2013 Closers (1 Viewer)

[The Ref]

Well the age old question Coke or Pepsi got answered today.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Well the age old question Coke or Pepsi got answered today.

Like I was saying, Coke will probably get the most chances but Dotel and others will get ops also. I think one thing that is pretty clear is Leyland likes Benoit to pitch the 8th, and I think that will continue. I did not acquire Coke in either of my leagues because when he melts down, it will be really ugly. I think there are times you pass on closers, this one to me is a pass.

 

[E-Z Glider]

Well the age old question Coke or Pepsi got answered today.

Like I was saying, Coke will probably get the most chances but Dotel and others will get ops also. I think one thing that is pretty clear is Leyland likes Benoit to pitch the 8th, and I think that will continue. I did not acquire Coke in either of my leagues because when he melts down, it will be really ugly. I think there are times you pass on closers, this one to me is a pass.

Al Al = bridge

Benoit = setup

Coke = LH closer

Dotel = RH closer

Rondon = Future closer

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Well the age old question Coke or Pepsi got answered today.

Like I was saying, Coke will probably get the most chances but Dotel and others will get ops also. I think one thing that is pretty clear is Leyland likes Benoit to pitch the 8th, and I think that will continue. I did not acquire Coke in either of my leagues because when he melts down, it will be really ugly. I think there are times you pass on closers, this one to me is a pass.

Al Al = bridge

Benoit = setup

Coke = LH closer

Dotel = RH closer

Rondon = Future closer

You forgot Villarreal

 

[E-Z Glider]

Well the age old question Coke or Pepsi got answered today.

Like I was saying, Coke will probably get the most chances but Dotel and others will get ops also. I think one thing that is pretty clear is Leyland likes Benoit to pitch the 8th, and I think that will continue. I did not acquire Coke in either of my leagues because when he melts down, it will be really ugly. I think there are times you pass on closers, this one to me is a pass.

Al Al = bridge

Benoit = setup

Coke = LH closer

Dotel = RH closer

Rondon = Future closer

You forgot Villarreal

Swingman?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Well the age old question Coke or Pepsi got answered today.

Like I was saying, Coke will probably get the most chances but Dotel and others will get ops also. I think one thing that is pretty clear is Leyland likes Benoit to pitch the 8th, and I think that will continue. I did not acquire Coke in either of my leagues because when he melts down, it will be really ugly. I think there are times you pass on closers, this one to me is a pass.

Al Al = bridge

Benoit = setup

Coke = LH closer

Dotel = RH closer

Rondon = Future closer

You forgot Villarreal

Swingman?

bridge2, electric boogaloo

 

[sporthenry]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

 

[E-Z Glider]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

 

[The Ref]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

It's already documented how much closers turn over. Finding the next years surprise closers starts with finding guys who have a shot at the job this year. Frieri and Boggs are two guys who have the job right now, a guy "in front" of them that are hurt "bad" and put up good numbers on their own right.

 

[sporthenry]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

True, and I like Frieri going forward but I think his value is very volatile. He could be a top 5 guy in terms of saves or he could lose his job. If someone offers me Romo or Reed, I'd probably pull that trigger in a heartbeat. But he is probably a guy you could get for decent value at this point but I'd get him now.

 

[dparker713]

Bruce Rondon still in AAA

You going to source this or just leave us to assume you're right? Talk with Leyland?

Players are required to stay down for ten days after being optioned to the minors.

I believe there is an exception to that rule if a player on the 25 man is put on the DL before the 10 day window expires.

 

[E-Z Glider]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

True, and I like Frieri going forward but I think his value is very volatile. He could be a top 5 guy in terms of saves or he could lose his job. If someone offers me Romo or Reed, I'd probably pull that trigger in a heartbeat. But he is probably a guy you could get for decent value at this point but I'd get him now.

You could say this about 90% of the closers today. Exactly why I dont waste picks/money on them at the draft.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

True, and I like Frieri going forward but I think his value is very volatile. He could be a top 5 guy in terms of saves or he could lose his job. If someone offers me Romo or Reed, I'd probably pull that trigger in a heartbeat. But he is probably a guy you could get for decent value at this point but I'd get him now.

You could say this about 90% of the closers today. Exactly why I dont waste picks/money on them at the draft.

That was my strategy too but now I'm stuck with only Rivera. We use a FAAB thing. How do I get out of this hole? It seems like nobody is currently available that even has a chance at taking over the closer situation.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

My closers on my two teams are Janssen/Romo and Parnell/Wilhelmson. I also have Storen on both teams, Jansen on one and Cook on one. I'm not really interested in those last three being future closers as I am in just finding some high quality innings that may vulcher 5-10 saves over the course of the year.

 

[E-Z Glider]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

True, and I like Frieri going forward but I think his value is very volatile. He could be a top 5 guy in terms of saves or he could lose his job. If someone offers me Romo or Reed, I'd probably pull that trigger in a heartbeat. But he is probably a guy you could get for decent value at this point but I'd get him now.

You could say this about 90% of the closers today. Exactly why I dont waste picks/money on them at the draft.

That was my strategy too but now I'm stuck with only Rivera. We use a FAAB thing. How do I get out of this hole? It seems like nobody is currently available that even has a chance at taking over the closer situation.

First off, it wasnt your strategy if you have Rivera, he had to be one of the top 5 closers off the board. Secondly, WE'RE TWO DAYS INTO THE SEASON! You arent in any hole and of course no one looks primed to take over the closer roll yet. Patience grasshopper.

 

[The Ref]

From ESPN Confidential Player Poll

WHICH PLAYER DO YOU THINK WILL BE A BREAKOUT STAR IN 2013?

Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo (12.1%) and Pirates outfielder Starling Marte (8.8%) got plenty of votes. But those who like Bruce Rondon (7.7%) come with the most interesting commentary. The Tigers' 22-year-old fireballing reliever has batters lined up who aren't interested in facing him. "Normally you don't want a rookie closer," says a veteran reliever. "But Rondon is scary nasty. He's as good as the legends about him throwing 104."

 

[Mr. Peterson]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

True, and I like Frieri going forward but I think his value is very volatile. He could be a top 5 guy in terms of saves or he could lose his job. If someone offers me Romo or Reed, I'd probably pull that trigger in a heartbeat. But he is probably a guy you could get for decent value at this point but I'd get him now.

You could say this about 90% of the closers today. Exactly why I dont waste picks/money on them at the draft.

That was my strategy too but now I'm stuck with only Rivera. We use a FAAB thing. How do I get out of this hole? It seems like nobody is currently available that even has a chance at taking over the closer situation.

First off, it wasnt your strategy if you have Rivera, he had to be one of the top 5 closers off the board. Secondly, WE'RE TWO DAYS INTO THE SEASON! You arent in any hole and of course no one looks primed to take over the closer roll yet. Patience grasshopper.

Rivera fell wicked far in the draft so I got lucky and snagged one. I think he was like 10th. And I'm new to fantasy baseball. Joined a league as a favor almost. So I don't know many of these players. Kinda leaning on this board to help me get through the season and not finish in last place.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

From ESPN Confidential Player Poll

WHICH PLAYER DO YOU THINK WILL BE A BREAKOUT STAR IN 2013?

Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo (12.1%) and Pirates outfielder Starling Marte (8.8%) got plenty of votes. But those who like Bruce Rondon (7.7%) come with the most interesting commentary. The Tigers' 22-year-old fireballing reliever has batters lined up who aren't interested in facing him. "Normally you don't want a rookie closer," says a veteran reliever. "But Rondon is scary nasty. He's as good as the legends about him throwing 104."

Does he get called back up at some point? He was just dropped in my league.

 

[avoiding injuries]

My league doesn't use waivers during the season, so whenever a closer goes down or a change is made, the quickest dork to the keyboard is able to add them. Is this normal or should I propose a change in the waiver process?

 

[cheese]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

Even if he did come back, Ryan Madson isn't exactly Rivera. I don't see why we should assume that he will be given the closer job off that kind of layoff over Frieri who has been solid when asked. Frieri COULD lose his job just like any closer could, but I'm with you that their is no short-term concern IMO.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

From ESPN Confidential Player Poll

WHICH PLAYER DO YOU THINK WILL BE A BREAKOUT STAR IN 2013?

Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo (12.1%) and Pirates outfielder Starling Marte (8.8%) got plenty of votes. But those who like Bruce Rondon (7.7%) come with the most interesting commentary. The Tigers' 22-year-old fireballing reliever has batters lined up who aren't interested in facing him. "Normally you don't want a rookie closer," says a veteran reliever. "But Rondon is scary nasty. He's as good as the legends about him throwing 104."

Does he get called back up at some point? He was just dropped in my league.

Absolutely

 

[E-Z Glider]

From ESPN Confidential Player Poll

WHICH PLAYER DO YOU THINK WILL BE A BREAKOUT STAR IN 2013?

Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo (12.1%) and Pirates outfielder Starling Marte (8.8%) got plenty of votes. But those who like Bruce Rondon (7.7%) come with the most interesting commentary. The Tigers' 22-year-old fireballing reliever has batters lined up who aren't interested in facing him. "Normally you don't want a rookie closer," says a veteran reliever. "But Rondon is scary nasty. He's as good as the legends about him throwing 104."

Does he get called back up at some point? He was just dropped in my league.

The answer to this depends on 1. how the committee does and 2. how Rondon does in the minors. If the committee fails to blow a save and/or Rondon continues to be wild in the minors, they will obviously have no reason to make a change.

They drafted him to be the closer and he will get that shot again at some point. Whether its this month, next month, 2nd half of the season, September or next year is anyone's guess. Personally, I still think he's the guy to own in Detroit and will be back sooner rather than later, but its obviously just a guess.

Of the guys currently not listed as closer I like Fujikawa, Santos, and Rondon, but this will probably change almost daily as guys start sucking.

 

[E-Z Glider]

My league doesn't use waivers during the season, so whenever a closer goes down or a change is made, the quickest dork to the keyboard is able to add them. Is this normal or should I propose a change in the waiver process?

Not a fan of this waiver process at all.

 

[E-Z Glider]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

True, and I like Frieri going forward but I think his value is very volatile. He could be a top 5 guy in terms of saves or he could lose his job. If someone offers me Romo or Reed, I'd probably pull that trigger in a heartbeat. But he is probably a guy you could get for decent value at this point but I'd get him now.

You could say this about 90% of the closers today. Exactly why I dont waste picks/money on them at the draft.

That was my strategy too but now I'm stuck with only Rivera. We use a FAAB thing. How do I get out of this hole? It seems like nobody is currently available that even has a chance at taking over the closer situation.

First off, it wasnt your strategy if you have Rivera, he had to be one of the top 5 closers off the board. Secondly, WE'RE TWO DAYS INTO THE SEASON! You arent in any hole and of course no one looks primed to take over the closer roll yet. Patience grasshopper.

Rivera fell wicked far in the draft so I got lucky and snagged one. I think he was like 10th. And I'm new to fantasy baseball. Joined a league as a favor almost. So I don't know many of these players. Kinda leaning on this board to help me get through the season and not finish in last place.

Do you have Robertson? That would be my first priority.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

From ESPN Confidential Player Poll

WHICH PLAYER DO YOU THINK WILL BE A BREAKOUT STAR IN 2013?

Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo (12.1%) and Pirates outfielder Starling Marte (8.8%) got plenty of votes. But those who like Bruce Rondon (7.7%) come with the most interesting commentary. The Tigers' 22-year-old fireballing reliever has batters lined up who aren't interested in facing him. "Normally you don't want a rookie closer," says a veteran reliever. "But Rondon is scary nasty. He's as good as the legends about him throwing 104."

Does he get called back up at some point? He was just dropped in my league.

The answer to this depends on 1. how the committee does and 2. how Rondon does in the minors. If the committee fails to blow a save and/or Rondon continues to be wild in the minors, they will obviously have no reason to make a change.

They drafted him to be the closer and he will get that shot again at some point. Whether its this month, next month, 2nd half of the season, September or next year is anyone's guess. Personally, I still think he's the guy to own in Detroit and will be back sooner rather than later, but its obviously just a guess.

Of the guys currently not listed as closer I like Fujikawa, Santos, and Rondon, but this will probably change almost daily as guys start sucking.

I don't think the success or failure of the CBC has anything to do with Rondon. Once he's ready and gets the opportunity, he'll get a look.

They also never drafted him (FA signing) and he was a starter in rookie ball.

 

[E-Z Glider]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

It's already documented how much closers turn over. Finding the next years surprise closers starts with finding guys who have a shot at the job this year. Frieri and Boggs are two guys who have the job right now, a guy "in front" of them that are hurt "bad" and put up good numbers on their own right.

If anything, I think Boggs may a little more pressure from behind him as Rosenthal is viewed as a future closer, while Downs is pretty locked in as a setup man.

 

[E-Z Glider]

From ESPN Confidential Player Poll

WHICH PLAYER DO YOU THINK WILL BE A BREAKOUT STAR IN 2013?

Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo (12.1%) and Pirates outfielder Starling Marte (8.8%) got plenty of votes. But those who like Bruce Rondon (7.7%) come with the most interesting commentary. The Tigers' 22-year-old fireballing reliever has batters lined up who aren't interested in facing him. "Normally you don't want a rookie closer," says a veteran reliever. "But Rondon is scary nasty. He's as good as the legends about him throwing 104."

Does he get called back up at some point? He was just dropped in my league.

The answer to this depends on 1. how the committee does and 2. how Rondon does in the minors. If the committee fails to blow a save and/or Rondon continues to be wild in the minors, they will obviously have no reason to make a change.

They drafted him to be the closer and he will get that shot again at some point. Whether its this month, next month, 2nd half of the season, September or next year is anyone's guess. Personally, I still think he's the guy to own in Detroit and will be back sooner rather than later, but its obviously just a guess.

Of the guys currently not listed as closer I like Fujikawa, Santos, and Rondon, but this will probably change almost daily as guys start sucking.

I don't think the success or failure of the CBC has anything to do with Rondon. Once he's ready and gets the opportunity, he'll get a look.

They also never drafted him (FA signing) and he was a starter in rookie ball.

My bad. For some reason I thought he was a college closer.

 

[rascal]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

It's already documented how much closers turn over. Finding the next years surprise closers starts with finding guys who have a shot at the job this year. Frieri and Boggs are two guys who have the job right now, a guy "in front" of them that are hurt "bad" and put up good numbers on their own right.

If anything, I think Boggs may a little more pressure from behind him as Rosenthal is viewed as a future closer, while Downs is pretty locked in as a setup man.

Is Rosenthal going to close this year? I'm needing a RP who won't kill my stats and has a good chance at being the closer. Since I drafted none.

 

[rascal]

From ESPN Confidential Player Poll

WHICH PLAYER DO YOU THINK WILL BE A BREAKOUT STAR IN 2013?

Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo (12.1%) and Pirates outfielder Starling Marte (8.8%) got plenty of votes. But those who like Bruce Rondon (7.7%) come with the most interesting commentary. The Tigers' 22-year-old fireballing reliever has batters lined up who aren't interested in facing him. "Normally you don't want a rookie closer," says a veteran reliever. "But Rondon is scary nasty. He's as good as the legends about him throwing 104."

Does he get called back up at some point? He was just dropped in my league.

The answer to this depends on 1. how the committee does and 2. how Rondon does in the minors. If the committee fails to blow a save and/or Rondon continues to be wild in the minors, they will obviously have no reason to make a change.

They drafted him to be the closer and he will get that shot again at some point. Whether its this month, next month, 2nd half of the season, September or next year is anyone's guess. Personally, I still think he's the guy to own in Detroit and will be back sooner rather than later, but its obviously just a guess.

Of the guys currently not listed as closer I like Fujikawa, Santos, and Rondon, but this will probably change almost daily as guys start sucking.

I don't think the success or failure of the CBC has anything to do with Rondon. Once he's ready and gets the opportunity, he'll get a look.

They also never drafted him (FA signing) and he was a starter in rookie ball.

How has he pitched since he was sent down?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

My league doesn't use waivers during the season, so whenever a closer goes down or a change is made, the quickest dork to the keyboard is able to add them. Is this normal or should I propose a change in the waiver process?

Tell Eephus to settle down.

 

[pollardsvision]

My league doesn't use waivers during the season, so whenever a closer goes down or a change is made, the quickest dork to the keyboard is able to add them. Is this normal or should I propose a change in the waiver process?

We used FCFS for years. We didn't hate it, but new closer sniping was pretty annoying for many. Started doing daily free-agent auctions a few years ago for that very reason (whenever ESPN started supporting it). Much better.

I'd propose a change, but to a FAAB, not waivers. I don't think I'd play in a league with waivers.

 

[pollardsvision]

From ESPN Confidential Player Poll

WHICH PLAYER DO YOU THINK WILL BE A BREAKOUT STAR IN 2013?

Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo (12.1%) and Pirates outfielder Starling Marte (8.8%) got plenty of votes. But those who like Bruce Rondon (7.7%) come with the most interesting commentary. The Tigers' 22-year-old fireballing reliever has batters lined up who aren't interested in facing him. "Normally you don't want a rookie closer," says a veteran reliever. "But Rondon is scary nasty. He's as good as the legends about him throwing 104."

Does he get called back up at some point? He was just dropped in my league.

The answer to this depends on 1. how the committee does and 2. how Rondon does in the minors. If the committee fails to blow a save and/or Rondon continues to be wild in the minors, they will obviously have no reason to make a change.

They drafted him to be the closer and he will get that shot again at some point. Whether its this month, next month, 2nd half of the season, September or next year is anyone's guess. Personally, I still think he's the guy to own in Detroit and will be back sooner rather than later, but its obviously just a guess.

Of the guys currently not listed as closer I like Fujikawa, Santos, and Rondon, but this will probably change almost daily as guys start sucking.

I don't think the success or failure of the CBC has anything to do with Rondon. Once he's ready and gets the opportunity, he'll get a look.

They also never drafted him (FA signing) and he was a starter in rookie ball.

How has he pitched since he was sent down?

I hear he's already pitched 35 innings, with 95 Ks and one walk he gave up intentionally because he saw a gnat on the batter's ### and felt like hitting it.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

From ESPN Confidential Player Poll

WHICH PLAYER DO YOU THINK WILL BE A BREAKOUT STAR IN 2013?

Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo (12.1%) and Pirates outfielder Starling Marte (8.8%) got plenty of votes. But those who like Bruce Rondon (7.7%) come with the most interesting commentary. The Tigers' 22-year-old fireballing reliever has batters lined up who aren't interested in facing him. "Normally you don't want a rookie closer," says a veteran reliever. "But Rondon is scary nasty. He's as good as the legends about him throwing 104."

Does he get called back up at some point? He was just dropped in my league.

The answer to this depends on 1. how the committee does and 2. how Rondon does in the minors. If the committee fails to blow a save and/or Rondon continues to be wild in the minors, they will obviously have no reason to make a change.

They drafted him to be the closer and he will get that shot again at some point. Whether its this month, next month, 2nd half of the season, September or next year is anyone's guess. Personally, I still think he's the guy to own in Detroit and will be back sooner rather than later, but its obviously just a guess.

Of the guys currently not listed as closer I like Fujikawa, Santos, and Rondon, but this will probably change almost daily as guys start sucking.

I don't think the success or failure of the CBC has anything to do with Rondon. Once he's ready and gets the opportunity, he'll get a look.

They also never drafted him (FA signing) and he was a starter in rookie ball.

How has he pitched since he was sent down?

Their first game is tomorrow

 

[Eephus]

My league doesn't use waivers during the season, so whenever a closer goes down or a change is made, the quickest dork to the keyboard is able to add them. Is this normal or should I propose a change in the waiver process?

Tell Eephus to settle down.

Daily waivers or FAAB is ostensibly fairer, if that's the goal your league wants to achieve. But I think the FCFS race has its place in deep leagues. With new fangled stuff like Twitter and mobile access to league sites, real-time changes are a lot more viable than they used to be back in the days of the telegraph.

 

[Eephus]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

It's already documented how much closers turn over. Finding the next years surprise closers starts with finding guys who have a shot at the job this year. Frieri and Boggs are two guys who have the job right now, a guy "in front" of them that are hurt "bad" and put up good numbers on their own right.

If anything, I think Boggs may a little more pressure from behind him as Rosenthal is viewed as a future closer, while Downs is pretty locked in as a setup man.

Is Rosenthal going to close this year? I'm needing a RP who won't kill my stats and has a good chance at being the closer. Since I drafted none.

Who knows. It's a long season. I've stashed Rosenthal in a Dynasty League because he'll eventually have a more important role and should provide good peripherals in the meantime.

Boggs basically has a one year resume so he's no sure thing to succeed. Mujica could be in the mix as well but he's historically been hurt by the long ball. Motte is the elephant in the room.

 

[QuizGuy66]

My league doesn't use waivers during the season, so whenever a closer goes down or a change is made, the quickest dork to the keyboard is able to add them. Is this normal or should I propose a change in the waiver process?

Tell Eephus to settle down.

Daily waivers or FAAB is ostensibly fairer, if that's the goal your league wants to achieve. But I think the FCFS race has its place in deep leagues. With new fangled stuff like Twitter and mobile access to league sites, real-time changes are a lot more viable than they used to be back in the days of the telegraph.

Yup was able to make a transaction via my mobile phone the other day in my yahoo league. I personally like it better than having to wait on waivers at a set point every single day and having to bid. The guys are on the street, you can sign 'em off the street. (Guys cut do go through a regular waiver process - a successful claim puts you in the back of the waiver priority list)

-QG

 

[INRIhab]

Sorry if this is too team-specific, but it's about relative value of closers so I thought it was fine for this thread:

In a 10-team NL-only keeper, I have League and Grilli while another owner has both backups, Jensen and Melancon. That owner offered me Jensen for Grilli straight up.

I would be hedging away risk at the cost of saves (assuming Grilli performs well). Maybe Jensen also nets me 30 extra Ks and a slightly better ERA/WHIP, and he was $13 at auction so I don't know if I'll keep him at $18 next season. On the whole, Jensen is clearly the better player, but saves are so scarce in an NL-only that I'm not sure if it's worthwhile to hedge rather than bear the risk and ride out Grilli. I could try to trade for Melancon instead, but I'd have to overpay. Should I accept this? Leaning towards yes.

 

[MAC_32]

Sorry if this is too team-specific, but it's about relative value of closers so I thought it was fine for this thread:

In a 10-team NL-only keeper, I have League and Grilli while another owner has both backups, Jensen and Melancon. That owner offered me Jensen for Grilli straight up.

I would be hedging away risk at the cost of saves (assuming Grilli performs well). Maybe Jensen also nets me 30 extra Ks and a slightly better ERA/WHIP, and he was $13 at auction so I don't know if I'll keep him at $18 next season. On the whole, Jensen is clearly the better player, but saves are so scarce in an NL-only that I'm not sure if it's worthwhile to hedge rather than bear the risk and ride out Grilli. I could try to trade for Melancon instead, but I'd have to overpay. Should I accept this? Leaning towards yes.

Do you think it is likely both League and Grilli lose their jobs? Since you bought both I have to imagine you have some level of confidence in them. I'd stay put, wait for the other owner to dump Melancon, pick him up, then hope League still has the job later this month and see if you can deal for Jansen using a position of strength.

It's risky and I don't trust either of them, but you have to roll the dice some to win Only leagues.

 

[Eephus]

Sorry if this is too team-specific, but it's about relative value of closers so I thought it was fine for this thread:

In a 10-team NL-only keeper, I have League and Grilli while another owner has both backups, Jensen and Melancon. That owner offered me Jensen for Grilli straight up.

I would be hedging away risk at the cost of saves (assuming Grilli performs well). Maybe Jensen also nets me 30 extra Ks and a slightly better ERA/WHIP, and he was $13 at auction so I don't know if I'll keep him at $18 next season. On the whole, Jensen is clearly the better player, but saves are so scarce in an NL-only that I'm not sure if it's worthwhile to hedge rather than bear the risk and ride out Grilli. I could try to trade for Melancon instead, but I'd have to overpay. Should I accept this? Leaning towards yes.

Do you think it is likely both League and Grilli lose their jobs? Since you bought both I have to imagine you have some level of confidence in them. I'd stay put, wait for the other owner to dump Melancon, pick him up, then hope League still has the job later this month and see if you can deal for Jansen using a position of strength.

It's risky and I don't trust either of them, but you have to roll the dice some to win Only leagues.

I agree. Keep the guys with the current roles now. At worst you'll bank some SVs.

 

[INRIhab]

Sorry if this is too team-specific, but it's about relative value of closers so I thought it was fine for this thread:

In a 10-team NL-only keeper, I have League and Grilli while another owner has both backups, Jensen and Melancon. That owner offered me Jensen for Grilli straight up.

I would be hedging away risk at the cost of saves (assuming Grilli performs well). Maybe Jensen also nets me 30 extra Ks and a slightly better ERA/WHIP, and he was $13 at auction so I don't know if I'll keep him at $18 next season. On the whole, Jensen is clearly the better player, but saves are so scarce in an NL-only that I'm not sure if it's worthwhile to hedge rather than bear the risk and ride out Grilli. I could try to trade for Melancon instead, but I'd have to overpay. Should I accept this? Leaning towards yes.

Do you think it is likely both League and Grilli lose their jobs? Since you bought both I have to imagine you have some level of confidence in them. I'd stay put, wait for the other owner to dump Melancon, pick him up, then hope League still has the job later this month and see if you can deal for Jansen using a position of strength.

It's risky and I don't trust either of them, but you have to roll the dice some to win Only leagues.

My strategy was to buy a top-tier closer for $18, but every top tier closer went for $20+, and so I ended up with these two dudes for similar total cost.

On the bolded, I have no clue and no one else can really know either, which is why I'm randomly speculating about it on a fantasy football message board

Regarding Brandon League, here's what I know:

League sucked last season on the Mariners. He sucked once he got traded too. Then the Dodgers coaching staff adjusted his mechanics and he was lights out. Then they paid him. Also, Jensen is better than him.

Here's what I don't know about him:

Can League retain the changes that were made to his mechanics? Did the adjustment to mechanics even matter, or was the string of 22 good innings based on random small sample size and uneven September competition? Will he have a long leash due to his contract, or will the Dodgers quickly move to Jensen (I would think that the Dodgers don't care about contract, but maybe I'm wrong)?

Regarding Grilli: Can he retain the 2 MPH gain on his fastball at age 36? Can he maintain the same feel for his slider? Can he pitch well in the ninth?
So many questions, which is why hedging is obviously easiest

 

[MAC_32]

As a Tigers fan I am probably more down on Grilli than anyone, cracking under pressure seems a given, but I can't see how your team is in a better spot to win a title by giving away saves. You made this bed, I think you need to sleep in it. Hope for the best, dig for vulture/injury replacement saves and if another trading opportunity presents itself walk down that route at that time. Can't be giving away a mediocre closer for a good to great handcuff.

 

[sporthenry]

If it is Roto, I probably keep what I have. Odds of both losing it are probably worse than odds of both keeping it and more than likely, at least one keeps it. And even if they lose their jobs, you should be able to stockpile them to start at least. If it is H2H, I'd probably hedge.

 

[dparker713]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

It's already documented how much closers turn over. Finding the next years surprise closers starts with finding guys who have a shot at the job this year. Frieri and Boggs are two guys who have the job right now, a guy "in front" of them that are hurt "bad" and put up good numbers on their own right.

If anything, I think Boggs may a little more pressure from behind him as Rosenthal is viewed as a future closer, while Downs is pretty locked in as a setup man.

Viewed by who as a future closer? Fantasy analysts? I've not seen one report regarding the Cards thinking Rosenthal is a future closer. He came up as a starter and scouting reports seem to indicate he's got a future as a starter. Its just the Cards rotation is full at the moment, but between Garcia's injuries and Jake Westbrook being Jake Westbrook, there should be opportunities in that rotation sooner rather than later. Could they stick him in the closer role if Boggs struggles and Motte's sidelined for a while, sure. But there are no indications that the Cards want to put Rosenthal in the closer role.

 

[dparker713]

Sorry if this is too team-specific, but it's about relative value of closers so I thought it was fine for this thread:

In a 10-team NL-only keeper, I have League and Grilli while another owner has both backups, Jensen and Melancon. That owner offered me Jensen for Grilli straight up.

I would be hedging away risk at the cost of saves (assuming Grilli performs well). Maybe Jensen also nets me 30 extra Ks and a slightly better ERA/WHIP, and he was $13 at auction so I don't know if I'll keep him at $18 next season. On the whole, Jensen is clearly the better player, but saves are so scarce in an NL-only that I'm not sure if it's worthwhile to hedge rather than bear the risk and ride out Grilli. I could try to trade for Melancon instead, but I'd have to overpay. Should I accept this? Leaning towards yes.

Do you think it is likely both League and Grilli lose their jobs? Since you bought both I have to imagine you have some level of confidence in them. I'd stay put, wait for the other owner to dump Melancon, pick him up, then hope League still has the job later this month and see if you can deal for Jansen using a position of strength.

It's risky and I don't trust either of them, but you have to roll the dice some to win Only leagues.

My strategy was to buy a top-tier closer for $18, but every top tier closer went for $20+, and so I ended up with these two dudes for similar total cost.

On the bolded, I have no clue and no one else can really know either, which is why I'm randomly speculating about it on a fantasy football message board

Regarding Brandon League, here's what I know:

League sucked last season on the Mariners. He sucked once he got traded too. Then the Dodgers coaching staff adjusted his mechanics and he was lights out. Then they paid him. Also, Jensen is better than him.

Here's what I don't know about him:

Can League retain the changes that were made to his mechanics? Did the adjustment to mechanics even matter, or was the string of 22 good innings based on random small sample size and uneven September competition? Will he have a long leash due to his contract, or will the Dodgers quickly move to Jensen (I would think that the Dodgers don't care about contract, but maybe I'm wrong)?

Regarding Grilli: Can he retain the 2 MPH gain on his fastball at age 36? Can he maintain the same feel for his slider? Can he pitch well in the ninth?
So many questions, which is why hedging is obviously easiest

Here's what you know, you have 2 guys with the closer role in an NL only league. There is no way the peripherals of ANY setup guy are good enough to overcome the saves deficit. Also, just because Kenley went for $13 doesn't mean he's worth that, especially now that Opening Day has arrived and Grilli still has a job while Kenley remains a setup guy.

If you want to lock up the Dodgers and improve your peripherals, that's a perfectly legitimate strategy. But you'd be significantly overpaying in the trade as proposed.

 

[Eephus]

While it was nice to see both Frieri and Fujikawa pay instant dividends, I'm not sure it changes that much. Sveum said Marmol is still closer and you have to imagine they'll do their best to showcase him for a trade. No idea why they didn't try to trade him in the offseason but I suspect they'll continue to trot out Marmol. Frieri should have a good start but if he has any hiccups that could open it up for Madson. It'll be interesting though if Frieri starts hot because I'm not sure how they'll demote him at that point.

Madson hasnt played baseball since the 2011 season and is still experiencing discomfort from surgery he had a year ago. He hasnt even begun throwing a baseball yet because every time he does, he experiences another setback. Hard to imagine him being a factor in the closing situation any time soon, if ever.

It's already documented how much closers turn over. Finding the next years surprise closers starts with finding guys who have a shot at the job this year. Frieri and Boggs are two guys who have the job right now, a guy "in front" of them that are hurt "bad" and put up good numbers on their own right.

If anything, I think Boggs may a little more pressure from behind him as Rosenthal is viewed as a future closer, while Downs is pretty locked in as a setup man.

Viewed by who as a future closer? Fantasy analysts? I've not seen one report regarding the Cards thinking Rosenthal is a future closer. He came up as a starter and scouting reports seem to indicate he's got a future as a starter. Its just the Cards rotation is full at the moment, but between Garcia's injuries and Jake Westbrook being Jake Westbrook, there should be opportunities in that rotation sooner rather than later. Could they stick him in the closer role if Boggs struggles and Motte's sidelined for a while, sure. But there are no indications that the Cards want to put Rosenthal in the closer role.

The Cardinals decided his short term future is in the bullpen. Joe Kelly would be the first man into the rotation if one of the current five is shelved. Rosenthal could be a starter this year but it would take three weeks in the minors to stretch him out for that role. Until that happens, he's arguably got a better shot at being a closer in 2012. Both are longshots but it's a long season.

 

[Eephus]

No Coke, Pepsi

 

[Eephus]

I don't understand the reluctance to use a real bullpen-by-committee. As a fantasy owner, I hate it but as a baseball fan, I like the idea of teams trying to solve a problem differently.

Platoon splits are real and there's an trend toward using relief pitchers to maximize that advantage--except in the 9th inning. Jim Leyland has used a committee approach before in Pittsburgh with some success. Stan Belinda was tough on RHB but was hittable against LHB. Leyland used Bob Patterson and even Bob Kipper when the situation called for it. RHP Bill Landrum was in the mix as well. I know the line that players like defined roles but I think most big league pitchers would like the opportunity to be on the mound for out #27.

 

[Eephus]

Bad outing in a non-save situation for John Axford

 

[Statorama]

I don't understand the reluctance to use a real bullpen-by-committee. As a fantasy owner, I hate it but as a baseball fan, I like the idea of teams trying to solve a problem differently.

Platoon splits are real and there's an trend toward using relief pitchers to maximize that advantage--except in the 9th inning. Jim Leyland has used a committee approach before in Pittsburgh with some success. Stan Belinda was tough on RHB but was hittable against LHB. Leyland used Bob Patterson and even Bob Kipper when the situation called for it. RHP Bill Landrum was in the mix as well. I know the line that players like defined roles but I think most big league pitchers would like the opportunity to be on the mound for out #27.

When Theo Epstien tried this with the Red Sox, it was a huge failure.

 

[Eephus]

I don't understand the reluctance to use a real bullpen-by-committee. As a fantasy owner, I hate it but as a baseball fan, I like the idea of teams trying to solve a problem differently.

Platoon splits are real and there's an trend toward using relief pitchers to maximize that advantage--except in the 9th inning. Jim Leyland has used a committee approach before in Pittsburgh with some success. Stan Belinda was tough on RHB but was hittable against LHB. Leyland used Bob Patterson and even Bob Kipper when the situation called for it. RHP Bill Landrum was in the mix as well. I know the line that players like defined roles but I think most big league pitchers would like the opportunity to be on the mound for out #27.

When Theo Epstien tried this with the Red Sox, it was a huge failure.

This never happened. In the four pre-Papelbon years that Epstein ran the Red Sox, there was a total of two SV recorded by LHP (both by Alan Embree).