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*** 2013 Official Pittsburgh Steelers Off & ON Season Thread *** (2 Viewers)

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Collier: No excuse for this awful performance
September 8, 2013 8:34 pm
By Gene Collier / Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

There is substantial inherent risk in trying to explain the inexplicable, but on an NFL Sunday when the Steelers set perhaps the perpetual standard for misadventures in risk management, the official explanation for a season-opening loss to the non-descript Tennessee Titans was perfectly preposterous.

Operating with a fully formed game plan for the first time this summer, the Todd Haley offense toppled like a doomed Jenga tower when a backup offensive lineman who was to be deployed as a tight end had to play center for most of the game.

"We had a big package with [Kelvin] Beachum at tight end, like you saw in preseason," said wideout Jerricho Cotchery, who scored the only Steelers touchdown after about 90 percent of Heinz Field had emptied in evident revulsion. "So now with [Maurkice] Pouncey out, he's got to go to center, so that takes out some plays, but at the end of the day, you have to adjust. Injuries happen.

"Coaches tell us all the time, the next man has to be ready to go in. Whatever package is going to be yelled, we have to get the job done."

So Cotchery stopped well short of asking where the adjustments were from the sidelines, from upstairs, from the guys who are always preaching responsibility.

"Our plan could have been better under the circumstances," said Mike Tomlin, who lost his first home opener after six consecutive successes. "Obviously, we had intended on using Kelvin Beachum some at tight end. When he had to go in at center, that changed. We didn't adjust well enough. I take responsibility for that."

The head coach needn't beat himself up, because all the way up and down the football operation the Steelers have mismanaged the tight end and running backs situation so severely that their battle plans are either transparent or nonsensical.

Sunday they celebrated nine consecutive regular-season games without a 100-yard rusher and, to properly mark the occasion, they went the full 60 minutes Sunday without so much as a 20-yard rusher.

They had no rushing first downs, the Steelers.

Let me just type that again to see if my keyboard jams.

The Pittsburgh Steelers had no rushing first downs.

I saw Jerome Bettis in the hallway behind the press box right after the game. For some reason, he was not weeping.

"We just didn't get enough going with any of the backs," Tomlin said. "The game circumstances dictated that we do some things, no-huddle and so forth. [Felix Jones] has been here for a short period of time. That maybe had an effect on our utilization of him, particularly down the stretch. But just largely [on the running backs], not good enough."

Technically, it's not correct to say Tomlin got nothing from his backs, because he got something - namely the worst performance in memory going back to at least 1989 and the Tim Worley-fueled 51-0 beating by the Browns, also in a home opener.

Starter Isaac Redman's output: 8 carries, 9 yards, 2 fumbles (1 into the end zone for a turnover), 1 missed block leading to a Zach Brown sack of Ben Roethlisberger.

Leading rusher LaRod Stephens-Howling (19 yards on six carries) also blew a blocking assignment that led to a Brown sack. Jones, signed because management had an uneasy suspicion the running backs cupboard was bare with top pick Le'Veon Bell hobbling, somehow did not warrant so much as one handoff Sunday. Last year's leading rusher, Jonathan Dwyer, was released only nine days ago.

But let's be fair: The passing game stunk as well.

"I don't make excuses," said Roethlisberger, preparing to bite off a series of short sentences that matched Haley's pass routes. "It just wasn't good enough. No excuses. I didn't play good enough. Not good enough, point blank."

This all came against a defense that allowed more points than any team in the league a year ago, a defense that finished 26th against the pass, a defense that Sunday failed to reinforce the gospel that as long as the Steelers have Roethlisberger around, they'll be competitive.

The Titans were perfectly willing to help, falling behind faster than probably any team in football history - three seconds. They were behind, 2-0, when their return man Darius Reynaud returned the opening kickoff to his own end zone and took a knee. Ironically, at that point, the Steelers were on pace to win 2,400-0.

Didn't hold up, just like everything else. Just like Pouncey's knee and Larry Foote's biceps and a fleet of other Steelers body parts that went to the sideline in a 2013 season that opened with over-the-top violence.

Injuries happen, mistakes get made, but not too many game plans come apart because of a displaced backup offensive lineman, just like not too many teams would set up in a spread formation from the opponent's 4 and whip a flat pass to Isaac Redman because not one of the wideouts is in the end zone.

Of all the elements of this opener that were so theatrically bad, none was a demonstrably awful as the Steelers coaching, but the responsibility for 0-1 splashed in every direction.

Gene Collier: gcollier@post-gazette.com.

First Published September 8, 2013 8:34 pm
 
Awful performance and devastating injuries. I would like to say that it can't get any worse but I have a terrible feeling that it is going to get much worse.

That being said, this was one game and this is the NFL so anything can happen. You usually aren't as good as you think you are after a big win or as bad as you think you are after a horrible loss.

However the one thing we did know before the season started is that this team did not have depth and could not absorb many injuries. Now they have lost Pouncey, Foote and LSH for the season after only the first game. That is just brutal...

 
@DavidMTodd: According to Steelers beat writer Ed Bouchette on Twitter, the Steelers will re-sign RB Jonathan Dwyer with LaRod... http://t.co/eJsWwG45jT
Not a fitting replacement for LSH but at least he knows the offense -- I guess at this point not many options.

Bell better get healthy soon and Jones become more familiar with the offense cause we know that Redman & Dwyer are not the answer unless the question is "Who is going to fumble the ball?".

 
Get rid of tomlin & haley NOW!!!!!!!!!!! they are a joke. Cant wait to hear tomlin's rehearsed BS press conference this week.
Seriously? I am just as disappointed as anyone but firing HC and OC after week 1 is ridiculous.
Agreed but the wheels need to be set in motion to get rid of Haley.
If the Steelers continue down the road they are on now you are going to get your wish with Haley. I think Tomlin has at least another season or two before he would be fired.

 
Also heard that Suisham was hurt, and the Steelers "might" look at bringing another kicker in. I guess thats why he squibbed kick that kickoff. Heard this on The Fan this AM with Bouchette.

 
The Haley thing seemed like a bad idea from the outset, but you have to stick with it at this point

My concern is the talent on offense. I am just not sure it is there.The Bell injury hurts for sure, but a team's best hope for an offensive threat should not be a rookie 2nd round draft pick.

 
OK, so it's definitely very premature for this question but ill ask anyway. What do the Steelers do if they get the #1 overall pick? Add Clowney even though it may not be the ideal fit for his skill set? Draft Bridgewater and let him develop behind Ben? Other, maybe Mathews or Kouandjio at T?

 
Also heard that Suisham was hurt, and the Steelers "might" look at bringing another kicker in. I guess thats why he squibbed kick that kickoff. Heard this on The Fan this AM with Bouchette.
:doh:

Bring in Kickalicious

 
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The Haley thing seemed like a bad idea from the outset, but you have to stick with it at this point
IMO the decision-making in Pittsburgh has been off for a few years now and the organization just feels like it's in decay or something. (I've said this before here -- not just piling on after the fact.) Though the magnitude of the suck yesterday was still a surprise.

Has something changed in terms of the front office since 2008/9 or so?

 
The Haley thing seemed like a bad idea from the outset, but you have to stick with it at this point
IMO the decision-making in Pittsburgh has been off for a few years now and the organization just feels like it's in decay or something. (I've said this before here -- not just piling on after the fact.) Though the magnitude of the suck yesterday was still a surprise.

Has something changed in terms of the front office since 2008/9 or so?
Off the top of my head, Art Rooney JR has taken more control of the team since Dan Rooney went to Ireland to become ambassador (he has since returned)

 
Just don't see how they have could not have addressed so many needs for that long. It ain't all injuries. But it's obvious they will hit bottom this year. If you can't run, and you don't have time to pass, you've got big problems in the NFL. Will be one of the bottom 5 scoring teams in the league.

 
Just don't see how they have could not have addressed so many needs for that long. It ain't all injuries. But it's obvious they will hit bottom this year. If you can't run, and you don't have time to pass, you've got big problems in the NFL. Will be one of the bottom 5 scoring teams in the league.
The most pressing need has been on the offensive line and they tried to draft accordingly. Unfortunately the players drafted have been hampered with injuries and the bad luck continued yesterday.

The Steelers looked horrible yesterday and there does not appear to be much room for optimism but it still was only 1 game.

 
Just don't see how they have could not have addressed so many needs for that long. It ain't all injuries. But it's obvious they will hit bottom this year. If you can't run, and you don't have time to pass, you've got big problems in the NFL. Will be one of the bottom 5 scoring teams in the league.
You're talking Oline here. Of their 5 starters there's 2 1st rounders and 2 2nd rounders. They've certainly attempted to address the situation. LG Foster was an UDFA but he's not the problem. RT Gilbert seems like he's gotten worse with time. LT Adams and RG DeCastro are still pretty much rookies.

To answer an earlier question about who they'd pick if they had a very early or #1 overall. No way it would be Clowney. I would hope it would be a "franchise" LT like Kouandjio, Lewan or Mathews. Move Adams to the right and sit Gilbert. Would love someone like Bridgewater though.

 
Steelers replace Pouncey with Fernando Velasco

Posted by Darin Gantt on September 9, 2013, 2:49 PM EDT
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The Steelers won’t be able to adequately replace center Maurkice Pouncey, who was lost for the season with a knee injury in yesterday’s opener.

But all things considered, they did about as well as they could.

According to Adam Caplan of TheSidelineView.com, the Steelers are signing former Titans starter Fernando Velasco to a one-year deal.

Velasco started all 16 games for the Titans last year, but lost his job to free agent pickup Rob Turner, as the Titans remade the middle of their line.

Velasco’s not a world-beater but he is a solid pickup, and being able to get someone with any degree of recent experience after rosters are settled is a bonus.

 
Steelers replace Pouncey with Fernando Velasco

Posted by Darin Gantt on September 9, 2013, 2:49 PM EDT

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AP

The Steelers won’t be able to adequately replace center Maurkice Pouncey, who was lost for the season with a knee injury in yesterday’s opener.

But all things considered, they did about as well as they could.

According to Adam Caplan of TheSidelineView.com, the Steelers are signing former Titans starter Fernando Velasco to a one-year deal.

Velasco started all 16 games for the Titans last year, but lost his job to free agent pickup Rob Turner, as the Titans remade the middle of their line.

Velasco’s not a world-beater but he is a solid pickup, and being able to get someone with any degree of recent experience after rosters are settled is a bonus.
Ok, that's not bad.

 
Steelers replace Pouncey with Fernando Velasco

Posted by Darin Gantt on September 9, 2013, 2:49 PM EDT
300x-21.jpg
AP

The Steelers won’t be able to adequately replace center Maurkice Pouncey, who was lost for the season with a knee injury in yesterday’s opener.

But all things considered, they did about as well as they could.

According to Adam Caplan of TheSidelineView.com, the Steelers are signing former Titans starter Fernando Velasco to a one-year deal.

Velasco started all 16 games for the Titans last year, but lost his job to free agent pickup Rob Turner, as the Titans remade the middle of their line.

Velasco’s not a world-beater but he is a solid pickup, and being able to get someone with any degree of recent experience after rosters are settled is a bonus.
This is good news. The guys a veteran.

Let's try to be optimistic here. The O Line is going to get better. I think De Castro deserved his high draft pick and will prove it. I think Adams will end up being pretty good. And when they get Heath Miller back, then we'll see the real Steelers. They're a better team than they showed yesterday.

 
Pro Football Focus ‏@PFF 20m

New Steelers center Fernando Velasco was our 11th ranked center last year. Solid player thoguh he did struggle during preseason.
Should fit in well then ;) .

Seriously this guy seems like the best we could hope for and hopefully he can pick up the offense very quickly. It probably makes sense to dumb down the playbook a little for a few weeks anyway.

 
Get rid of tomlin & haley NOW!!!!!!!!!!! they are a joke. Cant wait to hear tomlin's rehearsed BS press conference this week.
Im honestly just ready to put you on ignore between the Pirates thread and this. All you post is 2 sentence overreactions in every post, and I cant say Im expecting much either after seeing yesterdays game.

 
The Haley thing seemed like a bad idea from the outset, but you have to stick with it at this point

My concern is the talent on offense. I am just not sure it is there.The Bell injury hurts for sure, but a team's best hope for an offensive threat should not be a rookie 2nd round draft pick.
I think its there at QB and WR, RB remains to be seen with Bell. The OL is still very sub-par though, but as others have said they havent ignored that fact via the draft at all the last few years.

 
I don't have a problem with people calling for Haley's head. ZBS is the definition of ill-defined for this unit.
Really? I don't know which techniques are best suited for players so I'm not arguing, but I thought I heard/read that the ZBS was a good fit for these guys.
 
I don't have a problem with people calling for Haley's head. ZBS is the definition of ill-defined for this unit.
Really? I don't know which techniques are best suited for players so I'm not arguing, but I thought I heard/read that the ZBS was a good fit for these guys.
I have no idea either. There is going to be a learning curve anytime you bring in something new. The real problem is that we can't seem to keep anyone on the line healthy for more than a few games. The amount of shuffling the Steelers have been doing with the o-line for the past 3 or 4 years has been mind-boggling.

What I am about to say may sound like idiocy but it won't be the first time I have done so but here goes: I think the injury to Pouncey may not be fatal as people think. I don't know much about Valesco and I realize we are replacing an all-pro center with a guy who was wearing street clothes last week but we have been down this road before with (or should I say without) Pouncey.

Back in 2010, when the Steelers were making their last run to the Super Bowl, Pouncey got injured and Legursky filled in and there wasn't an obvious drop-off in the offense. I am not saying the Pouncey injury doesn't hurt because it obviously does but perhaps if Valesco isn't complete garbage then maybe there won't be that much of a drop off.

I know that I am probably whistling past the graveyard but I really don't want to lose all hope one game into the season...

 
I don't have a problem with people calling for Haley's head. ZBS is the definition of ill-defined for this unit.
Really? I don't know which techniques are best suited for players so I'm not arguing, but I thought I heard/read that the ZBS was a good fit for these guys.
I have no idea either. There is going to be a learning curve anytime you bring in something new. The real problem is that we can't seem to keep anyone on the line healthy for more than a few games. The amount of shuffling the Steelers have been doing with the o-line for the past 3 or 4 years has been mind-boggling.

What I am about to say may sound like idiocy but it won't be the first time I have done so but here goes: I think the injury to Pouncey may not be fatal as people think. I don't know much about Valesco and I realize we are replacing an all-pro center with a guy who was wearing street clothes last week but we have been down this road before with (or should I say without) Pouncey.

Back in 2010, when the Steelers were making their last run to the Super Bowl, Pouncey got injured and Legursky filled in and there wasn't an obvious drop-off in the offense. I am not saying the Pouncey injury doesn't hurt because it obviously does but perhaps if Valesco isn't complete garbage then maybe there won't be that much of a drop off.

I know that I am probably whistling past the graveyard but I really don't want to lose all hope one game into the season...
Pretty good breakdown on Velasco. http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/09/a-look-at-new-steelers-c-fernando-velasco/

 
I don't have a problem with people calling for Haley's head. ZBS is the definition of ill-defined for this unit.
Really? I don't know which techniques are best suited for players so I'm not arguing, but I thought I heard/read that the ZBS was a good fit for these guys.
I have no idea either. There is going to be a learning curve anytime you bring in something new. The real problem is that we can't seem to keep anyone on the line healthy for more than a few games. The amount of shuffling the Steelers have been doing with the o-line for the past 3 or 4 years has been mind-boggling.

What I am about to say may sound like idiocy but it won't be the first time I have done so but here goes: I think the injury to Pouncey may not be fatal as people think. I don't know much about Valesco and I realize we are replacing an all-pro center with a guy who was wearing street clothes last week but we have been down this road before with (or should I say without) Pouncey.

Back in 2010, when the Steelers were making their last run to the Super Bowl, Pouncey got injured and Legursky filled in and there wasn't an obvious drop-off in the offense. I am not saying the Pouncey injury doesn't hurt because it obviously does but perhaps if Valesco isn't complete garbage then maybe there won't be that much of a drop off.

I know that I am probably whistling past the graveyard but I really don't want to lose all hope one game into the season...
I may be in the minority and will probably be ridiculed for saying so, but IMO, Pouncey is one of the most over-rated players I have seen in a Steeler uniform in a while. Don't get me wrong, he's pretty good, but I never thought he was pro-bowl material. Never understood why he keeps making the AFC team, unless there is a big time shortage of good centers in the AFC.

 
I don't have a problem with people calling for Haley's head. ZBS is the definition of ill-defined for this unit.
Really? I don't know which techniques are best suited for players so I'm not arguing, but I thought I heard/read that the ZBS was a good fit for these guys.
I have no idea either. There is going to be a learning curve anytime you bring in something new. The real problem is that we can't seem to keep anyone on the line healthy for more than a few games. The amount of shuffling the Steelers have been doing with the o-line for the past 3 or 4 years has been mind-boggling.

What I am about to say may sound like idiocy but it won't be the first time I have done so but here goes: I think the injury to Pouncey may not be fatal as people think. I don't know much about Valesco and I realize we are replacing an all-pro center with a guy who was wearing street clothes last week but we have been down this road before with (or should I say without) Pouncey.

Back in 2010, when the Steelers were making their last run to the Super Bowl, Pouncey got injured and Legursky filled in and there wasn't an obvious drop-off in the offense. I am not saying the Pouncey injury doesn't hurt because it obviously does but perhaps if Valesco isn't complete garbage then maybe there won't be that much of a drop off.

I know that I am probably whistling past the graveyard but I really don't want to lose all hope one game into the season...
I may be in the minority and will probably be ridiculed for saying so, but IMO, Pouncey is one of the most over-rated players I have seen in a Steeler uniform in a while. Don't get me wrong, he's pretty good, but I never thought he was pro-bowl material. Never understood why he keeps making the AFC team, unless there is a big time shortage of good centers in the AFC.
He's good for sure but Pro Bowl is as much a popularity contest as anything. Seems like if Velasco can play up to the level he did last year there won't really be a drop at the position.

 
I don't have a problem with people calling for Haley's head. ZBS is the definition of ill-defined for this unit.
Really? I don't know which techniques are best suited for players so I'm not arguing, but I thought I heard/read that the ZBS was a good fit for these guys.
I have no idea either. There is going to be a learning curve anytime you bring in something new. The real problem is that we can't seem to keep anyone on the line healthy for more than a few games. The amount of shuffling the Steelers have been doing with the o-line for the past 3 or 4 years has been mind-boggling.

What I am about to say may sound like idiocy but it won't be the first time I have done so but here goes: I think the injury to Pouncey may not be fatal as people think. I don't know much about Valesco and I realize we are replacing an all-pro center with a guy who was wearing street clothes last week but we have been down this road before with (or should I say without) Pouncey.

Back in 2010, when the Steelers were making their last run to the Super Bowl, Pouncey got injured and Legursky filled in and there wasn't an obvious drop-off in the offense. I am not saying the Pouncey injury doesn't hurt because it obviously does but perhaps if Valesco isn't complete garbage then maybe there won't be that much of a drop off.

I know that I am probably whistling past the graveyard but I really don't want to lose all hope one game into the season...
I may be in the minority and will probably be ridiculed for saying so, but IMO, Pouncey is one of the most over-rated players I have seen in a Steeler uniform in a while. Don't get me wrong, he's pretty good, but I never thought he was pro-bowl material. Never understood why he keeps making the AFC team, unless there is a big time shortage of good centers in the AFC.
I agree to an extent. I feel like he had a really good rookie year, and has lived off that/his name/being a 1st round Center since.

I like the Velasco pickup, but really the biggest problem still is that we have no OL depth to speak of.

 
Apparently (for now) Beachum will start at center week 2.
I think this changes before kickoff. The Steelers need Beechum to help at TE and he really isn't a center anyway. They'll get Valesco up to speed ASAP and unless he really struggles in practice he is going to start. Having the extra day doesn't hurt either.

 
Apparently (for now) Beachum will start at center week 2.
I think this changes before kickoff. The Steelers need Beechum to help at TE and he really isn't a center anyway. They'll get Valesco up to speed ASAP and unless he really struggles in practice he is going to start. Having the extra day doesn't hurt either.
My thoughts exactly. Beachum could become a good center over time (his size is probably better suited to interior vs outside) but he's not quite there now.

 
I don't have a problem with people calling for Haley's head. ZBS is the definition of ill-defined for this unit.
Really? I don't know which techniques are best suited for players so I'm not arguing, but I thought I heard/read that the ZBS was a good fit for these guys.
I have no idea either. There is going to be a learning curve anytime you bring in something new. The real problem is that we can't seem to keep anyone on the line healthy for more than a few games. The amount of shuffling the Steelers have been doing with the o-line for the past 3 or 4 years has been mind-boggling.
ZBS works best with quicker, more athletic linemen, I think, right? and it seems like the Steelers have mostly huge guys on the line who are not quite as quick (?)

 
Godsbrother said:
3C said:
Apparently (for now) Beachum will start at center week 2.
I think this changes before kickoff. The Steelers need Beechum to help at TE and he really isn't a center anyway. They'll get Valesco up to speed ASAP and unless he really struggles in practice he is going to start. Having the extra day doesn't hurt either.
Never thought I'd hear the day when an OL was needed more at TE than C --... but this statement is very TRUE

 
uh oh...Dale Lolley ‏@dlolleyor 8m

Reports now out there that Le'Veon Bell has a Lis Franc injury.
Wasn't that the original report? I know there was optimism that Bell could be back sooner but it appears he probably won't be back until after the bye.
They've avoided saying he had a Lisfranc and most reports sounded like he'd be back soon. New reports sound like another month or so.

Running back Le'Veon Bell has expressed optimism publicly that he will make a quick return to the field from his mid-foot sprain. Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin has refused to rule Bell out for Week 2.

In reality, Bell is expected to miss a great deal more of time.

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reported Wednesday that the Steelers are hoping to have Bell return in a month. This is not a surprise. NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported in late August that Bell would likely miss around six weeks with a Lisfranc sprain in his foot.

Tomlin disputed the Lisfranc diagnosis publicly at first, but the Tribune-Review confirms Rapoport's original report on the issue.
 
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Jarvis hinting that he is the starter for Monday night. D needs to create some turnovers so maybe this will help. No news on Cortez since they're not required to file a practice report today.

 

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