***2013 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[KCitons]

Although it is not the sexiest pick, I have no complaints. Long comes from a good football pedigree and is arguably very athletic to play multiple positions on the line. For the longest time we have been clamoring for a better OL and the bears addressed it in the free agency and in the draft. As of now, we should not complain about them not addressing protecting Cutler which was probably the #1 urgent matter for the Bears. They did draft for need vs best player available with the first pick, but I can see them going anywhere in the 2nd round. And if T'eo is for some reason available for the Bears in the 2nd round (and Arthur Brown is taken), I say might as well take him there, that would be pretty good value if that were the case.

Your last statement was the point I was making about taking Long. If you can say that taking Teo with the second round pick is good because it is good value. Then by the same argument, the Bears should have taken Floyd at #20. The other thing that I keep hearing (not just from you Whoosah) is that Long comes from good football pedigree or lineage. Jarrod Payton was nothing like his Dad.

But Jarrod's dad never claimed that his son was the best athlete in the family. And, making a selection in the second round based on value does not require you to make a value pick in the first. The two instances are mutually exclusive. You CAN make a need pick in the first and a value pick in the second.

I wasn't even aware that Howie said those things. I had heard and read it from multiple sources. It then gets repeated in message boards like this. Somehow having a family lineage in the NFL gives you an extra point or two over your competition. This is false and I gave an example. That's all.

 

[Statcruncher]

Although it is not the sexiest pick, I have no complaints. Long comes from a good football pedigree and is arguably very athletic to play multiple positions on the line. For the longest time we have been clamoring for a better OL and the bears addressed it in the free agency and in the draft. As of now, we should not complain about them not addressing protecting Cutler which was probably the #1 urgent matter for the Bears. They did draft for need vs best player available with the first pick, but I can see them going anywhere in the 2nd round. And if T'eo is for some reason available for the Bears in the 2nd round (and Arthur Brown is taken), I say might as well take him there, that would be pretty good value if that were the case.

Your last statement was the point I was making about taking Long. If you can say that taking Teo with the second round pick is good because it is good value. Then by the same argument, the Bears should have taken Floyd at #20. The other thing that I keep hearing (not just from you Whoosah) is that Long comes from good football pedigree or lineage. Jarrod Payton was nothing like his Dad.

But Jarrod's dad never claimed that his son was the best athlete in the family. And, making a selection in the second round based on value does not require you to make a value pick in the first. The two instances are mutually exclusive. You CAN make a need pick in the first and a value pick in the second.

I wasn't even aware that Howie said those things. I had heard and read it from multiple sources. It then gets repeated in message boards like this. Somehow having a family lineage in the NFL gives you an extra point or two over your competition. This is false and I gave an example. That's all.

You don't think that it's a plus that an NFL player can sit at the dinner table and talk candidly to a current NFL OL player (your brother) or a Super Bowl champion who is in the Hall Of Fame (his dad)?

 

[flapgreen]

I hope someone drowns for this.

I think you forfitted the right to complain about the pick when you said you don't know who you wanted the Bears to pick. You said you hadn't watched enough college football this year to have an opinion.

I still have an opinion. It just might not be a good one.

 

[flapgreen]

It is hilarious to watch flapgreen be a tool again. I thought he was in love with Emery ...I guess the honey moon is over. Too funny though watching him blast the Bears for trying to improve the OL when every year for the past 3 years he has been crying about the OL.

Sup bro?

 

[KCitons]

Although it is not the sexiest pick, I have no complaints. Long comes from a good football pedigree and is arguably very athletic to play multiple positions on the line. For the longest time we have been clamoring for a better OL and the bears addressed it in the free agency and in the draft. As of now, we should not complain about them not addressing protecting Cutler which was probably the #1 urgent matter for the Bears. They did draft for need vs best player available with the first pick, but I can see them going anywhere in the 2nd round. And if T'eo is for some reason available for the Bears in the 2nd round (and Arthur Brown is taken), I say might as well take him there, that would be pretty good value if that were the case.

Your last statement was the point I was making about taking Long. If you can say that taking Teo with the second round pick is good because it is good value. Then by the same argument, the Bears should have taken Floyd at #20. The other thing that I keep hearing (not just from you Whoosah) is that Long comes from good football pedigree or lineage. Jarrod Payton was nothing like his Dad.

But Jarrod's dad never claimed that his son was the best athlete in the family. And, making a selection in the second round based on value does not require you to make a value pick in the first. The two instances are mutually exclusive. You CAN make a need pick in the first and a value pick in the second.

I wasn't even aware that Howie said those things. I had heard and read it from multiple sources. It then gets repeated in message boards like this. Somehow having a family lineage in the NFL gives you an extra point or two over your competition. This is false and I gave an example. That's all.

You don't think that it's a plus that an NFL player can sit at the dinner table and talk candidly to a current NFL OL player (your brother) or a Super Bowl champion who is in the Hall Of Fame (his dad)?

Not really

 

[flapgreen]

Another thing- as Bears fans we're too damned used to drafting guys to start in their rookie year. For the best teams, that is an exception to the rule. Hell, when was the last time the Patriots didn't trade out of the first round? This team isn't ready for a SB run. In two or three years, they should be, and by then you want the guys you draft now to be developed- that way for once the Bears dont have to overpay an aged free agent, or pray that the next draft pick is ready to start, or (as per recently) just live with inferior talent. You build great franchises through the draft and you do it over time. If theyre looking at Long as a guy that will be a quality NFL starter in 2 and 3 years, thats what should be happening! Especially if they think they are going to build him into a tackle to play in this particular system. To me, thats encouraging- not because i trust Emery's talent evaluation yet, but because its the correct thought process for a successful GM.

I pretty much agree with everything except the bolded. I'm not saying they have great odds or are favorites for the big dance, but as long as the D doesn't take a huge step backward Chicago has the potential to be top ten in the NFL in all three phases.

From the bottom third of the league to the top 10 with a few new starters and learning an entirely new system? You need to wake up. They have made some good moves but it won't turn around that quick.

 

[-X-]

Te'o goes to the Bolts... Relieved?

 

[flapgreen]

Lets go after Brown or jones.

 

[KCitons]

Happy for Teo.

I'm getting a little concerned that Brown may not make to the Bears.

 

[-X-]

Minter to the Cards, immediately followed by Kiko Alonso (I had hoped we'd get him) to the Bills. Arthur Brown is not a prototype MLB, looks way too skinny and plays out of control. Has the build more of a WLB or even a SS IMO. Not to say he can't beef up...

 

[KCitons]

OK, let's not take another Offensive Lineman. Arthur.....Arthur....Arthur.

 

[William Munny]

Bostic over Brown. Ok. Actually heard somebody on radio today gushing over Bostic.

 

[KCitons]

I have no opinion of Bostic at this time. I wasn't expecting him to be one of 4-5 LB's the Bears were considering. Did he have a visit with the Bears?

 

[avina1]

Heard of Bostic but really have no opinion, lol.

 

[flapgreen]

Hard to say. He's an SEC lb so he can't be too bad.

 

[-X-]

I would rather they picked Zaviar Gooden in the 4th. Bostic is labeled as a hard hitter, plays fast but is not quick, slow reactions, tries to shoulder people down instead of wrapping up. Just what I've read, haven't watched any vid on him yet.

 

[avina1]

A lot of teams seem to not like Arthur Brown. Minter, Alonso, Bostic taken before him.

 

[-X-]

A more detailed scouting report (by Sig Bloom, no less):

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1596870-jon-bostic-scouting-report-nfl-outlook-for-florida-ilb

Love b/r, btw, awesome non-biased site.

 

[-X-]

Ravens just took Brown.

 

[KCitons]

Ravens just took Brown.

This bothers me a little. If the Ravens are willing to move up in the draft to take Brown, he is probably a pretty good player. Ozzie knows how to draft

 

[candymanvandyfan]

He's been a sturdy contributor at Florida. He's in the way a lot and doesn't suck. Not sure I would have fancied him as some can't miss pro-bowler, but he's a guy who will make the team for the next ten years probably.

 

[-X-]

Wouldn't it be great if we traded one of our safeties (Hardin) for a 3rd? How ironic would that be?

 

[flapgreen]

Ravens just took Brown.

This bothers me a little. If the Ravens are willing to move up in the draft to take Brown, he is probably a pretty good player. Ozzie knows how to draft

That's exactly what it means.

 

[flapgreen]

Wouldn't it be great if we traded one of our safeties (Hardin) for a 3rd? How ironic would that be?

Couldn't get a 7th for that turd.

 

[KCitons]

Wouldn't it be great if we traded one of our safeties (Hardin) for a 3rd? How ironic would that be?

Couldn't get a 7th for that turd.

what if we polished the turd?

 

[candymanvandyfan]

They're going to kick themselves for not taking Larry Warford.

 

[The Dude]

You guys complain too much.

 

[KCitons]

You guys complain too much.

Probably.

 

[candymanvandyfan]

Terry Hawthorne might make an interesting tomorrow pick for that defense.

 

[flapgreen]

They're going to kick themselves for not taking Larry Warford.

And Eifert

 

[twistd]

it does seem that Arthur Brown would have been a somewhat better choice than Bostic. Again, this isn't an awful pick. Long is a bit of a project, but he is supposed to be a terrific athlete. Long is risky, but he does have a high ceiling. Bostic is a higher floor type player, but he doesn't seem to have as a big an upside. I hope he is solid. I'm warming to the selection of Long, because of some of the things I've read about him.

 

[Clifford]

Hard to say. He's an SEC lb so he can't be too bad.

Florida's D was sick last year. Plain nasty. Ill have to heck some film to see how much of it was him, but drafting SEC defensive players in the second is not a terrible strategy so long as you're not getting a Craig Steltz.

 

[KCitons]

after further review, I think the Bostic pick is worse than the Long pick. (I know, more complaints). Admittedly, I have to go off of what I am reading from other people and some of the film that's tied to it. Bostic looks like he is going to be a 2 down run stopper. I don't see him as a long term MLB and is definitely not the heir apparent to Urlacher.

At least with Arthur Brown, I could see him sliding over to the WLB spot if he didn't work out at MLB. With Bostic, I don't see this option.

I am reading some positive things about Long. While he is a project, he could work out. Still don't see taking a project at #20. Webb was a project and he was taken a 7th round.

 

[flapgreen]

after further review, I think the Bostic pick is worse than the Long pick. (I know, more complaints). Admittedly, I have to go off of what I am reading from other people and some of the film that's tied to it. Bostic looks like he is going to be a 2 down run stopper. I don't see him as a long term MLB and is definitely not the heir apparent to Urlacher. At least with Arthur Brown, I could see him sliding over to the WLB spot if he didn't work out at MLB. With Bostic, I don't see this option. I am reading some positive things about Long. While he is a project, he could work out. Still don't see taking a project at #20. Webb was a project and he was taken a 7th round.

It's not complaining. It's being realistic.

 

[flapgreen]

Barkley as a backup plan, Bears. Do it!!!

 

[-X-]

I'd like to see:

(4) Schwenke

(5) Boyce

(6) Hawthorne

More picks

 

[flapgreen]

I'd like to see:(4) Schwenke(5) Boyce(6) HawthorneMore picks

Swope

 

[KCitons]

I'd like to see Eifert and Arthur Brown.

 

[William Munny]

Barkley as a backup plan, Bears. Do it!!!

Agree with this....or Nassib.

 

[3nOut]

Barkley as a backup plan, Bears. Do it!!!

Agree with this....or Nassib.

Really? Even before addressing other needs on the D Line or CB? I might even be willing to take another LB like Greene if he's still there over Barkely who will not be contributing for at least two years barring injury to Cutler. I think maybe next year is a better year to target a QB. I think fewer teams will be in need of QBs next year. Who are the top QBs for next year?

 

[Christo]

after further review, I think the Bostic pick is worse than the Long pick. (I know, more complaints). Admittedly, I have to go off of what I am reading from other people and some of the film that's tied to it. Bostic looks like he is going to be a 2 down run stopper. I don't see him as a long term MLB and is definitely not the heir apparent to Urlacher. At least with Arthur Brown, I could see him sliding over to the WLB spot if he didn't work out at MLB. With Bostic, I don't see this option. I am reading some positive things about Long. While he is a project, he could work out. Still don't see taking a project at #20. Webb was a project and he was taken a 7th round.

It's not complaining. It's being realistic.

No, it's guessing with a negative bias..

 

[KCitons]

after further review, I think the Bostic pick is worse than the Long pick. (I know, more complaints). Admittedly, I have to go off of what I am reading from other people and some of the film that's tied to it. Bostic looks like he is going to be a 2 down run stopper. I don't see him as a long term MLB and is definitely not the heir apparent to Urlacher. At least with Arthur Brown, I could see him sliding over to the WLB spot if he didn't work out at MLB. With Bostic, I don't see this option. I am reading some positive things about Long. While he is a project, he could work out. Still don't see taking a project at #20. Webb was a project and he was taken a 7th round.

It's not complaining. It's being realistic.

No, it's guessing with a negative bias..

Yep, but isn't that the point of forums like this. Everyone has an opinion?

 

[flapgreen]

after further review, I think the Bostic pick is worse than the Long pick. (I know, more complaints). Admittedly, I have to go off of what I am reading from other people and some of the film that's tied to it. Bostic looks like he is going to be a 2 down run stopper. I don't see him as a long term MLB and is definitely not the heir apparent to Urlacher. At least with Arthur Brown, I could see him sliding over to the WLB spot if he didn't work out at MLB. With Bostic, I don't see this option. I am reading some positive things about Long. While he is a project, he could work out. Still don't see taking a project at #20. Webb was a project and he was taken a 7th round.

It's not complaining. It's being realistic.

No, it's guessing with a negative bias..

 

[flapgreen]

I'd like to see Eifert and Arthur Brown.

We're not the Ravens, obviously.

 

[William Munny]

Barkley as a backup plan, Bears. Do it!!!

Agree with this....or Nassib.

Really? Even before addressing other needs on the D Line or CB? I might even be willing to take another LB like Greene if he's still there over Barkely who will not be contributing for at least two years barring injury to Cutler. I think maybe next year is a better year to target a QB. I think fewer teams will be in need of QBs next year. Who are the top QBs for next year?

I like both of those guys, especially Nassib and its great value at this point. Plus I'm really not sure about Cutler after this year.

 

[-X-]

Barkley gone (Eagles) - bad fit for Kelly's offense.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Have you guys figured everything out yet?

 

[-X-]

Pats yoink Boyce (4.5), Titans grab Schwenke (4.10), Giants trade up to pilfer Nassib (4.13).

 

[candymanvandyfan]

Goodbye Barrett Jones.

 

[KCitons]

Very curious to see what the Bears do with this pick