Rotoworld is saying he is expected to be ready to play week 11. So likely 3-4 games away.
In related news...the Lions released Scheffler Tuesday. Moeacki already know the system, but he's still a ways out.
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*** 2013 Official Pittsburgh Steelers Off & ON Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)
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In related news...the Lions released Scheffler Tuesday. Moeacki already know the system, but he's still a ways out.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
36th Chamber
Footballguy
Sounds like the Redskin fans' that say "we are right where we want to be".......sitting on a 2-4 record
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Well I was starting to think maybe this season was salvageable but the door to winning the division has certainly been slammed shut, so at this point lose lose lose and get the high draft pick.
3C's
Footballguy
Having to use your backup to the backup to the backup LG could have something to do with how things played out. That plus two missed easily makeable field goals and another defensive lapse (plus some key drops at bad times by Miller and Brown). Foster started and got hurt, was replaced by Whimper who got hurt, was replaced by Wallace who slid over to the right when DeCastro got hurt and Beachum moved to LG with Adams going back to LT. Line was already a mess and if Foster doesn't get clearance to return from the concussion and both or either of DeCastro and Whimper are out, they have to call up PS guys. Might as well call more guys off the street.
Think they should end the Zoltan experiment and bring Butler back. Hopefully their MVP Suisham doesn't go into a funk now.
Bring on the #5 pick and Jake Matthews!
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I agree with you about the offensive line injury issues but the funny thing is the offense played better as the game went on.
Way too many mistakes for this bad team to overcome. Heath and Antonio in particular had bad days which was out of character for them. The play calling in the red zone has been atrocious. Sure the missed field goals really hurt but it shouldn't always have to come down to Suisham. I think it would be interesting to just let Ben call of the plays for a game and see what happens.
The bottom line is this team just wasn't ready to play at kickoff and looked like absolute garbage in the 1st half. You would think a 2-4 team that is trying to crawl back into a playoff race would have more focus. That is on both the coaching staff and the players.
Oh and you are absolutely correct about Zoltan.He blows and I have no idea what the Steelers saw in him that made him look like such an upgrade over Butler.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Lamaar Woodley is a big fat POS that stole a lot of money from this team.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I don't post often, why am I not allowed to vent? Woodley has done nothing since he got his extension. I didn't like Bruce Arians but there is no definition on offense now. He didn't pretend he wanted to be a running team when he wanted to throw the ball. I think Bell has a solid future and I understand the line is decimated but they have been skimping on OLine for years now. It was bad in week 1 when they had to play a backup TE at Center. It just shows how grossly underprepared this team was in the creation of the depth chart. Issac Redman has no place in the NFL and they were operating on barebones TE's before Heath's return, and they ended up having to rely on a RB they cut in preseason early in the year. I know hindsight is 20/20 but the Steelers have always been a team where the next guy is ready to step in. Perhaps there was a reason Cowher wanted more personnel control because they have really lost their way when it comes to having a dynamic roster across the board.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I can't argue with a single thing you said here and you are entitled to vent if you want. Woodley has defnitely underperformed but he isn't alone and there is plenty of blame to go around. I just think calling him a POS is a little harsh.
3C's
Footballguy
Not sure how he's a POS. He was injured parts of the last 2 seasons. This year, he has 5 sacks and double digit qb hurries (about the same as TSuggs). Low tackle numbers but he's never had high tackle numbers and that's not really the role of his position. If he had some help on the other side (consistent pressure) like he used to get with Harrison there he'd easily have double digit sacks this year. As it is he might get there anyway.
This was a pretty good breakdown after 5 games. "In fact, he is off to the best start of his career, and is on pace to have his most productive season as a pass rusher." http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/10/lamarr-woodley-re-establishing-himself-as-an-elite-pass-rusher/
This was a pretty good breakdown after 5 games. "In fact, he is off to the best start of his career, and is on pace to have his most productive season as a pass rusher." http://www.steelersdepot.com/2013/10/lamarr-woodley-re-establishing-himself-as-an-elite-pass-rusher/
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3C's
Footballguy
Sure you can.
They have 2 1st rounders and 2 second rounders on the Oline. That's not "skimping". The "backup TE" who played center isn't a TE. He's a mulitposition Olineman who was playing TE to add beef to the line, since they were basically out of TE's. Heath was hurt but expected back. They signed Spaeth, then he got hurt in camp. They had DJ but he was coming back from an ACL. They have Paulson who is a decent pass catcher but not a blocker. They signed some scrubs to fill in...not like there are superstar TE's sitting out there on the waiver wire. The RB they signed (Dwyer) had issues unrelated to on the field performance (fumbles might have had a role too). They couldn't have planned for LSH to get hurt in the first game. Bell was expected to come back after a few games so they had to save his roster spot. Funny how Redman was serviceable and could be counted on for positive yards but now he has "no place in the NFL". Pretty sure Tomlin has a say in roster spots just as Cowher did.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
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Franknbeans
Footballguy
the team is woefully unprepared to play on a weekly basis. I don't know how that doesn't reflect on the coaching staff.
3C's
Footballguy
It absolutely does. Even the HOFer LeBeau. One point that was mentioned is flying out to WC games the day before. Seems some (no idea how many) do it 2 days before to get adequate rest. Not the Steelers. They also flew the day before to London. One thing about Tomlin vs Cowher, He's not a rah-rah go get 'em kind of guy. Very low key and sort of unemotional which I think lends to the team being kind of flat when they come out. Slow starts are killing them, would be nice to jump out to a lead for once.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Tomlin said today that Foster has been cleared to practice and DeCastro & Whimper will be limited. It sounded like Whimper has a better chance of playing but DeCastro still could start on Sunday.
Worilds will start at OLB over Jones because Worilds "attention to detail" has been better. Tomlin did not come right out and say but it sounds like Zoltan will remain the Steelers punter.
Wheaton will be evaluated as to whether or not he can return to practice.
Worilds will start at OLB over Jones because Worilds "attention to detail" has been better. Tomlin did not come right out and say but it sounds like Zoltan will remain the Steelers punter.
Wheaton will be evaluated as to whether or not he can return to practice.
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Franknbeans
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The Hank
Footballguy
Steelers waive P Zoltan Mesko, sign P Mat McBriar
http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Mesko-released-McBriar-signed/be8ed728-05a8-4bc5-b553-e416b277103d
http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Mesko-released-McBriar-signed/be8ed728-05a8-4bc5-b553-e416b277103d
The Steelers waived punter
Zoltan Meskoon Tuesday, after he had been inconsistent since being signed before the start of the regular season.
Mesko was signed on Sept. 2 following his release by the New England Patriots, and the Steelers in turn released second-year punter Drew Butler. Mesko ranked 16th in the AFC and 31st in the NFL among punters with a 36.7-yard net average. He punted 34 times, with only three inside the 20-yard line.
The team added punter Mat McBriar, a 10-year veteran who played eight seasons for the Dallas Cowboys. McBriar was born in Melbourne, Australia, and began as an Australian rules football player. He played at the University of Hawaii and signed with the Denver Broncos as an undrafted rookie free agent in 2003. He was traded to the Seattle Seahawks in the 2003 preseason for a conditional draft pick, but Seattle waived him prior to the start of the season.
The Cowboys signed McBriar to their practice squad late in 2003 and signed him to the active roster in 2004. McBriar was selected to the Pro Bowl in 2006 and 2010 and named second-team All-Pro by the Associated Press. He has a career average of 45.4 yards on 549 punts with a 38.0 net average.
Coach Mike Tomlin was asked about Mesko’s performance against the Oakland Raiders, when he had a punt blocked, during his weekly press conference on Tuesday. And as he has said in the past, Tomlin pointed to inconsistency being a problem.
“The punting has been very similar to how it’s been the previous weeks and really how I kind of characterize it, he’s had his moments, positively and negatively,” said Tomlin. “He’s been inconsistent and that’s not good enough. He needs to perform better.
“But along with the obvious negativity in the game, I thought he rebounded well and really finished the game strong with some quality punts, particularly a couple that were downed, one was downed inside the one or two-yard line. It was a leg-up in the waning moments of the game as we tried to work our way back into it.”
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Glad to see Zoltan go, he was awful. The tough part for the coaching staff must have been stopping the cuts at the punter.
36th Chamber
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hey I just acquired L'Veon Bell.
What can I expect as an owner?
TIA, SID06.
What can I expect as an owner?
TIA, SID06.
HellToupee
Footballguy
Going to the game today @ Gillette . Giddy as a school girl
HellToupee
Footballguy
impressed by the amount of black & gold here
irish eyes
Footballguy
Ok people, don't tell me this isn't on tomlin & the coaches. They absolutely quit, which i've never seen. An absolute embarrassment!!!!
Can't tackle.
Can't cover
Can barely run the ball
This team is an embarrassment like the mid-60's level.
Time to stop giving "stars" like Polamalu and "Swaggin" Ike Taylor a free ride and blame all of the problems on Cortez Allen and William Gay. Everyone in this secondary is slow and is almost scared to tackle at times
You know I shouldn't be mad at Ben still trying to get stuff done down 24 points since everyone else on the team quit about a quarter ago. But damn it knowing how brittle he is and he was still getting hit was just pissing me off more than this joke of a secondary.
Can't cover
Can barely run the ball
This team is an embarrassment like the mid-60's level.
Time to stop giving "stars" like Polamalu and "Swaggin" Ike Taylor a free ride and blame all of the problems on Cortez Allen and William Gay. Everyone in this secondary is slow and is almost scared to tackle at times
You know I shouldn't be mad at Ben still trying to get stuff done down 24 points since everyone else on the team quit about a quarter ago. But damn it knowing how brittle he is and he was still getting hit was just pissing me off more than this joke of a secondary.
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5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
Some of the mid-late 80's teams were way worse. Easily the worst Steelers team since that era though.
This team needs an enema in the worst way. Not even going to go into it, as most changes that need to be made are patently obvious.
This team needs an enema in the worst way. Not even going to go into it, as most changes that need to be made are patently obvious.
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irish eyes
Footballguy
amem i'm same age steeler, and this is as bad as it gets. Never seen anything nearly this bad.
anyone who has been watching this team over the past 18 months should not be surprised at the performance today. this is not the worst the steelers have looked. they are merely matching the way they mailed it in during the second half of last year. that team was 6-2, if i recall, and finished the season 8-8 after tomlin lost the team. the only thing that is worse this year is that tomlin lost his team earlier.
the problems are manifold and systemic. this will be a multi-year, massive rebuilding process that will likely fail under the current regime. i thought ben had a shot at 3+ super bowls but now i don't thnk he'll get #3, at least not with the steelers.
the problems are manifold and systemic. this will be a multi-year, massive rebuilding process that will likely fail under the current regime. i thought ben had a shot at 3+ super bowls but now i don't thnk he'll get #3, at least not with the steelers.
3C's
Footballguy
not going to happen. there will be changes under him though. time for Lebeau to ride off into retirement and Butler to get his shot. let Tomlin hire his own OC, maybe promote Kirby. and time to stop with the cap band-aid's. they tried to keep a playoff caliber nucleus together and that's all good but now it's gone. hate to say it but 3 of the 4 starting secondary make way too much and do way too little.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Steelers need to devote this whole offseason to the defense.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Next year's secondary is going to be different. Clark is an UFA and won't be back. Ike and Troy will count over $15 million against next years cap. Unless both accept drastic cuts in pay they will be salary cap casualties.
Keisel may retire. The Steelers desperately need a decent ILB and NT for this defense to work and they don't have it.
Blick
Footballguy
I think that's a little harsh. You want to critize safteys yesterday, look no further than Clark/Shamarko.
3C's
Footballguy
they just restructured Ike so not sure what they can do there. he's now about $12M next year against the cap but if they release him the number is supposedly $5M in "dead" money. that's a big hit. more likely that they extend him a few years to spread the hit out.
I know beard is about done but he's still playing well. hopefully he'll come back for one more. hood should pack his bags. agree on the other 2, maybe Spence will recover and be the player they thought he'd be.
3C's
Footballguy
No, Troy was mostly terrible yesterday as well. Constantly out of position. Guessing and guessing wrong. Penalties and blown coverages. The only thing he did was cause that fumble and that hardly makes up for the other 59 minutes of bad play. Shamarko gets a pass because he's still green.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
They need to take the cap hits now and rebuild. They should have done this 2 years ago instead of pushing cap issues into the next year constantly, which prevents the team from keeping guys they should (instead of the old guys they gave long extensions too who they keep extending for cap room) and prevents them from bringing in upgrades instead of retreads. The Steelers have tried to keep the status quo while downgrading certain positions and coaches, while other teams have improved. This season was obviously coming and there will be at least a few more. If they want to contend again quicker, they need to make that choice now. Play the younger guys and start to think about the decisions for the off-season. That doesn't mean give up. That means be smart about your roster and cap.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Maybe. But you can turn around a team fairly quick in the NFL. They need to rebuild on defense. The offense needs work too but could be serviceable with a better defense.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I don't think you trade Ben. I'm also not sure how tradable a QB with a big contract even is as far as the cap goes. They need to be planning for post-Ben life though. An early round QB should be on the table this season.
