facook
Footballguy
Was kind of hoping they'd take a chance on Myron Rolle in the 6th. Be a good addition to the locker room if nothing else.
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**2010 San Francisco 49ers Offseason Thread** (1 Viewer)
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Nickleback
Footballguy
chinawildman
Footballguy
Hmm, this draft was almost Raider-ish, but nice overall and left me with a good feeling. Looks like no more excuses for Smith this year. Same coordinator, weapons all around, stud lineman, and stout defense. If his performance isn't in line with the top third of the QBs this year, then he'll never be more than just a career backup.
derek19
Footballguy
Oh god. 25 mil waste.
derek19
Footballguy
Twilight
Footballguy
that sucks...I think my employer will be happy since I won't be checking is site every hour. wonder where he'll end up, unless i missed it while speed reading.
Nickleback
Footballguy
Maiocco is not the only one to bid farewell today...
LeGarrett Blount talked to Singletary and has decided to sign with the Titans instead!!
He said he likes his chances better there; in his defense - he's right he can step in and fill the LenDale White void very nicely!
This helps Gore's value as well I think Blount would have vultured many TD's from Gore...
LeGarrett Blount talked to Singletary and has decided to sign with the Titans instead!!
He said he likes his chances better there; in his defense - he's right he can step in and fill the LenDale White void very nicely!
This helps Gore's value as well I think Blount would have vultured many TD's from Gore...
not a big deal really...coffee/dixon/blount was a cluster of the same type of back.
derek19
Footballguy
Per MB's twitter, he stated MM won 't be going far. Theres a rumor on the webzone that MM will still be covering the 49ers but for ESPNsf.
May 3rd we will know. I hope he's still covering the niners. He's the reason why i got on twitter.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I doubt they will go too run heavy. Addressing the oline is as much in the interest of the passing game as it is for the run game.My concern with the niners is their super-conservative game management philosophy. It seems whenever they're up by like a FG the playcalling changes as if they're up by 3 TDs. Run Run Run punt. Playing not to lose is not the way to go.
n20
Footballguy
I don't. I think they'll be able to run to set up the pass like they've wanted to under Singletary.Threat of a physical run game, very good receiving options both outside and inside, more time to throw the ball due to line upgrades and more TOP due to an improved defense ... I expect our passing offense to improve a notch or two (maybe 11th best in the league?) while we rely on a dominant ground game as our bread and butter.
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pettifogger
Footballguy
Thanks for the Taylor Mays intro video -- here are
Singletary's comments on the draft overall
http://www.49ers.com/media-gallery/videos/...7b-39ea8b8c633c
Singletary's comments on the draft overall
http://www.49ers.com/media-gallery/videos/...7b-39ea8b8c633c
derek19
Footballguy
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
:confetti:
looks like locking up Vernon is next and then Goldson. I think A. Smith, Manny, Franklin, and Baas are gonna have this season to prove their worth before they see any extensions.
Also, reading some other 9ers news it sounds like Baas might have more value than I previously thought...he could be a great asset if he has the ability to play both guards and center.
Guard. You might say the true competition is at left guard where David Baas will try to hold off first-round draft pick Mike Iupati. But if Iupati were to supplant Baas - and I fully expect he will - you have to wonder about the repercussions. First let's talk about Iupati. Both acting GM Trent Baalke and offensive line coach Mike Solari described Iupati as special, the type of guard who only comes along every few years. Iupati is massive, he moves that bulk like a man who weighs 250 pounds and he's comfortable at left guard. All that seems like a very bad omen for Baas, a former 33rd overall pick who had trouble cracking the starting lineup when he first arrived with the 49ers and who has dealt with injuries in recent years. Baas also is playing on a one-year contract.
But if Baas is dislodged, it might put pressure on two other positions. (This is what Jimmy Raye was anticipating when he said that intra-squad competition breeds success). Baas also has played right guard in the NFL and center in college. The 49ers fully expect Chilo Rachal to blossom in his third year, but he was inconsistent last year. Having Baas on the bench puts more pressure on Rachal. It also will be interesting to see whether Baas snaps the ball this offseason. He played center - and played well - his senior season at Michigan. Eric Heitmann is the unquestioned starter at center. But there are question marks about his backup, Cody Wallace.
Meanwhile, here's what Rachal recently told 49ers.com about his mindset this season: "It's more serious now, because I know what to do and now I just have to do it versus last year. In the beginning, I wasn't playing at a high level but towards the end I picked it up and started playing good ball. I just have to use what I did at the end of last season to continue to get better and not have the same season this year. I want to make last year my worst season."
Also, reading some other 9ers news it sounds like Baas might have more value than I previously thought...he could be a great asset if he has the ability to play both guards and center.
Guard. You might say the true competition is at left guard where David Baas will try to hold off first-round draft pick Mike Iupati. But if Iupati were to supplant Baas - and I fully expect he will - you have to wonder about the repercussions. First let's talk about Iupati. Both acting GM Trent Baalke and offensive line coach Mike Solari described Iupati as special, the type of guard who only comes along every few years. Iupati is massive, he moves that bulk like a man who weighs 250 pounds and he's comfortable at left guard. All that seems like a very bad omen for Baas, a former 33rd overall pick who had trouble cracking the starting lineup when he first arrived with the 49ers and who has dealt with injuries in recent years. Baas also is playing on a one-year contract.
But if Baas is dislodged, it might put pressure on two other positions. (This is what Jimmy Raye was anticipating when he said that intra-squad competition breeds success). Baas also has played right guard in the NFL and center in college. The 49ers fully expect Chilo Rachal to blossom in his third year, but he was inconsistent last year. Having Baas on the bench puts more pressure on Rachal. It also will be interesting to see whether Baas snaps the ball this offseason. He played center - and played well - his senior season at Michigan. Eric Heitmann is the unquestioned starter at center. But there are question marks about his backup, Cody Wallace.
Meanwhile, here's what Rachal recently told 49ers.com about his mindset this season: "It's more serious now, because I know what to do and now I just have to do it versus last year. In the beginning, I wasn't playing at a high level but towards the end I picked it up and started playing good ball. I just have to use what I did at the end of last season to continue to get better and not have the same season this year. I want to make last year my worst season."
9ers have some tough choices to make and maybe even tougher contracts to work out...wonder what they will do? I definately see them signing V.D. and Goldson. I could see Hill and Morgan being let go, if their $ wanted gets too high especially if they have V.D. and Crabs locked up. They can run that 2 TE setup and then they could fill in someone opposite Crabs (Ginn maybe?). I think A. Smith and Manny will have to wait and see how they play this year...same with A. Franklin who isn't listed for some reason. 2011, I can see them keeping Rachal for sure if he matures this year. I'd hate to see them lose Frankie, but RBs just get abused...not sure how much they'd have to spend on him and he's getting close to 30.
So happy about the PWillis extension.
This is from Matt Barrows:
Key Niners signed through 2010:
TE Vernon Davis
S Dashon Goldson
WR Jason Hill
LB Manny Lawson
QB Alex Smith
Signed through 2011
RB Frank Gore
C Eric Heitmann
WR Josh Morgan
K Joe Nedney
G Chilo Rachal
So happy about the PWillis extension.
This is from Matt Barrows:
Key Niners signed through 2010:
TE Vernon Davis
S Dashon Goldson
WR Jason Hill
LB Manny Lawson
QB Alex Smith
Signed through 2011
RB Frank Gore
C Eric Heitmann
WR Josh Morgan
K Joe Nedney
G Chilo Rachal
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FavreCo
Footballguy
While explaining the challenge of retaining information in the heat of battle, 49ers offensive coordinator Jimmy Raye delivered another of his famous malapropisms. "What happens when Joey Porter is coming at you? Or Manny Lawson? Or Paris Hilton?" Think he meant LB Parys Haralson?
Good offseason recap.
Of note: Singletary disapointed with Nate Davis (although probably not justified in so feeling).
Also, note to whoever runs the FBG's 49ers page: Anthony Davis is a RT, not a LT.
Of note: Singletary disapointed with Nate Davis (although probably not justified in so feeling).
Also, note to whoever runs the FBG's 49ers page: Anthony Davis is a RT, not a LT.
5Rings
Lurker
Bill Walsh, the only San Francisco 49ers head coach of any significance, used to have a saying about Steve DeBerg, his starting quarterback before Joe Montana took over the reins for good halfway through the 1980 season.
DeBerg, he said, was “just good enough to get you beat.”
He wouldn’t ever embarrass you. He wouldn’t get you blown out. However, DeBerg had this maddening way of playing up or down to his level of competition, and always making a critical mistake, whether it be an interception, a fumble, or a more innocuous screw-up like a bad read or a poor throw to a wide open receiver.
By hook or by crook, the guy just found a way to lose, and eventually he sapped the confidence of the team around him as well. Walsh went 2-14 with DeBerg in 1979 and finally gave him the hook for good when Montana was ready.
Alex Smith is our Steve DeBerg
DeBerg, he said, was “just good enough to get you beat.”
He wouldn’t ever embarrass you. He wouldn’t get you blown out. However, DeBerg had this maddening way of playing up or down to his level of competition, and always making a critical mistake, whether it be an interception, a fumble, or a more innocuous screw-up like a bad read or a poor throw to a wide open receiver.
By hook or by crook, the guy just found a way to lose, and eventually he sapped the confidence of the team around him as well. Walsh went 2-14 with DeBerg in 1979 and finally gave him the hook for good when Montana was ready.
Alex Smith is our Steve DeBerg
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except alex costs a lot moreBill Walsh, the only San Francisco 49ers head coach of any significance, used to have a saying about Steve DeBerg, his starting quarterback before Joe Montana took over the reins for good halfway through the 1980 season.
DeBerg, he said, was “just good enough to get you beat.”
He wouldn’t ever embarrass you. He wouldn’t get you blown out. However, DeBerg had this maddening way of playing up or down to his level of competition, and always making a critical mistake, whether it be an interception, a fumble, or a more innocuous screw-up like a bad read or a poor throw to a wide open receiver.
By hook or by crook, the guy just found a way to lose, and eventually he sapped the confidence of the team around him as well. Walsh went 2-14 with DeBerg in 1979 and finally gave him the hook for good when Montana was ready.
Alex Smith is our Steve DeBerg
CalBear
Footballguy
...and you don't have a strong leader like Bill Walsh to get rid of him.More specifically, the leadership has been so invested in their decision to pick Smith #1 overall that they have actively avoided putting any QB on the roster who could challenge him for playing time.except alex costs a lot moreBill Walsh, the only San Francisco 49ers head coach of any significance, used to have a saying about Steve DeBerg, his starting quarterback before Joe Montana took over the reins for good halfway through the 1980 season.
DeBerg, he said, was “just good enough to get you beat.”
He wouldn’t ever embarrass you. He wouldn’t get you blown out. However, DeBerg had this maddening way of playing up or down to his level of competition, and always making a critical mistake, whether it be an interception, a fumble, or a more innocuous screw-up like a bad read or a poor throw to a wide open receiver.
By hook or by crook, the guy just found a way to lose, and eventually he sapped the confidence of the team around him as well. Walsh went 2-14 with DeBerg in 1979 and finally gave him the hook for good when Montana was ready.
Alex Smith is our Steve DeBerg
...and you don't have a strong leader like Bill Walsh to get rid of him.More specifically, the leadership has been so invested in their decision to pick Smith #1 overall that they have actively avoided putting any QB on the roster who could challenge him for playing time.except alex costs a lot moreBill Walsh, the only San Francisco 49ers head coach of any significance, used to have a saying about Steve DeBerg, his starting quarterback before Joe Montana took over the reins for good halfway through the 1980 season.
DeBerg, he said, was “just good enough to get you beat.”
He wouldn’t ever embarrass you. He wouldn’t get you blown out. However, DeBerg had this maddening way of playing up or down to his level of competition, and always making a critical mistake, whether it be an interception, a fumble, or a more innocuous screw-up like a bad read or a poor throw to a wide open receiver.
By hook or by crook, the guy just found a way to lose, and eventually he sapped the confidence of the team around him as well. Walsh went 2-14 with DeBerg in 1979 and finally gave him the hook for good when Montana was ready.
Alex Smith is our Steve DeBerg
The team is pathetic from top to bottom. A coach that can only produce one liners and drop his pants occasionally, an offense that is brutally uncreative, a qb that stinks but somehow is still starting after 5 years, a d that can't get it together and an oline that is full of 1st and 2nd round picks that can't blockSlevin Kelevra
Footballguy
You forgot the 2 real killers: Denise DeBartolo e John York
Yesterday was a low point for me as a fan. No team should lose a game like that, not even the Bills .. although they would because they're the BillsBill Walsh, the only San Francisco 49ers head coach of any significance, used to have a saying about Steve DeBerg, his starting quarterback before Joe Montana took over the reins for good halfway through the 1980 season.
DeBerg, he said, was “just good enough to get you beat.”
He wouldn’t ever embarrass you. He wouldn’t get you blown out. However, DeBerg had this maddening way of playing up or down to his level of competition, and always making a critical mistake, whether it be an interception, a fumble, or a more innocuous screw-up like a bad read or a poor throw to a wide open receiver.
By hook or by crook, the guy just found a way to lose, and eventually he sapped the confidence of the team around him as well. Walsh went 2-14 with DeBerg in 1979 and finally gave him the hook for good when Montana was ready.
Alex Smith is our Steve DeBerg
I think as of yesterday Alex Smith has run out of excuses, and the longer he is starting, the longer we're content to wallow in mediocrity. I understand that Singletary does not believe Nate Davis is consistent enough to fit into his system, but (1) Smith is not a consistent QB, either, and (2) at least Nate Davis (from what I've seen in preseason) has the audacity to strive for greatness on the field.Basically I'm not sure I can take watching Alex Smith play anymore. It's like watching Riley QB for Cal. Too frustrating.
CalBear
Footballguy
Amen to that. Although Smith is better than Riley; Riley can't even claim mediocrity.
It looks like there will not be a QB change unless the season is a lost cause. Even then, I doubt Sing will do it unless he feels his own job is threatened.
Check out the bolded below for a chuckle
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010...ear-is-himself/
Check out the bolded below for a chuckle
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2010...ear-is-himself/
CalBear
Footballguy
Note that Singletary said that Jimmy Raye's job was safe, the day before Raye was fired. He either is not running the ship, is full of crap, or both.
This week they get a vulnerable Eagles team at home. If the Niners win, they'll get a pass for a couple more weeks. If they lose, it'll set up the Raiders game as doomsday for Smith and/or Singletary. If the Niners go to 0-6, ending in a loss against the hapless franchise across the bay, there will be a change at QB and probably at head coach. If they win against the Eagles and/or the Raiders, Smith will make it through to the bye week (9), possibly to be replaced against the Rams in week 10.
This week they get a vulnerable Eagles team at home. If the Niners win, they'll get a pass for a couple more weeks. If they lose, it'll set up the Raiders game as doomsday for Smith and/or Singletary. If the Niners go to 0-6, ending in a loss against the hapless franchise across the bay, there will be a change at QB and probably at head coach. If they win against the Eagles and/or the Raiders, Smith will make it through to the bye week (9), possibly to be replaced against the Rams in week 10.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I really want to see Nate Davis get on the field. Similar to Gradkowski across the bay, the team just seemed to have a spark when he was on the field. Preseason or not, I want Davis to get at least one game this year.
What's the worst that could happen - the Niners lose by a few touchdowns more? A loss is a loss...at least see if he can flash something we've seen Alex Smith can't offer.
I really sucks being a fan of this team with the crappy owners.
ETA - I'm still furious they didn't make a move for McNabb. With Donovan at the helm SF would be a legitimate contender...
What's the worst that could happen - the Niners lose by a few touchdowns more? A loss is a loss...at least see if he can flash something we've seen Alex Smith can't offer.
I really sucks being a fan of this team with the crappy owners.
ETA - I'm still furious they didn't make a move for McNabb. With Donovan at the helm SF would be a legitimate contender...
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Agree with all the hate in here so far. If you want to be an optimist, though, the schedule is about to get really easy after the Eagles game. If Singletary hasn't completely lost this team (and for the record, I think he has), they might be able to rally in the second half. It's a shame, because the rest of the division is far worse than even I anticipated (I'm looking at you, Arizona).
At least SF put one team in the postseason this year...
At least SF put one team in the postseason this year...
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I remember all the people piling on the Titans about this time last year. By the end of the year nobody wanted to see TEN make the playoffs. SF is in a much better division to catch from behind than TEN was last year. Just sayin'.... it's a long season. I'll admit I'm a Singletary fan though. Always will be.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Gotta agree here. Niners have always been a bad road team... So with 3 on the road and the one home game against the champs it's not a complete shock that they're 0-4. The 2 "blowouts" they were very much in the game at halftime in both until implosions in the 2nd half due to inept offense and the defense finally just couldn't sustain anymore... Last week should have been a win, but then again you could've said the same thing about the saints game.With 5 of the next 6 at home against mediocre competition, it's very possible for them to be back within .500 by the bye week. The niners are a streaky team and with the home/away games setup the way it is, it's even more exaggerated this yr...
5Rings
Lurker
Call me Jed York, but even with DeBerg at QB, I gotta agree here....
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Can we get the OP to change this to the in season thread?
Anyhow, there were reports the Yorks wanted to hire Holmgren before going with Singletary this year.
There are now new reports they'll go after Holmgren in the offseason.
Anyhow, there were reports the Yorks wanted to hire Holmgren before going with Singletary this year.
There are now new reports they'll go after Holmgren in the offseason.
