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2011 offseason dynasty trades (2 Viewers)
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healthpellets
Footballguy
12 team full ppr
1/2/2/1 2 RB/WR flex
team A got: 1.7, 1.9, 2.9
team B got: Colston, 1.12, 3.1
1/2/2/1 2 RB/WR flex
team A got: 1.7, 1.9, 2.9
team B got: Colston, 1.12, 3.1
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Yea I don't like that one at all.
healthpellets
Footballguy
Team A.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Team A has a really inflated value of Rice and Spiller. They are giving the best two players in the deal.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Not sure why Team A would make that trade - only real upgrade is at WR (at the expense of big downgrades at QB and RB) and that WR carries some risk, since the word is that his hip is still causing him pain.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Not good for A at all.
healthpellets
Footballguy
Not knowing the particular situation, it looks like things i've seen in a couple of my leagues where a new guy comes in without the requisite dynasty league experience and starts "getting younger" whether he needs to or not and doesn't realize the full value of a player like JStew (and we can argue in a different thread about his true value, but his market value in some leagues is tremendously high) so he sells him as a part of a package because last year was a down year.But hey, who knows. Great redraft players sometimes don't have a dynasty clue.
Poppa
Footballguy
MOX league - 14 teams, non-PPR, Start QB / 2RB / 2WR / 2Flex (RB,WR or TE)
Took over a club 6 weeks ago - wanted to make it 'my own'...
Started with:
Manning
Kolb
J. Johnson
Peterson
Best
Turner
Snelling
DeSean Jackson
Nicks
Rice
M. Williams (TB)
M. Thomas
A. Roberts
A. Caldwell
Burress
Witten
Clark
Finley
Graham
2011 picks - 1.10, 2.01, 2.05, 2.07
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Traded:
Manning, Best, Jackson, Thomas, Clark, 2011 picks 1.10, 2.01, 2.05, 2.07
Received:
Colt McCoy, Wells, DeMary Thomas, Gettis, D. Williams (Tenn) 2011 picks 1.01 & 2.01
Traded:
Turner, Snelling, Witten
Received:
Marshawn, Gerhart & Jacoby Jones
Traded:
ADP, DeMary Thomas
Received:
Ray Rice, Blount
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Club now:
McCoy
Kolb
Flynn
J. Johnson
Vince Young
Rice
Blount
Lynch
Wells
Gerhart
Hilliard
Maroney
Nicks
Rice
M. Williams (TB)
Jacoby Jones
Finley
Graham
2011 picks - 1.01 & 2.01
Took over a club 6 weeks ago - wanted to make it 'my own'...
Started with:
Manning
Kolb
J. Johnson
Peterson
Best
Turner
Snelling
DeSean Jackson
Nicks
Rice
M. Williams (TB)
M. Thomas
A. Roberts
A. Caldwell
Burress
Witten
Clark
Finley
Graham
2011 picks - 1.10, 2.01, 2.05, 2.07
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Traded:
Manning, Best, Jackson, Thomas, Clark, 2011 picks 1.10, 2.01, 2.05, 2.07
Received:
Colt McCoy, Wells, DeMary Thomas, Gettis, D. Williams (Tenn) 2011 picks 1.01 & 2.01
Traded:
Turner, Snelling, Witten
Received:
Marshawn, Gerhart & Jacoby Jones
Traded:
ADP, DeMary Thomas
Received:
Ray Rice, Blount
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Club now:
McCoy
Kolb
Flynn
J. Johnson
Vince Young
Rice
Blount
Lynch
Wells
Gerhart
Hilliard
Maroney
Nicks
Rice
M. Williams (TB)
Jacoby Jones
Finley
Graham
2011 picks - 1.01 & 2.01
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The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Honestly I think your team was better before the trades. You had a legit championship contender, now you don't.MOX league - 14 teams, non-PPR, Start QB / 2RB / 2WR / 2Flex (RB,WR or TE)Took over a club 6 weeks ago - wanted to make it 'my own'...Started with:ManningKolbJ. JohnsonPetersonBestTurnerSnellingDeSean JacksonNicksRiceM. Williams (TB)M. ThomasA. RobertsA. CaldwellBurressWittenClarkFinleyGraham2011 picks - 1.10, 2.01, 2.05, 2.07~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Traded:Manning, Best, Jackson, Thomas, Clark, 2011 picks 1.10, 2.01, 2.05, 2.07Received:Colt McCoy, Wells, DeMary Thomas, Gettis, D. Williams (Tenn) 2011 picks 1.01 & 2.01Traded:Turner, Snelling, WittenReceived:Marshawn, Gerhart & Jacoby JonesTraded:ADP, DeMary ThomasReceived:Ray Rice, Blount~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Club now:McCoyKolbFlynnJ. JohnsonVince YoungRiceBlountLynchWellsGerhartHilliardMaroneyNicksRiceM. Williams (TB)Jacoby JonesFinleyGraham2011 picks - 1.01 & 2.01
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think you wrecked your team.
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Don't like the 1st trade at all. DeSean is worth a lot. Manning is worth a lot. Clark is worth a lot. Best is worth more than Wells. Other than the picks you got a lot of garbage back.Don't like the 2nd trade much more. Turner has a short shelf life but given Lynch's mediocrity I'm not sure his is much longer.I like the last trade a lot though.
what the heck were you thinking Poppa. you had a great team and completely butchered it.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I know I'm kind of piling on here, so sorry, but in order to make the team your "own" you took what looked like a championship contender in a 14 team league and turned it into a real question mark. I like the last trade you made, but I don't quite get your thought process on those first two. Of course you can still rest on the fact that some things that don't necessarily look good on paper sometimes end up working out real well. Good luck.
Poppa
Footballguy
Don't mind a'tall!'Dr. Octopus said:
Short version:
Non PPR MOX leagues heavily skewed to RB's. RB's are gold; RB depth even golder...
This team was a semi-finalist last year, then was killed - as both Best and ADP were out.
No depth. Really, almost nothing else matters...
Manning had to go - he was Johnny U's signature guy, an' I'm a transplanted Hoosier and sick up to my eyeballs of all things Manning! He had to go while his value was still tops.
Manning averaged 20 ppg - he's 35. McCoy - 11ppg in 5, Kolb (please get traded) 20ppg in 4, even Vince 11ppg in 9. QB's generally are not difference makers here.
TE's not consistent enough week-to-week to start, and not mandatory starters. Witten/Clark gone as they also compete heavily with their team's WR's for targets and catches. Name recognition and past track record ensured they'd move on trade. Those days are coming to a close...and with Rice, Nicks & Williams on board, were simply non-RB flex depth and bye week starters.
Core WR talent left alone - Nicks, Williams, Rice. Trying to trade Finley/Graham package for another core WR.
Not a week-to-week Best believer. Turner, at 29, has a season or two max of #1 or 2 numbers, & Snelling only has value to the Turner owner - so gone as a package while I could.
Rice, Blount, Ingram (1.01) Wells, even Lynch (no foreseeable competition for touches, 31st in MOX RB's last year, 24 yrs old, etc...) as a group, are a considerable upgrade for MOX dynasty over ADP, Best, Turner...IMO.
2 2012 1st's in the bank (Andrew Luck?) as well...
3 times MOX champ, (4 teams now...) haven't missed the playoffs in years, and I love to trade!
I'm okay.
Thanks for the input!
I'm trying to figure out the scoring system where Manning = Kolb. Even ignoring Kolb's 1st game, He averaged about 235 yards, 1.4 TDs, and 1.4 ints per game. Manning averaged about 294, 2, and 1. What is the scoring that gets both of these guys to 20 ppg?
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
'The Real Hipster Doofus said:Honestly I think your team was better before the trades. You had a legit championship contender, now you don't.'Poppa said:MOX league - 14 teams, non-PPR, Start QB / 2RB / 2WR / 2Flex (RB,WR or TE)Took over a club 6 weeks ago - wanted to make it 'my own'...Started with:ManningKolbJ. JohnsonPetersonBestTurnerSnellingDeSean JacksonNicksRiceM. Williams (TB)M. ThomasA. RobertsA. CaldwellBurressWittenClarkFinleyGraham2011 picks - 1.10, 2.01, 2.05, 2.07~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Traded:Manning, Best, Jackson, Thomas, Clark, 2011 picks 1.10, 2.01, 2.05, 2.07Received:Colt McCoy, Wells, DeMary Thomas, Gettis, D. Williams (Tenn) 2011 picks 1.01 & 2.01Traded:Turner, Snelling, WittenReceived:Marshawn, Gerhart & Jacoby JonesTraded:ADP, DeMary ThomasReceived:Ray Rice, Blount~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Club now:McCoyKolbFlynnJ. JohnsonVince YoungRiceBlountLynchWellsGerhartHilliardMaroneyNicksRiceM. Williams (TB)Jacoby JonesFinleyGraham2011 picks - 1.01 & 2.01
Poppa
Footballguy
Number of Passing TDs 4 points each Passing Yards .04 points each
Number of Rushing TDs 6 points each
Rushing Yards .10 points each
Manning does not = Kolb.
Manning x 15 games = 20.175ppg
Kolb x 5 (missed his wk17 game & throwing out his 1st) = 14.14 15.82 25.14 15.04 11.68 = 16.3ppg
Poppa
Footballguy
Sorry, man...'The Real Hipster Doofus said:Honestly I think your team was better before the trades. You had a legit championship contender, now you don't.'Poppa said:MOX league - 14 teams, non-PPR, Start QB / 2RB / 2WR / 2Flex (RB,WR or TE)Took over a club 6 weeks ago - wanted to make it 'my own'...Started with:ManningKolbJ. JohnsonPetersonBestTurnerSnellingDeSean JacksonNicksRiceM. Williams (TB)M. ThomasA. RobertsA. CaldwellBurressWittenClarkFinleyGraham2011 picks - 1.10, 2.01, 2.05, 2.07~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Traded:Manning, Best, Jackson, Thomas, Clark, 2011 picks 1.10, 2.01, 2.05, 2.07Received:Colt McCoy, Wells, DeMary Thomas, Gettis, D. Williams (Tenn) 2011 picks 1.01 & 2.01Traded:Turner, Snelling, WittenReceived:Marshawn, Gerhart & Jacoby JonesTraded:ADP, DeMary ThomasReceived:Ray Rice, Blount~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Club now:McCoyKolbFlynnJ. JohnsonVince YoungRiceBlountLynchWellsGerhartHilliardMaroneyNicksRiceM. Williams (TB)Jacoby JonesFinleyGraham2011 picks - 1.01 & 2.01
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
So it's Hoss' team?Sorry, man...
Poppa
Footballguy
Was, yep...Eventual champ started Rice, Blount, Charles and Chris Johnson at RB for the Championship. Hoss's club, while perennial playoff contender **10-5 last year, 7-9 in '09, 8-8 in '08** and always verrry heavy in WR/TE strength, was simply never gonna win a championship without a rebuild.So it's Hoss' team?Sorry, man...
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Didn't you just trade ADP, Best, and Turner?Was, yep...Eventual champ started Rice, Blount, Charles and Chris Johnson at RB for the Championship. Hoss's club, while perennial playoff contender **10-5 last year, 7-9 in '09, 8-8 in '08** and always verrry heavy in WR/TE strength, was simply never gonna win a championship without a rebuild.So it's Hoss' team?Sorry, man...
Dragon1952
Footballguy
I wouldn't even trade just Aaron Rodgers for that. Team A is trading arguably the best FF QB and getting a potential star QB and 2 huge ?? If I was trading Rodgers I'd want rock-solid, sure things.'Dr. Octopus said:
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bigern1000
Footballguy
I liked your side of the deal when I saw it on the message board...'deadstick said:
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
One of the biggest new owner wreck jobs I've ever seen.
You went from contender to league doormat.
You went from contender to league doormat.
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I know it's no longer my team and all, but you have to look at some of those deals and wonder what he's doing. Maybe Poppa is some kind of fantasy genius and knows exactly what he's doing. I wish him well.
Poppa
Footballguy
As I say - all in all, I do alright...
jeter23
Footballguy
I guess I did not word that very well. Of course Wayne is still a starter and a very good one, but with his roster, he drops from Wayne to Marshall or Wallace as his 3rd starter and adds some youth to his bench. I like these moves.Hipster- I thought that deal made sense for both, did not mean to bash your side of the deal. Best seems to be a very polarizing player based on what I have read on this board.'eaglesfan7 said:
Hm... really?PPR this could be a very nice buy low on Spiller, as well as Rice coming of a year of injury. I don't think this is as bad for team A as most seem to think. Bradford had a fantastic rookie year and could be a top 5 stud in a few years time. Add that Stewarts upside is limited in a PPR and I'm definitely against the group's thinking here.
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Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Got offered Freeman, Bess
for
Romo, Wallace
not sure what my benefit would be, stafford and sanchez are my backups. Am I missing something or did someone just fling poo at me?
for
Romo, Wallace
not sure what my benefit would be, stafford and sanchez are my backups. Am I missing something or did someone just fling poo at me?
eaglesfan7
Footballguy
Trying to sell high on Freeman's end to last season. I prefer Romo over Freeman a little actually and Wallace over Bess by a mile.
No Way Jose
Footballguy
Poo has been flung.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
It's not a buy low if you have to give Rodgers and Stewart though. That's a 'buy high for a player who's value is low' which isn't the same thing.Terrible terrible deal on value alone.
Yup, this on'es pretty ugly no matter how you spin it.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
these two trade just happened in my MOX SF2 league:
Misfits and Outlaws Xtreme SUPER-Flex HP-2 FFL Trade
NO SOUP FOR YOU gave up:
Britt, Kenny TEN WR
Dutch Rudders gave up:
Cassel, Matt KCC QB
Misfits and Outlaws Xtreme SUPER-Flex HP-2 FFL Trade
When Pigs Fly gave up:
Schaub, Matt HOU QB
Addai, Joseph IND RB
Dutch Rudders gave up:
Orton, Kyle DEN QB
Gore, Frank SFO RB
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Dutch Rudders
Misfits and Outlaws Xtreme SUPER-Flex HP-2 FFL Trade
NO SOUP FOR YOU gave up:
Britt, Kenny TEN WR
Dutch Rudders gave up:
Cassel, Matt KCC QB
Misfits and Outlaws Xtreme SUPER-Flex HP-2 FFL Trade
When Pigs Fly gave up:
Schaub, Matt HOU QB
Addai, Joseph IND RB
Dutch Rudders gave up:
Orton, Kyle DEN QB
Gore, Frank SFO RB
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Dutch Rudders
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'd take the 1.3. And I have Harvin in a non-ppr league.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Even with superflex this seems bad.'bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
For who? the team giving up Britt?
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Yes. Top 15 WR for top 25 QB. Little difference between Cassel and garbage that you could acquire for peanuts (Jason Campbell, Henne, Hasselbeck, Bulger). Guy buying has to believe really hard Cassel is a longterm NFL starting QB.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I like Freeman. I think that's a good deal for Team B.
Pretty cheap considering a lot of the other Freeman trades in this thread
