Kenny Powers
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We need to page Bernard Pollard on the batphone to take out Succop
It was an albatross.I think the title of this thread was apropos.......
Very true. It was a fun day and I'm very excited to see what this offense can do next year. Not so much with the defense......Steelers made their own bed with bad losses vs Vikings, dolphins, and raiders. I don't put anything on succop or the chiefs. They played well today.
As for the offseason, I feel that this is the time to move to the 4-3. No Casey Hampton killed us this year. Tomlin is a 4-3 guy. Lebeau retires. We draft for the new scheme with a ton of defensive players plus one new WR.
I think that's why Reid took the timeout; to argue that. Also, how is their no booth review on the spot on that 4th down fake punt? Guy was stopped, then pushed forward by teammate; lost his helmet so play stopped at some point; and a fumble. How isn't that reviewed automatically? Right or wrong spot/call, confirm it at least. ####.uh oh, 7 defensive players on one side of the missed fg. NFL just acknowledged it was illegal.
Chiefs place kicker Ryan Succop missed a 41-yard field goal, but the Chargers were not aligned properly on the play and should have been penalized five yards. Succop would have lined up for a 36-yard field goal had the officials correctly made the penalty call.
The NFL also acknowledged weeks ago that officials missed a penalty call at the end of the first half of the Steelers-Dolphins game at Heinz Field that should have resulted in one untimed down for the Steelers at the end of the half after a Miami coached stepped onto the field of play during a kick return by the Steelers.
The Steelers could have lined up for a short field goal attempt at the end of the half of a game they eventually lost by six points. Instead of trailing at halftime, 10-7, the Steelers could have gone to halftime tied at 10, which could have drastically affected the way both teams approached the second half.
I totally agree. I thought this was a 7-9 team, so they really impressed me towards the end of the season. Once they started playing the young guys on D, and the oline settled down a bit, things really changed. Hopefully the Steelers draft well and make good decisions on who stays, goes, and is signed via free agency. Holding on to the past a little too long has been a detriment the last few years.When you lose your first four games and are 2-6 at the half season mark then you know you are in an uphill battle to make the playoffs. Blaming officials or a field goal kickers is misplaced. The Steelers lost too many close games against some bad teams and put their fate is someone else's hands. They were extremely lucky to be in a position to still make the playoffs going into the Chargers/Chiefs game.
That said finishing 6-2 in the second half was impressive and showed they aren't too far from being a decent team. The offense is actually pretty darn good but there are some massive changes that need to be made defensively.
It should definitely be an interesting offseason. The Steelers pick #15, right before the Ravens, so that could make the draft even more fun.
One Ben was calling most of the pays instead of Haley is really what turned the season around.I totally agree. I thought this was a 7-9 team, so they really impressed me towards the end of the season. Once they started playing the young guys on D, and the oline settled down a bit, things really changed. Hopefully the Steelers draft well and make good decisions on who stays, goes, and is signed via free agency. Holding on to the past a little too long has been a detriment the last few years.When you lose your first four games and are 2-6 at the half season mark then you know you are in an uphill battle to make the playoffs. Blaming officials or a field goal kickers is misplaced. The Steelers lost too many close games against some bad teams and put their fate is someone else's hands. They were extremely lucky to be in a position to still make the playoffs going into the Chargers/Chiefs game.
That said finishing 6-2 in the second half was impressive and showed they aren't too far from being a decent team. The offense is actually pretty darn good but there are some massive changes that need to be made defensively.
It should definitely be an interesting offseason. The Steelers pick #15, right before the Ravens, so that could make the draft even more fun.
The NFL and officiating this year has been bad and/or shady more often than in the past seemingly though. How does that FG penalty not get called? How is that OT 4th down not reviewed upstairs? It may have been the right call, but no review from the official to confirm was just bad.
Does Haley stick around then, or is this arrangement sustainable with them? Also, Leveon Bell playing made a huge impact. It's going to be interesting to compare him with Lacy the next few years.One Ben was calling most of the pays instead of Haley is really what turned the season around.I totally agree. I thought this was a 7-9 team, so they really impressed me towards the end of the season. Once they started playing the young guys on D, and the oline settled down a bit, things really changed. Hopefully the Steelers draft well and make good decisions on who stays, goes, and is signed via free agency. Holding on to the past a little too long has been a detriment the last few years.When you lose your first four games and are 2-6 at the half season mark then you know you are in an uphill battle to make the playoffs. Blaming officials or a field goal kickers is misplaced. The Steelers lost too many close games against some bad teams and put their fate is someone else's hands. They were extremely lucky to be in a position to still make the playoffs going into the Chargers/Chiefs game.
That said finishing 6-2 in the second half was impressive and showed they aren't too far from being a decent team. The offense is actually pretty darn good but there are some massive changes that need to be made defensively.
It should definitely be an interesting offseason. The Steelers pick #15, right before the Ravens, so that could make the draft even more fun.
The NFL and officiating this year has been bad and/or shady more often than in the past seemingly though. How does that FG penalty not get called? How is that OT 4th down not reviewed upstairs? It may have been the right call, but no review from the official to confirm was just bad.
Haley will be back IMO. He and Ben supposedly are getting along swimmingly now and the last thing they need to do is bring in another coordinator with new plays and terminology.Does Haley stick around then, or is this arrangement sustainable with them? Also, Leveon Bell playing made a huge impact. It's going to be interesting to compare him with Lacy the next few years.One Ben was calling most of the pays instead of Haley is really what turned the season around.I totally agree. I thought this was a 7-9 team, so they really impressed me towards the end of the season. Once they started playing the young guys on D, and the oline settled down a bit, things really changed. Hopefully the Steelers draft well and make good decisions on who stays, goes, and is signed via free agency. Holding on to the past a little too long has been a detriment the last few years.When you lose your first four games and are 2-6 at the half season mark then you know you are in an uphill battle to make the playoffs. Blaming officials or a field goal kickers is misplaced. The Steelers lost too many close games against some bad teams and put their fate is someone else's hands. They were extremely lucky to be in a position to still make the playoffs going into the Chargers/Chiefs game.
That said finishing 6-2 in the second half was impressive and showed they aren't too far from being a decent team. The offense is actually pretty darn good but there are some massive changes that need to be made defensively.
It should definitely be an interesting offseason. The Steelers pick #15, right before the Ravens, so that could make the draft even more fun.
The NFL and officiating this year has been bad and/or shady more often than in the past seemingly though. How does that FG penalty not get called? How is that OT 4th down not reviewed upstairs? It may have been the right call, but no review from the official to confirm was just bad.
And drafting 14th in round 2.3C said:Drafting 15
*vomit*Evilgrin 72 said:If Sanders isn't re-signed, then WR is a need. NT, LT, ILB, CB, S are also needs, maybe OLB too. I think secondary help is priority 1. I've read Ike may be moved to S, if so then CB is a glaring need.
Ebron out of UNC would be a perfect fit. Evans from TAMU is a punk and want no part of that guy
The last thing this Steelers team should be doing in the 1st round as Ben's window starts closing is drafting a developmental TE. If they go offense Id absolutely want Mike Evans or Marqise Lee instead of Ebron.Ebron out of UNC would be a perfect fit. Evans from TAMU is a punk and want no part of that guy
I'd be ok with Amaro or Ebron. I like Lee but he seems like another smallish WR like AB, Manny, Wheaton, etc. Get BR a big physical playmaker.The last thing this Steelers team should be doing in the 1st round as Ben's window starts closing is drafting a developmental TE. If they go offense Id absolutely want Mike Evans or Marqise Lee instead of Ebron.Ebron out of UNC would be a perfect fit. Evans from TAMU is a punk and want no part of that guy
That said, no reason they shouldnt be taking someone to help the defense in the 1st round, and they will most likely have their choice on whether they want that to be a CB, NT, or S as there are players at all 3 positions grading out as mid-1st round picks.
Its way too early to know how things will shake out at the combine, pro days, etc that changes the big boards around, but right now it seems like there is a very likely chance Nix would be available at 15. Clinton-Dix as well, and I dont see him jumping up into the top 10 regardless. There's at least 3 CBs, Dennard being one of them.I'd be ok with Amaro or Ebron. I like Lee but he seems like another smallish WR like AB, Manny, Wheaton, etc. Get BR a big physical playmaker.The last thing this Steelers team should be doing in the 1st round as Ben's window starts closing is drafting a developmental TE. If they go offense Id absolutely want Mike Evans or Marqise Lee instead of Ebron.Ebron out of UNC would be a perfect fit. Evans from TAMU is a punk and want no part of that guy
That said, no reason they shouldnt be taking someone to help the defense in the 1st round, and they will most likely have their choice on whether they want that to be a CB, NT, or S as there are players at all 3 positions grading out as mid-1st round picks.
Nix is about the only NT I'm aware of that is 1st round and I would think he'll be gone by their pick. Maybe not. Clinton-Dix is the only safety that should be a 1st rounder. At corner would love to have someone like Dennard but I'd think he'd be gone.
I'm just going to be praying that all the QB-needy teams in the top 15 take one. I wish Mariota hadn't stayed in school.Its way too early to know how things will shake out at the combine, pro days, etc that changes the big boards around, but right now it seems like there is a very likely chance Nix would be available at 15. Clinton-Dix as well, and I dont see him jumping up into the top 10 regardless. There's at least 3 CBs, Dennard being one of them.I'd be ok with Amaro or Ebron. I like Lee but he seems like another smallish WR like AB, Manny, Wheaton, etc. Get BR a big physical playmaker.The last thing this Steelers team should be doing in the 1st round as Ben's window starts closing is drafting a developmental TE. If they go offense Id absolutely want Mike Evans or Marqise Lee instead of Ebron.Ebron out of UNC would be a perfect fit. Evans from TAMU is a punk and want no part of that guy
That said, no reason they shouldnt be taking someone to help the defense in the 1st round, and they will most likely have their choice on whether they want that to be a CB, NT, or S as there are players at all 3 positions grading out as mid-1st round picks.
Nix is about the only NT I'm aware of that is 1st round and I would think he'll be gone by their pick. Maybe not. Clinton-Dix is the only safety that should be a 1st rounder. At corner would love to have someone like Dennard but I'd think he'd be gone.
What also makes it more likely that any of those guys fall to us is because its pretty much a lock 3 QBs are gone before our pick, and a reasonable chance 5 QBs go before our pick, so we would essentially be looking at a top 10 non-QB prospect.
In fairness, barring catastrophe, Landry Jones wasn't seeing the field for at least 2 seasons. We won't know whether or not he's a "waste" for some time. Is Brock Osweiler or Ryan Mallett a wasted draft pick? Who the hell knows?Such an important draft and offseason. I'm sure there is a plan in place but it will be interesting to see what it is. Hopefully they have the right balance of keeping vets while infusing young talent. I think if they were to lose anyone I would be most ok with Kiesel, Foote and Woodley. I dislike Woodley a great deal more than other Steelers fans but Worilds is legit and should be of the the most important retention this offseason. I would be ok with Sanders leaving if they think Wheaton is ready. WR is a position that has been interchangeable too with Ben at QB. The Pats have proven that for years. Also it can be easy to get a cheap, talented vet like Boldin if necessary to fill that need. I will say I am hoping to see projects avoided. Landry Jones was a waste last year. Ya Ben hasn't been healthy for too many of his whole seasons but with needs everywhere they should have taken a chance on a DB or OL. Hindsight is 20/20 though.
IIRC, mid first has been very kind to the Steelers. Kendrell Bell, Troy Polamalu, Big Ben, jury is out on Jones but he looks like he'll at least contribute. This is an especially good year to be in that position because if UCLA's QB comes out I for sure can see 5 QB's go in the top 14, maybe even another surprise by the end of the round too. Edit to add: Casey Hampton.Its way too early to know how things will shake out at the combine, pro days, etc that changes the big boards around, but right now it seems like there is a very likely chance Nix would be available at 15. Clinton-Dix as well, and I dont see him jumping up into the top 10 regardless. There's at least 3 CBs, Dennard being one of them.I'd be ok with Amaro or Ebron. I like Lee but he seems like another smallish WR like AB, Manny, Wheaton, etc. Get BR a big physical playmaker.Nix is about the only NT I'm aware of that is 1st round and I would think he'll be gone by their pick. Maybe not. Clinton-Dix is the only safety that should be a 1st rounder. At corner would love to have someone like Dennard but I'd think he'd be gone.The last thing this Steelers team should be doing in the 1st round as Ben's window starts closing is drafting a developmental TE. If they go offense Id absolutely want Mike Evans or Marqise Lee instead of Ebron.Ebron out of UNC would be a perfect fit. Evans from TAMU is a punk and want no part of that guy
That said, no reason they shouldnt be taking someone to help the defense in the 1st round, and they will most likely have their choice on whether they want that to be a CB, NT, or S as there are players at all 3 positions grading out as mid-1st round picks.
What also makes it more likely that any of those guys fall to us is because its pretty much a lock 3 QBs are gone before our pick, and a reasonable chance 5 QBs go before our pick, so we would essentially be looking at a top 10 non-QB prospect.
A lot can and will happen before draft day but as of now I would be shocked if the Steelers took an offensive player with the first pick. CB or S would be my choice but they need to get a real NT early in the draft. I don't remember ever seeing the Steelers give up so much up the middle in the post-Noll era.IIRC, mid first has been very kind to the Steelers. Kendrell Bell, Troy Polamalu, Big Ben, jury is out on Jones but he looks like he'll at least contribute. This is an especially good year to be in that position because if UCLA's QB comes out I for sure can see 5 QB's go in the top 14, maybe even another surprise by the end of the round too. Edit to add: Casey Hampton.Its way too early to know how things will shake out at the combine, pro days, etc that changes the big boards around, but right now it seems like there is a very likely chance Nix would be available at 15. Clinton-Dix as well, and I dont see him jumping up into the top 10 regardless. There's at least 3 CBs, Dennard being one of them.I'd be ok with Amaro or Ebron. I like Lee but he seems like another smallish WR like AB, Manny, Wheaton, etc. Get BR a big physical playmaker.Nix is about the only NT I'm aware of that is 1st round and I would think he'll be gone by their pick. Maybe not. Clinton-Dix is the only safety that should be a 1st rounder. At corner would love to have someone like Dennard but I'd think he'd be gone.The last thing this Steelers team should be doing in the 1st round as Ben's window starts closing is drafting a developmental TE. If they go offense Id absolutely want Mike Evans or Marqise Lee instead of Ebron.Ebron out of UNC would be a perfect fit. Evans from TAMU is a punk and want no part of that guy
That said, no reason they shouldnt be taking someone to help the defense in the 1st round, and they will most likely have their choice on whether they want that to be a CB, NT, or S as there are players at all 3 positions grading out as mid-1st round picks.
What also makes it more likely that any of those guys fall to us is because its pretty much a lock 3 QBs are gone before our pick, and a reasonable chance 5 QBs go before our pick, so we would essentially be looking at a top 10 non-QB prospect.
Ben is 31 almost 32. Now IS the time if you want to move in any more young players into his receiving corp.Ben's window starts closing is drafting a developmental TE. If they go offense Id absolutely want Mike Evans or Marqise Lee instead of Ebron. That said, no reason they shouldnt be taking someone to help the defense in the 1st round, and they will most likely have their choice on whether they want that to be a CB, NT, or S as there are players at all 3 positions grading out as mid-1st round picks.
Yeah, not a developmental guy like Ebron though, especially at 15th overall. Dude was playing DE as recently as last year.Ben is 31 almost 32. Now IS the time if you want to move in any more young players into his receiving corp.Ben's window starts closing is drafting a developmental TE. If they go offense Id absolutely want Mike Evans or Marqise Lee instead of Ebron. That said, no reason they shouldnt be taking someone to help the defense in the 1st round, and they will most likely have their choice on whether they want that to be a CB, NT, or S as there are players at all 3 positions grading out as mid-1st round picks.
Yeah Im not sure if Ebron is an elite prospect for a TE. I do know he snatches balls and is a legit 6'4" and moves fluidly.Yeah, not a developmental guy like Ebron though, especially at 15th overall. Dude was playing DE as recently as last year.Ben is 31 almost 32. Now IS the time if you want to move in any more young players into his receiving corp.Ben's window starts closing is drafting a developmental TE. If they go offense Id absolutely want Mike Evans or Marqise Lee instead of Ebron. That said, no reason they shouldnt be taking someone to help the defense in the 1st round, and they will most likely have their choice on whether they want that to be a CB, NT, or S as there are players at all 3 positions grading out as mid-1st round picks.
Now that he declared, Im personally hoping we get lucky and land Allen Robinson in the 2nd round.
He played DE as a fillin due to injuries. He was a TE first and has played there since his freshman year. He played both sides in HS but that's true of almost every great HS player. Quote from a Tarheel page: "Ebron was considered a high end prospect as a TE and was scouted by most programs to play on the offensive side of the ball." And I don't think he's a developmental guy other than straight inline blocking. He can block but he's not a blocker like Heath. I'm ok with that. I think he'll be one of the best in the league sooner rather than later.Yeah, not a developmental guy like Ebron though, especially at 15th overall. Dude was playing DE as recently as last year.Ben is 31 almost 32. Now IS the time if you want to move in any more young players into his receiving corp.Ben's window starts closing is drafting a developmental TE. If they go offense Id absolutely want Mike Evans or Marqise Lee instead of Ebron. That said, no reason they shouldnt be taking someone to help the defense in the 1st round, and they will most likely have their choice on whether they want that to be a CB, NT, or S as there are players at all 3 positions grading out as mid-1st round picks.
Now that he declared, Im personally hoping we get lucky and land Allen Robinson in the 2nd round.
I hear Chris Kluwe is available.Curveball~~~~~
Our punting is a god damn disgrace.
I'm all for burning a 6th rounder on the best punters in the draft (especially Kirby Van Der Kamp, who kicks both straight style and rugby style).
Cuz drafting punters has worked so well for them in the past? No thankee.Curveball~~~~~
Our punting is a god damn disgrace.
I'm all for burning a 6th rounder on the best punters in the draft (especially Kirby Van Der Kamp, who kicks both straight style and rugby style).
Kendrell Bell was a 2nd rounder not a mid-first.IIRC, mid first has been very kind to the Steelers. Kendrell Bell, Troy Polamalu, Big Ben, jury is out on Jones but he looks like he'll at least contribute.
Maybe we should trade up in the fourth round for one.I hear Chris Kluwe is available.Curveball~~~~~
Our punting is a god damn disgrace.
I'm all for burning a 6th rounder on the best punters in the draft (especially Kirby Van Der Kamp, who kicks both straight style and rugby style).![]()