2012 Offseason Dynasty Trades (1 Viewer)

[Patoons]

Dear Calvin owners....please consult the shark pool prior to selling lower than necessary.

Yesterday Calvin went in one of my leagues (I wasn't involved). Calvin, Colt McCoy, Thomas, Jones, 3.07forAJ Green, Peyton Hillis, Evan Royster, Laurent Robinson, 1.05I actually thought it was a decent deal for the guy trading away Calvin as I like the 1.05 this year.

So the guy who gets Marshall and Ingram is trashed, but 1.05 and Green is a good haul?

 

[DexterDew]

i think Green>Marshall and Ingram, so getting the 1.05, too is a real bonus

of course, it matters how you value Ingram, and i am low on him.

 

[todisco1]

Dear Calvin owners....please consult the shark pool prior to selling lower than necessary.

Yesterday Calvin went in one of my leagues (I wasn't involved). Calvin, Colt McCoy, Thomas, Jones, 3.07forAJ Green, Peyton Hillis, Evan Royster, Laurent Robinson, 1.05I actually thought it was a decent deal for the guy trading away Calvin as I like the 1.05 this year.

So the guy who gets Marshall and Ingram is trashed, but 1.05 and Green is a good haul?

AJ Green is my #3 dynasty WR. He's years younger than Marshall, much less likely to be stabbed or go to prison, and looks to be one of the most dominant WRs in the game with a good young QB. He's much more valuable to me than Brandon Marshall, not even close. You'd have to give me Marshall and a lot more for me to even consider moving Green. Ingram is worth the 1.05 IMO, but the "fluff" involved in the deal was pretty good. Hillis could re-emerge as a decent RB, Royster put together a couple of good games, and LRob was a top 20 WR this year. Those parts could be usable down the road (or tradeable now). So overall I think it's a better deal for Calvin than Marshall/Ingram, though Ingram certainly has potential to make that deal work out for both sides.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Couple have went down in one of my 12-team PPRs(1.5 for TEs) the last week....

Deal One:

Team A gets:

Miles Austin

Team B gets:

James Starks

Deal Two:

Team A gets:

Fred Davis

Rookie Pick 2.12

Team B gets:

Stevie Johnson

Rookie Pick 3.6

 

[gianmarco]

************BLOCKBUSTER ALERT****************14 team ppr league w/ dev players. A gives: Mark SanchezB gives: Colt McCoy, 2.09 rookie pick

the rare trade where both sides lose.

 

[todisco1]

Couple have went down in one of my 12-team PPRs(1.5 for TEs) the last week....

Deal One:

Team A gets:

Miles Austin

Team B gets:

James Starks

Has Miles Austin sunk that low?

 

[Donsmith753]

Couple have went down in one of my 12-team PPRs(1.5 for TEs) the last week....

Deal One:

Team A gets:

Miles Austin

Team B gets:

James Starks

Has Miles Austin sunk that low?

Not in proper leagues.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Has Miles Austin sunk that low?

Apparently at least to that one owner, yeah.

 

[jwb]

************BLOCKBUSTER ALERT****************14 team ppr league w/ dev players. A gives: Mark SanchezB gives: Colt McCoy, 2.09 rookie pick

the rare trade where both sides lose.

signed, the new Sanchez owner

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Couple have went down in one of my 12-team PPRs(1.5 for TEs) the last week....

Deal One:

Team A gets:

Miles Austin

Team B gets:

James Starks

Has Miles Austin sunk that low?

Not in proper leagues.

Yeah that trade is terrible. I'd be curious to hear the reasoning from the guy who got Starks cuz I can't even come up with one

 

[cstu]

************BLOCKBUSTER ALERT****************14 team ppr league w/ dev players. A gives: Mark SanchezB gives: Colt McCoy, 2.09 rookie pick

the rare trade where both sides lose.

I disagree - the 2.09 could turn out to be the best player in the trade.

 

[jwb]

************BLOCKBUSTER ALERT****************

14 team ppr league w/ dev players.

A gives: Mark Sanchez

B gives: Colt McCoy, 2.09 rookie pick

the rare trade where both sides lose.

I disagree - the 2.09 could turn out to be the best player in the trade.

Truthfully, last year's 2.09 (Allen Bradford) could have been Ponder or Dalton.

 

[gianmarco]

************BLOCKBUSTER ALERT****************14 team ppr league w/ dev players. A gives: Mark SanchezB gives: Colt McCoy, 2.09 rookie pick

the rare trade where both sides lose.

I disagree - the 2.09 could turn out to be the best player in the trade.

Because of the developmental picks (college players), that 2.9 pick is more like a 3.9 in a standard league. Most of the 1st round guys are already rostered from last year's dev draft.

 

[JPeso]

************BLOCKBUSTER ALERT****************14 team ppr league w/ dev players. A gives: Mark SanchezB gives: Colt McCoy, 2.09 rookie pick

the rare trade where both sides lose.

I disagree - the 2.09 could turn out to be the best player in the trade.

Because of the developmental picks (college players), that 2.9 pick is more like a 3.9 in a standard league. Most of the 1st round guys are already rostered from last year's dev draft.

Results from a similar developmental league (watered down rookie draft) with nearly all members from this board:2.08 Andy Dalton3.03 Denarius Moore3.04 Christian Ponder3.06 Lance Kendricks3.11 Jake Locker

 

[Eastwood]

Just made the following trade in a PPR dynasty. Did I sell too low on Dez?

I gave: Dez, Lance Moore

I got: VD, Collie

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Just made the following trade in a PPR dynasty. Did I sell too low on Dez?I gave: Dez, Lance MooreI got: VD, Collie

I don't think you sold low on Dez, so much as you bought pretty high on VD's playoff performances.

 

[Eastwood]

Just made the following trade in a PPR dynasty. Did I sell too low on Dez?I gave: Dez, Lance MooreI got: VD, Collie

I don't think you sold low on Dez, so much as you bought pretty high on VD's playoff performances.

My logic was, the 49ers have to know VD got them there, and will hopefully utilize him even more next year. Hopefully with Manning throwing him the ball

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Just made the following trade in a PPR dynasty. Did I sell too low on Dez?I gave: Dez, Lance MooreI got: VD, Collie

I don't think you sold low on Dez, so much as you bought pretty high on VD's playoff performances.

My logic was, the 49ers have to know VD got them there, and will hopefully utilize him even more next year. Hopefully with Manning throwing him the ball

Definitely a possibility. Unfortunately, the fact that he's a great blocker as well as pass-catcher will always work against VD's best interests in that offense.

 

[jwb]

14 team PPR (1.5 ppr for TE). WR/TE are interchangable.

Team A gets: Finley, Ivory

Team B gets: Desean, Moreno

 

[eakfootball]

Just made the following trade in a PPR dynasty. Did I sell too low on Dez?I gave: Dez, Lance MooreI got: VD, Collie

I don't think you sold low on Dez, so much as you bought pretty high on VD's playoff performances.

Dez>>>>>>>Vernon

 

[Eastwood]

Just made the following trade in a PPR dynasty. Did I sell too low on Dez?I gave: Dez, Lance MooreI got: VD, Collie

I don't think you sold low on Dez, so much as you bought pretty high on VD's playoff performances.

Dez>>>>>>>Vernon

Shopped Dez to my entire league (in all 4 leagues I own him) and no one wants him for anything more than junk.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

That's when you don't sell a player, usually.

 

[Eastwood]

That's when you don't sell a player, usually.

Probably so. :( I do like Collie over Moore at least

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Couple have went down in one of my 12-team PPRs(1.5 for TEs) the last week....

Deal One:

Team A gets:

Miles Austin

Team B gets:

James Starks

Has Miles Austin sunk that low?

Not in proper leagues.

Yeah that trade is terrible. I'd be curious to hear the reasoning from the guy who got Starks cuz I can't even come up with one

I'm not the owner of either guy in that league, but I can probably guess on part of it. There are some years of control issues that come into it(Starks has more than Miles), and the Austin owner is absolutely "extinction level event" at RB while being stacked at wideout.

 

[King of the Jungle]

That's when you don't sell a player, usually.

Probably so. :( I do like Collie over Moore at least

I am a Dez owner and don't think it is a bad trade. I like Collie going forward quite a bit and fear that Dez will never meet potential.

 

[squistion]

That's when you don't sell a player, usually.

That has been my experience. As an example, I own Sproles in 2 PPR leagues and before Week 1 last season I couldn't give him away - and I stresed as a selling point that he should be able to step in and put up numbers similar to what Reggie Bush had done in NO. I was turned down flat on 3 offers I made for what turned out in retrospect to be lesser players and I was even told by one owner not to make another offer because Sproles "represents no value." Anyway, IMO if you can't get close to what you think is fair value for a player, it is better to hold, even if you are overstocked at that position (Sproles was my #5 RB at the time).

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

That's when you don't sell a player, usually.

That has been my experience. As an example, I own Sproles in 2 PPR leagues and before Week 1 last season I couldn't give him away - and I stresed as a selling point that he should be able to step in and put up numbers similar to what Reggie Bush had done in NO. I was turned down flat on 3 offers I made for what turned out in retrospect to be lesser players and I was even told by one owner not to make another offer because Sproles "represents no value." Anyway, IMO if you can't get close to what you think is fair value for a player, it is better to hold, even if you are overstocked at that position (Sproles was my #5 RB at the time).

question.Did you try and flip Sproles during the season? or where you contending and starting him?I ask because I picked up sproles in a league during the season and some people said I overpaid, but I ending up winning it all. That to me is the bottom line.And also wondering what his appropriate value is now, he is very hard to gauge. To me in PPR he has great value but the kicker is Ignram/Pierre/Ivory eat at his value too. Interesting player to say the least

 

[squistion]

That's when you don't sell a player, usually.

That has been my experience. As an example, I own Sproles in 2 PPR leagues and before Week 1 last season I couldn't give him away - and I stresed as a selling point that he should be able to step in and put up numbers similar to what Reggie Bush had done in NO. I was turned down flat on 3 offers I made for what turned out in retrospect to be lesser players and I was even told by one owner not to make another offer because Sproles "represents no value."

Anyway, IMO if you can't get close to what you think is fair value for a player, it is better to hold, even if you are overstocked at that position (Sproles was my #5 RB at the time).

question.Did you try and flip Sproles during the season? or where you contending and starting him?

I ask because I picked up sproles in a league during the season and some people said I overpaid, but I ending up winning it all. That to me is the bottom line.

And also wondering what his appropriate value is now, he is very hard to gauge. To me in PPR he has great value but the kicker is Ignram/Pierre/Ivory eat at his value too.

Interesting player to say the least

Yes, to the extent that I made two separate message board postings in one league saying "Sproles is still available and currently ranked #10 RB or #12 RB (or whatever)" and got zero response. I was contending at that time and although I was starting him most weeks in the flex, I also had MJD, DMC, Bradshaw & Tolbert - so he was expendable, but I received no interest in him (I am guessing everybody thought his numbers were some sort of fluke).As far as current value, it appears that most people rank him as a #3 RB. I have him around #20 RB in my preliminary PPR rankings. He is hard to gauge, but I am guessing that while Ingram develops that will reduce his numbers somewhat, at the very least he should remain a very solid flex play. And I think he will remain a big part of the NO offense for several years (I wouldn't have a problem in acquiring him in other leagues from people who are thinking that they are selling high).

 

[The Captain]

That's when you don't sell a player, usually.

That has been my experience. As an example, I own Sproles in 2 PPR leagues and before Week 1 last season I couldn't give him away - and I stresed as a selling point that he should be able to step in and put up numbers similar to what Reggie Bush had done in NO. I was turned down flat on 3 offers I made for what turned out in retrospect to be lesser players and I was even told by one owner not to make another offer because Sproles "represents no value." Anyway, IMO if you can't get close to what you think is fair value for a player, it is better to hold, even if you are overstocked at that position (Sproles was my #5 RB at the time).

question.Did you try and flip Sproles during the season? or where you contending and starting him?I ask because I picked up sproles in a league during the season and some people said I overpaid, but I ending up winning it all. That to me is the bottom line.And also wondering what his appropriate value is now, he is very hard to gauge. To me in PPR he has great value but the kicker is Ignram/Pierre/Ivory eat at his value too. Interesting player to say the least

I think Sproles is the only NO RB whose role is clearly defined and not subject to the PT, Ingram, Ivory committee. He has demonstrated that he can be highly productive within that role, so he's the only NO I would trust in for fantasy purposes. The other 3 need more touches to be as productive as sproles but wont consistently see those touches. I see Sproles providing similar results as 2011 for the next two years in PPR.

 

[Spike]

Zealots league.

I traded Matt Schaub and Steve Smith (Car) and this year's 2.09 rookie pick for Aaron Rodgers and the other team's 2013 first round rookie pick (should be high).

I was stacked at WR (Smith was my WR4 or WR5) and also have Big Ben at QB.

 

[Shutout]

************BLOCKBUSTER ALERT****************

14 team ppr league w/ dev players.

A gives: Mark Sanchez

B gives: Colt McCoy, 2.09 rookie pick

the rare trade where both sides lose.

I disagree - the 2.09 could turn out to be the best player in the trade.

Because of the developmental picks (college players), that 2.9 pick is more like a 3.9 in a standard league. Most of the 1st round guys are already rostered from last year's dev draft.

Results from a similar developmental league (watered down rookie draft) with nearly all members from this board:2.08 Andy Dalton

3.03 Denarius Moore

3.04 Christian Ponder

3.06 Lance Kendricks

3.11 Jake Locker

that's odd because that is very similar to where those same players went in one of my non-developmental players league.

Did the owners in your league miss on a lot of developmentals or is it a really big league (mine is 16)?

 

[gianmarco]

Zealots league.I traded Matt Schaub and Steve Smith (Car) and this year's 2.09 rookie pick for Aaron Rodgers and the other team's 2013 first round rookie pick (should be high).I was stacked at WR (Smith was my WR4 or WR5) and also have Big Ben at QB.

Sometimes I wonder if some owners even follow football.

 

[mlball77]

Zealots league.I traded Matt Schaub and Steve Smith (Car) and this year's 2.09 rookie pick for Aaron Rodgers and the other team's 2013 first round rookie pick (should be high).I was stacked at WR (Smith was my WR4 or WR5) and also have Big Ben at QB.

Sometimes I wonder if some owners even follow football.

Yeah, that was bad (or good, depending on how you look at it). Heck, even if he didn't get the first rd pick coming back his way with Rodgers, I think he would have still done well in that trade.

 

[todisco1]

Zealots league.I traded Matt Schaub and Steve Smith (Car) and this year's 2.09 rookie pick for Aaron Rodgers and the other team's 2013 first round rookie pick (should be high).I was stacked at WR (Smith was my WR4 or WR5) and also have Big Ben at QB.

Sometimes I wonder if some owners even follow football.

Yeah, that was bad (or good, depending on how you look at it). Heck, even if he didn't get the first rd pick coming back his way with Rodgers, I think he would have still done well in that trade.

Awful trade, awful awful awful. Did I mention awful?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Zealots league.

I traded Matt Schaub and Steve Smith (Car) and this year's 2.09 rookie pick for Aaron Rodgers and the other team's 2013 first round rookie pick (should be high).

I was stacked at WR (Smith was my WR4 or WR5) and also have Big Ben at QB.

Well since you were stacked at WR I guess I can forgive you for making that trade.

 

[JPeso]

************BLOCKBUSTER ALERT****************

14 team ppr league w/ dev players.

A gives: Mark Sanchez

B gives: Colt McCoy, 2.09 rookie pick

the rare trade where both sides lose.

I disagree - the 2.09 could turn out to be the best player in the trade.

Because of the developmental picks (college players), that 2.9 pick is more like a 3.9 in a standard league. Most of the 1st round guys are already rostered from last year's dev draft.

Results from a similar developmental league (watered down rookie draft) with nearly all members from this board:2.08 Andy Dalton

3.03 Denarius Moore

3.04 Christian Ponder

3.06 Lance Kendricks

3.11 Jake Locker

that's odd because that is very similar to where those same players went in one of my non-developmental players league.

Did the owners in your league miss on a lot of developmentals or is it a really big league (mine is 16)?

No more misses than any other developmental league from year-to-yearerrick Washington

DeAndre Brown

Ronald Johnson

It's always just thrown around in these leagues that the 2nds and 3rds are a joke. The year before I grabbed Graham and Hernandez in the 3rd round. Gronkowski went just ahead at 2.8. Just because some guys suck at throwing darts doesn't mean darts cannot be a very fun game for others.

 

[jwb]

************BLOCKBUSTER ALERT****************

14 team ppr league w/ dev players.

A gives: Mark Sanchez

B gives: Colt McCoy, 2.09 rookie pick

the rare trade where both sides lose.

I disagree - the 2.09 could turn out to be the best player in the trade.

Because of the developmental picks (college players), that 2.9 pick is more like a 3.9 in a standard league. Most of the 1st round guys are already rostered from last year's dev draft.

Results from a similar developmental league (watered down rookie draft) with nearly all members from this board:2.08 Andy Dalton

3.03 Denarius Moore

3.04 Christian Ponder

3.06 Lance Kendricks

3.11 Jake Locker

that's odd because that is very similar to where those same players went in one of my non-developmental players league.

Did the owners in your league miss on a lot of developmentals or is it a really big league (mine is 16)?

No more misses than any other developmental league from year-to-yearerrick Washington

DeAndre Brown

Ronald Johnson

It's always just thrown around in these leagues that the 2nds and 3rds are a joke. The year before I grabbed Graham and Hernandez in the 3rd round. Gronkowski went just ahead at 2.8. Just because some guys suck at throwing darts doesn't mean darts cannot be a very fun game for others.

The no-brainer guys are always gone in these leagues, making first round picks (especially mid to late first rounders) less valuable, but it has been my experience that the 2's and 3's are about the same as any other league.

 

[BradtheAg]

I just offered:

1.03

2.02

for

1.01

3.01

I need RB help and I'm completely sold on Richardson. He's a Bama fan so I'm not sure he'll take it.

 

[The Captain]

I just offered:1.032.02for1.013.01I need RB help and I'm completely sold on Richardson. He's a Bama fan so I'm not sure he'll take it.

Doubtful. But I wish you Luck.

 

[mlball77]

I just offered:1.032.02for1.013.01I need RB help and I'm completely sold on Richardson. He's a Bama fan so I'm not sure he'll take it.

Doubtful. But I wish you Luck.

Yeah, it will take a lot, imo, to pry away that 1.01 pick. He'll need to sweeten the offer quite a bit, I believe. I know he's including 1.03, but I think right now it looks like there is a reasonably clear cut #1 and #2 in Richardson and Blackmon. So to move into one of those spots could be quite costly, right now anyway (things change).ETA: Nice play on words too. Missed that initially.

 

[5Rings]

Zealots league.I traded Matt Schaub and Steve Smith (Car) and this year's 2.09 rookie pick for Aaron Rodgers and the other team's 2013 first round rookie pick (should be high).I was stacked at WR (Smith was my WR4 or WR5) and also have Big Ben at QB.

Oof. You don't need to rationalize the deal from your end, Spike. Wow.We had McCoy and Doucet go for Ponder and Baldwin in 38. Makes no damn sense.

 

[thurston4040]

12 team PPR, .75 for RB, 1 for WR, 1.25 for TE

gave Greg Olsen and 2.5

got Sidney Rice and 2.9

 

[B-DAWK20]

12 team PPR, .75 for RB, 1 for WR, 1.25 for TE gave Greg Olsen and 2.5 got Sidney Rice and 2.9

Looks like Sidney Rice is a good buy low target at this price even with his injury concerns.

 

[jwb]

12 team PPR, .75 for RB, 1 for WR, 1.25 for TE gave Greg Olsen and 2.5 got Sidney Rice and 2.9

Looks like Sidney Rice is a good buy low target at this price even with his injury concerns.

Perhaps, but you can't blame anyone for jumping ship, either.

 

[jwb]

14 team ppr w/ college devys

Gave - Desean, Kolb, 1.08

Got - Rivers, Deangelo Williams, 2.04

needed a legit qb badly (had Kolb/Ponder), and the RB depth is welcome as well.

 

[TheWick]

12 Team PPR

Team A Gave

Mike Williams TB

James Starks

Greg Olsen

Team B Gave

Jonathen Stewart

Santana Moss

3.07

 

[thurston4040]

12 team PPR

Team A

Jamaal Charles

2.3

Team B

Darren McFadden

Shonn Greene

 

[todisco1]

12 team PPRTeam AJamaal Charles2.3Team BDarren McFaddenShonn Greene

I like McFadden/Greene, but seems pretty fair.

 

[Empulse]

Curious what people think about Crabtree....

I have a cat in my league who is interested in him, and the previous owner gave Crabtree a huge contract (no clue, don't ask) and I wouldn't mind getting out from underneath it.

I offered the guy Crabtree for Maclin and his 3rd (rookie draft), which he turned down as I figured he would...

Is anyone high enough on Maclin to offer Crabtree straight across for Maclin? Bloom isn't according to his rankings, but I'm curious what others think.

This owner also has Mike Williams (TB) who may be acquirable... Not that anyone is gonna be sold on him after this year.

 

[jeter23]

Curious what people think about Crabtree....I have a cat in my league who is interested in him, and the previous owner gave Crabtree a huge contract (no clue, don't ask) and I wouldn't mind getting out from underneath it.I offered the guy Crabtree for Maclin and his 3rd (rookie draft), which he turned down as I figured he would...Is anyone high enough on Maclin to offer Crabtree straight across for Maclin? Bloom isn't according to his rankings, but I'm curious what others think.This owner also has Mike Williams (TB) who may be acquirable... Not that anyone is gonna be sold on him after this year.

I'd rather have maclin than Crabtree.