EBF
Footballguy
Yea, he probably deserves to be on there. I'd lump him into that second tier with guys like Spiller, Davis, and Ringer.
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2009 Rookie Draft Picks (1 Viewer)
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Bears_Man2
Footballguy
I think he ought to go if he's going to go in the first 2 rounds. He could return with Bradford, but anytime as a RB you have the shot of going in the first 2 rounds in the draft, you do it. Your life span is too short not to (Plus the possibility of getting a huge deal when you're 24-25 as opposed to 26). If Oklahoma's in the NC game and he shines.....he instantly becomes a Round 1 pick IMO (and very well vaults into the top 3 RB's)
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broncofan13000
Footballguy
My gut says he stays for another year. He is coming off the offseason surgery, and seems a step slower (maybe due to the injury, maybe due to the extra weight gained). He hasn't been breaking the big runs like last year, but it is encouraging seeing him get 20+ carries, and running right up the gut. Depending on how far OU goes this year, and how he potentially would grade out, he may come out, but i have a feeling he stays one more year.
If you guys get a chance to watch a full LSU game, you may be able to get a more complete read on Scott. He is certainly a bruiser but he's much better on cutbacks and bursting through the hole than you can appreciate in highlights. He runs in layers a lot like LJ does, and is exceptional at picking his way through various levels of the defense and getting downhill fast. He also has sneaky long speed, though in the NFL he's going to get caught from behind on long runs more often than not. For a big guy I feel like he slashes exceptionally well, and the coaches have been happy with his development as a receiver, though we don't use him much that way. I don't know how he'll test out at the combine, but I think he's more special than a regular power runner.I agree 100% he's a straight line bruiser that won't last long at the NFL level. He'd maybe a good a goaline, short yardage carrier.I liked Scott when he was coming out of high school. He reminded me a lot of LenDale White. I scooped Keiland Williams in the first round of our NCAA draft that season and had my eye on Scott in the rounds 3-4 range, but Rudnicki grabbed him before I could get him. I've been loosely following his college career and I considered him as a developmental prospect in my Backyard Brawl draft earlier this year (we can pick college players if they're eligible for the next draft). He has good instincts and cuts well for a bigger back. In terms of body type and playing style, I see a little bit of Shaun Alexander and Rudi. He has a good frame that should withstand a lot of carries. The main weaknesses I saw were a lack of top speed and burst. He doesn't really make the "wow" cuts or explosive plays that a lot of elite backs make. He's more of a pounder than a home run threat.
My tentative evaluation is that he's a 2nd-3rd round type prospect. However, that's far from final. I need to see what he does in his workouts and I need to sit down and watch a full LSU game or two this season. I haven't done that yet. For now I think it's safe to say that he's rising up the boards and that he's put himself on the map as a potential first day pick.
Some highlights here:
http://www.veoh.com/search.html?type=v&amp...h=charles+scott
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o5dNAEso4g
kremenull
Footballguy
This '09 class will need all of the top underclassmen to declare to be a good class, but it's not going to be great by any stretch....QB position will be very weak, RB will be decent, at best. The saving grace will be the OL and WR/TE positions, which should be fairly deep and with top-end quality. I haven't considered much on the defensive side of the ball (yet), but first glance looks like the DL will not have many impact players, but the LBs and DBs may be pretty good......
The one observation that I will continue to pimp is that Crabtree is good, but probably a bit overrated for where most people (in here especially) have him projected. If I'm an NFL GM, I'm taking Maclin and Heyward-Bay ahead of Crabtree.....
Especially Maclin, this guy is a game-changer, very electric in the open field and smooth as silk in his stride with tremendous body control, which translates to him being able to be a great route-runner given the work and coaching.....But one thing that can't be taught is his explosiveness and playmaking ability.....This kid is a special talent, and quite frankly,
Maclin >> Crabtree.......With everything else about these two pretty much equal, I'm going with the dynamic playmaker every day of the week as the determining factor
The one observation that I will continue to pimp is that Crabtree is good, but probably a bit overrated for where most people (in here especially) have him projected. If I'm an NFL GM, I'm taking Maclin and Heyward-Bay ahead of Crabtree.....
Especially Maclin, this guy is a game-changer, very electric in the open field and smooth as silk in his stride with tremendous body control, which translates to him being able to be a great route-runner given the work and coaching.....But one thing that can't be taught is his explosiveness and playmaking ability.....This kid is a special talent, and quite frankly,
Maclin >> Crabtree.......With everything else about these two pretty much equal, I'm going with the dynamic playmaker every day of the week as the determining factor
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
That's how it is every year now because so many underclassman are declaring. Seniors are never the strength of the draft class. Disagree though on the strength of this class if those likely to declare do. QB looks about average to me versus what we've seen in recent yearsRB look above average to me. Not as strong as last year but that was an exceptionally deep class. This class look deep as well with 2-3 elite type prospectsWR looks well above average to me, been a while since a class has looked this strong. Elite and deep.TE looks average from what we've seen in recent yearsLB looks above average with several elite prospects at the postion.All in all i think its shaping up to be a very strong class in terms of fantasy relevance. Its early still and several more prospects could come out of the woodwork. Right now it looks 15-16 strong to me if you include LBers.
EBF
Footballguy
Nice TD run last night:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAZePWptydk
Many USC fans feel Johnson is their best pro prospect at RB.
EBF
Footballguy
Maclin and DHB both have the raw physical tools to be great, but there's more to being a great WR than size and speed. Both guys will have to demonstrate that they can make difficult catches and run precise routes. Simply running by everyone isn't going to work at the next level. I like their potential and I think it's conceivable that one or both of them will be better than Crabtree, but I certainly wouldn't rank either of them ahead of him at this point in time. Crabtree has all of the football skills you look for at the position.
kremenull
Footballguy
Well, if you make it sound like Maclin and DHB can't do anything but run then yes, Crabtree would be better. But these guys can do much more than just run. At the collegiate level, there aren't many WRs who are a whole lot better than others in the areas of route-running, at their level, it's all about getting separation. And from what I've seen so far on tape and in games, Maclin and DHB get great separation from their defenders. If you believe that Crabtree is running great routes from the Run 'N Shoot, then that would not be an accurate analysis. How many teams have enough quality DBs to cover 5 WRs on virtually every play like Texas Tech employs. Crabtree gets great matchups all day, single coverage. I'd expect a quality WR to beat single coverage when he is physically better in the matchup. Getting the ball in your hands, and creating special plays is one of my determining factors in analyzing players. That's why DeSean Jackson was clearly one of the top WRs in this draft and too many teams passed him by, size concerns scared 'em away. Well, Maclin has no such concerns and he is very electric once he gets the ball in his hands, whether on routes or on returns. He's easily the #1 WR on my board, and I'm almost certain many GMs will be agreeing in the final analysis....I've seen you mention players being 'special' or not over and over as well, so how all of a sudden is Crabtree rated higher than Maclin, who is no doubt special?
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TitusIII
Footballguy
Maclin is very talented, but he benefits from the Nintendo offense and Chase Daniel. Not saying he will slip in the draft, because he is plenty good enough to go in the top 60, but I like Crabtree(TTECH)/Bay
(MARY)/Benn's(ILL) NFL potential a bit more.
I really liked what I saw out of Stafon Johnson(RB-USC) this weekend, he appears to have what it takes to be a work-horse NFL back. Too bad USC has so many other talented backs, because I think he'd put up insane numbers if they'd ever give him more than 10 touches. Still too early to call him a first round pick, but I like the odds. Perfect size, good speed, exellent vision/instincts, pretty much the complete NFL package. http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl...n_stafon00.html
Jermaine Gresham, the TE from Oklahoma, is also a freak. From what I've seen of him this year, he is worth a 2nd-3rd round rookie pick. http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footb...jermaine00.html
(MARY)/Benn's(ILL) NFL potential a bit more.
I really liked what I saw out of Stafon Johnson(RB-USC) this weekend, he appears to have what it takes to be a work-horse NFL back. Too bad USC has so many other talented backs, because I think he'd put up insane numbers if they'd ever give him more than 10 touches. Still too early to call him a first round pick, but I like the odds. Perfect size, good speed, exellent vision/instincts, pretty much the complete NFL package. http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl...n_stafon00.html
Jermaine Gresham, the TE from Oklahoma, is also a freak. From what I've seen of him this year, he is worth a 2nd-3rd round rookie pick. http://www.soonersports.com/sports/m-footb...jermaine00.html
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EBF
Footballguy
The USC homers are starting to grumble about getting him more touches. They all recognize that he's the best back on the roster. The pundit community is beginning to take notice as well. Draft Scout recently moved him up to the RB8 spot in the 2010 class. I think he was outside the top 20 before the season started. What Stafon needs is a breakout game where he gets 15-20 carries. If that happens and he shows well, he could build momentum down the stretch and generate enough buzz to put himself in the first round. I think he may be on the cusp of breaking out. He just needs the opportunity.
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The bolded part is very surprising to me. He goes out of his way to thank the line of TD's and good runs. I'll give you an example, 2nd half of the Iowa game, Pitt is driving, ball down around the 20 yard line, this drive was a Stephens-Howling drive so McCoy was on the sidelines. There was a timeout and McCoy went half-way onto the field to give the line pats on the backside for the job they were doing. On numerous other occasions he comes off the field and goes straight to the line to thank them. Just because he's thanking them doesn't mean they like him, but his presence on the field and sidelines doesn't indicate otherwise.
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awesomeness
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If that is the most important factor for analyzing WR than i would have thought Crabtree would pretty easily be your #1 rated WR.kremenull said:
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Good point in the last sentence and I don't have a link or anything. Probably nothing.
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
What would the top 12 picks of a rookie draft look like right now?
USC fan and Pac 10 Analyst here - this is where you start to think USC is OVER-recruiting. They have too many players who could start elsewhere and you have to wonder how much griping goes on we don't hear about. In fact, I HAVE heard some. But USc would do well to give Johnson a hard look like you suggest. I think he would give the offense a consistent weapon and I think that run game needs a rhythm. Changing backs like they do, I think it hampers that and can make it hard to get going at times. I think it hurt at Oregon State and I think it helped them look slow at the beginning this weekend as well.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
just a guess...1) C.Wells 2) K.Moreno3) L.Mccoy4) M.Crabtree5) C.Scott6) D.Murray7) J.Maclin8) DHB9) S.Bradford10) J.Ringer11) M.Stafford12) P.HarvinBurning Sensation said:
bigmarc27
Footballguy
That's a good list, but I'm almost positive Mark Sanchez and CJ Spiller will be in the 1st round of rookie drafts.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
I like Bradford and Stafford better than Sanchez, but can't argue if u want to put him higher...i just don't see 3 qb's going in the 1st round of a rookie draft. Spiller was tough to keep off the list (along with a few other rb's), but i dont' know who i'd bump off.
EBF
Footballguy
Yea, it's a problem. At one point this season they were trying to run a four man rotation with Joe McKnight, Stafon Johnson, CJ Gable, and Allen Bradford. That's just ridiculous. I don't care if these guys were all 5 star recruits. You can't play them all. Pick 1-2 and roll with them. The guys on the bottom of the ladder will eventually get their shot like Chauncey Washington did last year. Most of the Trojans homers think Stafon is a cut above the rest. They should make him the starter and play McKnight as the change of pace/receiving back. Let Gable and Bradford wait their turn along with Green and Tyler.
jeter23
Footballguy
You think 3 Qbs go in the 1st of a 12 teamer? Or do you think Sanchez goes before Stafford? Bradford? Tebow?
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awesomeness
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i thought sam bradford was a true freshman last year? Is he eligible for thr draft this year?
offdee
Footballguy
Sam Bradford is a true soph...not eligible next year. Matthew Stafford will be the only QB to go in the top 12 of rookie drafts next year and it will be late as usual (right around #11 where you have him)Good attempt on your list though...I'm not a Charles Scott believer (too slow and will be exposed at the combine) so believe you have him too high.My guess would probably look like this (not my personal rankings, but what I believe FF consensus would be)..1) C. Wells2) K. Moreno3) L. McCoy4) M. Crabtree5) D. Murray6) J. Maclin7) D. Heyward- Bey8) C. J. Spiller9) C. Scott10) J. Davis11) J. Ringer12) M. Stafford13) P. Harvin
broncofan13000
Footballguy
Bradford redshirted, so he is available in the draft.At first I wasn't a Scott believer, thinking he was too slow as well, but all he has done is produce and separate himself from some other very talented backs at LSU. Personally I'd rather have Murray over him, but i was projecting how i see rookie drafts going next year, not necessarily how i rank them.
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Cookiemonster
Footballguy
For those of us that are not as astute as you all to the college game, if we could get weekly opinions on which prospects' games are worth watching on a weekly basis, it may give us something to watch and chime in on in this thread, ie; jurb26's post of Texas vs. OK today. Which prospects are playing in that game. Who are potential rookie pics next year worth watching? What other games are notable today?
broncofan13000
Footballguy
Benn is not available in this years draft.he is one of my favorite wrs in all of college football and could be the top wr in the 2010 class.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
If only he could master the apparently difficult skill of signaling for a fair catch...
Chachi
Footballguy
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- North Carolina receiver Brandon Tate suffered a significant knee injury with ligament damage in Saturday's win over Notre Dame, a school source told ESPN's Joe Schad.
Coach Butch Davis said Tate was scheduled to undergo an MRI on Sunday evening. Results are not expected to be announced until Monday.
Tate left the then-22nd-ranked Tar Heels' 29-24 win in the first quarter Saturday with what was termed a sprained right knee. The Atlantic Coast Conference's leader in all-purpose yardage was hurt while returning a punt late in the quarter.
Doctors examined his right knee on the sideline and he walked to the locker room under his own power.
Coach Butch Davis said Tate was scheduled to undergo an MRI on Sunday evening. Results are not expected to be announced until Monday.
Tate left the then-22nd-ranked Tar Heels' 29-24 win in the first quarter Saturday with what was termed a sprained right knee. The Atlantic Coast Conference's leader in all-purpose yardage was hurt while returning a punt late in the quarter.
Doctors examined his right knee on the sideline and he walked to the locker room under his own power.
offdee
Footballguy
Maybe not the right thread, but a guy I'm keeping my eye on for 2010 is Soph. WR, Dez Bryant (Oklahoma St.)
He's got a Chad Johnson-esque type of game and swagger about him which I find intriguing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ5uPJGwscU
He's got a Chad Johnson-esque type of game and swagger about him which I find intriguing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ5uPJGwscU
EBF
Footballguy
shader
Footballguy
Looking to the 2011 draft? 
Julio Jones (Bama) and AJ Green (Georgia) will be top ten selections.
Green is in more of a passing offense so will put up better stats this year... He looks very smooth and quick, but has had problems catching the ball. But he's a true freshman and is playing lights out.
I've watched every Bama game and Julio Jones is the most polished freshman I've ever seen in college football. I've only seen one mistake all year and that was just one drop. Jones is a Terrell Owens clone without the attitude and with better hands. I know it's early to be saying that, but he's the biggest can't miss prospect in all of college football right now.
Julio Jones (Bama) and AJ Green (Georgia) will be top ten selections.
Green is in more of a passing offense so will put up better stats this year... He looks very smooth and quick, but has had problems catching the ball. But he's a true freshman and is playing lights out.
I've watched every Bama game and Julio Jones is the most polished freshman I've ever seen in college football. I've only seen one mistake all year and that was just one drop. Jones is a Terrell Owens clone without the attitude and with better hands. I know it's early to be saying that, but he's the biggest can't miss prospect in all of college football right now.
EBF
Footballguy
Caught a little bit of this game. Didn't get a chance to watch it closely, but from what I saw Murray looked pretty ordinary. Ditto the Texas RBs. WRs Shipley and Cosby could be mid-late round draft prospects. I didn't pay close enough attention to Bradford to say much about how he played.
Chachi
Footballguy
Tate's Tar Heels career over after MRI reveals torn ACL and MCL
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- North Carolina receiver Brandon Tate is out for the season because of a knee injury, ending his college career and leaving the No. 18 Tar Heels without a big-play threat and kick returner.
A season of huge potential has ended prematurely for Brandon Tate, who gets knocked head over heels by Notre Dame defenders Steve Quinn (48) and Mike Anello in the first quarter Saturday.
Coach Butch Davis said Monday that an MRI on Sunday night confirmed an earlier diagnosis of torn anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments.
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- North Carolina receiver Brandon Tate is out for the season because of a knee injury, ending his college career and leaving the No. 18 Tar Heels without a big-play threat and kick returner.
A season of huge potential has ended prematurely for Brandon Tate, who gets knocked head over heels by Notre Dame defenders Steve Quinn (48) and Mike Anello in the first quarter Saturday.
Coach Butch Davis said Monday that an MRI on Sunday night confirmed an earlier diagnosis of torn anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments.
Brewzers
Footballguy
Really disappointing game for Murray as an RB, he didn't impress me running the ball at all. He did great catching the ball in space. Bradford is a great QB prospect. He is big play/big time. Texas doesn't really have a star on the team, which probably makes them more dangerous as a "team". I love watching opposing teams figure out the no name WRs, Shipley and Cosby. Both are lightning fast.Bring on Daniel and Maclin next week!
EBF
Footballguy
No. He doesn't have a great burst and he's also undersized. 2nd-3rd round pick. Probably just a journeyman at the next level.
Even 2nd round is stretching it for Ringer, he is a classic 3rd/4th round pick.
EBF
Footballguy
I agree with this, but we've seen monster senior years push some marginal prospects into the 2nd-3rd round range (Tatum Bell, JJ Arrington, Matt Forte, Kevin Smith). With decent workouts Ringer could definitely trick some team into grabbing him in the 2nd. If I were an NFL GM I wouldn't consider him until the 4th. He doesn't have the dynamic qualities of a top pro prospect.Even 2nd round is stretching it for Ringer, he is a classic 3rd/4th round pick.
EBF
Footballguy
That's a good looking player. Reminds me a little bit of Reggie Wayne. Definitely one to watch for next year.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
He's hella strong for his size, a la Booker - but without Booker's elite speed. I don't think Ringer is even a 3rd down back or spot starter in the League, but he may end up late 2nd/early 3rd for some really good bench press #s and decent timed speed.I agree with this, but we've seen monster senior years push some marginal prospects into the 2nd-3rd round range (Tatum Bell, JJ Arrington, Matt Forte, Kevin Smith). With decent workouts Ringer could definitely trick some team into grabbing him in the 2nd. If I were an NFL GM I wouldn't consider him until the 4th. He doesn't have the dynamic qualities of a top pro prospect.Even 2nd round is stretching it for Ringer, he is a classic 3rd/4th round pick.
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awesomeness
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a lot of NFL prospects are having big games today.
Chachi
Footballguy
Chris Wells is going to be an absolute stud at the next level and a workhorse, very high on him, this is the 3rd game I've watched him in this season.
Ringer just looked kinda "Meh" today.
Murray looked pretty good, looks like he's getting over the injury finally.
Didn't get a chance to watch any other games, by the stats McCoy had a huge day. Crabtree had a big day as always, Stafford had a huge day. Moreno is a scoring machine. This class seems to be coming along.
Ringer just looked kinda "Meh" today.
Murray looked pretty good, looks like he's getting over the injury finally.
Didn't get a chance to watch any other games, by the stats McCoy had a huge day. Crabtree had a big day as always, Stafford had a huge day. Moreno is a scoring machine. This class seems to be coming along.
