2012 Offseason Dynasty Trades (2 Viewers)

[loose circuits]

Gresham is young with a first round pedigree and he's already proven to be a "solid" producer. If he takes the next step in his development, look out. I can't count five TEs I'd rather have in dynasty. Injuries are the only way I think you'll greatly regret that trade.

Finley, Gronk, A Hern, VD, and Graham? Pettigrew has to be close as well...I do think he's worth more than 2.01 though...some of these deals aren't close to what they would cost in my leagues

 

[loose circuits]

12 team PPRA gave: Bradford/1.04B gave: Lynch/2013 3rdC gave: Jordy Nelson/James Jones/2014 3rdD gave: E Bennett/Hankerson/2012 1.06

gimme Bradford/1.04definitely like Jordy side of the other one

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Gresham is young with a first round pedigree and he's already proven to be a "solid" producer. If he takes the next step in his development, look out. I can't count five TEs I'd rather have in dynasty. Injuries are the only way I think you'll greatly regret that trade.

And that is a concern, as he's got the knee questions in his past I believe. As for being top-5, I can't totally disagree.The TE position in dynasty is a very interesting one right now, because there are a couple of studs that are possibly even being overvalued in Graham and Gronk, a couple of studs who are under-producing in comparison with their talent in V. Davis and J. Finley, then you've got Hernandez, and then a bunch of the TE stars who's generation is dying out, in Witten, Gates, Clark, Gonzo, etc. Guys you might not want to be stuck holding the bag on soon. Some of them are already there.So then you have young, potential future studs in guys like Gresham and Rudolph who are still fairly cheap, and should be valued higher than they are, given their unique place in the TE hierarchy. A few years from now, they are almost default top-5 players at the position.

 

[EBF]

So then you have young, potential future studs in guys like Gresham and Rudolph who are still fairly cheap, and should be valued higher than they are, given their unique place in the TE hierarchy. A few years from now, they are almost default top-5 players at the position.

Yep. And guess which two TEs I was targeting in my most recent startup? I feel like those guys are the top value plays atm. Allen and Fleener are also representing pretty decent value in startups from the look of things.

 

[JohnnyU]

A team in one of my leagues traded what will most likely be a top 4 pick in 2013 (we use a lottery and the worse team can do no worse than 1.3 and the 2nd worst team can do no worse than 1.4) traded his 2013 1st rd pick for the 2.5 in the 2012 draft and a 2013 2nd. This is one reason why bad teams don't get better. It's either ignorance or a good friend of the person he's trading with.

 

[The Clamface]

A team in one of my leagues traded what will most likely be a top 4 pick in 2013 (we use a lottery and the worse team can do no worse than 1.3 and the 2nd worst team can do no worse than 1.4) traded his 2013 1st rd pick for the 2.5 in the 2012 draft and a 2013 2nd. This is one reason why bad teams don't get better. It's either than or a good friend of the person he's trading with.

Clearly the person accepting the two 2nds isn't very smart dynasty wise because this is an awful trade. And you can't blame someone offering a trade like that and the other party accepting.

 

[King of the Jungle]

A team in one of my leagues traded what will most likely be a top 4 pick in 2013 (we use a lottery and the worse team can do no worse than 1.3 and the 2nd worst team can do no worse than 1.4) traded his 2013 1st rd pick for the 2.5 in the 2012 draft and a 2013 2nd. This is one reason why bad teams don't get better. It's either than or a good friend of the person he's trading with.

That is ugly. I fortunate enough to have played in the same dyno league with the same 12 guys for 10 years. When people don't know everyone involved or the league has constant turnover these types of trades will happen.

 

[gianmarco]

1 pprTeam A receives: Turner/HarvinTeam B receives: Bradshaw/DeSean

This is an interesting trade involving Bradshaw. Pretty balanced, imho. I value the Bradshaw/D Jackson side a bit more, personally. Turner's age and lack of rec's is a ding to his value. And really, I guess I feel like Bradshaw (due to inj's) and Jackson (due to various antics) are better than they showed in 2011.

Indeed, this one is interesting.I think I like the Harvin side a little better. Turner plugs the hole left by Bradshaw for a year. But to upgrade desean to Harvin (and it's a decent upgrade, imho), that's worth it.

As I was able to turn Turner into Ryan Williams, I feel much better about it.

 

[coolnerd]

A team in one of my leagues traded what will most likely be a top 4 pick in 2013 (we use a lottery and the worse team can do no worse than 1.3 and the 2nd worst team can do no worse than 1.4) traded his 2013 1st rd pick for the 2.5 in the 2012 draft and a 2013 2nd. This is one reason why bad teams don't get better. It's either ignorance or a good friend of the person he's trading with.

I don't know if you remember but a couple years back there was a theory that floated around these boards that a current year's 2nd is equal to the following year's 1st. Always thought it was a bogus idea, but in one of HA leagues at that time some player offer me something like a 2009 3rd for a 2011 1st because of discounting a round a year and honestly was offended when I told him that made about zero sense.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

A team in one of my leagues traded what will most likely be a top 4 pick in 2013 (we use a lottery and the worse team can do no worse than 1.3 and the 2nd worst team can do no worse than 1.4) traded his 2013 1st rd pick for the 2.5 in the 2012 draft and a 2013 2nd. This is one reason why bad teams don't get better. It's either ignorance or a good friend of the person he's trading with.

No friends hoss, sorry. I woulda given more, but I offered and he accepted.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

A team in one of my leagues traded what will most likely be a top 4 pick in 2013 (we use a lottery and the worse team can do no worse than 1.3 and the 2nd worst team can do no worse than 1.4) traded his 2013 1st rd pick for the 2.5 in the 2012 draft and a 2013 2nd. This is one reason why bad teams don't get better. It's either ignorance or a good friend of the person he's trading with.

I don't know if you remember but a couple years back there was a theory that floated around these boards that a current year's 2nd is equal to the following year's 1st. Always thought it was a bogus idea, but in one of HA leagues at that time some player offer me something like a 2009 3rd for a 2011 1st because of discounting a round a year and honestly was offended when I told him that made about zero sense.

A current year's second is never worth next year's first, but I have seen teams make those kind of trades because the owner is living in the moment and not thinking big picture. Because these type of trades do happen it one reason why I always notify league mate that my picks are available. Ya never know what kind of offer you will get.

 

[finito]

A current year's second is never worth next year's first, but I have seen teams make those kind of trades because the owner is living in the moment and not thinking big picture.

I disagree completely with this. Last offseason a team gave their 2012 1st for the 2011 2.03 pick during the draft (pick was at 2.02 when the trade occurred, so they knew who they wanted). The 2.03 pick was Cam Newton. The 2012 fist is the 1.11. Which is worth more now? Different league, someone traded for the 2.05 which became Demarco Murray, and the pick became this year's 1.08. I'd wager the guy who gave up his 2012 1st is pretty happy with Murray. I'm not saying it's always the case, but it certainly can be. Saying a current second is NEVER worth a future 1st is just plain wrong IMO.

 

[bengalbuck]

A current year's second is never worth next year's first, but I have seen teams make those kind of trades because the owner is living in the moment and not thinking big picture.

I disagree completely with this. Last offseason a team gave their 2012 1st for the 2011 2.03 pick during the draft (pick was at 2.02 when the trade occurred, so they knew who they wanted). The 2.03 pick was Cam Newton. The 2012 fist is the 1.11. Which is worth more now? Different league, someone traded for the 2.05 which became Demarco Murray, and the pick became this year's 1.08. I'd wager the guy who gave up his 2012 1st is pretty happy with Murray. I'm not saying it's always the case, but it certainly can be. Saying a current second is NEVER worth a future 1st is just plain wrong IMO.

I mostly agree with this point of view. I get that in theory the time value shouldn't be quite as high as it is, but it happens in the real draft as well. A team will trade their 2011 2nd and 2012 1st for a 2011 1st (like the Saints did last year).Plus, when you know who you are likely to be able to pick, it comes down to comparing where you'd pick that guy in a future draft. For example, last year, I traded my 2012 1st and 3rd rounders for a 2011 3rd and 2012 2nd. I used that 3rd as a developmental pick, Lamar Miller, and went on to have a good season while the other owner struggled.Looking at how the trade played out, I gave up 1.11 and 3.11 for 2.01 and Lamar Miller (12 team league). I think I clearly "won" that deal as I basically traded down 2 spots and got Miller for a late 3rd.

 

[JohnnyU]

A current year's second is never worth next year's first, but I have seen teams make those kind of trades because the owner is living in the moment and not thinking big picture.

I disagree completely with this. Last offseason a team gave their 2012 1st for the 2011 2.03 pick during the draft (pick was at 2.02 when the trade occurred, so they knew who they wanted). The 2.03 pick was Cam Newton. The 2012 fist is the 1.11. Which is worth more now? Different league, someone traded for the 2.05 which became Demarco Murray, and the pick became this year's 1.08. I'd wager the guy who gave up his 2012 1st is pretty happy with Murray. I'm not saying it's always the case, but it certainly can be. Saying a current second is NEVER worth a future 1st is just plain wrong IMO.

Don't forget, this pick WILL be a top 4 pick more than likely. That changes the whole complexion of the trade.

 

[Deuceman]

A team in one of my leagues traded what will most likely be a top 4 pick in 2013 (we use a lottery and the worse team can do no worse than 1.3 and the 2nd worst team can do no worse than 1.4) traded his 2013 1st rd pick for the 2.5 in the 2012 draft and a 2013 2nd. This is one reason why bad teams don't get better. It's either ignorance or a good friend of the person he's trading with.

No friends hoss, sorry. I woulda given more, but I offered and he accepted.

Interesting.........How much more would u have given? Specifically, what player(s) and/or picks?

 

[icehacka]

12 team dynasty non-ppr league:

Team A has depth at RB, but is also a Mendy owner.

Team A gave up:

Wells, Beanie ARI RB

Cook, Jared TEN TE

Team B gave up:

Dwyer, Jonathan PIT RB

Davis, Fred WAS TE

Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

 

[Dragon1952]

12 team 1 PPR, start 1QB, 2-3RB, 3-4WR, 1-2TE

Team A traded Ray Rice

Team B traded 2012 1.2, Kenny Britt, Kendall Hunter

Team B was weak at RB but Team A could now be considered weak there with

only Ryan Grant, Shonn Greene, McNight, Starks and now Hunter.

Team B had good WR depth and Team A had Fitz, Calvin, Welker. The only

thing that stands out is that Team A only has Bradford, Fitzpatrick and

Palmer at QB and wanted to make sure he gets Luck or RGIII, or he's going

for Blackmon and just really stacking up at WR since we can start up to 4.

Team A has won the league 5 times in a row so he obviously has a plan.

 

[Buck Stop]

would never trade Rice for that. He is taking all the risks, hoping Britt stays out of trouble, hoping Hunter is the next starter, and hoping 1.2 pans out. So 3 hopefuls for the #1A or #1B RB in FF. Waaaay to risky IMO

 

[gianmarco]

12 team 1 PPR, start 1QB, 2-3RB, 3-4WR, 1-2TETeam A traded Ray RiceTeam B traded 2012 1.2, Kenny Britt, Kendall HunterTeam B was weak at RB but Team A could now be considered weak there withonly Ryan Grant, Shonn Greene, McNight, Starks and now Hunter.Team B had good WR depth and Team A had Fitz, Calvin, Welker. The onlything that stands out is that Team A only has Bradford, Fitzpatrick andPalmer at QB and wanted to make sure he gets Luck or RGIII, or he's goingfor Blackmon and just really stacking up at WR since we can start up to 4.Team A has won the league 5 times in a row so he obviously has a plan.

I'd trade Rice for that all day.

 

[finito]

I'd keep Rice, though I can see why people do deals like that.

 

[Donsmith753]

16 team 0.5 PPR league

Jambo Broncos gave up:

Ponder, Christian MIN QB

Doucet, Early ARI WR

Year 2012 Draft Pick 1.12

Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.06

Year 2012 Draft Pick 3.16

Year 2012 Draft Pick 4.16

Year 2012 Draft Pick 5.12

Year 2012 Draft Pick 5.16

Dunedin Buccaneers gave up:

Tebow, Tim DEN QB

Thoughts? Bucs already has Brees and note the team name trading for Tebow

 

[EBF]

Theft.

 

[Donsmith753]

Theft.

I wasn't involved but as someone who doesn't believe Tebow has a long term future this seems like a good piece of business. Not that I think Ponder is going to do much either.

 

[Couch Potato]

16 team 0.5 PPR leagueJambo Broncos gave uponder, Christian MIN QBDoucet, Early ARI WRYear 2012 Draft Pick 1.12Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.06Year 2012 Draft Pick 3.16Year 2012 Draft Pick 4.16Year 2012 Draft Pick 5.12Year 2012 Draft Pick 5.16Dunedin Buccaneers gave up:Tebow, Tim DEN QBThoughts? Bucs already has Brees and note the team name trading for Tebow

Wish I could get all that for a soon-to-be backup QB. But, surprise surprise, I don't own TeBlow in any of my leagues.

 

[jwb]

would never trade Rice for that. He is taking all the risks, hoping Britt stays out of trouble, hoping Hunter is the next starter, and hoping 1.2 pans out. So 3 hopefuls for the #1A or #1B RB in FF. Waaaay to risky IMO

I disagree on the risk thing. In fact, since he's getting three decent pieces, I'd say the risk is significantly lessened. It may be more "risky" to assume Rice stays 1a/1b over the next two or three years.

 

[Multiple Scores]

12 team dynasty non-ppr league:Team A has depth at RB, but is also a Mendy owner.Team A gave up:Wells, Beanie ARI RBCook, Jared TEN TETeam B gave upwyer, Jonathan PIT RBDavis, Fred WAS TEYear 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Team B should be arrested.

 

[finito]

12 team dynasty non-ppr league:Team A has depth at RB, but is also a Mendy owner.Team A gave up:Wells, Beanie ARI RBCook, Jared TEN TETeam B gave upwyer, Jonathan PIT RBDavis, Fred WAS TEYear 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick from Team A

Team B should be arrested.

Why? I don't think it's that lopsided. I'd take Davis over Cook and Dwyer/'13 1st isn't too far off Beanie, depending where the 1st is of course. If it's a late 1st I like B, an early and I think A. But I'm not a huge Beanie believer.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

A team in one of my leagues traded what will most likely be a top 4 pick in 2013 (we use a lottery and the worse team can do no worse than 1.3 and the 2nd worst team can do no worse than 1.4) traded his 2013 1st rd pick for the 2.5 in the 2012 draft and a 2013 2nd. This is one reason why bad teams don't get better. It's either ignorance or a good friend of the person he's trading with.

No friends hoss, sorry. I woulda given more, but I offered and he accepted.

Interesting.........How much more would u have given? Specifically, what player(s) and/or picks?

Well I have the 2.3 too so I woulda done that and a second next year or maybe the 2.3 and the 2.5. My thinking was the 2.5 and a second next year was my starting point and I could go from there. Y do u ask? I don't know u, r u in this league too?

 

[Matt's Eagles]

12 team dynasty ppr

Team A gets pick 1.1 and pick 3.1

Team B gets Andre Johnson and pick 1.4

 

[coolnerd]

16 team 0.5 PPR leagueJambo Broncos gave uponder, Christian MIN QBDoucet, Early ARI WRYear 2012 Draft Pick 1.12Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.06Year 2012 Draft Pick 3.16Year 2012 Draft Pick 4.16Year 2012 Draft Pick 5.12Year 2012 Draft Pick 5.16Dunedin Buccaneers gave up:Tebow, Tim DEN QBThoughts? Bucs already has Brees and note the team name trading for Tebow

With 5th rounders and such I am presuming IDP which makes some of that mess of later picks actually reasonable fliers...I like Tebow more than some of the other responders, but this is a pretty large haul.

 

[ebcpastor2004]

Just did this one. Zealots scoring, no PPR

I gave

Jackson, Steven STL RB

Turner, Michael ATL RB

Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick

Year 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick

for

Forte, Matt CHI RB

Year 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick

Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

A team in one of my leagues traded what will most likely be a top 4 pick in 2013 (we use a lottery and the worse team can do no worse than 1.3 and the 2nd worst team can do no worse than 1.4) traded his 2013 1st rd pick for the 2.5 in the 2012 draft and a 2013 2nd. This is one reason why bad teams don't get better. It's either ignorance or a good friend of the person he's trading with.

No friends hoss, sorry. I woulda given more, but I offered and he accepted.

Interesting.........How much more would u have given? Specifically, what player(s) and/or picks?

Well I have the 2.3 too so I woulda done that and a second next year or maybe the 2.3 and the 2.5. My thinking was the 2.5 and a second next year was my starting point and I could go from there. Y do u ask? I don't know u, r u in this league too?

He probably wants to know what the actual value of that pick is instead of the stolen value of the pick.

 

[gianmarco]

Just did this one. Zealots scoring, no PPRI gave Jackson, Steven STL RB Turner, Michael ATL RB Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick Year 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick for Forte, Matt CHI RB Year 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick

This doesn't make sense. At all. The 1st round pick is on the wrong side.

 

[Donsmith753]

Just did this one. Zealots scoring, no PPRI gave Jackson, Steven STL RB Turner, Michael ATL RB Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick Year 2012 Round 3 Draft Pick for Forte, Matt CHI RB Year 2012 Round 4 Draft Pick Year 2013 Round 1 Draft Pick

This doesn't make sense. At all. The 1st round pick is on the wrong side.

Pretty much.

 

[Crippler]

A current year's second is never worth next year's first, but I have seen teams make those kind of trades because the owner is living in the moment and not thinking big picture.

I disagree completely with this. Last offseason a team gave their 2012 1st for the 2011 2.03 pick during the draft (pick was at 2.02 when the trade occurred, so they knew who they wanted). The 2.03 pick was Cam Newton. The 2012 fist is the 1.11. Which is worth more now? Different league, someone traded for the 2.05 which became Demarco Murray, and the pick became this year's 1.08. I'd wager the guy who gave up his 2012 1st is pretty happy with Murray. I'm not saying it's always the case, but it certainly can be. Saying a current second is NEVER worth a future 1st is just plain wrong IMO.

Don't forget, this pick WILL be a top 4 pick more than likely. That changes the whole complexion of the trade.

Your guessing it is is the 1.4. What if it becomes the 1.10. There always seems to be a team or 2, that keeps there 1st with the intention of losing. But in the end. An early 2nd this year is worth a 1st next year. Does someone trade that early 2nd for an early 2nd next year. Not likely. Picks are finicky type of trade. Usually done while on the clock as you are after someone in particular but there is nothing wrong with giving a 1st for a 2nd. Most owners think the best of their team and feel that adding a piece can help. A few years back I traded the 2.16 for a 1st the next year OTC. The 2.16 was Steve Slaton. The 1st I got the next year was Donald Brown. Now I was able to do a speculative trade with an owner and traded that pick for his as he thought he was a playoff contender and I thought he sucked and he stepped up vs the pick I owned(Not mine but have done speculative trades before> have won one by 2 pick spots and lost one by a pick spot). The next pick I got was the 1.3 where I took Beanie Wells(behind MOreno and Crabtree). After the rookie season for Slaton I lost the trade because his value was much greater than the 1.3 the next year. Now if you did not trade Slaton a few years later it looks terrible but his value was sky high after his rookie campaign. This year is a strong draft with lots of depth. Next year from the sounds of it has some nice names at top but not as deep. If you feel that adding a player now helps your cause in making the playoffs, than I would do it. BUt if your rebuilding and no chance, than of course I am not but that is in the eyes of the holder of the picks. Just like evaluating trades here. YOu get different opinions on lots of trades where some like one way and others like the other. In a league right now an owner put up a mock and in it he says to the guy. Trade your late 1st for a 1st next year. Well it matters which 1st of course. If it is an owner from a team that I think sucks, than for sure. But this owner has been SB champ and last year semi finalist and no way I trade it for his pick. Better come with more than your 1st.

 

[Buck Stop]

Made a trade today, 12 team PPR dynasty

I gave: Gresham, Best, Leshoure

I got: 1.2, 1.3 rookie picks

 

[King of the Jungle]

Made a trade today, 12 team PPR dynastyI gave: Gresham, Best, LeshoureI got: 1.2, 1.3 rookie picks

What the crap? Why would he give those valuable rookie picks for that?

 

[The Captain]

Made a trade today, 12 team PPR dynastyI gave: Gresham, Best, LeshoureI got: 1.2, 1.3 rookie picks

I hope you used lube.

 

[finito]

Made a trade today, 12 team PPR dynastyI gave: Gresham, Best, LeshoureI got: 1.2, 1.3 rookie picks

What the crap? Why would he give those valuable rookie picks for that?

Wow. Just awful all the way around.

 

[EBF]

Yea, that's epically bad. Even just getting the 1.3 for that would be pretty nice.

The only way it won't blow up in his face is if Best somehow stays healthy.

 

[inzanitee]

Made a trade today, 12 team PPR dynastyI gave: Gresham, Best, LeshoureI got: 1.2, 1.3 rookie picks

See, that trade would make me think twice about staying in a league. I mean it's so lopsided what's the point.

 

[gianmarco]

Team A receives: J. Stewart/S. Rice

Team B receives: Maclin/Flacco

1 ppr

 

[cstu]

Team A receives: J. Stewart/S. RiceTeam B receives: Maclin/Flacco1 ppr

I don't value Rice very high so I like the Maclin/Flacco side. The only risk is that Stewart gets the full-time job in 2013.

 

[EBF]

I actually like the Stewart side there. Never been a big Maclin guy. I think Stewart is the most talented player in the deal. With D-Will approaching 30 and Stewart's contract up after next season, there's some interesting potential there. And for me Rice > Flacco.

 

[inzanitee]

Team A receives: J. Stewart/S. RiceTeam B receives: Maclin/Flacco1 ppr

I'll take the chance on Stewart/Rice here... unless I was desperate for a mediocre QB.

 

[cstu]

Team A receives: Maclin, Jeremy PHI WR; Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.04;Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.07

Team B receives: Fitzgerald, Larry ARI WR; Year 2012 Draft Pick 3.12

Team A receives: Best, Jahvid DET RB;Benn, Arrelious TBB WR;Rudolph, Kyle MIN TE; Year 2012 Draft Pick 2.11;Year 2012 Draft Pick 3.12

Team B receives: Peterson, Adrian MIN RB

Team A receives: Flynn, Matt GBP QB;Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB;Jones, James GBP WR;Moss, Santana WAS WR

Team B receives: Lloyd, Brandon STL WR

 

[Banemorth]

I like team A in all three.

 

[inzanitee]

Gave: Roddy WHite

Got: Victor Cruz

Wanted to go younger, believe in Cruz.

 

[The Comedian]

just went down in a league i'm in, 16 team, non-ppr, IDP:

team a gave:

colin mccarthy

erick decker

team b gave:

mike williams (tampa)

pierre thomas

 

[ebcpastor2004]

just went down in a league i'm in, 16 team, non-ppr, IDP:team a gave:colin mccarthyerick deckerteam b gave: mike williams (tampa)pierre thomas

Whoa... for Team B. He must need a LB bad.I like Tampa Mike & Pierre there.