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[Encyclopedia Brown]

Nice bow-tie, Ken.

 

[Eephus]

Nice bow-tie, Ken.

 

[jon_mx]

A four pitch leadoff walk is a gift, especially to Pence with the way he's been swinging the bat.

That was just dumb. Especially the 2-0 curveball...should have just been a fastball down the middle.Did panda hit that last ball on a hop?

 

[Eephus]

to get out scoreless from a bases loaded jam with 2-3-4 coming up was huge

 

[MAC_32]

Sanchez's value is falling a bit tonight.

Is he a why the offense can't hit? Your distaste for Sanchez is just absurd. But at least you're consistent

 

[Eephus]

Big Time Timmy Jim

 

[thecatch]

Blanco was safe.

 

[jon_mx]

Sanchez's value is falling a bit tonight.

Is he a why the offense can't hit? Your distaste for Sanchez is just absurd. But at least you're consistent

You should read more of my posts.

 

[MAC_32]

For the second straight game the better starter is staring at a loss. Have you said one positive thing about him since the trade?

 

[jon_mx]

For the second straight game the better starter is staring at a loss. Have you said one positive thing about him since the trade?

Yes, after he started out terrible in 3 of his first 4 starts, I always acknowledged his good performances and I said they should sign him for $10-12 million if they can get him for that. I just don't see him as better than Fister or even Scherzer as many people were saying. But he has been better as late and is right up there with them.

 

[MAC_32]

Your last comment says otherwise, guy pitched a gem with one mis step and his value is falling in your eyes.

Insane.

 

[tjnc09]

For the second straight game the better starter is staring at a loss. Have you said one positive thing about him since the trade?

Um, no

 

[MAC_32]

For the second straight game the better starter is staring at a loss. Have you said one positive thing about him since the trade?

Um, no

Incorrect

 

[Eephus]

feel bad for Quintin Berry but it happened

 

[tjnc09]

Big Time Timmy Jim

This

 

[jon_mx]

Your last comment says otherwise, guy pitched a gem with one mis step and his value is falling in your eyes.Insane.

The comment was after the second inning, which he was entirely responsible for. He obviously got his act together and pitch well since. But he looked very wild that inning and really did not look like he was going to last.

 

[tri-man 47]

Dammit. Tigers just cannot get a clutch hit ...stranding everybody (well, except the ones getting wiped out early on with double plays).

Add in the Wolverines' performance and I officially call this a lousy night. :(

 

[thecatch]

I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Lincecum in there right now. He was dealing.

 

[Dickies]

I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Lincecum in there right now. He was dealing.

Romo is getting the job done though.

 

[jon_mx]

The Tigers can not get anything going. Just nobody is hitting for crap.

 

[tjnc09]

For the second straight game the better starter is staring at a loss. Have you said one positive thing about him since the trade?

Um, no

Incorrect

How? Vogelsong pitched out of jams. Sanchez did not.

 

[Dickies]

Feeling pretty good with Cain on the mound tomorrow.

 

[Eephus]

Three

 

[badmojo1006]

Seriously, are the Tigers going to show up?

 

[tjnc09]

Seriously, are the Tigers going to show up?

I hope they don't tomorrow. Verlander at home in game 5 won't be any fun - I won't complain about a 4 game sweep

 

[MAC_32]

For the second straight game the better starter is staring at a loss. Have you said one positive thing about him since the trade?

Um, no

Incorrect

How? Vogelsong pitched out of jams. Sanchez did not.

He got A LOT of help. Don't get me wrong. He didn't pitch poorly and he made the right pitches at the right time against a team severely pressing but he was not the best arm on the mound tonight. In fact, he was third

 

[Eephus]

For the second straight game the better starter is staring at a loss. Have you said one positive thing about him since the trade?

Um, no

Incorrect

How? Vogelsong pitched out of jams. Sanchez did not.

He got A LOT of help. Don't get me wrong. He didn't pitch poorly and he made the right pitches at the right time against a team severely pressing but he was not the best arm on the mound tonight. In fact, he was third

 

[mr fancypants]

Borrowing a political thread title in the FFA

Does anyone think that DETROIT can win this thing

 

[tjnc09]

For the second straight game the better starter is staring at a loss. Have you said one positive thing about him since the trade?

Um, no

Incorrect

How? Vogelsong pitched out of jams. Sanchez did not.

He got A LOT of help. Don't get me wrong. He didn't pitch poorly and he made the right pitches at the right time against a team severely pressing but he was not the best arm on the mound tonight. In fact, he was third

Again, how did he get help?I never felt like Vogelsong was out of control. Sanchez was wild in the second inning.1. How do you walk Pence on four pitches? That shows a lack of control and not understanding your opponent. Throw some strikes, I doubt Pence will do much.2. No control on a wild pitch (almost threw a second one that inning)3. The hardest hit ball of the night is by Blanco in a spot where you can not let him hit it out of the infield. Instead he hits it 400 ft for an easy triple.4. 2 outs, Blanco on third, he can't escape the inning with just one run.In contrast, when Vogelsong was in trouble:1. WEAK ground ball DP with one out, 1st and 2nd by Fielder2. WEAK ground ball DP with one out, 1st and 2nd by Berry3. After loading the bases, strikes out Berry and gets the Triple Crown Winner to hit a WEAK pop upDetroit lost because Sanchez couldn't calm his nerves in the second. I don't translate that as being a better pitcher especially when you are the home pitcher.

 

[Da Guru]

For the second straight game the better starter is staring at a loss. Have you said one positive thing about him since the trade?

Um, no

Incorrect

How? Vogelsong pitched out of jams. Sanchez did not.

He got A LOT of help. Don't get me wrong. He didn't pitch poorly and he made the right pitches at the right time against a team severely pressing but he was not the best arm on the mound tonight. In fact, he was third

Again, how did he get help?I never felt like Vogelsong was out of control. Sanchez was wild in the second inning.1. How do you walk Pence on four pitches? That shows a lack of control and not understanding your opponent. Throw some strikes, I doubt Pence will do much.2. No control on a wild pitch (almost threw a second one that inning)3. The hardest hit ball of the night is by Blanco in a spot where you can not let him hit it out of the infield. Instead he hits it 400 ft for an easy triple.4. 2 outs, Blanco on third, he can't escape the inning with just one run.In contrast, when Vogelsong was in trouble:1. WEAK ground ball DP with one out, 1st and 2nd by Fielder2. WEAK ground ball DP with one out, 1st and 2nd by Berry3. After loading the bases, strikes out Berry and gets the Triple Crown Winner to hit a WEAK pop upDetroit lost because Sanchez couldn't calm his nerves in the second. I don't translate that as being a better pitcher especially when you are the home pitcher.

Detroit has lost because they were SHUTOUT for the last 18 innings. Pitching has been good enought the last two games.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Seriously, are the Tigers going to show up?

I don't think that's fair. It implies the Giants are rolling over them because they haven't shown up. The Giants pitching also held the Cardinals great offense to one run in Games 5, 6 and 7. When you hold teams with offenses this good to four runs over the course of six games, props must be given.

 

[Fly]

Seriously, are the Tigers going to show up?

I don't think that's fair. It implies the Giants are rolling over them because they haven't shown up. The Giants pitching also held the Cardinals great offense to one run in Games 5, 6 and 7. When you hold teams with offenses this good to four runs over the course of six games, props must be given.

The Giants are very good.

 

[thecatch]

For the second straight game the better starter is staring at a loss. Have you said one positive thing about him since the trade?

Um, no

Incorrect

How? Vogelsong pitched out of jams. Sanchez did not.

He got A LOT of help. Don't get me wrong. He didn't pitch poorly and he made the right pitches at the right time against a team severely pressing but he was not the best arm on the mound tonight. In fact, he was third

Again, how did he get help?I never felt like Vogelsong was out of control. Sanchez was wild in the second inning.1. How do you walk Pence on four pitches? That shows a lack of control and not understanding your opponent. Throw some strikes, I doubt Pence will do much.2. No control on a wild pitch (almost threw a second one that inning)3. The hardest hit ball of the night is by Blanco in a spot where you can not let him hit it out of the infield. Instead he hits it 400 ft for an easy triple.4. 2 outs, Blanco on third, he can't escape the inning with just one run.In contrast, when Vogelsong was in trouble:1. WEAK ground ball DP with one out, 1st and 2nd by Fielder2. WEAK ground ball DP with one out, 1st and 2nd by Berry3. After loading the bases, strikes out Berry and gets the Triple Crown Winner to hit a WEAK pop upDetroit lost because Sanchez couldn't calm his nerves in the second. I don't translate that as being a better pitcher especially when you are the home pitcher.

Detroit has lost because they were SHUTOUT for the last 18 innings. Pitching has been good enought the last two games.

MAC32 asserted that Detroit had better starting pitching in Games 2 and 3. TJNC countered that Vogelsong's situational pitching was worth more than Sanchez's superior strikeout numbers. I don't think they were arguing about Detroit's biggest failings of the series.However, TJ missed an easier opportunity to debunk MAC's statement, because Bumgarner outpitched Fister in Game 2 (not that Fister didn't have a great game as well).

 

[Gopher State]

The fat lady is warming up in the bullpen as we speak

 

[Premier]

Kind of disappointed (obviously not as much as Tiger fans) -- thought this had a chance to be a memorable Series.

 

[teamramrod]

Lifelong Tiger Fan Blues

by Jeff Daniels

I've been a baseball fan since I was a little boy

Had a bedroom full of little baseball toys

A bat and a ball and a Wilson glove

Yeah, me and my national past time

we was oh so in love.

Every opening day oh I still get that itch

I can hardly wait for that very first pitch

All my hope and dreams all replaced

I get visions of my Tigers in the pennant race

Win or lose, I got the lifelong Tiger fan blues.

---------------------------------------------------------------

I got a 119 tattoo

Peace

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Vogelsong pitched well and the Tigers are hitting like ####. Both of these things are true. It's not that Vogelsong's good pitching is the sole reason and it's also not that the Tigers terrible hitting is the sole reason for this. However, I think the Tigers terrible hitting was a bigger reason than Vogelsong's pitching. Swinging at terrible pitches when you have no business doing it (such as Berry on the 2-1 pitch with the bases loaded) is what is killing this team and they did this for long stretches the whole year. They make good pitchers look like Cy Young and make bad pitchers look good (i.e. game 2).

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

####

 

[tri-man 47]

Kind of disappointed (obviously not as much as Tiger fans) -- thought this had a chance to be a memorable Series.

It still could be. If Detroit can win a couple of well-played games - especially if Scherzer and Verlander can throw a couple of gems - then the series could be memorable for the overall quality of the pitching (following JV's early meltdown). This series has come down to baseball fundamentals, which I really enjoy. Unfortunately, SF has done everything right. [i'm convinced that if Fielder gets held up early in game 2 and the Tigers put together a rally and an early lead, the series could have an entirely different complexion.]

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Borrowing a political thread title in the FFADoes anyone think that DETROIT can win this thing

The way they are hitting, I don't think they can even win game 4 right now. I give them a 10% chance at best to win game 4. But for the sake of discussion, let's assume the Tigers win game 4. Then what? Verlander pitches game 5 and I would practically guarantee he pitches like he did in the clincher against Oakland. I would expect the Tigers to win game 5 if it gets that far. If the above happens, it could get VERY interesting. I was totally unimpressed with Bumgarner's stuff in game 2. I could not believe the Tigers couldn't hit this guy. Of course, they can't hit anyone right now. But if they get to a game 6, it will probably mean they are out of their hitting slump and if that is true, they will pummel this guy in game 6 and win easily. If the above holds true, it goes to a game 7 and anything can happen. The big advantage for the Tigers is the pressure would be squarely on the Giants and one would think the pressure would be enormous. So basically, I will go out on a limb and state for the record that if the Tigers can find a way to win game 4, they will win the World Series. But the way they look at the plate, I am not hopeful of seeing a chance for this to play out. But it would be fun to see if it happens.

 

[Da Guru]

Kind of disappointed (obviously not as much as Tiger fans) -- thought this had a chance to be a memorable Series.

It still could be. If Detroit can win a couple of well-played games - especially if Scherzer and Verlander can throw a couple of gems - then the series could be memorable for the overall quality of the pitching (following JV's early meltdown). This series has come down to baseball fundamentals, which I really enjoy. Unfortunately, SF has done everything right. [i'm convinced that if Fielder gets held up early in game 2 and the Tigers put together a rally and an early lead, the series could have an entirely different complexion.]

Right now the Tigers do not have a legit #2 hitter. Berry has shown why he has been released 4 times. Berry had two horrible ABs in big situations last night. Plus when doe does make contact it usualy it a lazy ground ball. If anything Berry should a a late inning defensive replacement/pinch runner.And I know that Fielder had a couple of bad ABs as well but we know what Fielder is capable of..Berry is just not capable of much.

 

[Short Corner]

2 runs in 38.2 innings. Quit whining and give some credit. SMH.

 

[Gopher State]

Triple Crown winner Miggy and da Prince, have gone a combined 3-for-19 with one RBI and 12 runners left on base so far. This is all you need to know why the tigers are behind.

 

[5Rings]

Seriously, are the Tigers going to show up?

I don't think that's fair. It implies the Giants are rolling over them because they haven't shown up. The Giants pitching also held the Cardinals great offense to one run in Games 5, 6 and 7. When you hold teams with offenses this good to four runs over the course of six games, props must be given.

Time to give some credit to the Gmen

 

[Tom Servo]

Seriously, are the Tigers going to show up?

I don't think that's fair. It implies the Giants are rolling over them because they haven't shown up. The Giants pitching also held the Cardinals great offense to one run in Games 5, 6 and 7. When you hold teams with offenses this good to four runs over the course of six games, props must be given.

This. Heck, before the series started FOX analysis put two check marks beside the Tigers pitching as they had them as much better than the Giants. But when Barry Zito has as many RBIs as Cabrera, Fielder and Young COMBINED (1), your offense is what hasn't shown up.

 

[Raider Nation]

The Giants try to become the 4th team to finish last in MLB in HRs and win World Series. Others: '24 Senators '65 Dodgers &amp; '82 Cards

 

[Anthony Borbely]

That was brutal.

 

[JaxBill]

PETA is officially protesting the 13 cats that Demi Lovato killed during that National Anthem.

 

[JaxBill]

Demi Lovato's National Anthem just gave momentum to Roseanne Barr's political career.

 

[Gopher State]

The tigers are the first Series team to be shut out back-to-back since 1966. I bet not many FBG's recall the 66 series