2013 Hot Stove & Capella's Fabulous Cornhole Thread (1 Viewer)

[Annyong]

The Cardinals are so stupid

Why?

Must not have caught my sarcasm. I just hate the Cardinals.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Tanaka deadline is this Friday.

 

[shadyridr]

Tanaka deadline is this Friday.

id be stunned if he doesn't sign with the dodgers. They have the most money and he wants to play on the west coast

 

[Wrigley]

Tanaka deadline is this Friday.

id be stunned if he doesn't sign with the dodgers. They have the most money and he wants to play on the west coast

Big market teams really starting to stick it to the little man.

 

[dparker713]

Tanaka deadline is this Friday.

id be stunned if he doesn't sign with the dodgers. They have the most money and he wants to play on the west coast

Big market teams really starting to stick it to the little man.

The Cubs are only the little man because of themselves.

 

[Wrigley]

Tanaka deadline is this Friday.

id be stunned if he doesn't sign with the dodgers. They have the most money and he wants to play on the west coast

Big market teams really starting to stick it to the little man.

The Cubs are only the little man because of themselves.

Pretty sure I didn't mention the Cubs.

I'm a firm believer that baseball would be better off if everyone played the same game.

 

[Billy Bats]

Jon Heyman: Bobby abreu is headed back the phillies after agreeing to deal

3:07pm - 21 Jan 14



This is now officially a circus in Philly.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

He's doing well in Venezuela, but i can't imagine he's going to get to anything in the field. Maybe a nice signing for a low-payroll AL club where he can DH and be an emergency last-gasp OF, but I'm sure Philly could do better.

 

[Eephus]

42 year old Alex Cabrera tore up the Venezuelan winter league slashing .391/.480/.744 with 21 HRs in 59 games. He hasn't played in the US since 2000 and was mentioned in the Mitchell Report but I'm surprised some MLB team hasn't brought him in as a NRI.

 

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NOT BUSTER OLNEY @trippingolneyENTIRELY POSSIBLE THAT THE YANKEES ACCIDENTALLY READ "TOMKO" AS "TANAKA" AND OFFERED BRETT TOMKO $120 MILLION.



Bruce Levine @mlbbrucelevinePrice for Tanaka-Bidding teams in for at least 6 or 7 years .Price will be at or above $20 million a year.

Derek L @derekscurveballTanaka will announce his decision at 7pm eastern US time. 9am Japan time. Who will it be? #Yankees#Dodgers #Cubs. Hearing it will be NYY

David Kaplan @thekapmanTanaka took extensive physical in LA in early Jan. However, teams involved should know in next 24-48 hrs. Contract must be done by 5p Friday

 

[dparker713]

Tanaka deadline is this Friday.

id be stunned if he doesn't sign with the dodgers. They have the most money and he wants to play on the west coast

Big market teams really starting to stick it to the little man.

The Cubs are only the little man because of themselves.

Pretty sure I didn't mention the Cubs.

I'm a firm believer that baseball would be better off if everyone played the same game.

I agree. The DH needs to be abolished.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Torres was a beast out of the pen last year eh Cappy?

You'll like Forsythe, then he'll mysteriously lose it for 6 games and go 2-25. A very versatile guy though (2nd/3rd) and won't kill you at short in small doses either.

Hopefully a good swap for both teams.

 

[Premier]

Torres was a beast out of the pen last year eh Cappy?

You'll like Forsythe, then he'll mysteriously lose it for 6 games and go 2-25. A very versatile guy though (2nd/3rd) and won't kill you at short in small doses either.

Hopefully a good swap for both teams.

Yea I don't get this trade at all. I don't know anything about Forsythe though. Torres was exceptional last year but he's had command problems all throughout his minor league career. I have to imagine they think those will linger.

Odd trade. I bet there's more to it.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Torres was a beast out of the pen last year eh Cappy?

You'll like Forsythe, then he'll mysteriously lose it for 6 games and go 2-25. A very versatile guy though (2nd/3rd) and won't kill you at short in small doses either.

Hopefully a good swap for both teams.

Yea I don't get this trade at all. I don't know anything about Forsythe though. Torres was exceptional last year but he's had command problems all throughout his minor league career. I have to imagine they think those will linger.

Odd trade. I bet there's more to it.

Guys over here think we bought high on Torres and sold low on Forsythe. Some of that is just general distrust/hate for Josh Byrnes though.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Torres was a beast out of the pen last year eh Cappy?

You'll like Forsythe, then he'll mysteriously lose it for 6 games and go 2-25. A very versatile guy though (2nd/3rd) and won't kill you at short in small doses either.

Hopefully a good swap for both teams.

Yea I don't get this trade at all. I don't know anything about Forsythe though. Torres was exceptional last year but he's had command problems all throughout his minor league career. I have to imagine they think those will linger. Odd trade. I bet there's more to it.

The more I read about Torres, the more I get the poor mans Oliver Perez feeling.

I've had that nightmare before. Ugh.....

 

[Don Quixote]

Ken Rosenthal‏@Ken_Rosenthal2 mins

BREAKING: Tanaka to #Yankees, seven years, $155M, opt-out after fourth year.

 

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Derek L @derekscurveballTanaka will announce his decision at 7pm eastern US time. 9am Japan time. Who will it be? #Yankees#Dodgers #Cubs. Hearing it will be NYY

points awarded.

 

[shadyridr]

Ken Rosenthal‏@Ken_Rosenthal2 mins

BREAKING: Tanaka to #Yankees, seven years, $155M, opt-out after fourth year.

Clearly an overpay but Yankees had no choice.

 

[Eephus]

Tanaka's split finger will be better with Brendan Ryan at SS.

 

[Hilts]

Ken Rosenthal‏@Ken_Rosenthal2 mins

BREAKING: Tanaka to #Yankees, seven years, $155M, opt-out after fourth year.

Clearly an overpay but Yankees had no choice.

They could have gone after Ubaldo, Garza, Santana.

 

[dparker713]

Damn, now I have to root for him to fail.

 

[Eephus]

Ken Rosenthal‏@Ken_Rosenthal2 mins

BREAKING: Tanaka to #Yankees, seven years, $155M, opt-out after fourth year.

Clearly an overpay but Yankees had no choice.

They could have gone after Ubaldo, Garza, Santana.

Tanaka is younger and doesn't cost a compensation pick. Time will tell about the rest.

 

[the moops]

so much for staying under the tax threshold. who else do they sign now? drew? Garza?

 

[Eephus]

The Oakland Athletics continued their impressive offseason run on Wednesday, signing free-agent left-handed reliever Eric O’Flaherty to a two-year, $7 million contract, according to major league sources.

O’Flaherty, who turns 29 on Feb. 5, underwent Tommy John surgery and is not expected to be available until July. But he could be a candidate to be the Athletics’ closer in 2015 if the team does not re-sign righty Jim Johnson, and his deal includes performance bonuses that could push the total value to approximately $10 million, sources said.

Interesting. He's been very effective when healthy but comes with more risk than the average off-season signing.

 

[rodg12]

The Oakland Athletics continued their impressive offseason run on Wednesday, signing free-agent left-handed reliever Eric O’Flaherty to a two-year, $7 million contract, according to major league sources.

O’Flaherty, who turns 29 on Feb. 5, underwent Tommy John surgery and is not expected to be available until July. But he could be a candidate to be the Athletics’ closer in 2015 if the team does not re-sign righty Jim Johnson, and his deal includes performance bonuses that could push the total value to approximately $10 million, sources said.

Interesting. He's been very effective when healthy but comes with more risk than the average off-season signing.

Really surprised he got that much money. Just goes to show that the teams are flush with it.

 

[Wrigley]

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[Baloney Sandwich]

25M a year for 7 years? That seems crazy for a guy that has thrown a ton of innings for his age that will have to adjust to throwing a larger baseball. Should be a solid 3rd starter though.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

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The logic underlying this meme is pretty dumb.

I don't see the need for a year and a half of O'Flaherty, but there are a lot of lefties in the AL West who can crush.

 

[Eephus]

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The logic underlying this meme is pretty dumb.

I don't see the need for a year and a half of O'Flaherty, but there are a lot of lefties in the AL West who can crush.

O'Flaherty, Doolittle, Gregerson, Cook and Johnson is a pretty deep pen if...

 

[Good Posting Judge]

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The logic underlying this meme is pretty dumb.

I don't see the need for a year and a half of O'Flaherty, but there are a lot of lefties in the AL West who can crush.

O'Flaherty, Doolittle, Gregerson, Cook and Johnson is a pretty deep pen if...

Chavez and Otero, too. And possibly Pomeranz, depending on where he ends up. Certainly a lot of options.

 

[shadyridr]

Ken Rosenthal‏@Ken_Rosenthal2 mins

BREAKING: Tanaka to #Yankees, seven years, $155M, opt-out after fourth year.

Clearly an overpay but Yankees had no choice.

They could have gone after Ubaldo, Garza, Santana.

Those guys are all older and have much worse potential.

 

[shadyridr]

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thats kind of dumb. One was a 10 yr contract for a 30 yr old. the Other is a 7 yr contract for a 25 yr old. They lost cano but added 3 big bats (hopefully effectively replacing him). Without Tanaka their pitching would have been awful. Yanks may have been a last place team without Tanaka. Now they are a WC contender IMO.

 

[Eephus]

Sometimes the shark move is the obvious one. The Yankees have an old lineup that badly needs an upgrade to their starting pitching. They have lots of money but few other assets to acquire talent. They can't afford to give up compensation picks if they want to rebuild (build?) their farm system. The CBA prevents them from going overslot to sign amateurs. Tanaka costs them a lot of money but nothing else.

International free agents is the one area that most favors big market clubs. Maybe this loophole gets closed in the future but for now it's good news for NPB, Cubans and Dominican teenagers.

 

[Premier]

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thats kind of dumb. One was a 10 yr contract for a 30 yr old. the Other is a 7 yr contract for a 25 yr old. They lost cano but added 3 big bats (hopefully effectively replacing him). Without Tanaka their pitching would have been awful. Yanks may have been a last place team without Tanaka. Now they are a WC contender IMO.

What is he, a ####ing 15 win player? Come on.

 

[shadyridr]

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thats kind of dumb. One was a 10 yr contract for a 30 yr old. the Other is a 7 yr contract for a 25 yr old. They lost cano but added 3 big bats (hopefully effectively replacing him). Without Tanaka their pitching would have been awful. Yanks may have been a last place team without Tanaka. Now they are a WC contender IMO.

What is he, a ####ing 15 win player? Come on.

What are you talking about? Without Tanaka they are probably competing with Toronto for 4th place. With him theyre in the WC mix. Do you disagree with that statement?

The Yanks #4 & 5 starter before Tanaka was Phelps and Pineda if healthy or Vidal Sassoon Nuno

 

[RnR]

You'll have to excuse Shady. WAR wasn't covered in his 15 minute tour of Cooperstown.

 

[Premier]

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thats kind of dumb. One was a 10 yr contract for a 30 yr old. the Other is a 7 yr contract for a 25 yr old. They lost cano but added 3 big bats (hopefully effectively replacing him). Without Tanaka their pitching would have been awful. Yanks may have been a last place team without Tanaka. Now they are a WC contender IMO.

What is he, a ####ing 15 win player? Come on.

What are you talking about? Without Tanaka they are probably competing with Toronto for 4th place. With him theyre in the WC mix. Do you disagree with that statement?The Yanks #4 & 5 starter before Tanaka was Phelps and Pineda if healthy or Vidal Sassoon Nuno

The difference between last place and the wild card last year was 18 wins. Between 4th and WC was 7. This guy isn't going to close either gap. He's probably a 3 win pitcher.

 

[shadyridr]

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thats kind of dumb. One was a 10 yr contract for a 30 yr old. the Other is a 7 yr contract for a 25 yr old. They lost cano but added 3 big bats (hopefully effectively replacing him). Without Tanaka their pitching would have been awful. Yanks may have been a last place team without Tanaka. Now they are a WC contender IMO.

What is he, a ####ing 15 win player? Come on.

What are you talking about? Without Tanaka they are probably competing with Toronto for 4th place. With him theyre in the WC mix. Do you disagree with that statement?The Yanks #4 & 5 starter before Tanaka was Phelps and Pineda if healthy or Vidal Sassoon Nuno

The difference between last place and the wild card last year was 18 wins. Between 4th and WC was 7. This guy isn't going to close either gap. He's probably a 3 win pitcher.

fair enough. Didnt realize the Jays finished that far out of first. I think theyll be more competitive this year.

 

[Wrigley]

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thats kind of dumb. One was a 10 yr contract for a 30 yr old. the Other is a 7 yr contract for a 25 yr old. They lost cano but added 3 big bats (hopefully effectively replacing him). Without Tanaka their pitching would have been awful. Yanks may have been a last place team without Tanaka. Now they are a WC contender IMO.

What is he, a ####ing 15 win player? Come on.

What are you talking about? Without Tanaka they are probably competing with Toronto for 4th place. With him theyre in the WC mix. Do you disagree with that statement?

my link

thats kind of dumb. One was a 10 yr contract for a 30 yr old. the Other is a 7 yr contract for a 25 yr old. They lost cano but added 3 big bats (hopefully effectively replacing him). Without Tanaka their pitching would have been awful. Yanks may have been a last place team without Tanaka. Now they are a WC contender IMO.

The 3 "large bats" are all over 30, and Beltran is 36

This team is still old

 

[shadyridr]

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thats kind of dumb. One was a 10 yr contract for a 30 yr old. the Other is a 7 yr contract for a 25 yr old. They lost cano but added 3 big bats (hopefully effectively replacing him). Without Tanaka their pitching would have been awful. Yanks may have been a last place team without Tanaka. Now they are a WC contender IMO.

What is he, a ####ing 15 win player? Come on.

What are you talking about? Without Tanaka they are probably competing with Toronto for 4th place. With him theyre in the WC mix. Do you disagree with that statement?

my link

thats kind of dumb. One was a 10 yr contract for a 30 yr old. the Other is a 7 yr contract for a 25 yr old. They lost cano but added 3 big bats (hopefully effectively replacing him). Without Tanaka their pitching would have been awful. Yanks may have been a last place team without Tanaka. Now they are a WC contender IMO.

The 3 "large bats" are all over 30, and Beltran is 36

This team is still old

without a doubt. I never said otherwise

 

[Eephus]

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thats kind of dumb. One was a 10 yr contract for a 30 yr old. the Other is a 7 yr contract for a 25 yr old. They lost cano but added 3 big bats (hopefully effectively replacing him). Without Tanaka their pitching would have been awful. Yanks may have been a last place team without Tanaka. Now they are a WC contender IMO.

What is he, a ####ing 15 win player? Come on.

What are you talking about? Without Tanaka they are probably competing with Toronto for 4th place. With him theyre in the WC mix. Do you disagree with that statement?The Yanks #4 & 5 starter before Tanaka was Phelps and Pineda if healthy or Vidal Sassoon Nuno

The difference between last place and the wild card last year was 18 wins. Between 4th and WC was 7. This guy isn't going to close either gap. He's probably a 3 win pitcher.

You also need to consider the possible negative WAR of the replacement SP5 they'd have to use instead of Tanaka.

 

[shadyridr]

You'll have to excuse Shady. WAR wasn't covered in his 15 minute tour of Cooperstown.

I know all about WAR. Im a math nerd. I never claimed Tanaka was a 15 win player. The difference between Tanaka and Vidal Nuno is probably 5-7 wins

 

[Eephus]

You'll have to excuse Shady. WAR wasn't covered in his 15 minute tour of Cooperstown.

I know all about WAR. Im a math nerd. I never claimed Tanaka was a 15 win player. The difference between Tanaka and Vidal Nuno is probably 5-7 wins

if you extrapolate Nuno's 2013 WAR over 200 IP, he becomes a 7 win player.

 

[shadyridr]

You'll have to excuse Shady. WAR wasn't covered in his 15 minute tour of Cooperstown.

I know all about WAR. Im a math nerd. I never claimed Tanaka was a 15 win player. The difference between Tanaka and Vidal Nuno is probably 5-7 wins

if you extrapolate Nuno's 2013 WAR over 200 IP, he becomes a 7 win player.

Yeah he had a few good starts. Id say that was probably a fluke due to a SSS. Not saying hes a negative WAR player I just dont think hes any good either.

 

[Somebody]

IIRC there is an out option after 4 years.

 

[Eephus]

The Red Sox sign Grady Sizemore to a one-year major league deal for $750K. Incentives can increase that to $6M.

Good luck to all concerned.

 

[Eephus]

The Red Sox signed Grady Sizemore to a one-year major league deal worth $750K. With incentives, that can grow to $6M.

It's hard to see this working out but a team like Boston can afford the risk better than most.

 

[RnR]

Working on multiple approaches to the Sizemore angle, or did you just forget that you posted three minutes earlier? #oldmanproblems

 

[Eephus]

Working on multiple approaches to the Sizemore angle, or did you just forget that you posted three minutes earlier? #oldmanproblems

Developing

 

[the moops]

Surprised he got a major league deal. He has less than 500 PA in the past 4 years. And he plays the same position and bats from the same side as one of their top prospects in Bradley. Guess he is insurance to Bradley completely falling flat.

Must be nice to be able to toss almost a million dollars at someone like him