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Too bad... if Tommie returned to form then that DL would easily be one of the best... if not the best... in the league. With Peppers on the edge and a dominant Harris in the middle, opposing OL's would be screwed.Looks like Tommie Harris finally got released. It's a shame he couldn't return to his early career form. He could've been something special.
Wow what does this guy have to do to earn the back up QB job? I don't understand Martz's disdain for Hanie, I'd say he earned the job based on playoff performance alone, but he has looked alright in other game action as well. I believe this will be only his 3rd year in the league, he seems like the ideal back up, but leave it to the Bears to bring in another veteran re-tread to back up Cutler.Also, with the release of Harris it looks like the Bears main priorities come draft day will be OL and DL. Tempting as it might be to take a big WR, we need a lot of help on both lines.
Hell if I know. The analysts didn't even bring him up.
Honest mistake or not, without even a token effort to make amends for the mistake, I would stay away from dealing with the Bears on trade day from now on under the Angelo regime. I am not sure which is worse; you intentionally try to screw a team over or that you are so inept that you screw them over.
Paea was a very good pick. Not sure that I would have gone D in both the 2nd and 3rd. That O-line needs much more help than Carimi if you want to see Cutler live past the season.
Meh, that's what dumb, emotional or bear hater fans say. If bears want to trade cutler or julius peppers teams will call/talk/listen/and trade.the problem is the NFL here, they need a better system in place to make trades.sure Jerry is a boob and he stick his foot in his mouth. but all teams want to get better, and they all talk. this is indecent is nothing compared to other stuff that teams do to get an edge.
wat. It was a bad pick and everyone knows it. How about a CB: Richard Sherman, Brandon Burton, Curtis Brown. OG Clint Boling. We didn't need another freaking safety. Horrible ignorant pick on a guy who has played safety one year during his entire career. This guy, if he even makes the team, will end up like Iglesias.
Sure, give me a trade outside of the draft where I don't need you to do a simple thing like make a phone call. If I can't rely on you to do that in the draft as time is ticking, then I am going to be very reluctant to do business with you- and even more so when you just shrug your shoulders and say 'ooops'.
So, the last three fall under Angelo's watch. Seems like there is a consistent lack of quality control in the front office. It is prob a mirror of the Chicago politics nepotism. Hire all your friends and family, or people willing to pay you, to jobs no matter how incompetent that are.
I think Carimi is far from being a done deal but Tice has proven he can make gold out of lead, so I have fairly good expectations for him. What made it a good pick was that the Bears HAD to go O-line. Paea was a great value pick and filled an important need. They have sorely needed a presence in the middle since Harris stopped playing well. Paea looks like a good prospect that may develop into taking some attention off of Peppers. Now, Conte, I do not know the lad but the pick seems like a poor one to me. From everything I have seen, it certainly seems like Conte has his own question marks. But, since you passed on taking another O-lineman to take Paea (a good decision) how do you not take a O-line there unless you have another "Can't pass up" prospect at that position. Conte seems far from a "Can't pass up" selection. Seems like a poor one to me.
yeah that's close. its a team who the main boss is a real old lady, 88 years old. I think I heard on the radio a while back when she passes away, her kids will have a hard time keeping the bears because they will not be able to afford the inheritance tax, as they don't have any other forms of income, just the bears.
So Angelo blows a third round pick on a special teams player. Now they pick a QB. Has Angelo watched this team at all? What could the Bears have used instead of a QB? Let's see, OT, OG, LB, CB, TE, RB, or WR, that's all. Angelo did well in the first two picks, but the last two were asinine. It would be really nice to be happy with an entire draft for once. I felt they needed to bring in three offensive linemen. The two primary needs were OL and DL. They addressed those, but they only had three additional picks, after the trade up to get Paea. You don't have many picks to address your needs and you waste two on a special teams player and a back up QB. That puts a lot of pressure on getting free agents to fill those other holes.'flapgreen said:
You Bear fans better pray to God, Allah, Gaia, Coach Ditka.... and anyone else you can think of that you pick up some vet FA's for the O-line because Cutler is not going to survive another year with that line and the Martz system. Tice's herculean efforts can only do so much with that group of players. Just your division opponents are likely going to kill him. The Lions have what looks like a potentially monster D-line, the Vikings still have a very good D-line and the Packers can get at you with their LB's. Maybe that is what they figured they needed a new young QB. Once Cutler gets hurt and Hanie gets chased to death- they will need young blood to throw to the Lions. (pun intended)
they are saying this was a martz pick. but Mike Martz also really wanted Todd Collins last year, so.....but on the other hand Martz was able to develop Kurt Warner when he was an unknown commodity. He took Bulger from a 6th round pick to the Pro BowlQB Nathan Enderle: 62 TDs, 53 INTs, 55.1 percent completion pct in 4 years at Idaho.'flapgreen said:
I couldn't agree more. I felt that they needed at least three o-linemen added to the mix between the draft and free agency. The Cramini pick was a good start, but I wouldn't have minded them taking two more OL prospects in their final three picks. Tice did an unbelievable job with what he had last year. But it is unreasonable to expect him to do it again this year without getting him some help. But they need more than Cramini, no doubt.
The bears line at the end of last year was far from great, but it also wasn't nearly as bad as it was at the beginning of the year. They have (perhaps) the best OL coach alive and just added a very good lineman in Carimi. There are also several free agents that are capable of contributiing.Do I think that the o-line will be great next year? Nope. Do I think it will be the line that watched the Giants kill Cutler last year? Not at all. I think Tice will continue to develop what he has and turn them into a decent line.As far as the 3rd and 5th round picks...I'd like to give Angelo the benefit of the doubt since he tends to do well in mid round picks, but these just look dumb...
You can't give him the benefit of the doubt with the QB. No reason whatsoever for picking a QB. They have there franchise QB. Why do they need a developemental QB? Just a waste of a pick just like Lefevour last year. Just dumb. Angelo can't draft as it is, wasting picks isn't very smart.
the QB was a martz pick not an angelo pick while LeFevour was an angelo pick last year
No kidding. Somebody is looking for the next Plank/Fencik and trying way too hard.
To get on the bright side a little, I Do like cutler a great deal. I think the people talking about he should have played are just preposterous, and I think he is a tough, talented quarterback, who has the skill set you need to get to the superbowl. In that one particular position, I think the bears are set for a decade. ANd I love that. But in the short term, the bears have no quality receivers, a porous offensive line, and a defense that's about ready to qualify for social security. I think the bears are, like many teams in this league of parity, essentially an 8-8 team. They got a couple bad breaks in 2009 and finished 7-9. They won a couple close games and got a couple breaks in 2010 and finished 11-5. They were extremely lucky to play a weak seattle team in the divisional round to get to the NFC championship. I do not think their performance last year should be considered sustainable. I think many, many teams in the NFL can do similar things, from year to year. I do not think they have the team, yet, to sustain a 5 year window of championship contention. I think with the lion's corp of young talent, they are much closer to that goal.
Yea, I am not seeing the doom and gloom just from what looks like a couple of bad draft picks and a massive brain dead move from the front office. As long as Cutler stays healthy then they will be a force. That being said, it will be tough. The Packers will have a bunch of good players that they did not have when they went on their SB winning run last year, the Lions are clearly getting better and all the Vikes will need is to find a QB to be a real threat (and it seems almost a done deal that McNabb will find his way there). As I said earlier, each team has a fierce pass rush and the talent on that line is not there. Carimi will help and Tice does a GREAT job for what he has to work with- but I would not feel comfortable with those guys. I think the first two picks were brilliant moves, it just looks like the front office decided they put in their full days worth of work and went home after that. Overall, it looks like a C+ draft in my view.
yes, Martz was in charge of that pick not Angelo. you cant dispute that, that's a fact. your point was that Angelo cant pick QB's and this is another one. unfortunately this was not an Angelo pick, you point is invalid.I dont think Angelo is good at drafting QBs, but 6% of the starters in the NFL are Angelo picks, Orton & Grossman. and if you add him trading for cutler now were saying 9% of NFL starters are guys Angelo acquired either via trade or draft.now about the other point if the bears need a QB. you always have to make sure you have a QB. in fact the bears dont have a #2 guy that can play 6 games and keep this team 3-3 hopefully 4-2. the bears are extremely lucky to have one of the toughest QBs in the league getting sacked 56+ times last year and playing all 16 games. the patriots had a QB, drew bledsoe they did not need to take a QB, but that worked out real well. when you look you will see a long list of teams that have real good QBs keep on drafting QBs. point is good teams always look for QBs, you never know what will happen.
The bears have a ton of other needs besides QB. QB is the last postition they should have drafted. Old defense, crappy O-Line, servicable #3 wr's. I don't care who made the pick. The point is that it is a wasted draft pick. Angelo is dumber than I thought. Martz turned down an extension, so he has one year left on his deal. So let's draft a guy he wants so he can have him for 1 year? The pick makes no sense. How about a G/C? The bears need one of those? Happy with the 1st two picks. Don't know much about Conte, so we'll see.
