Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
.....and for every small fast guy we automatically mark him off as a change of pace back
Besides, Best isn't that small and has the frame to put on some pounds. He's not a runt.
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Besides, Best isn't that small and has the frame to put on some pounds. He's not a runt.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
That 2nd and 3rd pics, his legs look strong.
EBF
Footballguy
FWIW, I don't think much of Murray, Royster, and McKnight as NFL prospects. McKnight can make it as a situational back. The other two are pretty overrated IMO. Dwyer and Spiller are the only 2010 eligible backs who look like strong bets for the first round right now.
Johnson is my personal pick for the #3 spot. He doesn't have the hype of some of the flashier backs like Best and Murray, but I think his power/vision/footwork game will translate well to the NFL.
There's a long way to go before the 2010 draft though. These guys still have a full season to play and they have to go through the combine/pro day testing.
A
awesomeness
Guest
A lot of sleeping on Dezmon Briscoe in here. I would be pretty shocked if he doesn't end up a 1st round fantasy pick in 2010.
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I'm not against the guy....just now every small guy that has thick legs is MJD and is fast with small legs is Chris Johnson...just don't want that to happen......and for every small fast guy we automatically mark him off as a change of pace backBesides, Best isn't that small and has the frame to put on some pounds. He's not a runt.
TheWick
Footballguy
All this leg talk coming from the driver of the McFadden bandwagon? You posturing again or what?
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
I liked McFadden as you know even with his stick like legs, McFadden had two things Best doesn't - 1. Elite speed 2. Elite talent.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Lash
Footballguy
DeMarco Murray should be the consensus #1 fantasy pick next year
power/vision/speed (and adding size yearly while improving speed)
he is developing nicely in the adding weight department which was his "issue" out of high school, and both injuries were "freakish" type and not anything that will hinder draft status (unless of course he has another injury this season)
power/vision/speed (and adding size yearly while improving speed)
he is developing nicely in the adding weight department which was his "issue" out of high school, and both injuries were "freakish" type and not anything that will hinder draft status (unless of course he has another injury this season)
EBF
Footballguy
He's one of those prospects that people either seem to love or hate.Personally, I haven't been that impressed when I've seen him play. I'm not convinced he's one of the top 5 draft eligible backs in his class, much less the consensus #1 pick.
kremenull
Footballguy
Huh? This kid (Best) has world-class speed, and it shows on the field. This kid will blow away Bush/McFadden. I don't think Spiller has a chance, quite franckly.And, oh yeah, Best is much better than Spiller......And Chris Johnson......this kid just might be the closest thing I've seen to.....dare I say, B-A-R-R-Y......shhhhhhh! Don't tell anybody......
http://www.tfydraft.com/news.php?newsID=599
06/11 '09 BLESTO/National Grades Overview: Offense
Quarterback
The top rated senior signal callers are Tim Tebow of Florida and Colt McCoy of Texas. Each received grades from BLESTO which translate to top 75 choices in the 2010 draft and rankings from National Scouting which predict both are potential late first/early second round choices next April. Jarrett Brown of West Virginia received mid-rounds grades from both services despite sitting behind Pat White the past three seasons while Tim Hiller of Western Michigan is graded as a middle rounder by BLESTO and a late round guy by National.
Running Backs
Clemson's CJ Spiller and Charles Scott of LSU are the top rated ball carriers. Like the signal callers, both received grades from BLESTO which translate to top 75 choices in the 2010 draft and rankings from National Scouting which predict both are potential late first/early second round choices next April. BLESTO thinks highly LeGarrette Blount of Oregon while National Scouting was frugal with the running back grades they handed out. After Spiller and Scott their next rated ball carrier is Anthony Dixon of Mississippi State, who they grade as a middle round choice.
No fullback was given a grade of significance by either service.
Wide Receiver
Brandon LaFell of LSU is far and away the highest rated receiver by both services, as each predict he'll be a first round choice. Marshwan Gilyard of Cincinnati and Eric Decker of Minnesota are both considered top 75 choices by BLESTO, who also gave the same grade to small schoolers Andre Roberts of the Citadel and Donald Jones of Youngstown State. Gilyard received a late second/early third round grade from National while Decker received a 3rd/4th from the service.
Former Florida State wide out Preston Parker, who was dismissed from the Seminoles after a DUI charge and now plays at North Alabama, also received a top 75 grade from BLESTO.
Tight Ends
BLESTO thinks 2010 will be another good year for tight ends as they gave seven seniors top 75 grades. Included amongst this group is Jermaine Gresham of Oklahoma, Garrett Graham of Wisconsin and Dedrick Epps of Miami-Florida.
Gresham is National's highest rated player at the position, but the service does not think he's a sure fire first rounder and presently thinks he could slip into the second frame. National also gave Epps a free agent grade.
Offensive Line
There were several shockers when breaking down the offensive line grades.
Russell Okung of Oklahoma State was rated as a top 75 player by BLESTO but given a 3rd/4th round grade from National. Ciron Black of LSU was given the same grade by BLESTO yet National ranks the big tackle as a late rounder. Both services think Trent Williams of Oklahoma will be a first round pick.
We were quite satisfied to see that Vladimir Ducasse of UMASS was given solid grades. BLESTO ranks Ducasse as a top 75 selection while National also thinks the small school tackle, who may project to guard in the NFL, has third round ability. Last December, in our final post season rankings of small school talent, Ducasse was listed as the third best offensive lineman behind Joel Bell and Cecil Newton.
At guard, Brandon Carter of Texas Tech drew a variety of opinion. The big mauler, who gave serious thought to entering the '09 draft, ranks as a top 75 pick by BLESTO but is considered a free agent by National. Overall the highest rated guard by both services is Mike Iupati of Idaho, a lineman who was able to get his grades in order then was awarded another year on the football field. With his status up in the air we did a scouting report on Mike Iupati moving towards the '09 draft.
Center could well be the biggest shocker of all the grades.
J.D. Walton of Baylor and Matt Tennant of Boston College are the highest rated pivot blockers, receiving grades which range in the third round.
Three highly thought of centers received non-draftable grades. They include Thomas Austin of Clemson, Josh McNeil of Tennessee and Hawaii's John Estes. All three had considered entering last April's draft.
06/11 '09 BLESTO/National Grades Overview: Offense
Quarterback
The top rated senior signal callers are Tim Tebow of Florida and Colt McCoy of Texas. Each received grades from BLESTO which translate to top 75 choices in the 2010 draft and rankings from National Scouting which predict both are potential late first/early second round choices next April. Jarrett Brown of West Virginia received mid-rounds grades from both services despite sitting behind Pat White the past three seasons while Tim Hiller of Western Michigan is graded as a middle rounder by BLESTO and a late round guy by National.
Running Backs
Clemson's CJ Spiller and Charles Scott of LSU are the top rated ball carriers. Like the signal callers, both received grades from BLESTO which translate to top 75 choices in the 2010 draft and rankings from National Scouting which predict both are potential late first/early second round choices next April. BLESTO thinks highly LeGarrette Blount of Oregon while National Scouting was frugal with the running back grades they handed out. After Spiller and Scott their next rated ball carrier is Anthony Dixon of Mississippi State, who they grade as a middle round choice.
No fullback was given a grade of significance by either service.
Wide Receiver
Brandon LaFell of LSU is far and away the highest rated receiver by both services, as each predict he'll be a first round choice. Marshwan Gilyard of Cincinnati and Eric Decker of Minnesota are both considered top 75 choices by BLESTO, who also gave the same grade to small schoolers Andre Roberts of the Citadel and Donald Jones of Youngstown State. Gilyard received a late second/early third round grade from National while Decker received a 3rd/4th from the service.
Former Florida State wide out Preston Parker, who was dismissed from the Seminoles after a DUI charge and now plays at North Alabama, also received a top 75 grade from BLESTO.
Tight Ends
BLESTO thinks 2010 will be another good year for tight ends as they gave seven seniors top 75 grades. Included amongst this group is Jermaine Gresham of Oklahoma, Garrett Graham of Wisconsin and Dedrick Epps of Miami-Florida.
Gresham is National's highest rated player at the position, but the service does not think he's a sure fire first rounder and presently thinks he could slip into the second frame. National also gave Epps a free agent grade.
Offensive Line
There were several shockers when breaking down the offensive line grades.
Russell Okung of Oklahoma State was rated as a top 75 player by BLESTO but given a 3rd/4th round grade from National. Ciron Black of LSU was given the same grade by BLESTO yet National ranks the big tackle as a late rounder. Both services think Trent Williams of Oklahoma will be a first round pick.
We were quite satisfied to see that Vladimir Ducasse of UMASS was given solid grades. BLESTO ranks Ducasse as a top 75 selection while National also thinks the small school tackle, who may project to guard in the NFL, has third round ability. Last December, in our final post season rankings of small school talent, Ducasse was listed as the third best offensive lineman behind Joel Bell and Cecil Newton.
At guard, Brandon Carter of Texas Tech drew a variety of opinion. The big mauler, who gave serious thought to entering the '09 draft, ranks as a top 75 pick by BLESTO but is considered a free agent by National. Overall the highest rated guard by both services is Mike Iupati of Idaho, a lineman who was able to get his grades in order then was awarded another year on the football field. With his status up in the air we did a scouting report on Mike Iupati moving towards the '09 draft.
Center could well be the biggest shocker of all the grades.
J.D. Walton of Baylor and Matt Tennant of Boston College are the highest rated pivot blockers, receiving grades which range in the third round.
Three highly thought of centers received non-draftable grades. They include Thomas Austin of Clemson, Josh McNeil of Tennessee and Hawaii's John Estes. All three had considered entering last April's draft.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Walter Football 2010 RB Rankings
1. CJ Spiller
2. Jonathan Dwyer
3. Joe McKnight
4. Jahvid Best
5. Evan Royster
6. Chris Brown
7. DeMarco Murray
8. Noel Devine
9. Charles Scott
10. Caleb King
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010RB.php
1. CJ Spiller
2. Jonathan Dwyer
3. Joe McKnight
4. Jahvid Best
5. Evan Royster
6. Chris Brown
7. DeMarco Murray
8. Noel Devine
9. Charles Scott
10. Caleb King
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010RB.php
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Walter Football 2010 WR Rankings
1. Arrelious Benn
2. Damian Williams
3. Dez Bryant
4. Brandon LaFell
5. Golden Tate
6. Mark Dell
7. Marshawn Gilyard
8. Eric Decker
9. Dezmon Briscoe
10. Jordan Shipley
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010WR.php
1. Arrelious Benn
2. Damian Williams
3. Dez Bryant
4. Brandon LaFell
5. Golden Tate
6. Mark Dell
7. Marshawn Gilyard
8. Eric Decker
9. Dezmon Briscoe
10. Jordan Shipley
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010WR.php
EBF
Footballguy
McKnight is still coasting off his high school hype. No way he deserves to be that high based on his play.
EBF
Footballguy
Williams over Bryant is loco. There are many other things wrong with this list, but that's the most glaring bit of insanity.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
concur, this makes little sense to me.I don't have him in the top 10.
(LaGarrett Blount is at 14)
under the radar, Offdee
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
ACC's Top 30
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/acc/0-6-241/Cou...ers--No--1.html
Really hard for me to decide but clearly the top two most tauted RBs are Spiller and Best.
Rival's Top 25:
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/viewCFSE.asp?selposition=5
Gill Brandt:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/acc/0-6-241/Cou...ers--No--1.html
Really hard for me to decide but clearly the top two most tauted RBs are Spiller and Best.
Rival's Top 25:
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/viewCFSE.asp?selposition=5
Gill Brandt:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true
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awesomeness
Guest
Dezmon Briscoe too low, Damian Williams too high.
I thought McKnight had pretty good stats in 2008, comparable or better than Stafon Johnson whom you have ranked at #3. All I have are the numbers as I don't follow USC as closely as you do. Does Stafon Johnson deserve more than McKnight to be at #3 based on his play?McKnight is still coasting off his high school hype. No way he deserves to be that high based on his play.
EBF
Footballguy
Well stats are only part of the equation. CJ Gable had better stats than McKnight or Johnson and he's easily the worst NFL prospect of the three. I just don't think Joe McKnight has looked like a difference maker or an elite prospect when he's played. He's a poor man's Reggie Bush who lacks the size and power to be anything more than a third down back. He's also very inconsistent. I prefer Johnson because he has a starter's body and his game is a better fit for the NFL. Most USC fans think he's their best overall RB, but McKnight still receives more draft hype simply because of his high school reputation. Jahvid Best is a better version of McKnight and even he has limited value as an NFL draft prospect because he's so small and fragile. I think a lot of the Pac-10 talent has been overrated this year. There are some hidden gems in the conference, but I don't think Damian Williams, Jahvid Best, LeGarrette Blount, and Joe McKnight are as good as people think they are.I thought McKnight had pretty good stats in 2008, comparable or better than Stafon Johnson whom you have ranked at #3. All I have are the numbers as I don't follow USC as closely as you do. Does Stafon Johnson deserve more than McKnight to be at #3 based on his play?McKnight is still coasting off his high school hype. No way he deserves to be that high based on his play.
kremenull
Footballguy
Best isn't as good as people thinks he is, I agree. He is BETTER than what most people think of him. I wouldn't argue for these other players that you have listed here from the Pac-10, but I believe you are dead wrong on Best. This kid is very good. It just amazes me how Chris Johnson, playing in one of the weakest conferences in the country, Conference USA, I believe???, who was never even at 200 lbs in his entire college career, and still may not be there, can become a huge success in the league but a guy like Best can't, in your mind. To date, Best is far superior than Chris Johnson at the same stage in their careers. The reason that I compare these two is because they are very similar players, almost identical. And if Chris Johnson can enjoy success at the next level, I see no reason to believe that Best cannot, at least not based on your argument about his size and frailty. Best is an elite talent, with super burst/acceleration, patience, vision, and instincts. Has a lot of tools, but yes, he is undersized. Being a bit smallish is not a detriment in today's NFL with today's offenses looking to take full advantage of players' skill sets, and not focusing on what they can't do. 8.1 ypc, 1580 rush yds, 16 TDs......as a true sophomoreBest destroyed Miami in their bowl game......and say what you want about Miami of late, but the Canes always have good team speed and talent....Now, when you project to the next level, of course, nothing is guaranteed that he will enjoy the success of a Chris Johnson, lot of it is internal drive and situation as well. But my money says that he will actually be BETTER than Chris Johnson. Right now, he is definitely already a better pass catcher than him, and I see a few more moves (jukes) in his (Jahvid's) arsenal than Johnson's. Time will tell, but you are way underselling this guy........and pumping up Stafon Johnson over him????.......
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Instinctive
Footballguy
Yes...it is all part of EBF's master plan to grab Best in every league xD
That said, I totally agree that Best is an elite talent. And he still spends time practicing track and not football. Can you imagine full football all the time?
That said, I totally agree that Best is an elite talent. And he still spends time practicing track and not football. Can you imagine full football all the time?
EBF
Footballguy
I understand that Best has his fans around here and I know there's nothing I can say that will change their minds. He's a dynamic athlete and a great football player, but I don't think he has the size/strength/durability to be a #1 back in the NFL. Chris Johnson would be a best case scenario. A worst case scenario would be something along the lines of Darren Sproles or Leon Washington. I'll keep an open mind about him and re-evaluate him after the 2009 season, but for now I see him as a dynamic change of pace back rather than a franchise back.
Stafon Johnson is a different animal. He doesn't have the flashy qualities of Best, but he has an NFL frame and a well-rounded skill set. He's comparable to Matt Forte in some respects and I think he could be a better pro than college player.
Stafon Johnson is a different animal. He doesn't have the flashy qualities of Best, but he has an NFL frame and a well-rounded skill set. He's comparable to Matt Forte in some respects and I think he could be a better pro than college player.
kremenull
Footballguy
U make some good points here. But everyone has a worst case scenario.....Sproles/Washington still make plenty of plays in the league, so if that is the worst case for Best, then so be it. A guy like Johnson may turn out to be Barlow, Salaam, or Lumpkin......Nobodies. I'd just hate to be the guy who thought this about Best and miss out on a star......Forte is much harder to peg as his talent/skills don't jump out at you, so to project a guy to be close to him is much tougher than when guys have elite skills that are obvious....at least you can clearly identify what will make them special if they indeed make it there. Anyway, you just may change your tune on Best come this time next year.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Now it is good to have debates in this thread.
One question we aren't covering is....who will actually declare as an underclassman or stay in school.
I know this is hard to determine, but it is important b/c Spiller, Bradford, Murray, etc.
One question we aren't covering is....who will actually declare as an underclassman or stay in school.
I know this is hard to determine, but it is important b/c Spiller, Bradford, Murray, etc.
EBF
Footballguy
I've been talking about Best for a long time. I may have been the first person on these boards to mention him as a serious NFL prospect:
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...50&start=50
I drafted Jahvid Best and Damian Williams onto my college dynasty team when they were high school seniors. I've watched both of them gradually go from underrated ---> overrated. Not every successful college player is going to be a star in the NFL. Even 30-40% of first round NFL draft picks fail. I like what Best offers as a player, but I think it's a stretch to assume he's going to be a great pro. I think there are 4-5 RBs in this class who project a little better.
We'll see what happens in 2009. There's a lot of football left to be played and the draft landscape will change considerably over the course of the next 10 months. My concerns with Best aren't performance related though. He's a small back and he has had trouble staying healthy even at the college level. We'll have to see how high he goes in the draft and how the team that picks him plans to use him. I don't think he's an obvious #1 back at the pro level. Someone like Dwyer is more conventional fit.
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...50&start=50
I drafted Jahvid Best and Damian Williams onto my college dynasty team when they were high school seniors. I've watched both of them gradually go from underrated ---> overrated. Not every successful college player is going to be a star in the NFL. Even 30-40% of first round NFL draft picks fail. I like what Best offers as a player, but I think it's a stretch to assume he's going to be a great pro. I think there are 4-5 RBs in this class who project a little better.
We'll see what happens in 2009. There's a lot of football left to be played and the draft landscape will change considerably over the course of the next 10 months. My concerns with Best aren't performance related though. He's a small back and he has had trouble staying healthy even at the college level. We'll have to see how high he goes in the draft and how the team that picks him plans to use him. I don't think he's an obvious #1 back at the pro level. Someone like Dwyer is more conventional fit.
kremenull
Footballguy
That's great and all, I just don't have the time, or interest, to rate players out of high school for my dynasty endeavors. Way too much changes over that period of time, especially in football. Basketball is a lot more predictable, I believe. There are never any assurances in projecting players to be great, let alone good.....I just don't bet that often against elite talents. I'd rather bet the odds that they'll be at least good in the NFL than not much good. In Best, I see at least good, but hopefully, VERY good.....Somebody in the NFL had to make projections on, and draft, guys like Westbrook, Chris Johnson, Tiki, MJD, Joe Morris, Nap Kauffman, and other "smallish" backs....These guys turned out alright. Tony Dorsett wasn't the biggest, most physical RB either.....and he turned out just fine....in the HOF.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Jahvid Best has already missed 3 games in 2007 and 1 game in 2008 with injuries, I don't see any way this kid can hold up in the NFL, his legs are too skinny. He's had many good games but when he played USC which is the only defense close to what he'll face in the NFL he had 13 carries for 30 yards. This kid has bust written all over him, heck his name is almost bust. Maybe the kid will change my mind this year, if he can go uninjured for the season and put up good stats against USC I will change my tune.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Don't forget he would have an NFL quality offensive line as well.
offdee
Footballguy
Easiest $20 I'll ever make.(LaGarrett Blount is at 14)under the radar, Offdee
kremenull
Footballguy
And how many games has a big, tough guy like S-Jax missed over this same period? This info doesn't impact my thinking at all in terms of projecting players. The RB position is an injury-risk proposition, guys will get hurt, that's just the way it is. Often, injuries are of the unfortunate or "freak" nature, where nobody could see it coming, could happen to anyone. Now when Chris Johnson wussed out of a playoff game last year due to an ankle injury, did anyone say a peep about his durability? Toughness, maybe? There is no way that you let a sprained ankle keep you on the sidelines, without even giving it a try no less, in the biggest game of the season. I've sprained an ankle many times in my competitive basketball days, some even pretty severe, and one thing that I know for certain is that players can continue to play on an ankle simply off of adrenaline, as long as you keep the leg/ankle moving so that it doesn't stiffen up and allow the swelling to develop too much. Bottom line, the guy could have at least been on the field for awhile to at least be a decoy, if nothing else. Now this incident, IMO, speaks to toughness, which in my mind is way more critical than worrying about a potential injury. All guys get dinged here and there, so it matters a whole lot if they have the toughness to gut it out in these situations, and Best certainly exhibited a tremendous amount of toughness after injuring his elbow (that required offseason surgery, no less), and missing only the 1 game.
Donnybrook
Footballguy
I am already preparing for life after Favre. I don't think the Vikings will have the ammo to get one of the top 3 QBs. What do people think of Dan Lefevour?
Apparently Kiper loves him:http://sunsportsblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/mel-kips-loves-dan-lefevour.html
http://sunsportsblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/...n-lefevour.html
Apparently Kiper loves him:http://sunsportsblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/mel-kips-loves-dan-lefevour.html
http://sunsportsblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/...n-lefevour.html
EBF
Footballguy
For anyone interested, the Backyard Brawl II and III developmental drafts were held this weekend. Some of the prospects were already rostered because they were chosen last year and were thus unavailable in the draft.
Backyard Brawl II
Already Rostered: CJ Spiller, Stafon Johnson, DeMarco Murray, Keiland Williams
1.01 All Percy All the Time - WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State
1.02 Imaginos - WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois
1.03 Crenshaw Gangbangers - RB Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech
1.04 Broncofan - RB Jahvid Best, California
1.05 StwongBad - WR Damian Williams, USC
1.06 Gang Green - TE Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma
1.07 Go Team Go - RB LaGarrette Blount, Oregon
1.08 Broncofan - RB Darren Evans, Virginia Tech
1.09 W.C. Express - WR Brandon Lafell, LSU
1.10 Go Team Go - RB Charles Scott, LSU
1.11 Stwongbad - WR Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech
1.12 Wranglers - RB Evan Royster, Penn State
1.13 Purple Cobras - WR Dezmon Briscoe, Kansas
1.14 Go Team Go - RB Derrick Washington, Missouri
Backyard Brawl III
Already Rostered: CJ Spiller, Stafon Johnson, LaGarrette Blount, DeMarco Murray, Tim Tebow, Keiland Williams
1. West Coast Express - WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State
2. Go Team Go - RB Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech
3. WCE - WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois
4. Broncofan - RB Jahvid Best, California
5. EBF - WR Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati
6. Literally Possessed - QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
7. Timer Expired - RB Joe McKnight, USC
8. StwongBad - WR Damian Williams, USC
9. Victorious Secret - RB Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State
10. Crenshaw Gangbangers - RB Darren Evans, Virginia Tech
11. Victorious Secret - RB Evan Royster, Penn State
12. Broncofan - WR Brandon Lafell, LSU
13. GTG - RB Charles Scott, LSU
14. StwongBad - WR Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech
Some of the interesting notes:
- The same four players were chosen in the top four picks in both leagues. Bryant was the consensus #1 pick.
- Bradford, Gresham, Gilyard, Briscoe, Hunter, McKnight, and Washington were only chosen in one of the two leagues. I'm very surprised that Bradford and Gilyard only went in one league since they're virtual locks to be high draft picks next April. Even though I don't like Gresham, I'm surprised he only went in one league because he has a lot of early draft hype and this is a 1.5 PPR league for TEs.
Backyard Brawl II
Already Rostered: CJ Spiller, Stafon Johnson, DeMarco Murray, Keiland Williams
1.01 All Percy All the Time - WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State
1.02 Imaginos - WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois
1.03 Crenshaw Gangbangers - RB Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech
1.04 Broncofan - RB Jahvid Best, California
1.05 StwongBad - WR Damian Williams, USC
1.06 Gang Green - TE Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma
1.07 Go Team Go - RB LaGarrette Blount, Oregon
1.08 Broncofan - RB Darren Evans, Virginia Tech
1.09 W.C. Express - WR Brandon Lafell, LSU
1.10 Go Team Go - RB Charles Scott, LSU
1.11 Stwongbad - WR Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech
1.12 Wranglers - RB Evan Royster, Penn State
1.13 Purple Cobras - WR Dezmon Briscoe, Kansas
1.14 Go Team Go - RB Derrick Washington, Missouri
Backyard Brawl III
Already Rostered: CJ Spiller, Stafon Johnson, LaGarrette Blount, DeMarco Murray, Tim Tebow, Keiland Williams
1. West Coast Express - WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State
2. Go Team Go - RB Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech
3. WCE - WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois
4. Broncofan - RB Jahvid Best, California
5. EBF - WR Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati
6. Literally Possessed - QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma
7. Timer Expired - RB Joe McKnight, USC
8. StwongBad - WR Damian Williams, USC
9. Victorious Secret - RB Kendall Hunter, Oklahoma State
10. Crenshaw Gangbangers - RB Darren Evans, Virginia Tech
11. Victorious Secret - RB Evan Royster, Penn State
12. Broncofan - WR Brandon Lafell, LSU
13. GTG - RB Charles Scott, LSU
14. StwongBad - WR Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech
Some of the interesting notes:
- The same four players were chosen in the top four picks in both leagues. Bryant was the consensus #1 pick.
- Bradford, Gresham, Gilyard, Briscoe, Hunter, McKnight, and Washington were only chosen in one of the two leagues. I'm very surprised that Bradford and Gilyard only went in one league since they're virtual locks to be high draft picks next April. Even though I don't like Gresham, I'm surprised he only went in one league because he has a lot of early draft hype and this is a 1.5 PPR league for TEs.
ptsteelers
Footballguy
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EBF
Footballguy
I know I'm talking to myself here, but I'm an NFL draft junkie. When I was preparing for my developmental draft I took a harder look at many of the 2010 prospects and came away with some impressions.
OVERRATED
RB LaGarrette Blount, Oregon - Blount had gaudy stats last year and is an impressive specimen on paper. He's athletic for his size and he has good straight line speed, but I tend to favor more compact backs with better change of direction skills. Blount occasionally flashes some ability in this department, but at other times he just looks like a big tall guy with limited footwork. Elusiveness is critical in the NFL and if he isn't able to avoid contact then he won't be successful at the next level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcL5WdSEAcE
WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois - Benn was considered one of the top recruits in the country as a high school senior. He's been a good player for Illinois and there are many onlookers who think he's one of the premier talents in the country. As of right now I'm not one of those people. Benn is a physical specimen who certainly looks the part of a starting NFL WR, but from what I've seen he doesn't play with great suddenness or burst. I'll be keeping a close eye on Benn this season to see if he can justify the hype. At the moment I think he's a bit overrated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_fQ6AwW_Nk
WR Brandon LaFell, LSU - LaFell is another player whose early hype is a bit puzzling to me. Most pundits have him ranked as the top senior WR in college football, but he doesn't stand out to me as an exceptional talent. Though he has good straight line speed and size, LaFell is not a true burner with great route running skills nor is he an overpowering possession WR who will punish defenders and pick up yards after the catch. For someone with so much hype, LaFell's game is pretty vanilla. From what I can tell he's closer to Buster Davis than he is to Dwayne Bowe. I'll re-evaluate him before the 2010 draft, but right now I'm not impressed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpLLlAGHGns
WR Damian Williams, USC - I liked Williams out of high school and I have to give him credit for his breakout season at USC, but I don't think he's a strong pro prospect. He's not big enough to be a possession WR and although he has good vertical speed and burst, I don't know if he's ever going to be a good route runner. I think he's a bit of a tweener.
EARLY TOP 12
1. WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State - Lacks burner speed, but hyper athletic with great size. A better Dwayne Bowe.
2. RB Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech - Nice combination of size, speed, and elusiveness. Looks like a late first round talent.
3. RB CJ Spiller, Clemson - Jaw-dropping speed and athleticism. Questionable instincts. Needs to prove he can carry the load.
4. RB Jahvid Best, Cal - Dynamic athleticism and skill. Size and durability are major question marks. Warrick Dunn or Leon Washington?
5. WR Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati - Productive player with great combination of instincts and physical ability. Second coming of Santonio Holmes.
6. RB Stafon Johnson, USC - Not a flashy back who makes highlight reel runs, but versatile 215 pounder with NFL starter potential.
7. QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma - Bradford shows some signs of greatness. Then again, QBs are always a crapshoot.
8. WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois - Production and pedigree are hard to ignore. Needs to show me more burst next season.
9. WR Damian Williams, USC - Dominates his competition. I'm not quite sure how his game translate to the NFL.
10. RB LaGarrette Blount, Oregon - Legit talent or fool's gold? Hard to say. Upside is intriguing if he pans out.
11. WR Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech - Hard to evaluate because he's never targeted. Intriguing tools. Needs to show some burst and route running.
12. RB Darren Evans, Virginia Tech - Productive in a major conference. Might not have the physical ability for the next level.
This list will change drastically over the course of the next 8 months, but it's a fun starting point.
OVERRATED
RB LaGarrette Blount, Oregon - Blount had gaudy stats last year and is an impressive specimen on paper. He's athletic for his size and he has good straight line speed, but I tend to favor more compact backs with better change of direction skills. Blount occasionally flashes some ability in this department, but at other times he just looks like a big tall guy with limited footwork. Elusiveness is critical in the NFL and if he isn't able to avoid contact then he won't be successful at the next level.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcL5WdSEAcE
WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois - Benn was considered one of the top recruits in the country as a high school senior. He's been a good player for Illinois and there are many onlookers who think he's one of the premier talents in the country. As of right now I'm not one of those people. Benn is a physical specimen who certainly looks the part of a starting NFL WR, but from what I've seen he doesn't play with great suddenness or burst. I'll be keeping a close eye on Benn this season to see if he can justify the hype. At the moment I think he's a bit overrated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_fQ6AwW_Nk
WR Brandon LaFell, LSU - LaFell is another player whose early hype is a bit puzzling to me. Most pundits have him ranked as the top senior WR in college football, but he doesn't stand out to me as an exceptional talent. Though he has good straight line speed and size, LaFell is not a true burner with great route running skills nor is he an overpowering possession WR who will punish defenders and pick up yards after the catch. For someone with so much hype, LaFell's game is pretty vanilla. From what I can tell he's closer to Buster Davis than he is to Dwayne Bowe. I'll re-evaluate him before the 2010 draft, but right now I'm not impressed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpLLlAGHGns
WR Damian Williams, USC - I liked Williams out of high school and I have to give him credit for his breakout season at USC, but I don't think he's a strong pro prospect. He's not big enough to be a possession WR and although he has good vertical speed and burst, I don't know if he's ever going to be a good route runner. I think he's a bit of a tweener.
EARLY TOP 12
1. WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State - Lacks burner speed, but hyper athletic with great size. A better Dwayne Bowe.
2. RB Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech - Nice combination of size, speed, and elusiveness. Looks like a late first round talent.
3. RB CJ Spiller, Clemson - Jaw-dropping speed and athleticism. Questionable instincts. Needs to prove he can carry the load.
4. RB Jahvid Best, Cal - Dynamic athleticism and skill. Size and durability are major question marks. Warrick Dunn or Leon Washington?
5. WR Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati - Productive player with great combination of instincts and physical ability. Second coming of Santonio Holmes.
6. RB Stafon Johnson, USC - Not a flashy back who makes highlight reel runs, but versatile 215 pounder with NFL starter potential.
7. QB Sam Bradford, Oklahoma - Bradford shows some signs of greatness. Then again, QBs are always a crapshoot.
8. WR Arrelious Benn, Illinois - Production and pedigree are hard to ignore. Needs to show me more burst next season.
9. WR Damian Williams, USC - Dominates his competition. I'm not quite sure how his game translate to the NFL.
10. RB LaGarrette Blount, Oregon - Legit talent or fool's gold? Hard to say. Upside is intriguing if he pans out.
11. WR Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech - Hard to evaluate because he's never targeted. Intriguing tools. Needs to show some burst and route running.
12. RB Darren Evans, Virginia Tech - Productive in a major conference. Might not have the physical ability for the next level.
This list will change drastically over the course of the next 8 months, but it's a fun starting point.
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I took him in two of my drafts this weekend. Very underrated. If he were in a run and shoot offense, we'd be talking about him in the top 3 WRs.39 catches of 70 passes for Gtech. Unreal that the team only threw 70 times. They're saying that they will throw more this season. If they do, I really think he'll start climbing the charts.
EBF
Footballguy
Yea, I would've looked at him hard in BYB3 if Gilyard had been gone at my pick. It's a shame he plays in that run-first offense because he appears to be a pretty promising prospect. I'll try to catch some of his games this year and focus on him. He definitely has an NFL frame. I want to see how fluid and explosive he is running routes. That's my main concern with him at this point.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I'll go ahead and tout my homer suggestions again:
Two players to watch out for:
RB Roy Helu Jr (JR) 6' 230lbs
2008 stats
125 att 803 yds 6.4 avg 7 TD
25 rec 266 yds
He didn't get the starting gig until near the end of the season. Has excellent lateral quickness but needs to improve his long speed and power in 2009. He added 15 lbs this offseason (from 215 to 230) and reportedly ran not only a faster 40 yard dash in spring drills, but was one of the fastest players on the team (Rumors were a 4.25, but I don't buy that for an instant. Does go to show that he is apparently showing some speed, though.) He's a hard worker and has no character issues.
There's some good runs against Oklahoma from 2008 halfway through this video:
Two players to watch out for:
RB Roy Helu Jr (JR) 6' 230lbs
2008 stats
125 att 803 yds 6.4 avg 7 TD
25 rec 266 yds
He didn't get the starting gig until near the end of the season. Has excellent lateral quickness but needs to improve his long speed and power in 2009. He added 15 lbs this offseason (from 215 to 230) and reportedly ran not only a faster 40 yard dash in spring drills, but was one of the fastest players on the team (Rumors were a 4.25, but I don't buy that for an instant. Does go to show that he is apparently showing some speed, though.) He's a hard worker and has no character issues.
There's some good runs against Oklahoma from 2008 halfway through this video:
kremenull
Footballguy
No way should Gresham go undrafted in the 1st Rd with 1.5 PPR.......Best TE prospect in the last dozen or so years....that's right, since Tony G!A legit 6'6" 260 athlete who can motor......and has the frame to block as well....How is everyone in the league asleep on this?
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EBF
Footballguy
To each his own. Gresham wasn't high on my board at all. I think he's the beneficiary of a friendly system. I don't think he's a great pro prospect.
kremenull
Footballguy
This analysis is almost hysterical....I'm sorry EBF, and I don't mean to poke fun at you here, but c'mon man, open your eyes here. You say that Gresham is a big, lumbering target who doesn't show good lateral agility nor burst and then proceed to post a link that absolutely dispels about everything you said in your analysis.......This kid has tremendous athleticism, including agility (sidestepping several would-be tacklers in the vid as well as pulling away from guys in traffic, i.e, burst), especially for a big guy, remember, this is 6'5" or greater and 260 lbs.....In the video, do you not see him getting separation easily on LBs, as well as DBs, and catching very smoothly with his hands + piling up major RAC?......We can mark this one down right now.....Gresham is a CAN'T MISS STAR in the NFL...not just a Pro Bowler, but ALL-PRO...
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