to see what he does against his first tough defense tonight at Auburn.Williams has had a high YPC his whole career, but the coaches seemingly refuse to rely on him. This is total speculation, but there may be some off-field work ethic/immaturity issues there.No idea how it will play out all year, but Scott got the lions share of the carries in the first half (and he obviously played great) . Williams was stuffed twice at the goaline in the first half as well
That would be impressive.
Awesome thread by the way.
I liked Scott when he was coming out of high school. He reminded me a lot of LenDale White. I scooped Keiland Williams in the first round of our NCAA draft that season and had my eye on Scott in the rounds 3-4 range, but Rudnicki grabbed him before I could get him. I've been loosely following his college career and I considered him as a developmental prospect in my Backyard Brawl draft earlier this year (we can pick college players if they're eligible for the next draft). He has good instincts and cuts well for a bigger back. In terms of body type and playing style, I see a little bit of Shaun Alexander and Rudi. He has a good frame that should withstand a lot of carries. The main weaknesses I saw were a lack of top speed and burst. He doesn't really make the "wow" cuts or explosive plays that a lot of elite backs make. He's more of a pounder than a home run threat.
You guys watch Stafford yet? This guy will easily go ahead of Tebow and be the #1 QB. Probably the best arm the draft has seen in a few years. Maybe since Cutler. The ball simply explodes off of his hand. He needs a little work on the touch, but is still accurate. He just sails the ball at times. Every time I watch this kid play all I see is a future top 5 pick.
I've had McCoy first for awhile. The only real concern is his attitude. For full disclosure I'm a PSU alum and some of my fellow fans are unhappy he didn't go to Penn State. However, there are rumors of a confrontation on his official visit with Michael Robinson and I've heard from some Pitt sources that he's not really that well thought of in the locker room. May be nothing but it will be interesting to see what the draft process turns up.
Where do you think the dropoff will be in the first round of rookie drafts? Last year it seemed to be around pick 9, with the top 8 RB's and Ryan, well, i guess the top 3, then the rest.
IMO he stands out the least of this year's elite RB prospects. Bloom used the phrase "trump card" last draft cycle to describe a prospect's elite attribute(s). McCoy's trump card is his burst. Beanie's trump card is his power. I don't know if Moreno has a trump card. He's not that fast, not that elusive, not that powerful. Definitely a good football player, but he may lack that extra something to become a top player in the NFL. My preliminary take is that he's sort of a cross between Lynch and Caddy, but that he lacks the special elusiveness of either of those two players.
My understanding is that he got in a fight with Michael Robinson on his official visit. A couple important things to remember about McCoy. - His nickname is Shady. That's not a good thing.- He was a prep school kid. So was Larry Fitzgerald, but prep school kids are often there for a reason. Watching those clips, you can see him giving the ref a hard time after he scores a TD. I'll try to pinpoint where it is in which video so you know what I'm talking about. Anyway, he definitely has a little bit of that "loose cannon" thing going on. Sometimes that fiery attitude pays dividends, but other times it's a player's downfall. One of the things I liked about WR Chris Henry entering the league was that he played with fire. Well...he got burned.McCoy's talent jumps off the screen. So far he's been able to keep his nose clean in college.
For the RBS, I tend to agree with EBF, the trump card analogy I understand and agree with too. What's the next small tier of RBS, say the next 3-4 after that and where do you see them being drafted, any other 1st rounders (NFL first round) and any 2nd rounders? Just trying to figure out how deep this class is going to be and if I should be looking to get some extra 1st round rookie picks in dynasty drafts from the middle of the pack/better teams in the league.
The short answer is that it's way too early to say. There's just too much uncertainty right now. We don't know who will enter the draft and we don't know who will pick them. There are still some unknown players who will rise up the boards like Forte and Royal did last year. No one had those guys pegged as top 50 picks early in the season. That said, I'll take a stab at it. These are probably the early frontrunners for the top 12 of rookie drafts:QB Matthew Stafford, GeorgiaRB Chris Wells, Ohio StateRB LeSean McCoy, PittsburghRB Knowshon Moreno, GeorgiaRB Charles Scott, LSURB Javon Ringer, Michigan StateRB James Davis, ClemsonRB CJ Spiller, ClemsonWR Michael Crabtree, Texas TechWR Derrius Heyward-Bey, MarylandWR Percy Harvin, FloridaWR Jeremy Maclin, MissouriWR Brandon Tate, UNCKnowing what we know today, I'd probably predict a four man first tier of Wells, McCoy, Moreno, and Crabtree. Charles Scott could move into the first round of the NFL draft with strong workouts. I view Ringer and Davis as 2nd-3rd round NFL draft type talents who could move up FF boards if they land in favorable situations. CJ Spiller is a wildcard. He has flashy physical ability, but is sort of an enigma. I wouldn't be surprised if he goes back to school. All in all, we're probably looking at 4-6 RBs who will carry high-mid first round value in FF rookie drafts. As for the WRs, Crabtree should be a high pick in every FF draft. He's an elite prospect. Heyward-Bey, Harvin, and Maclin are potentially elite prospects. Then there are some guys who could sneak into the late first, so we're probably looking at 3-4 very strong prospects from this group along with some really nice sleepers. Stafford looks to be the only QB in this class capable of pushing for a top 10 spot in rookie drafts unless Sam Bradford decides to come out, which seems unlikely at this point. Cullen Harper looks like an overrated Boller/Losman type. I don't think any of the other QBs will be drafted high enough to become first round picks in rookie drafts. All in all, I think anyone who has a top 10 pick will be pretty happy with their options. There are probably 3-6 guys in here that I would classify as elite talents. I'm still catching up on this class though. My opinions are preliminary.
I covered some of these questions in my previous post. In the end, I think this RB class will match up pretty well with recent trends. There will probably be 3-4 guys taken in the first and then another 5-7 taken in the next two rounds.
I agree 100% he's a straight line bruiser that won't last long at the NFL level. He'd maybe a good a goaline, short yardage carrier.I liked Scott when he was coming out of high school. He reminded me a lot of LenDale White. I scooped Keiland Williams in the first round of our NCAA draft that season and had my eye on Scott in the rounds 3-4 range, but Rudnicki grabbed him before I could get him. I've been loosely following his college career and I considered him as a developmental prospect in my Backyard Brawl draft earlier this year (we can pick college players if they're eligible for the next draft). He has good instincts and cuts well for a bigger back. In terms of body type and playing style, I see a little bit of Shaun Alexander and Rudi. He has a good frame that should withstand a lot of carries. The main weaknesses I saw were a lack of top speed and burst. He doesn't really make the "wow" cuts or explosive plays that a lot of elite backs make. He's more of a pounder than a home run threat.
My tentative evaluation is that he's a 2nd-3rd round type prospect. However, that's far from final. I need to see what he does in his workouts and I need to sit down and watch a full LSU game or two this season. I haven't done that yet. For now I think it's safe to say that he's rising up the boards and that he's put himself on the map as a potential first day pick.
Some highlights here:
http://www.veoh.com/search.html?type=v&amp...h=charles+scott
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o5dNAEso4g
XHe redshirted in 2006 with an injury and is three years out of high school.
