2009 rookie drafts (2 Viewers)

[EBF]

Add that to having no franchise QB's in the class and no standout RB this class is so similar to the 2002 class it is striking.

Eh, I don't agree with that comparison. 2002 had William Green and TJ Duckett. I see four potential first round RBs this year: Wells, McCoy, Spiller, and Moreno. You gotta figure 1-2 of these guys will be successful in the NFL. 2002 had Ashley Lelie, Javon Walker, and Donte Stallworth. This class has a top 10 type WR (Crabtree) and three others who figure to go in the top 25 picks (Maclin, Harvin, DHB). I see what you're saying about Harvin and Ginn. They both have a little bit of that Ted Ginn "KR/PR" feel, but I think they're both more promising than Ginn as pure WR prospects. Maclin has better stats than Ginn did and isn't quite as dependent on his built up speed. Harvin strikes me as the type of explosive jitterbug WR that excels in the NFL (like S. Smith, Royal, and S. Moss). I think he's a relatively safe bet to become a solid pro wideout. Then there are some unsung depth guys that could develop into much better pros than the scrubs chosen in rounds 2-3 in 2002.

 

[treat88]

Something is wrong with your quote, i didnt say the first thing.

Yeah. I quoted your quote and it didn't quite come out right.I believe moderated said that first part.

 

[moderated]

Add that to having no franchise QB's in the class and no standout RB this class is so similar to the 2002 class it is striking.

Eh, I don't agree with that comparison. 2002 had William Green and TJ Duckett. I see four potential first round RBs this year: Wells, McCoy, Spiller, and Moreno. You gotta figure 1-2 of these guys will be successful in the NFL. 2002 had Ashley Lelie, Javon Walker, and Donte Stallworth. This class has a top 10 type WR (Crabtree) and three others who figure to go in the top 25 picks (Maclin, Harvin, DHB). I see what you're saying about Harvin and Ginn. They both have a little bit of that Ted Ginn "KR/PR" feel, but I think they're both more promising than Ginn as pure WR prospects. Maclin has better stats than Ginn did and isn't quite as dependent on his built up speed. Harvin strikes me as the type of explosive jitterbug WR that excels in the NFL (like S. Smith, Royal, and S. Moss). I think he's a relatively safe bet to become a solid pro wideout. Then there are some unsung depth guys that could develop into much better pros than the scrubs chosen in rounds 2-3 in 2002.

Going into the 2002 draft Foster/Portis were thought of as solid RB prospects as well. So Green/Duckett/Foster/Portis grade out about as well as Wells/McCoy/Spiller/Moreno will this year. The RB strength is almost identical based on how it was viewed going into the draft.Also Stallworth/Walker/Lelie were all top 25 picks just as Maclin/Harvin/DHB will be, so again at the time of the draft the WR's are very similar.As i stated, the one thing the 2002 draft didn't have that this one has is a top flight stud WR prospect, other then that this class is eerily similar.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Think the only way you can see this draft as weak is if you're in a RB dominant league. In an equal scoring league, I think its pretty stacked. WR, TE and LBer are all strong. QB weak, RB atleast average if not slightly above.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Think the only way you can see this draft as weak is if you're in a RB dominant league. In an equal scoring league, I think its pretty stacked. WR, TE and LBer are all strong. QB weak, RB atleast average if not slightly above below.

Fixed. The RB class may not end up all that bad, but in my 7 years of dynasty leagues, this one is the worst...as of right now anyway. I would love to be wrong, as i have a good amount of first round picks, but i am not seeing it.ETA, This is a good WR class, but take out Crabtree, and its nothing special.

 

[Chachi]

Add that to having no franchise QB's in the class and no standout RB this class is so similar to the 2002 class it is striking.

Eh, I don't agree with that comparison. 2002 had William Green and TJ Duckett. I see four potential first round RBs this year: Wells, McCoy, Spiller, and Moreno. You gotta figure 1-2 of these guys will be successful in the NFL. 2002 had Ashley Lelie, Javon Walker, and Donte Stallworth. This class has a top 10 type WR (Crabtree) and three others who figure to go in the top 25 picks (Maclin, Harvin, DHB). I see what you're saying about Harvin and Ginn. They both have a little bit of that Ted Ginn "KR/PR" feel, but I think they're both more promising than Ginn as pure WR prospects. Maclin has better stats than Ginn did and isn't quite as dependent on his built up speed. Harvin strikes me as the type of explosive jitterbug WR that excels in the NFL (like S. Smith, Royal, and S. Moss). I think he's a relatively safe bet to become a solid pro wideout. Then there are some unsung depth guys that could develop into much better pros than the scrubs chosen in rounds 2-3 in 2002.

Going into the 2002 draft Foster/Portis were thought of as solid RB prospects as well. So Green/Duckett/Foster/Portis grade out about as well as Wells/McCoy/Spiller/Moreno will this year. The RB strength is almost identical based on how it was viewed going into the draft.Also Stallworth/Walker/Lelie were all top 25 picks just as Maclin/Harvin/DHB will be, so again at the time of the draft the WR's are very similar.As i stated, the one thing the 2002 draft didn't have that this one has is a top flight stud WR prospect, other then that this class is eerily similar.

I happen to disagree. I don't recall William Green who was the 1st RB taken and seen as the top talent in 02 comparing to the skills or the hype even of Chris Wells, I've heard Wells name as being a top 5 pick and remember William Green was seen as a top 20 pick at best. Also the Stallworth/Walker/Lelie being top 25 picks doesn't mean squat at this point because they all happened to be busts with Walker being the only exception in some ways. The fact is that they didn't pan out so it's not comparable, you can compare it 5 years after so if in 2013 you can claim you were right but not now. With the rookie salary cap being a real possibility this class may end up being deeper than any class ever so alot of these 3rd and 4th round rookie picks could have a real chance at being 2nd round values. I just don't think you can take a class and compare them when everybody but Portis ended up being busts. If it just so happened that Green/Duckett and Foster all became bonafide studs would you be making this comparison?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Add that to having no franchise QB's in the class and no standout RB this class is so similar to the 2002 class it is striking.

Eh, I don't agree with that comparison. 2002 had William Green and TJ Duckett. I see four potential first round RBs this year: Wells, McCoy, Spiller, and Moreno. You gotta figure 1-2 of these guys will be successful in the NFL.

2002 had Ashley Lelie, Javon Walker, and Donte Stallworth. This class has a top 10 type WR (Crabtree) and three others who figure to go in the top 25 picks (Maclin, Harvin, DHB). I see what you're saying about Harvin and Ginn. They both have a little bit of that Ted Ginn "KR/PR" feel, but I think they're both more promising than Ginn as pure WR prospects. Maclin has better stats than Ginn did and isn't quite as dependent on his built up speed. Harvin strikes me as the type of explosive jitterbug WR that excels in the NFL (like S. Smith, Royal, and S. Moss). I think he's a relatively safe bet to become a solid pro wideout. Then there are some unsung depth guys that could develop into much better pros than the scrubs chosen in rounds 2-3 in 2002.

Going into the 2002 draft Foster/Portis were thought of as solid RB prospects as well. So Green/Duckett/Foster/Portis grade out about as well as Wells/McCoy/Spiller/Moreno will this year. The RB strength is almost identical based on how it was viewed going into the draft.Also Stallworth/Walker/Lelie were all top 25 picks just as Maclin/Harvin/DHB will be, so again at the time of the draft the WR's are very similar.

As i stated, the one thing the 2002 draft didn't have that this one has is a top flight stud WR prospect, other then that this class is eerily similar.

I happen to disagree. I don't recall William Green who was the 1st RB taken and seen as the top talent in 02 comparing to the skills or the hype even of Chris Wells, I've heard Wells name as being a top 5 pick and remember William Green was seen as a top 20 pick at best. Also the Stallworth/Walker/Lelie being top 25 picks doesn't mean squat at this point because they all happened to be busts with Walker being the only exception in some ways. The fact is that they didn't pan out so it's not comparable, you can compare it 5 years after so if in 2013 you can claim you were right but not now. With the rookie salary cap being a real possibility this class may end up being deeper than any class ever so alot of these 3rd and 4th round rookie picks could have a real chance at being 2nd round values.

I just don't think you can take a class and compare them when everybody but Portis ended up being busts. If it just so happened that Green/Duckett and Foster all became bonafide studs would you be making this comparison?

No way Wells is a top 5 pick. RB's dont go that early unless they are elote talents. Even AD slid past the top 5, and Wells is no AD, Mcfadden or Bush.I dont think you have to wait 5 years to judge the success of a draft class. I think we have a pretty good idea how good the 2007 draft class is, and its only 18 months later.

 

[Chachi]

Add that to having no franchise QB's in the class and no standout RB this class is so similar to the 2002 class it is striking.

Eh, I don't agree with that comparison. 2002 had William Green and TJ Duckett. I see four potential first round RBs this year: Wells, McCoy, Spiller, and Moreno. You gotta figure 1-2 of these guys will be successful in the NFL.

2002 had Ashley Lelie, Javon Walker, and Donte Stallworth. This class has a top 10 type WR (Crabtree) and three others who figure to go in the top 25 picks (Maclin, Harvin, DHB). I see what you're saying about Harvin and Ginn. They both have a little bit of that Ted Ginn "KR/PR" feel, but I think they're both more promising than Ginn as pure WR prospects. Maclin has better stats than Ginn did and isn't quite as dependent on his built up speed. Harvin strikes me as the type of explosive jitterbug WR that excels in the NFL (like S. Smith, Royal, and S. Moss). I think he's a relatively safe bet to become a solid pro wideout. Then there are some unsung depth guys that could develop into much better pros than the scrubs chosen in rounds 2-3 in 2002.

Going into the 2002 draft Foster/Portis were thought of as solid RB prospects as well. So Green/Duckett/Foster/Portis grade out about as well as Wells/McCoy/Spiller/Moreno will this year. The RB strength is almost identical based on how it was viewed going into the draft.Also Stallworth/Walker/Lelie were all top 25 picks just as Maclin/Harvin/DHB will be, so again at the time of the draft the WR's are very similar.

As i stated, the one thing the 2002 draft didn't have that this one has is a top flight stud WR prospect, other then that this class is eerily similar.

I happen to disagree. I don't recall William Green who was the 1st RB taken and seen as the top talent in 02 comparing to the skills or the hype even of Chris Wells, I've heard Wells name as being a top 5 pick and remember William Green was seen as a top 20 pick at best. Also the Stallworth/Walker/Lelie being top 25 picks doesn't mean squat at this point because they all happened to be busts with Walker being the only exception in some ways. The fact is that they didn't pan out so it's not comparable, you can compare it 5 years after so if in 2013 you can claim you were right but not now. With the rookie salary cap being a real possibility this class may end up being deeper than any class ever so alot of these 3rd and 4th round rookie picks could have a real chance at being 2nd round values.

I just don't think you can take a class and compare them when everybody but Portis ended up being busts. If it just so happened that Green/Duckett and Foster all became bonafide studs would you be making this comparison?

No way Wells is a top 5 pick. RB's dont go that early unless they are elote talents. Even AD slid past the top 5, and Wells is no AD, Mcfadden or Bush.I dont think you have to wait 5 years to judge the success of a draft class. I think we have a pretty good idea how good the 2007 draft class is, and its only 18 months later.

I may be in the minority but I like Wells alot and consider him a very high pick. I agree they don't go that early unless they're elite but I guess I just consider him elite, my best guess at this point is he would be a top 10 pick with a shot at top 5. I see your point about 18 months, that's fine and dandy and my point is you can't judge this class right now, that was my point. Here are the 2 mock draft sites with their mocks that I respect the most that have current mocks. They have Wells going at 4 and 11 to both Ohio NFL teams.

Draft Countdown

Footballs Future

 

[fruity pebbles]

Think the only way you can see this draft as weak is if you're in a RB dominant league. In an equal scoring league, I think its pretty stacked. WR, TE and LBer are all strong. QB weak, RB atleast average if not slightly above below.

Fixed. The RB class may not end up all that bad, but in my 7 years of dynasty leagues, this one is the worst...as of right now anyway. I would love to be wrong, as i have a good amount of first round picks, but i am not seeing it.ETA, This is a good WR class, but take out Crabtree, and its nothing special.

Think you're discounting Wells in particular. Many scouts see him as an elite talent almost on par with Peterson. Here's on ein particular. http://www.walterfootball.com/pro2009cwells.php

Also think McCoy and Moreno will be very good prospects.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I think Wells is a stud and will be a beast in the NFL. He has it all.

6'1" - 235 pounds and runs like a much quicker back. He's like a man playing with boys out there right now.

 

[awesomeness]

When people are saying there are no franchise QBs in this draft, they are assuming Sam Bradford is not declaring for the draft right?

 

[Burning Sensation]

When people are saying there are no franchise QBs in this draft, they are assuming Sam Bradford is not declaring for the draft right?

Yes, he said he was staying in school next year.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Think the only way you can see this draft as weak is if you're in a RB dominant league. In an equal scoring league, I think its pretty stacked. WR, TE and LBer are all strong. QB weak, RB atleast average if not slightly above below.

Fixed. The RB class may not end up all that bad, but in my 7 years of dynasty leagues, this one is the worst...as of right now anyway. I would love to be wrong, as i have a good amount of first round picks, but i am not seeing it.ETA, This is a good WR class, but take out Crabtree, and its nothing special.

Think you're discounting Wells in particular. Many scouts see him as an elite talent almost on par with Peterson. Here's on ein particular. http://www.walterfootball.com/pro2009cwells.php

Also think McCoy and Moreno will be very good prospects.

I actually prefer Moreno to Wells. Wells wont go in the top 5, unless the Browns are picking there, and he still probably wont be picked that high.

 

[awesomeness]

When people are saying there are no franchise QBs in this draft, they are assuming Sam Bradford is not declaring for the draft right?

Yes, he said he was staying in school next year.

Its early, and the kid is young. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he ends up changing his mind and declares, especially if the Sooners win a BCS bowl. He'll likely be missing out on a LOT of money if he stays another year.

 

[moderated]

When people are saying there are no franchise QBs in this draft, they are assuming Sam Bradford is not declaring for the draft right?

Yes, he said he was staying in school next year.

Its early, and the kid is young. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he ends up changing his mind and declares, especially if the Sooners win a BCS bowl. He'll likely be missing out on a LOT of money if he stays another year.

If he's guaranteed top 5 he's gone. No one is gonna risk pulling a Leinart again.

 

[jurb26]

When people are saying there are no franchise QBs in this draft, they are assuming Sam Bradford is not declaring for the draft right?

Yes, he said he was staying in school next year.

Stafford will grade out as a franchise QB.

 

[MAC_32]

I believe it's a bit too early to come to any consensus on a top tier of any sort, especially including any of the WRs in it. Why? For starters, there's not much separating the elite WRs in this draft, as all of them are very good (Maclin, Crabtree, DHB, among the best, but there are others probably a rung below but also very good). That being the case, a WR's situation would play a big role in his ranking.....Since Calvin was head and shoulders above the crowd in his draft, it didn't matter to which team he went to, but for this crop the team/situation could tip the scales to favor one over the other.....

Call me crazy, but I think Crabtree might be in the same class as Calvin.

Yeah, mac, you are crazy......Not even close....you're talking about a guy not only with outstanding hands, but who's 6'5" and a legit 240 lbs that runs a sub 4.4 forty AND is uber-athletic......Crabtree is not in the same precinct.....a better comparison for Crabtree will be Larry Fitzgerald, but as far as grading out as a prospect, Calvin is in rare company......Moss and Calvin, in any order, stand above any other WR prospects in history.....and no one coming down the pike will enter into that realm.....before anyone says Andre Johnson....sorry, see point #1 (not great hands)

I'm pretty sure Fitz graded out better than Calvin.

Yep, I think they're all in a similar class. Just because I think Crabtree's in the same class as them doesn't mean I think he's the same type of player as both of them. They're all elite WR's, but they all bring something different to the table.

 

[MAC_32]

Isn't Colt McCoy a Junior? Why is nobody talking about him? Comes from a great program. Seems to have the size (6'3"). Has incredible accuracy. Seems to be very smart. The only thing i'm not sure of is his arm strength (haven't watched enough of him). What is he missing? Why is he not talked about as one of the top prospects?I think he should be considered a candidate for the 1st pick in the draft to the Lions...I forgot to add that he is also very mobile. He is a great runner.

I think McCoy's decision making and field vision are horrible.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

Isn't Colt McCoy a Junior? Why is nobody talking about him? Comes from a great program. Seems to have the size (6'3"). Has incredible accuracy. Seems to be very smart. The only thing i'm not sure of is his arm strength (haven't watched enough of him). What is he missing? Why is he not talked about as one of the top prospects?I think he should be considered a candidate for the 1st pick in the draft to the Lions...I forgot to add that he is also very mobile. He is a great runner.

I think McCoy's decision making and field vision are horrible.

Gonna be watching this Oklahoma State game and really concentrating on Colt McCoy.I'm hoping to get a good idea if he can be succesful in the NFL or not.

 

[MAC_32]

Isn't Colt McCoy a Junior? Why is nobody talking about him? Comes from a great program. Seems to have the size (6'3"). Has incredible accuracy. Seems to be very smart. The only thing i'm not sure of is his arm strength (haven't watched enough of him). What is he missing? Why is he not talked about as one of the top prospects?I think he should be considered a candidate for the 1st pick in the draft to the Lions...I forgot to add that he is also very mobile. He is a great runner.

I think McCoy's decision making and field vision are horrible.

Gonna be watching this Oklahoma State game and really concentrating on Colt McCoy.I'm hoping to get a good idea if he can be succesful in the NFL or not.

Wishing I was watching it so I could build on my sample base of him, stuck with Michigan v. Sparty. Sweet.

 

[JAA]

McCoy looks to be the real deal.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

 

[moderated]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

There is no way Ringer is a 1st round pick, in fact i'd be shocked if he went in the 2nd.3rd-5th round pick.

 

[MAC_32]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

If an NFL GM buys into his raw numbers and pays accordingly I think he will be disappointed. He's an uninspiring day 2 RB in my book, he doesn't do anything poorly but he doesn't do anything exceptionally well either. A career backup.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Think the only way you can see this draft as weak is if you're in a RB dominant league. In an equal scoring league, I think its pretty stacked. WR, TE and LBer are all strong. QB weak, RB atleast average if not slightly above below.

Fixed. The RB class may not end up all that bad, but in my 7 years of dynasty leagues, this one is the worst...as of right now anyway. I would love to be wrong, as i have a good amount of first round picks, but i am not seeing it.ETA, This is a good WR class, but take out Crabtree, and its nothing special.

Think you're discounting Wells in particular. Many scouts see him as an elite talent almost on par with Peterson. Here's on ein particular. http://www.walterfootball.com/pro2009cwells.php

Also think McCoy and Moreno will be very good prospects.

I actually prefer Moreno to Wells. Wells wont go in the top 5, unless the Browns are picking there, and he still probably wont be picked that high.

Bengals will need a RB next year and Wells will help fill the seats.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

If an NFL GM buys into his raw numbers and pays accordingly I think he will be disappointed. He's an uninspiring day 2 RB in my book, he doesn't do anything poorly but he doesn't do anything exceptionally well either. A career backup.

I must say this surprises me. He's a little undersized (5'9, 205), but not miniscule. He is strong as an ox (squats 600+, benches 400+) and reportedly runs a sub 4.4. He seems to me to have "it" when he runs as far as vision and decision making, but I admit that I am not a great evaluator of how college players transition to the NFL.

 

[EBF]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

If an NFL GM buys into his raw numbers and pays accordingly I think he will be disappointed. He's an uninspiring day 2 RB in my book, he doesn't do anything poorly but he doesn't do anything exceptionally well either. A career backup.

I must say this surprises me. He's a little undersized (5'9, 205), but not miniscule. He is strong as an ox (squats 600+, benches 400+) and reportedly runs a sub 4.4. He seems to me to have "it" when he runs as far as vision and decision making, but I admit that I am not a great evaluator of how college players transition to the NFL.

If he really runs a sub 4.4 then he could be a high pick. He doesn't look that fast to me on the field. My hunch is that he isn't fast enough to get away with being so small. He just doesn't have a great burst for a smaller back. I think he's a classic 2nd-4th round type unless he destroys the combine.

 

[MAC_32]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

If an NFL GM buys into his raw numbers and pays accordingly I think he will be disappointed. He's an uninspiring day 2 RB in my book, he doesn't do anything poorly but he doesn't do anything exceptionally well either. A career backup.

I must say this surprises me. He's a little undersized (5'9, 205), but not miniscule. He is strong as an ox (squats 600+, benches 400+) and reportedly runs a sub 4.4. He seems to me to have "it" when he runs as far as vision and decision making, but I admit that I am not a great evaluator of how college players transition to the NFL.

If he really runs a sub 4.4 then he could be a high pick. He doesn't look that fast to me on the field. My hunch is that he isn't fast enough to get away with being so small. He just doesn't have a great burst for a smaller back. I think he's a classic 2nd-4th round type unless he destroys the combine.

The announcers in game said 'and there's Ringer with his 4.3 speed' as a Michigan defensive lineman almost caught him from behind on his 65 yd TD run. That got a chorus of laughter from the five of us in my living room. If Ringer has 4.3 speed then Brandon Graham is the next big thing (he's not).

 

[Burning Sensation]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

If an NFL GM buys into his raw numbers and pays accordingly I think he will be disappointed. He's an uninspiring day 2 RB in my book, he doesn't do anything poorly but he doesn't do anything exceptionally well either. A career backup.

I must say this surprises me. He's a little undersized (5'9, 205), but not miniscule. He is strong as an ox (squats 600+, benches 400+) and reportedly runs a sub 4.4. He seems to me to have "it" when he runs as far as vision and decision making, but I admit that I am not a great evaluator of how college players transition to the NFL.

If he really runs a sub 4.4 then he could be a high pick. He doesn't look that fast to me on the field. My hunch is that he isn't fast enough to get away with being so small. He just doesn't have a great burst for a smaller back. I think he's a classic 2nd-4th round type unless he destroys the combine.

The announcers in game said 'and there's Ringer with his 4.3 speed' as a Michigan defensive lineman almost caught him from behind on his 65 yd TD run. That got a chorus of laughter from the five of us in my living room. If Ringer has 4.3 speed then Brandon Graham is the next big thing (he's not).

Darren Mcfadden ran a 4.3 forty and he almost got caught from behind by Ali Highsmith.I havnt seen much of Ringer, but people said Slaton was too small, and lacked the speed/explosivenss to be anything other than a 3rd down back. I agree that no way Ringer goes in the first round, but that doesnt mean he cant be a solid back in the NFL.

 

[MAC_32]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

If an NFL GM buys into his raw numbers and pays accordingly I think he will be disappointed. He's an uninspiring day 2 RB in my book, he doesn't do anything poorly but he doesn't do anything exceptionally well either. A career backup.

I must say this surprises me. He's a little undersized (5'9, 205), but not miniscule. He is strong as an ox (squats 600+, benches 400+) and reportedly runs a sub 4.4. He seems to me to have "it" when he runs as far as vision and decision making, but I admit that I am not a great evaluator of how college players transition to the NFL.

If he really runs a sub 4.4 then he could be a high pick. He doesn't look that fast to me on the field. My hunch is that he isn't fast enough to get away with being so small. He just doesn't have a great burst for a smaller back. I think he's a classic 2nd-4th round type unless he destroys the combine.

The announcers in game said 'and there's Ringer with his 4.3 speed' as a Michigan defensive lineman almost caught him from behind on his 65 yd TD run. That got a chorus of laughter from the five of us in my living room. If Ringer has 4.3 speed then Brandon Graham is the next big thing (he's not).

Darren Mcfadden ran a 4.3 forty and he almost got caught from behind by Ali Highsmith.I havnt seen much of Ringer, but people said Slaton was too small, and lacked the speed/explosivenss to be anything other than a 3rd down back. I agree that no way Ringer goes in the first round, but that doesnt mean he cant be a solid back in the NFL.

Never said he wouldn't be a solid NFL back, I don't think he will be but I also believe in people having differing opinions (I know, on this board that's shocking). Slaton didn't show that 2nd gear last year he had shown in year's past, I'm to the point where I think he was hiding an injury because I see that 2nd gear again. That said Ringer has never shown that 2nd gear Slaton had once shown nor does he have the quick burst; he sees the field well but that's about it. At best he's a less physical Mike Hart, at worst he's a less physical Mike Hart that can't pass block. Again, just my opinion...

 

[Burning Sensation]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

If an NFL GM buys into his raw numbers and pays accordingly I think he will be disappointed. He's an uninspiring day 2 RB in my book, he doesn't do anything poorly but he doesn't do anything exceptionally well either. A career backup.

I must say this surprises me. He's a little undersized (5'9, 205), but not miniscule. He is strong as an ox (squats 600+, benches 400+) and reportedly runs a sub 4.4. He seems to me to have "it" when he runs as far as vision and decision making, but I admit that I am not a great evaluator of how college players transition to the NFL.

If he really runs a sub 4.4 then he could be a high pick. He doesn't look that fast to me on the field. My hunch is that he isn't fast enough to get away with being so small. He just doesn't have a great burst for a smaller back. I think he's a classic 2nd-4th round type unless he destroys the combine.

The announcers in game said 'and there's Ringer with his 4.3 speed' as a Michigan defensive lineman almost caught him from behind on his 65 yd TD run. That got a chorus of laughter from the five of us in my living room. If Ringer has 4.3 speed then Brandon Graham is the next big thing (he's not).

Darren Mcfadden ran a 4.3 forty and he almost got caught from behind by Ali Highsmith.I havnt seen much of Ringer, but people said Slaton was too small, and lacked the speed/explosivenss to be anything other than a 3rd down back. I agree that no way Ringer goes in the first round, but that doesnt mean he cant be a solid back in the NFL.

Never said he wouldn't be a solid NFL back, I don't think he will be but I also believe in people having differing opinions (I know, on this board that's shocking). Slaton didn't show that 2nd gear last year he had shown in year's past, I'm to the point where I think he was hiding an injury because I see that 2nd gear again. That said Ringer has never shown that 2nd gear Slaton had once shown nor does he have the quick burst; he sees the field well but that's about it. At best he's a less physical Mike Hart, at worst he's a less physical Mike Hart that can't pass block. Again, just my opinion...

I agree with you on Slaton, and i will take your word on Ringer, as i have not seen much of him. My only point was some people tend to disregard smaller backs if they dont run a 4.1 forty, and sometimes that doesnt even matter.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

If an NFL GM buys into his raw numbers and pays accordingly I think he will be disappointed. He's an uninspiring day 2 RB in my book, he doesn't do anything poorly but he doesn't do anything exceptionally well either. A career backup.

I must say this surprises me. He's a little undersized (5'9, 205), but not miniscule. He is strong as an ox (squats 600+, benches 400+) and reportedly runs a sub 4.4. He seems to me to have "it" when he runs as far as vision and decision making, but I admit that I am not a great evaluator of how college players transition to the NFL.

If he really runs a sub 4.4 then he could be a high pick. He doesn't look that fast to me on the field. My hunch is that he isn't fast enough to get away with being so small. He just doesn't have a great burst for a smaller back. I think he's a classic 2nd-4th round type unless he destroys the combine.

Ringer screams Denver Bronco one cut system to me

 

[3C's]

Ringer will be a 2nd or 3rd round pick

 

[EBF]

Chris Wells was shut down by Penn State while Moreno ripped LSU a new one.

LeSean McCoy also had a big game.

It will be tricky ranking this year's top RB tier.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

There is no way Ringer is a 1st round pick, in fact i'd be shocked if he went in the 2nd.3rd-5th round pick.

Concur. A Chris Henry-type combine with his strength and alleged timed speed could very well vault him into the top of the 2nd to an overzealous, underinformed GM/owner though.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

There is no way Ringer is a 1st round pick, in fact i'd be shocked if he went in the 2nd.3rd-5th round pick.

Concur. A Chris Henry-type combine with his strength and alleged timed speed could very well vault him into the top of the 2nd to an overzealous, underinformed GM/owner though.

By underinformed, do you mean a GM that doesn't know quite as much about him as you do? I know you weren't comparing him to Henry here, but there is a HUGE difference between the two as Henry didn't do squat in college while Ringer is putting up crazy numbers.Also, someone earlier compared Ringer to Mike Hart - that's not close. Hart was slow even for a college back, I think he ran a 4.6 at the combine? Ringer, while he may not run a 4.3, will still be in the 4.4 region. I really like the kid.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Chris Wells was shut down by Penn State while Moreno ripped LSU a new one.

Any running back can get shut down for a game if a team with a good defense doesn't respect the pass. Moreno got held pretty well in check by Florida. I still think both Moreno and Wells are going to be excellent at the next level. Matthew Stafford as the top QB in the class, on the other hand, is a joke.

 

[EBF]

Any running back can get shut down for a game if a team with a good defense doesn't respect the pass. Moreno got held pretty well in check by Florida. I still think both Moreno and Wells are going to be excellent at the next level.

One game doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things. I'm still in the process of compiling my RB rankings. No one really jumps out at me as a "must own" right now, but there are some guys who could be nice gambles.

Matthew Stafford as the top QB in the class, on the other hand, is a joke.

Incoming jurb26...

 

[Cookiemonster]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

There is no way Ringer is a 1st round pick, in fact i'd be shocked if he went in the 2nd.3rd-5th round pick.

Concur. A Chris Henry-type combine with his strength and alleged timed speed could very well vault him into the top of the 2nd to an overzealous, underinformed GM/owner though.

By underinformed, do you mean a GM that doesn't know quite as much about him as you do? I know you weren't comparing him to Henry here, but there is a HUGE difference between the two as Henry didn't do squat in college while Ringer is putting up crazy numbers.

Also, someone earlier compared Ringer to Mike Hart - that's not close. Hart was slow even for a college back, I think he ran a 4.6 at the combine? Ringer, while he may not run a 4.3, will still be in the 4.4 region. I really like the kid.

As far as judging talent for my own eyes (especially RBs), I'm sure there are a couple GM/owners that are a worse judge of talent than me. Al Davis being tops on my list.ETA: If they were to listen to their scouting staff more than their penis, I'm sure every team in the NFL could draft better than me, as I don't have access to "all 22" cams, or personal workouts. Some are not smart enough to listen to the guys they've hired.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I know you weren't comparing him to Henry here, but there is a HUGE difference between the two as Henry didn't do squat in college while Ringer is putting up crazy numbers.Also, someone earlier compared Ringer to Mike Hart - that's not close. Hart was slow even for a college back, I think he ran a 4.6 at the combine? Ringer, while he may not run a 4.3, will still be in the 4.4 region. I really like the kid.

IMO, Hart is a better NFL prospect than ringer. Hart IS slow. I won't deny that. If he were a little faster, Hart could compare to R.Rice (my #3 rook RB rank, pre-season). Ringer doesn't impress me as much as Hart, but definately has better measurables. I see Booker II. Just me though, and I guess I don't know much.

 

[MAC_32]

Chris Wells was shut down by Penn State while Moreno ripped LSU a new one.

Local word is that Banie played the Penn St game through a hamstrong injury, something to monitor.

 

[MAC_32]

Curious as to people's thoughts on Ringer from MSU. Talk radio guys around here say anywhere from late 1st to 3rd, which is a pretty big range.

There is no way Ringer is a 1st round pick, in fact i'd be shocked if he went in the 2nd.3rd-5th round pick.

Concur. A Chris Henry-type combine with his strength and alleged timed speed could very well vault him into the top of the 2nd to an overzealous, underinformed GM/owner though.

By underinformed, do you mean a GM that doesn't know quite as much about him as you do? I know you weren't comparing him to Henry here, but there is a HUGE difference between the two as Henry didn't do squat in college while Ringer is putting up crazy numbers.Also, someone earlier compared Ringer to Mike Hart - that's not close. Hart was slow even for a college back, I think he ran a 4.6 at the combine? Ringer, while he may not run a 4.3, will still be in the 4.4 region. I really like the kid.

I'm a bigger believer in football speed and less a believer in straight line speed in shorts and a t shirt. I've watched a lot of both backs and I don't see much of a difference speed-wise between the two, I do think that Hart is the better pure running back...he just can't stay on the field.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I know you weren't comparing him to Henry here, but there is a HUGE difference between the two as Henry didn't do squat in college while Ringer is putting up crazy numbers.

Also, someone earlier compared Ringer to Mike Hart - that's not close. Hart was slow even for a college back, I think he ran a 4.6 at the combine? Ringer, while he may not run a 4.3, will still be in the 4.4 region. I really like the kid.

IMO, Hart is a better NFL prospect than ringer. Hart IS slow. I won't deny that. If he were a little faster, Hart could compare to R.Rice (my #3 rook RB rank, pre-season). Ringer doesn't impress me as much as Hart, but definately has better measurables. I see Booker II. Just me though, and I guess I don't know much.

Based on what? Hart is lucky to be in the league.

 

[mrgerty]

Talk to me about Nate Davis from Ball State. I saw highlights of him for the first time on Sportscenter, and he looked to have an absolute huge arm!

 

[MAC_32]

Talk to me about Nate Davis from Ball State. I saw highlights of him for the first time on Sportscenter, and he looked to have an absolute huge arm!

I too would love some writeup on him, a guy I hope to watch in his upcoming games as I believe they're on ESPN at least a couple of times down the stretch + the bowl game.

 

[BigTex]

Talk to me about Nate Davis from Ball State. I saw highlights of him for the first time on Sportscenter, and he looked to have an absolute huge arm!

I too would love some writeup on him, a guy I hope to watch in his upcoming games as I believe they're on ESPN at least a couple of times down the stretch + the bowl game.

Two scouts said Wednesday that, should he choose to turn pro, Davis would likely be the third-best quarterback prospect in this year’s NFL draft. “(Georgia’s) Matt Stafford would be No. 1 and (Florida’s) Tim Tebow would be No. 2 if he decides to come out,” one scout said. “But (Davis) isn’t that far behind. He’s got the size, he’s got the strength and, most of all, he can make every single throw.

 

[3C's]

Heyward-Bey with a good game tonight. Looked really fast on the TD catch.

 

[Cookiemonster]

I know you weren't comparing him to Henry here, but there is a HUGE difference between the two as Henry didn't do squat in college while Ringer is putting up crazy numbers.

Also, someone earlier compared Ringer to Mike Hart - that's not close. Hart was slow even for a college back, I think he ran a 4.6 at the combine? Ringer, while he may not run a 4.3, will still be in the 4.4 region. I really like the kid.

IMO, Hart is a better NFL prospect than ringer. Hart IS slow. I won't deny that. If he were a little faster, Hart could compare to R.Rice (my #3 rook RB rank, pre-season). Ringer doesn't impress me as much as Hart, but definately has better measurables. I see Booker II. Just me though, and I guess I don't know much.

Based on what? Hart is lucky to be in the league.

Based on vision, patience, instinct, determination... you know. Most of the things that make RBs good before you ask them to run track.

 

[Spike]

short scouting profile on Chris Wells

http://www.walterfootball.com/pro2009cwells.php

Pretty lofty company he's put in there!Is it valid, from those who have watched him play?

 

[Spike]

I think it's a good class and I think people who sell their picks in PPR will regret it. I agree that the class is a little short on obvious superstar type talents, but it runs about 10 deep with solid prospects and there are a few 2nd-4th round guys who could be gems ala Greg Jennings, DeSean Jackson, and Eddie Royal.

The only thing that sticks out to me is the lack of a clear, bankable RB1 or RB2 in this class. I would gladly trade any of these RBs for someone like Jonathan Stewart or Marshawn Lynch. There are some guys in this group with nice upside, but one who looks like a 100% lock to hit.

Not even Wells and Moreno?