*** 2013 NFL Scouting Combine Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[3C's]

Steve Williams, CB Cal 4.25 smokin

2nd run coming soon.

 

[IHEARTFF]

What did Desmond Trufant run?

4.31, running 2nd 40 right now...4.38 2nd run. Probably a late first early 2nd rounder. Some nice CBs in this class.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Kenny Vaccaro, the top safety, just finished 4.59 & 4.63.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Kenny Vaccaro, the top safety, just finished 4.59 & 4.63.

Not if Cyprien betters those times.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Xavier Rhodes ran a pair of 4.41's.That's gotta excite some teams.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Milliner ran a 4.31 40 in his first attempt and then hit a 4.37 in his second attempt.

 

[gump]

Dee Milliner could go #1 and it wouldn't be a bad pick. He's basically a lock to be a shutdown corner.

Nobody is a lock to be a shutdown CB, they're rare in the NFL.

He's not a lock, but he's almost assuredly going to be an elite corner. His floor is pretty high as well. I think having a great corner is becoming more important in today's passing heavy league. I think he is just as worthy of the #1 pick as anyone.Know who else was 6'1" and 198? Deion Sanders.

Lock-Elite, it's the same term to me. Does Milliner have a chance? Sure. Lock/Elite, no. No player is a lock, too many busts. Then add in the NFL rules with passing not in his favor, Alabama CB's haven't had a great track record, and he has a shoulder issue. I'll take the under if Elite is his floor.

So if he went to a different school he might make a better draft pick?

Maybe he thinks that the talent Alabama has had in the front 7 (and there has been a ton lately) makes the DB's look better than they really are.

Recent track record is deceiving. Kareem Jackson was not an outstanding player in college....he vaulted up to the first round based on his measurables and the system he played in. Dre Kirkpatrick made one 2nd team AA before leaving early and was drafted top 10 based on the same....but he was nowhere near as good on the field as Milliner. Dee was on everyone's first team AA and dominated on the field. He'll be the first DB under Saban who is getting drafted on performance and measurables.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Florida S Matt Elam ran an unofficial forty of 4.46, with a 10 yard split of 1.61 seconds, at the NFL Combine.

 

[Concept Coop]

Florida S Matt Elam ran an unofficial forty of 4.46, with a 10 yard split of 1.61 seconds, at the NFL Combine.

Love this kid. One of only a few who showed up to the Sugar Bowl. Man's man.

 

[rascal]

Williams from 4.25 to 4.42?

 

[GregR]

Unofficial 40 time for that Eisen kid out of Michigan: 6.03

 

[Xue]

Some smart team will make him the next Jimmy Graham Taylor Thompson.

D-lineman at SMU who's never played TE?

Ignorant statement. Seriously? Uh..Jimmy Graham barely played TE at Miami. Hunt has way better measurables than Taylor Thompson, and is on par with Jimmy Graham. He swats field goals like it's nothing. That takes leaping ability AND hand/eye coordination. Taylor Thompson is more in the mold of a Gronk-type. I would argue that Taylor Thompson would probably be a better a DE prospect than Hunt because he isn't as high-center.

 

[Xue]

How does Margus Hunt not get drafted in the first on potential alone? dallasnews.com He is the only player big enough and fast enough to cover Gronk (just kidding).

Some smart team will make him the next Jimmy Graham.

A smarter man might try to add 20 pounds and make him some version of a JJ Watt. He does not need to covering TEs nor trying to catching passes. he fluid for 6'8" guy not fuid to running around down field. Given his kick blocking prowess probably can be taught the time of blocking passes.

And how much of an impact do blocked passes have on the game?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

And how much of an impact do blocked passes have on the game?

For real?

 

[Faust]

Not saying elite is his floor, but that he is unlikely to bust and that is key. His floor is probably a decent corner who starts for 4-5 years. His ceiling is Deion. He played thru the shoulder injury this season. Showed his toughness. The only real question about him was his speed and he just shut the door on that bigtime.

His ceiling is that he could be the best of all time?

There will never be another Deion, except maybe Leon Sandcastle. Maybe I am overrating his potential, but yeah I think he can become the top CB in the league if he fulfills his potential. Anyway, I feel like you guys don't agree with me so let's talk about some other guys instead.Despite the 4 bench reps, Tyrann Mathieu is having a very nice combine. 4.43 40, looks good in drills, and Deion gave him a thumbs up for character based on his interview.

Milliner isn't catching the ball well. Mathieu is more of a football player than an underwear olympics champion. He has smooth hips and great ball skills. He will be a great slot CB at the next level.

Leon Sandcastle runs 4.2 40-yard dash

 

[Faust]

Ziggy Ansah solidifies status as top-15 pick; Margus Hunt shines

 

[Faust]

@jwyattsportsThe "Honey Badger" did 4 reps in the bench press

Lol

Tyrann Mathieu knows bench press needs to improve

 

[GroveDiesel]

If there isn't a QB chosen by the time we get to the #10 pick, there might not be one picked until round 2.

It wouldn't surprise me if a team or two packaged their 2nd and couple other picks to move into late 1st to get the QB they prefer.

I agree. The going price last year to move from the early 2nd to late first was a 4th rounder. Seems like a reasonable price to pay to make sure to get the QB you want without spending a top 10 pick for him.

 

[Faust]

How does Margus Hunt not get drafted in the first on potential alone? dallasnews.com He is the only player big enough and fast enough to cover Gronk (just kidding).

Some smart team will make him the next Jimmy Graham.

A smarter man might try to add 20 pounds and make him some version of a JJ Watt. He does not need to covering TEs nor trying to catching passes. he fluid for 6'8" guy not fuid to running around down field. Given his kick blocking prowess probably can be taught the time of blocking passes.

Margus Hunt 'talk of town' at NFL Scouting Combine

 

[Faust]

Kenny Vaccaro, the top safety, just finished 4.59 & 4.63.

Not if Cyprien betters those times.

I thought his times in the 40 would have been a factor, but apparently not:Kenny Vaccaro's slow 40 unlikely to hurt draft stock

 

[Faust]

Darius Slay impresses, Johnthan Banks struggles in 40

 

[GroveDiesel]

I'll be honest, after hearing so many experts talk about how the combine results don't really have a huge effect on teams' rankings and to be wary of the talk of big risers and fallers, it's a little amusing/wearying to keep reading all the Twitter junk and garbage ESPN/SI articles acting as if the 40 numbers are determining draft slots to such a huge degree. And this talk of Tyler Bray suddenly being some superstar? Come on folks, his tape is what matters.The two biggest factors at the combine are barely even touched on unless something is leaked. The interviews and medical checks are MUCH bigger factors than 40 times and bench press reps.

 

[Faust]

How did this draft's Tight Ends rank at the combine?

Tony Villiotti of Draftmetrics.com analyzes historical combine scores by position

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I'll be honest, after hearing so many experts talk about how the combine results don't really have a huge effect on teams' rankings and to be wary of the talk of big risers and fallers, it's a little amusing/wearying to keep reading all the Twitter junk and garbage ESPN/SI articles acting as if the 40 numbers are determining draft slots to such a huge degree. And this talk of Tyler Bray suddenly being some superstar? Come on folks, his tape is what matters.The two biggest factors at the combine are barely even touched on unless something is leaked. The interviews and medical checks are MUCH bigger factors than 40 times and bench press reps.

That's why Patterson's rise is a bit dubious to me.

 

[Faust]

More questions

Manti Te’o’s 40-yard dash time wasn’t the problem on Monday. It’s what he said afterward that should be a concern

 

[Faust]

Video Link:

Scout's Take: NFL Scouting Combine Day 4

 

[identikit]

Sorry if this was posted in here already:Gil Brandt @Gil_BrandtTexas A&M RB Christine Michael was a rockstar @ #NFLCombine, a top performer in 5 events. The bad: He overslept and missed 2 team interviewsOY

 

[Faust]

2013 NFL Combine: Tyrann Mathieu questions to continue

 

[Faust]

2013 NFL Draft: Milliner, Amerson rise to occasion, Banks falls back

 

[Faust]

2013 NFL Combine: Defensive backs make case for deepest position

 

[Faust]

Dee Milliner, Tyrann Mathieu among defensive backs who shined

 

[Drop]

Anyone know Milliner's catch % during combine drills?

 

[3C's]

Anyone know Milliner's catch % during combine drills?

1% No idea. Maybe 50%. Early on seemed like quite a few drops. Not as bad towards the end.

 

[Drop]

I'll rewatch it and count Milliner's catches. http://www.nfl.com/combine/live - All the NFL.com combine live coverage (both feeds, all 4 days) NFL.com leaves this up until next year's combine startsI am currently looking for a nice clean printable combine results table if anyone knows of one please post a link.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Anyone know Milliner's catch % during combine drills?

thats why he plays defense, maybe he needs glasses?

 

[cstu]

Sorry if this was posted in here already:Gil Brandt @Gil_BrandtTexas A&M RB Christine Michael was a rockstar @ #NFLCombine, a top performer in 5 events. The bad: He overslept and missed 2 team interviewsOY

Every year there's one of these guys. At least he didn't get arrested for something.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Christine is a guys name now?

 

[moondog]

Christine is a guys name now?

He pronounces it like Chris - ten not Chris - tine.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Christine is a guys name now?

He pronounces it like Chris - ten not Chris - tine.

You mean like Kristin?

 

[coolnerd]

How does Margus Hunt not get drafted in the first on potential alone? dallasnews.com He is the only player big enough and fast enough to cover Gronk (just kidding).

Some smart team will make him the next Jimmy Graham.

A smarter man might try to add 20 pounds and make him some version of a JJ Watt. He does not need to covering TEs nor trying to catching passes. he fluid for 6'8" guy not fuid to running around down field. Given his kick blocking prowess probably can be taught the time of blocking passes.

Just for the sake of Fairness some link I saw on the guy claims that some teams are thinking about TE fence swing because he has only been an average DLman.

 

[cstu]

Christine is a guys name now?

He pronounces it like Chris - ten not Chris - tine.

You mean like Kristin?

 

[Faust]

Sorry if this was posted in here already:Gil Brandt @Gil_BrandtTexas A&M RB Christine Michael was a rockstar @ #NFLCombine, a top performer in 5 events. The bad: He overslept and missed 2 team interviewsOY

Every year there's one of these guys. At least he didn't get arrested for something.

For a player that is trying to shake the perception that he is a problem child, this wasn't a particularly bright move.

 

[Faust]

NFL team asks Colorado's Nick Kasa: 'Do you like girls?'

 

[Faust]

Tyrann Mathieu says he could cover Calvin Johnson

 

[Faust]

NFL Scouting Combine: 7 big takeawaysBy Gregg Rosenthal Around The League Editor

Tuesday was all about the escape from Indianapolis. After six days at the NFL Scouting Combine, I saw scores of weary assistant coaches, head coaches, and personnel men going through security at the airport in anticipation of seeing their families again.It was a whirlwind week as always: You can check out our daily ATL recaps right here for Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday. Before we totally move on, I wanted to give some final big-picture thoughts here.Since our great scouts like Bucky Brooks and Daniel Jeremiah have the college players covered, these takeaways will be more about the game behind the game:1. I went into the week thinking the San Francisco 49ers would be lucky to get a late-round pick for Alex Smith. I left Indianapolis thinking that Smith was on the cusp of being traded. On Wednesday, it became all but official with Jay Glazer's report. Smith went to the Kansas City Chiefs for a second-round pick in 2013 and a conditional pick in 2014. The weak rookie class helped this deal get done. So did the weak free-agent class. It all came together perfectly for Smith and the 49ers.2. The three-day negotiating window before free agency starts hasn't slowed down tampering. I spoke to two agents that both said they planned to have deals verbally agreed to before that negotiating period even starts on March 9. Free agency officially starts at March 12. Teams are now allowed to negotiate for three days and trade paperwork before March 12.There was skepticism that window would matter. Teams will be afraid to put numbers on paper too early for fear that deals will be shopped around as a starting point for other teams' negotiations. The larger gap between the combine and the start of free agency did slow down concrete deals getting done in Indianapolis. 3. There were suggestions that there will be more veteran trades because of the flat salary cap and limited cap room available. That includes veteran-for-veteran trades. I hope that's true, but I've heard it before. And the NFL rarely has many trades.4. The Miami Dolphins were a hot topic of conversation. Cornerback Sean Smith is fully expected to test the free-agent waters. Defensive tackle Randy Starks sounds likely to get the franchise tag. GM Jeff Ireland is in a contract year and has a lot of cap space available to try to save his job. Expect the Dolphins to be very active. They could go after a big-name wide receiver and possibly one of the good tight ends (Fred Davis? Dustin Keller?) that are on the market.5. The cornerbacks are probably going to get big money. Smith, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and Aqib Talib are good enough players that might get paid like great players. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Nnamdi Asomugha get a surprisingly generous short-term deal.6. The depth of the running back market won't help anyone get paid. There's not a lot separating Steven Jackson, Reggie Bush, Rashard Mendenhall and Ahmad Bradshaw. Other names like Michael Turner, Felix Jones, Danny Woodhead and LaRod Stephens-Howling will all find roles. There's no need to pay good money at the position. 7. Mike Wallace is going to be very, very rich. I don't see why he can't get Vincent Jackson money or better. That will especially be true if Dwayne Bowe and/or Greg Jennings get the franchise tag. If you're going through Combine withdrawal or were offline during the weekend, some of the interviews I recorded this weekend: Cincinnati Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, Dallas Cowboys coach Jason Garrett, Jacksonville Jaguars GM David Caldwell, Jaguars coach Gus Bradley, and SI.com's Peter King.

 

[cstu]

Tyrann Mathieu says he could cover Calvin Johnson

 

[Faust]

Margus Hunt, Tavon Austin create stir at NFL Scouting Combine

By Bucky Brooks

Analyst, NFL.com and NFL Network

INDIANAPOLIS -- Scouts and coaches will tell you that most evaluators leave the NFL Scouting Combine with more questions than answers after watching top prospects work out for four days in Indianapolis.

With a little bit of time to reflect on the happenings at Lucas Oil Stadium, here are some answers to a few prominent questions in my mind:

1) Who helped himself the most?

Margus Hunt, DE, SMU: Hunt put himself squarely on the radar of scouts after turning in sensational marks in the 40-yard dash (4.60 seconds), vertical jump (34.5 inches), broad jump (10-foot-1) and bench press (38 reps). He also displayed outstanding movement skills, agility and body control in positional drills, leading some scouts to believe he can develop into an immediate-impact player as a five-technique (a defensive end in a 3-4).

Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia: Austin, who also had a remarkable workout, likewise deserves mention. His 4.34 40 answered questions about his speed, while a superb positional workout showcased his hands and receiving skills. Given his overall explosiveness, Austin is worth considering at the bottom of the first round.

2) Who went in the wrong direction?

Damontre Moore, DT, Texas A&M: Moore had arguably the worst combine of any prospect in attendance, posting a disappointing 12 reps in the bench press and barely cracking the five-second mark in the 40-yard dash. Additionally, he reportedly came off as immature and unprepared in interviews with scouts and coaches. With so much riding on his performance in Indianapolis, Moore likely torpedoed his chances of coming off the board with one of the first five picks.

3) Which prospect/team match do I feel confident about?

Dee Milliner and the Detroit Lions: Team executives will wax poetic about taking the best available player, but most teams actually try to fill their biggest needs. A lack of solid secondary play should lead the Lions to take Milliner in the first round. Not only is he the best cornerback in the draft, but he certainly is worthy of a top-five selection (Detroit holds the No. 5 pick), based on his immense talent and potential.

4) Who is facing the most pro-day pressure?

Matt Barkley, QB, USC: Barkley reportedly shined in interviews with scouts and coaches, but he didn't throw, meaning he must dazzle evaluators with his physical skills at his pro day. He must display exceptional arm strength and impress with his accuracy and ball placement. Additionally, Barkley will need to meet the standard measurements in a battery of agility tests to prove he is athletic enough to effectively play quarterback as a pro. If Barkley steps up to the challenge in all aspects, he definitely could earn a spot in the first round as the second quarterback taken off the board.

5) Who emerged as a Day 2 value pick for April's draft?

Terron Armstead, OT, Arkansas-Pine Bluff: Most of the pre-draft attention is focused on the first round, but general managers and scouts quickly will tell you that championship teams also find integral pieces in the second and third rounds. Armstead is the guy to watch, based on his strong play at college all-star games, as well as his fabulous showing at the combine (highlighted by a 4.71 40 at 306 pounds). He is an extremely athletic edge blocker with the size, strength and agility to be a solid starter at right tackle or offensive guard as a pro.

 

[Faust]

Combine notes: Tyrann Mathieu presents a puzzle for NFL teams

 

[Faust]

Video Link:

Studs and duds at 2013 NFL Scouting Combine

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Tyrann Mathieu says he could cover Calvin Johnson

Maybe he meant someone as good as Calvin Johnson -- Titus Young?