delusional
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Well drop my pants, slap my bottom and call me Susie.
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*** 2012 Official Philadelphia Eagles Post Mortem Thread *** (1 Viewer)
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
to be fair, I don't think one has anything to do with the other..trading Asante puts us at approx $20 million under the cap. McCoy could have/should have been signed to an extension regardless of Asante's status.
bushdocda
Footballguy
I am all for this but think they'll get up to #9 and take him.Or take Kirkpatrick at 15.I'm really thinking that we get priced out of trading up to 7 for Cox. More likely IMO we go with BPA at 15 which I think will be Gilmore the CB
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
That doesnt make me hate him more. I think I'd put the screws to any team trying to deal me too if it wasnt somewhere I wanted to go
delusional
Footballguy
Thing is, you shouldnt have a say in it at all.That doesnt make me hate him more. I think I'd put the screws to any team trying to deal me too if it wasnt somewhere I wanted to go
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I know you shouldn't but we all know they do. I didn't hate McNabb any more after him denying deals to make sure he went to Washington. Maybe it's just me but I would do the same thing in their position.Thing is, you shouldnt have a say in it at all.That doesnt make me hate him more. I think I'd put the screws to any team trying to deal me too if it wasnt somewhere I wanted to go
JAA
Footballguy
well, not in the eagles mind and how they run the team.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
I see what you are saying and I know that they look at things from a money aspect, but do you think that if Asante didn't get traded, that would preclude them from extending Shady?
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Because?Samuel and the team signed a contract together and the Eagles wanted to change the terms of that contract. And Samuel should just do that out of the goodness of his heart and get nothing in return?Thing is, you shouldnt have a say in it at all.That doesnt make me hate him more. I think I'd put the screws to any team trying to deal me too if it wasnt somewhere I wanted to go
SouthJersey
Footballguy
Roseman: "Assante...take a paycut and go play in some city you have no interest in."Assante: "Sure thing, Howie"Get out of here...most guys here as well as most players in the league would've done the same thing. You're taking a huge paycut and have a little power to choose where you wanna go...use it. I have no ill will towards him for that.Because?Samuel and the team signed a contract together and the Eagles wanted to change the terms of that contract. And Samuel should just do that out of the goodness of his heart and get nothing in return?Thing is, you shouldnt have a say in it at all.That doesnt make me hate him more. I think I'd put the screws to any team trying to deal me too if it wasnt somewhere I wanted to go
Machiavelli
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I have been saying that Samuels had a lot more power in this situation, as DH has explained. He had to restructure his contract for any deal to be done, and he was able to hand pick his team. I will miss Samuels, but as our defensive philosophy has changed, we also need to let go of a guy that wouldn't be used correctly in the scheme who is 31, and was going to cost up over 10 mil for the next two seasons.'Deranged Hermit said:
Machiavelli
Footballguy
In an ideal world, I would love to see the Eagles trade back from the 15 (mid twenties) if Cox or Kuechley aren't there. Then with the newly acquired second (giving them three), trade two to get back into the end of the first. Getting two late firsts and a second should be 2-3 impact, starting quality players, hopefully being CB, LB, and DT.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'm told the Birds were rebuffed on an attempt to trade up today. The team should surprise no one, but the team in question said they are staying put for now because they said they want to see who drop to them. I think they are just looking for a better offer.
SouthJersey
Footballguy
How many spots up? 5? 10? Can you give us a range?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Has to be Cleveland or Jacksonville
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
In to the top 10. Sorry, best I can do.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
DH has to be talking about Jacksonville. I could see JAX still trading with us, but they're smart to wait until the clock starts rolling and teams get more desperate, particularly if one of the "can't miss" guys fell to 7 unexpectedly.
delusional
Footballguy
Cox Claiborne or Kuechly then if they are looking to trade up into 10
CentralPA
Footballguy
Most trade movements don't happen until the draft starts and usually while said team is on the clock. Always wait until the last possible minute to see if you can get a better deal. Sounds about right. Still could see an Eagles trade w/ Jacksonville tonight.
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Mighty Mice
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15 is a good spot this year IMO. Keep it and get a CB/S/DT like Gilmore, Barron, Poe or whoever they like. I really see value there. Giving up one of the seconds to move up may be exciting, but I would like to see one of the seconds used on another D contributor at one of the above areas, and one on a QB. We can't believe Kafka is the future here. Two defense guys and a future QB is exactly how I want the first two days to play out for Philly.
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I know he was just a name you threw out, but my buddy doesn't like Poe even a little bit. He thinks he has bust written all over him. Now this is his opinion, others in the organization don't necessarily agree and he's not the one who makes the pick.He does like Gilmore and Barron though.
Deamon
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No chance we get into the 9 spot to get Cox. Carolina would be in heaven if they got cox at 9. We need to jump in FRONT of them to get him.As for Kirk, 15 is way too high. He's slipping down boards. I like the guy, but would rather us draft him around 20-23. Which means we'd either need to trade back, or trade back into the first round for a 2nd pick (What I'm hoping for)'bushdocda said:I am all for this but think they'll get up to #9 and take him.Or take Kirkpatrick at 15.'Shane Falco said:I'm really thinking that we get priced out of trading up to 7 for Cox. More likely IMO we go with BPA at 15 which I think will be Gilmore the CB
Bigboy10182000
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There's no sense to risk missing your guy because you dealt back from 15 to 20. Unless they deal up I'm thinking they HAVE to make a pick at 15. I don't care if its Brockers, just take him.No chance we get into the 9 spot to get Cox. Carolina would be in heaven if they got cox at 9. We need to jump in FRONT of them to get him.As for Kirk, 15 is way too high. He's slipping down boards. I like the guy, but would rather us draft him around 20-23. Which means we'd either need to trade back, or trade back into the first round for a 2nd pick (What I'm hoping for)'bushdocda said:I am all for this but think they'll get up to #9 and take him.Or take Kirkpatrick at 15.'Shane Falco said:I'm really thinking that we get priced out of trading up to 7 for Cox. More likely IMO we go with BPA at 15 which I think will be Gilmore the CB
Deamon
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Kirk isn't our guy by any stretch of the imagination that high. And I hate the name "Brockers" So I don't want him haha.There's no sense to risk missing your guy because you dealt back from 15 to 20. Unless they deal up I'm thinking they HAVE to make a pick at 15. I don't care if its Brockers, just take him.No chance we get into the 9 spot to get Cox. Carolina would be in heaven if they got cox at 9. We need to jump in FRONT of them to get him.As for Kirk, 15 is way too high. He's slipping down boards. I like the guy, but would rather us draft him around 20-23. Which means we'd either need to trade back, or trade back into the first round for a 2nd pick (What I'm hoping for)'bushdocda said:I am all for this but think they'll get up to #9 and take him.Or take Kirkpatrick at 15.'Shane Falco said:I'm really thinking that we get priced out of trading up to 7 for Cox. More likely IMO we go with BPA at 15 which I think will be Gilmore the CB
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Good lord.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Thinking back, that's a pretty strong insult for a few particular individuals prevalent in this thread.
bushdocda
Footballguy
I was referring to Gilmore not Poe, sorry I didnt specify.No chance we get into the 9 spot to get Cox. Carolina would be in heaven if they got cox at 9. We need to jump in FRONT of them to get him.As for Kirk, 15 is way too high. He's slipping down boards. I like the guy, but would rather us draft him around 20-23. Which means we'd either need to trade back, or trade back into the first round for a 2nd pick (What I'm hoping for)'bushdocda said:I am all for this but think they'll get up to #9 and take him.Or take Kirkpatrick at 15.'Shane Falco said:I'm really thinking that we get priced out of trading up to 7 for Cox. More likely IMO we go with BPA at 15 which I think will be Gilmore the CB
CentralPA
Footballguy
What? It's pretty much public knowledge the guy and the front office weren't buddies. I'll admit that after writing that maybe it is far fetch to believe he's trying to one up the Eagles but the guy just never came off as a real team player to me.
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Machiavelli
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Unless you value 4-5 guys pretty equally and can net another 2nd or 3rd rounder and get one of those guys you have rated the same...There's no sense to risk missing your guy because you dealt back from 15 to 20. Unless they deal up I'm thinking they HAVE to make a pick at 15. I don't care if its Brockers, just take him.No chance we get into the 9 spot to get Cox. Carolina would be in heaven if they got cox at 9. We need to jump in FRONT of them to get him.As for Kirk, 15 is way too high. He's slipping down boards. I like the guy, but would rather us draft him around 20-23. Which means we'd either need to trade back, or trade back into the first round for a 2nd pick (What I'm hoping for)'bushdocda said:I am all for this but think they'll get up to #9 and take him.Or take Kirkpatrick at 15.'Shane Falco said:I'm really thinking that we get priced out of trading up to 7 for Cox. More likely IMO we go with BPA at 15 which I think will be Gilmore the CB
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Please See Mine
Footballguy
Samuel and the team signed a contract together and the Eagles wanted to change the terms of that contract. And Samuel should just do that out of the goodness of his heart and get nothing in return? Perhaps your statements had more to do with his past difficulties with the team (though their true nature may be difficult to know for sure). I just don't see why anyone should be mad at him for the way that this trade worked out.
Machiavelli
Footballguy
Contracts in the NFL aren't like contracts in life. Once you sign the dotted line, the contract can be cancelled at pretty much any point (barring injury), allowing teams to get out of bad contracts that they signed. The only portion of the contract that matters is the guaranteed money. Samuels had no guaranteed money coming his way, so the Eagles and Samuels were aware that they could cut him, and he could choose his team. Or, the Eagles could try to trade him, but Samuels was fully aware that he controlled where as no one was going to take a 10+ million contracts for 2 years from a 31 year old CB. The Eagles shouldn't complain, as it could of been worse (just cutting him completely) and Samuels should be happy to be getting paid 18+ million over the next three.As a fan, I would of loved to have had a fifth or sixth (and/or a conditional pick), but this is how the business side of the NFL is handled.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I was serious before when I asked but had we just cut Asante and he went to Atlanta..wouldnt we get a copensatory pick next season for him?
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Compensatory picks are awarded when a team loses an UFA, not if a team cuts a player.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Please tell me DH most of the other guys for the team don't like Poe either. I'm in the same agreement with your buddy on Poe. Nothing more then a combine warrior who will be a big bust. Any news on possible position targets for day 2 and 3 yet your buddy has mentioned?
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Jeff Pasquino
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I was talking about NnamdiDeion Sanders....................Asante SamuelDeion Sanders used to play man, and the rest of the team would play zone. It's been done several times with elite corners.From what I remember from my short HS football days is you can't play two different coverages on each side of the defense. Causes too much confusion and doesn't work as effectively as some think.Really torn on this one.There's a clear shortage on corners in the NFL. Philly plays two top passing games 4x in the division (NYG, DAL). You need 3 corners there.Now, the system stunk last year. They should be playing hybrid (man with Nnamdi, zone with Asante). DRC can play 3rd WR in man under.Why they didn't do that I have no idea.If they think Asante is (A) a cancer or (B.) doesn't fit the scheme - they better have a plan for 3rd corner. Corners can and do get hurt. Hanson is not a starter for a reason.Selling this as a money savings move doesn't hold water.Seen a few reports that say once we trade Asante we will be $20mm under the cap.In other words, this move had NOTHING to do with getting McCoy signed long term.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Minnesota is trading No. 3 pick Cleveland. More ahead on ESPN.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Adam Schefter ? @AdamSchefterFifty years after Cleveland drafted Ernie Davis, they've traded up to No. 3 to draft another RB, Trent Richardson.Vikings got the Browns picks in rounds 1, 4, 5, 7. Cleveland gets the No. 3 overall pick.
ctrlaltdefeat
Footballguy
Cleveland gave up the number 4 pick and 3 other picks to move up 1 spot to take a player who Minnesota wasn't going to take. Dumbest franchise in the league.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Sorry I was thinking Minny when it is Browns. Good pick for them but dumb move to move up that far with loosing all those picks.
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Machiavelli
Footballguy
Unless they were concerned that another team may move to #3....
DJackson10
Footballguy
I doubt it was us. Heard Rams wanted to move up for Blackmon or something which is ironic or maybe it was Jax.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Jax only trades their 4th and 1st to swap places. That a holy heck a lot better then what Clev and Minny did.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
It's taking nothing to move up!
Fire the Fat Man
Footballguy
Cowboys have moved up to 6....
DJackson10
Footballguy
Cowpukes move up to take TBs selection. Sh** that's horrible. They are taking Claibourn too per Scheftar.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
For a 2, there's no reason why we can't get 7 now!
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