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*2014-15 Hot Stove Thread: The Padres won it I guess (1 Viewer)
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Moving in the fences again tooCuddyer to the Mets on a two-year contract. Woah.
https://twitter.com/Mets/status/531908778804137985/photo/1
ETA: They lose the 15th pick in the draft for signing him.
RnR
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Especially if you had him in a deep keeper on the cheap. There goes that idea...
dparker713
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By all accounts, the Mets payroll isn't going to increase significantly. So how could they possibly add another significant FA?I assume they're gonna sign another QO free agent based on a plan to contend immediately, which would make it less awful. I think the Mets could surprise next year. Braves don't have any obvious road to improve significantly on their 79 win season, Phillies are the Phillies, Marlins are probably not there yet since Jose Fernandez won't be back for a while.Cuddyer to the Mets on a two-year contract. Woah.
https://twitter.com/Mets/status/531908778804137985/photo/1
ETA: They lose the 15th pick in the draft for signing him.
I don't like it, but I can see where they're going ... assuming they do make a much bigger free agent move.
Eephus
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I think it's good that the Mets feel it's time to try and compete. Cuddyer is a useful piece if healthy, he fills an area of need and 2/$21M isn't an overpay. The only real negative is the compensation pick but given the Mets' draft history, that may not be a critical loss.
shadyridr
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the cost is fine but i think theres number of negatives besides the pick. Hes old, injury prone, and out of Coors.
Balco
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The injury prone label might fit, but he hits capably outside of coors. Not a bad signing by the Mets.
My question is, do they still have a set amount of money for their draft picks even though they lost the # 15? Because what would stop them from paying over slot with their # 2?
Eephus
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shadyridr
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but youre definitely worth a first rounderI'm old, injury prone and out of Coors
MAC_32
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Good Posting Judge
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It was a small sample, but his numbers outside of Coors were pedestrian in 2014. His 1B defense is average, his OF defense is pretty bad. He's old and has been hurt a lot.
A first round pick is valued at being around $10mm-15mm. Seems like a lot for a guy that Steamer projects for 0.9 WAR next year.
Northern Voice
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Heard this AM on Effectively Wild that Cuddyer has a better OPS+ last year and over the last 3 years than Nelson Cruz.
Long Ball Larry
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Russell Martin 5/75? Really?Good Posting Judge said:
dparker713
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If he's a first step in building the roster this offseason, then I think it could be an ok signing. I just don't know how they make significant improvements without spending more on players. And Alderson was fairly clear he wasn't expecting to be able to increase payroll. He responded to taking on Tulo with "20, 20, 15 and what, 22 dwarfs?"
I think the biggest issue is that they either have to play Duda or Cuddyer in the outfield - both options are terrible. I think this also closes the door on them keeping Murphy.
Eephus
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dparker713
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Each pick has an associated bonus figure. If you lose the pick, you lose the pick's contribution to your total bonus pool. To note, any team can significantly overpay the slot of their picks, however the penalties are rather severe and would potentially forfeit future picks.
Hilts
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I don't care how much they move the fences in. It's a huge hit to his fantasy value not playing in Coors.Moving in the fences again tooCuddyer to the Mets on a two-year contract. Woah.
https://twitter.com/Mets/status/531908778804137985/photo/1
ETA: They lose the 15th pick in the draft for signing him.
Eephus
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On the other hand, he's likely to get more than 200 PAs. Cuddyer's shoulder injury last June was a killer because he was going to lock in 3B eligibility with Arenado on the DL.I don't care how much they move the fences in. It's a huge hit to his fantasy value not playing in Coors.Moving in the fences again tooCuddyer to the Mets on a two-year contract. Woah.
https://twitter.com/Mets/status/531908778804137985/photo/1
ETA: They lose the 15th pick in the draft for signing him.
Hilts
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Even that doesn't make sense to me. If he has one year left, he'd likely get more than six million next year. Most logical explanation I can come up with is he thinks the Mets will be contenders in the next two years and wants a shot in the post season.
Witz
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One thing that I read (who knows how true) is that him and David Wright are really good friends.
Limp Ditka
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BeTheMatch
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Billy Bats
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Mets reportedly showed interest in Jimmy Rollins but JRoll said no thank you.
Bruce Dickinson
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If the Phillies want a player that will play for their major league team, they will probably have to eat $48-50MM of that $60MM. No need for a team like the Royals to pay Howard even $20MM over two years when you could re-sign Billy Butler or get Michael Morse for that kind of money?Eephus said:
The talks of the Royals seriously considering trading for Howard are way overblown. There's a lot of players KC would have to miss out on to consider making Howard the DH next season.
Don Quixote
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Nats and Cubs reportedly in talks about Jordan Zimmermann.
Eephus
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Rollins is a 10/5 guy who's entering the final year of his contract. Any team interested in trading for him is probably going to have agree to an extension.
Eephus
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Another one of those free agent prediction articles. This one by Jon Heyman includes his predictions as well those from an unnamed agent & GM. The GM is predictably the lowballer of the three.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Who else is watching live baseball from Japan? 
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Puig whiffs, stranding two runners in the 1st. It's like he never left the States.
Billy Bats
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Pat Gillick, Phils interim President on Amaro: "He's put a for sale sign out on everyone."
Chemical X
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i am a met fan from the 70s and really anything this mgmt team does is very meh to me. with a payroll in the 80-90mill range, options are limited. for 2 years at an average of 10.5 per, the money wont cripple team. if you want bad deals, look at wright and granderson. cuddler will be a bargain with same production as those 2 turds. cuddler likely goes to left and may play some 1b against tough LHP. he seems to have a long friendship with david wright, another old, oft injured player.
on the surface, cuddler in left is better than anything they trotted out there last year and he is a likely #5 or 6 hitter here. basically, is the #15 pick for talent and money worth cuddler? given sandy's drafts, you have to say yes......what this says about their drafting is another story altoghether.
fans are sick of this team and mgmt and ownership. they cant have another 70 win season. i'd rather give up #15 than one of the young arms. use an arm for a SS or something of more significance.
on the surface, cuddler in left is better than anything they trotted out there last year and he is a likely #5 or 6 hitter here. basically, is the #15 pick for talent and money worth cuddler? given sandy's drafts, you have to say yes......what this says about their drafting is another story altoghether.
fans are sick of this team and mgmt and ownership. they cant have another 70 win season. i'd rather give up #15 than one of the young arms. use an arm for a SS or something of more significance.
Bogart
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I think that is a really good comparison. His days in the field are limited but should be able to hit and hit for power for some time.
Eephus
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Good Posting Judge
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The "We suck at drafting, so losing a mid-1st is no big deal" line of logic is completely specious.
I don't think giving up mid-first round draft picks is much issue in MLB.
MLB draft is a huge crap shoot. I mean Pete Kozma was a first round pick ffs, and he actually has made it to the majors, let alone the probably 50% that never do.
Of course, if I were a GM I'd probably want to get a guy thats going to get me at least 1,000 or so pa's to give up that first round pick and with Cuddyer that's a huge risk. Also, I'd probably be a lot more apt to give up a draft pick if I was in a win now mentality, just a piece or two away from at least the playoffs if not the pennant.
I'm not sure the Mets are a piece or two away just yet. But a GM is always fighting for their job I guess too, so wtf does he care if that picks turns out 5-6 years from now being a major league player. And I know it's probably short sighted, but over the past 10 years, only one pick #15 has even made it to the majors.
MLB draft is a huge crap shoot. I mean Pete Kozma was a first round pick ffs, and he actually has made it to the majors, let alone the probably 50% that never do.
Of course, if I were a GM I'd probably want to get a guy thats going to get me at least 1,000 or so pa's to give up that first round pick and with Cuddyer that's a huge risk. Also, I'd probably be a lot more apt to give up a draft pick if I was in a win now mentality, just a piece or two away from at least the playoffs if not the pennant.
I'm not sure the Mets are a piece or two away just yet. But a GM is always fighting for their job I guess too, so wtf does he care if that picks turns out 5-6 years from now being a major league player. And I know it's probably short sighted, but over the past 10 years, only one pick #15 has even made it to the majors.
Eephus
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I think the loss of the slot money is as important as the pick. But Sandy Alderson is a smart guy who has been in the game for a long time and he apparently thinks otherwise.I don't think giving up mid-first round draft picks is much issue in MLB.
MLB draft is a huge crap shoot. I mean Pete Kozma was a first round pick ffs, and he actually has made it to the majors, let alone the probably 50% that never do.
Of course, if I were a GM I'd probably want to get a guy thats going to get me at least 1,000 or so pa's to give up that first round pick and with Cuddyer that's a huge risk. Also, I'd probably be a lot more apt to give up a draft pick if I was in a win now mentality, just a piece or two away from at least the playoffs if not the pennant.
I'm not sure the Mets are a piece or two away just yet. But a GM is always fighting for their job I guess too, so wtf does he care if that picks turns out 5-6 years from now being a major league player. And I know it's probably short sighted, but over the past 10 years, only one pick #15 has even made it to the majors.
The Mets haven't had a winning record since the Bush administration. If Cuddyer gets 1000 PAs over the next two years and the Mets stay in contention into September, maybe the short-term gain will be worth it.
RUSF18
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I won't pretend like I follow baseball prospects in great detail, or even know who the Mets have been drafting beyond the first round...but is this really even that accurate? What I do know is the 2014 1st rounder (Conforto?) is supposedly progressing really quickly already and has a big bat. I've heard a lot of good things about 2011 1st Nimmo. Year before him was Matt Harvey. It seems like the 2013 kid hasn't been hitting with anywhere near enough power for a 1B, but it's still early with him but even counting him as a miss is that really that poor for a 5 year stretch? Especially considering that even with the Mets being ####ty for so long, they haven't exactly drafted high...Harvey went #7 overall but after him they've drafted 10, 11, 12, and 13 in the years they've had first round picks.
Good Posting Judge
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33% of 1st rounders don't even make the majors. And it's certainly a very inexact science (so say the 16 (?) teams that passed on Mike Trout), but the reward of potentially controlling a very good player for six years means it's insane to just punt on the whole enterprise. I
52 of the players who were named to an ASG roster this year were drafted, and 22 of them came from the first round. 8 from the second round. 3 each from rounds 3, 4, and 6, etc.
Perhaps teams are inspired that two not-great teams just met in the World Series, but a controlled player for six years is going to be involved in more bites at the apple than Cuddyer's 2 year deal.
52 of the players who were named to an ASG roster this year were drafted, and 22 of them came from the first round. 8 from the second round. 3 each from rounds 3, 4, and 6, etc.
Perhaps teams are inspired that two not-great teams just met in the World Series, but a controlled player for six years is going to be involved in more bites at the apple than Cuddyer's 2 year deal.
Eephus
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True but those not so great WS teams featured a number of 1st rounders (Panik, Posey, Bum, Gordon, Hosmer, Moose, Finnegan, as well as Lincecum, Cain, Hochevar & Crow)
George Jefferson Airplane
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dparker713
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Last year he had 3 great months and 3 average months at the plate. He's completely inept in the field and it seems entirely insane to give the guy 5 years based on 3 months of production at his age.
Eephus
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I see no reason why Cruz can't be an above average DH for 3-4 years. But Ortiz has performed at a completely different level since he arrived in Boston.
Good Posting Judge
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That's a good point, and I'm just speculating that last bit. Maybe Alderson's trying to get people to forget about Granderson?
