Godsbrother
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That's great news if true. I hope that I heard wrong
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*** 2013 Official Pittsburgh Steelers Off & ON Season Thread *** (2 Viewers)
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Hated that we matched the Patsies and didnt get the 3rd round pick then, its even more apparent that was a bad move now. Cotch is capable enough on the outside, I think Wheaties can already handle being WR3, and in this scenario Moye would be seeing more snaps which could possibly be a good thing.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
The change would make sense. Im not so sure about Woodley or Jarvis as 4-3 OLBs though, and their pass rushing ability/chances would definitely be decreased. I definitely would make sense for the line. I think either if not both of Ziggy and Heyward could play DT in a 4-3.
Clowney is a prototypical 4-3 DE, and obviously a stud. As I believe I said upthread though, I have a feeling Steelers will be like the Pirates and be awful, but not so awful they can land Bryce Harper or Strasburg in those respective drafts, ie in this case Clowney or Bridgewater.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Steelers supposedly close to a deal with Cardinals to acquire OT Levin Brown.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/02/report-steelers-cards-working-on-levi-brown-deal/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/02/report-steelers-cards-working-on-levi-brown-deal/
The Hank
Footballguy
Deal done per Ian Rapport -- compensation not known yet.
My guess? It may involve Isaac Redman
The Hank
Footballguy
Also, hopefully they kick Beachum inside at LG too -- the whole left side of the line needs reworked IMHO.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Hank
Footballguy
I doubt it -- they have a nice stable of WR's (Fitzgerald/Floyd/Roberts); but I've been wrong before!
The Hank
Footballguy
Bad - Arizona notorious for having a bad line. PFW has MIke Adams as #68 ranked OL, Levi Brown at #60; small upgrade I guess? Maybe a change of scenery will do Brown some good - he is a despised man out there (lived in AZ for a few years).
Other T news, Max Starks is now available though! Ben can dust off his #78 practice jersey!
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Saw Max play last week with the Rams -- looked fat and slow. I think he is done.
As for the Levi Brown move if it doesn't cost much then it is worth a shot. Perhaps a change in scenery will help.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Woodley and Jarvis would never be OLBs in a 4-3, they'd be playing hand on the ground as DEs. Wouldn't preclude drafting Clowney, though - you can never have enough pass rushers. I think Heyward and Hood would work just fine as 3-tech DTs, especially Hood.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
One thing is for sure about the Levi Brown trade: he won't be wearing #75 for the Steelers...
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Levi Brown?
LEVI F@$@#%ING BROWN?
Shoot me now.
LEVI F@$@#%ING BROWN?
Shoot me now.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Woodley certainly could play LDE in a 4-3. Guy is strong as hell when he's 100%. Thought that was his best spot when he left Michigan and still think he could be great there. Was a bad, bad man vs. the run with his hand in the dirt.
Jones? No way he puts his hand on the ground, IMO. He's never really done it consistently, that I recall, and he can actually make plays in coverage. Would be wasting him, in a sense.
Hood is better suited to be playing UT for sure. I just wonder how effective he'd be against the run. He gets washed out of a lot of plays now playing outside.
As far as the switch, though, unless they dump LeBeau AND Butler(who was basically assured he was the next DC in Pitt when he was re-signed) the 3-4 ain't going anywhere. LeBeau's the architect of the Fire Zone and Butler is his disciple. Can't feature they'd go away from what they know.
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Copeman
Footballguy
I don't understand this Levi Brown move one bit. Other than depth, and crappy depth to boot, I don't see what this could possibly add to the Steelers. If he's here just one year, which he most certainly will be, that is killing the developmental time for Adams. And he freakin needs it.
I'm not only losing faith in the Steeler players, but I'm now losing faith in the Steelers front office. Never thought that day would come.
I'm not only losing faith in the Steeler players, but I'm now losing faith in the Steelers front office. Never thought that day would come.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Brown to LT and Adams to RT then where he is more natural?
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Love getting Levi Brown for a kindle of kicking nets.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I don't think they will be moving Gilbert from RT. Assuming Brown picks up the offense quickly enough I think Adams rides the pine.
Copeman
Footballguy
Yikes. Never have I thought that old Steeler faithful would say this is a decent deal, that there is nothing wrong with it. The Steelers just traded for one of the worst tackles in the league, after having a very high draft pick not play well very early in his career. I know his play and the offensive line play as a whole isn't good right now. But there are many other more pressing needs for them right now. This season is a wash. At least give Adams more time to adapt/play better. The Steelers have "patience" with their head coaches. They need to do the same with the players, especially young ones with very good pedigrees and with the team starting out at 0-4 and the season pretty much done.
Again: the Steelers just traded for one of the worst tackles in the league. Let that sink in.
Again: the Steelers just traded for one of the worst tackles in the league. Let that sink in.
Blick
Footballguy
This isn't really unlike signing Max Starks from his couch in past years. The bottom line is that the Steelers have drafted very poorly the last several years. Now its catching up with them.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
It is not just a matter of poor drafting -- New England hasn't drafted all that well either. It is a combination of bad drafting, devastating injuries and a bad salary cap situation (some of their good draft picks are playing elsewhere because of this).
The season probably is a wash but as bad as they've played they are only 2 games behind with 12 games left, 5 of them within the division. I doubt they can turn it around but the other teams in the division haven't looked all that great. I would be pretty disappointed if the Steelers just gave up after 4 games into the season.
No one is saying that Levi Brown is the next Larry Brown. He may be no better than Adams at pass protection but if it helps the running game that would be an improvement. If he sucks then put Adams back in there -- you haven't really lost anything.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
The Hank
Footballguy
Can we get the new OL guy in there and try to gel w/a bit of practice?
-Can't get much worse so we should see improvement.
Will Bell help?
-He's clearly better running. We'll see where his brain is at. At least some step up. That opens up the offense at every position.
Can the D get better?
No - they are old and slow. We can stop the run at the point and the short passing game. But speed kills us. Anyone who can get the RB in space or throw down field and we are toast.
Time to rebuild.
-Can't get much worse so we should see improvement.
Will Bell help?
-He's clearly better running. We'll see where his brain is at. At least some step up. That opens up the offense at every position.
Can the D get better?
No - they are old and slow. We can stop the run at the point and the short passing game. But speed kills us. Anyone who can get the RB in space or throw down field and we are toast.
Time to rebuild.
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
Tomlin said today that Cam Heyward will be start over Ziggy. Levi Brown & Beachum both working at LT.
Steelers next 3 out of 4 games are on the road: @NYJ, BAL, @OAK, @NE. None of those games look like gimmes to me.
Steelers next 3 out of 4 games are on the road: @NYJ, BAL, @OAK, @NE. None of those games look like gimmes to me.
Other than Jax at home, what game would be a gimme?
That Jets D-Line was dominant last night. Atlanta o-line isn't good, but neither are the Steelers. I thought the Jets game was an easy win weeks ago, thinking Ben may get killed now.
Hoping they find a way to re-group over the bye.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
This was the point I was trying to make. I could very easily see the Steelers being 0-8 or 1-7 through the first half of the season. Yikes.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Bill Simmons floated an interesting thought a week or so ago...
Houston offers Schaub and a 1st rounder in next year's draft for Roethlisberger. Do the Steelers listen?
Schaub is signed for 3 more years at $50M ttl, otherwise I think they might. (Ben has 2 years at $35M if they don't restructure, which I assume they will this offseason.)
Houston offers Schaub and a 1st rounder in next year's draft for Roethlisberger. Do the Steelers listen?
Schaub is signed for 3 more years at $50M ttl, otherwise I think they might. (Ben has 2 years at $35M if they don't restructure, which I assume they will this offseason.)
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Schaub is a statue compared to Ben, I doubt he would last 4 games. I would rather have more picks than Schaub.
I can't see trading Ben. Franchise QB's don't grow on trees. Drafting a QB even at 1 overall is no guarantee. Plus you would have to completely blow up your roster and give up on competing.
Plus there is probably no way either team's caps would allow this. There is a reason why trades rarely happen in the NFL.
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36th Chamber
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Idiot Boxer
Footballguy
Probably just a pick 6Drunken Cowboy said:
HEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Maybe your opinion has changed in the last week but all of this talk about Clowney as a first round top 10 pick is just nuts to me. Yeah he was awesome last year and everyone remembers that hit on Michigan. What has he done this year besides getting blown up most of the game, complain about getting double teamed, and now getting "injured" and I do that in quotes because most people aren't sure how injured he really is?
If you want to take a 2nd or 3rd round on him like the Honey Badger then great but this team needs a running back, about 3 or 4 linemen, and probably another receiver.
Not only are we 0-4 but we are a bad 0-4.
That means no more talk of contending or get in and hope or etc.
Every position should be up for sale including QB and Head Coach.
We will take action at some point - sooner is better.
Ben is rotting away and worth big $$ right now.
That means no more talk of contending or get in and hope or etc.
Every position should be up for sale including QB and Head Coach.
We will take action at some point - sooner is better.
Ben is rotting away and worth big $$ right now.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
The steelers aren't trading away anybody this season or going to tank for picks. They're going to try to compete. They'll mostly fail, but I can see Heath being back making a difference postivity. The line can only get better 6-10 probably coming though, maybe 7-9, but tough to see over .500 ball rest of way.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Honestly, all I can do is
at this post.Despite his season so far, everyone still seems to consider him a likely #1 overall pick, over any QB, etc. If the Steelers can get him at say #4 or #5 overall, its a slam dunk steal like Jarvis Jones was.
