*2014-15 Hot Stove Thread: The Padres won it I guess (1 Viewer)

[shadyridr]

The Braves signed Jonny Gomes to complete their OF with Neck Markakis and BJ Upton.

I have no idea what John Hart is doing here but I'm inviting him to the Gobbler leeg.

Candidate for Most Overrated Outfield Ever? Or is Upton been ####ty long enough for the label to no longer apply?

who rates any of those guys high?

 

[jfranco77]

Tomas likes Murica cooking. https://vine.co/v/OIpmD0HuZDg

Hmm. He looks like a coach.

Then again maybe he is following the Panda diet since they're going to play him at 3B.

 

[Annyong]

Tomas likes Murica cooking. https://vine.co/v/OIpmD0HuZDg

Hmm. He looks like a coach.

Then again maybe he is following the Panda diet since they're going to play him at 3B.

Yeah looking a little thick

 

[Annyong]

Do the Brewers really need Papelbon?

 

[JaxBill]

What kind of B-list minor leaguers will the Phils get for Papelbon?

 

[Grahamburn]

HGH belly.

 

[pantagrapher]

HGH belly.

I find it kind of funny the way modern sports journalists like to talk about how "we all ignored" the steroid problem when the good times were rolling. It seems odd to me that they don't find these surges of otherworldly power hitters from places with a population the size of ####### Cuba just the least bit suspicious. I mean, how can any of them look at Yasiel Puig and not know with relative certainty that guy has doped? Look at these guys. They're beasts. I'm not sure if they continue whatever they did once they get to the states, but they did not attain these physiques naturally.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Bob Melvin was just talking yesterday about the financial restraints of the org keeping them from going after Shields, but they're going to drop $13m per on a headcase that might throw 3-4 innings a week?

 

[Captain Hook]

Bob Melvin was just talking yesterday about the financial restraints of the org keeping them from going after Shields, but they're going to drop $13m per on a headcase that might throw 3-4 innings a week?

Wrong guy - Melvin mgr in Oakland - guy who said that was Doug Melvin, GM of MLW

And there is a huge difference between 20 mil for X years for Shields and 13 mil for one year of Papelbon

Besides trading Yo opened spot for their best pitching prospect Jimmy Nelson so they really don't have glaring need to overpay Shields

 

[bigmarc27]

The Braves signed Jonny Gomes to complete their OF with Neck Markakis and BJ Upton.

I have no idea what John Hart is doing here but I'm inviting him to the Gobbler leeg.

Candidate for Most Overrated Outfield Ever? Or is Upton been ####ty long enough for the label to no longer apply?

who rates any of those guys high?

Nobody.

Braves are just biding their time until they're out from under the Uggla and BJ contracts. Their farm system has jumped from 28th to borderline top 10 in 2 months, so I'm pretty content with whats going on.

We weren't winning anything this year, so why does it matter. I'd rather go the rout of the astros and really rebuild than trying to piece together a team that's at best a 1 and done.

 

[Eephus]

Bob Melvin was just talking yesterday about the financial restraints of the org keeping them from going after Shields, but they're going to drop $13m per on a headcase that might throw 3-4 innings a week?

Wrong guy - Melvin mgr in Oakland - guy who said that was Doug Melvin, GM of MLW

And there is a huge difference between 20 mil for X years for Shields and 13 mil for one year of Papelbon

Besides trading Yo opened spot for their best pitching prospect Jimmy Nelson so they really don't have glaring need to overpay Shields

The Brewers had success playing the distressed closer asset market before. This deal isn't dissimilar to when they acquired Francisco Rodriguez from the Mets. K-rod was an overpaid, post-prime closer who was available at a reduced cost. Milwaukee got a good half year out of him and made the playoffs.

I assume the Phillies will be paying a large chunk of Papelbon's wages.

 

[Eephus]

The Braves signed Jonny Gomes to complete their OF with Neck Markakis and BJ Upton.

I have no idea what John Hart is doing here but I'm inviting him to the Gobbler leeg.

Candidate for Most Overrated Outfield Ever? Or is Upton been ####ty long enough for the label to no longer apply?

who rates any of those guys high?

Nobody.

Braves are just biding their time until they're out from under the Uggla and BJ contracts. Their farm system has jumped from 28th to borderline top 10 in 2 months, so I'm pretty content with whats going on.

We weren't winning anything this year, so why does it matter. I'd rather go the rout of the astros and really rebuild than trying to piece together a team that's at best a 1 and done.

The trades have helped the depth of their farm system but didn't bring in any top prospects like Heyward and Justin Upton once were.

 

[strykerpks]

Bob Melvin was just talking yesterday about the financial restraints of the org keeping them from going after Shields, but they're going to drop $13m per on a headcase that might throw 3-4 innings a week?

Wrong guy - Melvin mgr in Oakland - guy who said that was Doug Melvin, GM of MLW

And there is a huge difference between 20 mil for X years for Shields and 13 mil for one year of Papelbon

Besides trading Yo opened spot for their best pitching prospect Jimmy Nelson so they really don't have glaring need to overpay Shields

The Brewers had success playing the distressed closer asset market before. This deal isn't dissimilar to when they acquired Francisco Rodriguez from the Mets. K-rod was an overpaid, post-prime closer who was available at a reduced cost. Milwaukee got a good half year out of him and made the playoffs.

I assume the Phillies will be paying a large chunk of Papelbon's wages.

For every K Rod, there's an Eric Gagne. Melvin is hit and miss with these types of moves. But they are in need of bullpen help as I think they have Jim Henderson penciled in as closer. A 32 year old with 2 years service time. Not exactly an inspiring guy. I suppose it could be Broxton too. Either way, that's a whole lot of meh.

That said, I'll be less than thrilled if this goes down.

 

[Captain Hook]

Bob Melvin was just talking yesterday about the financial restraints of the org keeping them from going after Shields, but they're going to drop $13m per on a headcase that might throw 3-4 innings a week?

Wrong guy - Melvin mgr in Oakland - guy who said that was Doug Melvin, GM of MLW

And there is a huge difference between 20 mil for X years for Shields and 13 mil for one year of Papelbon

Besides trading Yo opened spot for their best pitching prospect Jimmy Nelson so they really don't have glaring need to overpay Shields

The Brewers had success playing the distressed closer asset market before. This deal isn't dissimilar to when they acquired Francisco Rodriguez from the Mets. K-rod was an overpaid, post-prime closer who was available at a reduced cost. Milwaukee got a good half year out of him and made the playoffs.

I assume the Phillies will be paying a large chunk of Papelbon's wages.

For every K Rod, there's an Eric Gagne. Melvin is hit and miss with these types of moves. But they are in need of bullpen help as I think they have Jim Henderson penciled in as closer. A 32 year old with 2 years service time. Not exactly an inspiring guy. I suppose it could be Broxton too. Either way, that's a whole lot of meh.

That said, I'll be less than thrilled if this goes down.

Jonathan Broxton is on the roster and would be the closer if they don't trade for Papelbon or re-sign KRod

 

[Eephus]

Bob Melvin was just talking yesterday about the financial restraints of the org keeping them from going after Shields, but they're going to drop $13m per on a headcase that might throw 3-4 innings a week?

Wrong guy - Melvin mgr in Oakland - guy who said that was Doug Melvin, GM of MLW

And there is a huge difference between 20 mil for X years for Shields and 13 mil for one year of Papelbon

Besides trading Yo opened spot for their best pitching prospect Jimmy Nelson so they really don't have glaring need to overpay Shields

The Brewers had success playing the distressed closer asset market before. This deal isn't dissimilar to when they acquired Francisco Rodriguez from the Mets. K-rod was an overpaid, post-prime closer who was available at a reduced cost. Milwaukee got a good half year out of him and made the playoffs.

I assume the Phillies will be paying a large chunk of Papelbon's wages.

For every K Rod, there's an Eric Gagne. Melvin is hit and miss with these types of moves. But they are in need of bullpen help as I think they have Jim Henderson penciled in as closer. A 32 year old with 2 years service time. Not exactly an inspiring guy. I suppose it could be Broxton too. Either way, that's a whole lot of meh.

That said, I'll be less than thrilled if this goes down.

Jonathan Broxton is on the roster and would be the closer if they don't trade for Papelbon or re-sign KRod

Melvin is organizing a 2009 All-Star game reunion one piece at a time. Brian Fuentes and Andrew Bailey are next.

 

[Eephus]

Vogelsong staying with the Champs for another year as you knew he would. His brief flirtation with the Astros earlier this week could someday be the subject of the worst 30 for 30 film of all time.

 

[bigmarc27]

The Braves signed Jonny Gomes to complete their OF with Neck Markakis and BJ Upton.

I have no idea what John Hart is doing here but I'm inviting him to the Gobbler leeg.

Candidate for Most Overrated Outfield Ever? Or is Upton been ####ty long enough for the label to no longer apply?

who rates any of those guys high?

Nobody.

Braves are just biding their time until they're out from under the Uggla and BJ contracts. Their farm system has jumped from 28th to borderline top 10 in 2 months, so I'm pretty content with whats going on.

We weren't winning anything this year, so why does it matter. I'd rather go the rout of the astros and really rebuild than trying to piece together a team that's at best a 1 and done.

The trades have helped the depth of their farm system but didn't bring in any top prospects like Heyward and Justin Upton once were.

Sure, but we weren't signing either of those guys to a 10 year / $200M+ deal which is likely what they're going to get sooner than later. Better to get something while we can - I'm almost certain Kimbrel will be traded around noon around July 31st. He'll fetch a nice price from a contender.

 

[Eephus]

The Braves signed Jonny Gomes to complete their OF with Neck Markakis and BJ Upton.

I have no idea what John Hart is doing here but I'm inviting him to the Gobbler leeg.

Candidate for Most Overrated Outfield Ever? Or is Upton been ####ty long enough for the label to no longer apply?

who rates any of those guys high?

Nobody.

Braves are just biding their time until they're out from under the Uggla and BJ contracts. Their farm system has jumped from 28th to borderline top 10 in 2 months, so I'm pretty content with whats going on.

We weren't winning anything this year, so why does it matter. I'd rather go the rout of the astros and really rebuild than trying to piece together a team that's at best a 1 and done.

The trades have helped the depth of their farm system but didn't bring in any top prospects like Heyward and Justin Upton once were.

Sure, but we weren't signing either of those guys to a 10 year / $200M+ deal which is likely what they're going to get sooner than later. Better to get something while we can - I'm almost certain Kimbrel will be traded around noon around July 31st. He'll fetch a nice price from a contender.

I appreciate your pragmatism but it's weird to me for a franchise that's been consistently competitive for almost 25 years to be biding their time until the new ballpark opens.

 

[rodg12]

The new ownership in Atlanta is a joke. If I was a Braves fan, I'd be super pissed. A team in that city, with that history and fan base cutting payroll like this?? Embarrassing.

 

[Billy Bats]

Mariners new alternates, going old school.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/mariners-unveil-awesome-new-alternate-uniforms-193704262.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory&soc_trk=fb

 

[SoCalBroncoFan]

Rumors have James Shields possibly falling to the 4 year $70-$80 mil range. If the Padres were interested in acquiring Cole Hamels, who is making around $22.5 per year, then wouldn't it make sense that they might be players on Shields?

They would get the potential #1 starter they are looking for and they wouldn't have to give up any prospects. I think that's part of the reason Hamels market dried up. As soon as Shields signs you might see more interest in Hamels.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Vogelsong staying with the Champs for another year as you knew he would. His brief flirtation with the Astros earlier this week could someday be the subject of the worst 30 for 30 film of all time.

Bochy gon' Boch.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Rumors have James Shields possibly falling to the 4 year $70-$80 mil range. If the Padres were interested in acquiring Cole Hamels, who is making around $22.5 per year, then wouldn't it make sense that they might be players on Shields?

They would get the potential #1 starter they are looking for and they wouldn't have to give up any prospects. I think that's part of the reason Hamels market dried up. As soon as Shields signs you might see more interest in Hamels.

I don't know. Hamels currently signed for 4/94 for his 31-34 seasons. Seems like a better value than Shields at 4/80 for his 33-36 seasons.

But you may very well be right about the second part.

 

[MAC_32]

We need more Ernie from the media this weekend. All of this other noise is beyond insufferable. Try focusing on why most of us first started watching sports in the first place for once and not on pleasing the lowest common denominator...err, get ratings.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

We need more Ernie from the media this weekend. All of this other noise is beyond insufferable. Try focusing on why most of us first started watching sports in the first place for once and not on pleasing the lowest common denominator...err, get ratings.

Ballghazi isn't about football...it's about the children.

 

[Treynwreck3]

The new ownership in Atlanta is a joke. If I was a Braves fan, I'd be super pissed. A team in that city, with that history and fan base cutting payroll like this?? Embarrassing.

Fan base? Braves fans are the worst bunch of band-wagon rednecks ever.

 

[Plorfu]

Manfred's open to eliminating defensive shifts.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24992568/rob-manfred-says-hes-open-to-banning-extreme-defensive-shifts

 

[shadyridr]

Manfred's open to eliminating defensive shifts.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24992568/rob-manfred-says-hes-open-to-banning-extreme-defensive-shifts

so dumb

 

[pantagrapher]

Manfred's open to eliminating defensive shifts.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24992568/rob-manfred-says-hes-open-to-banning-extreme-defensive-shifts

so dumb

My initial reaction was to agree that it's dumb. And I still agree that it should not be a rule. But I did see some compelling tweets on the issue arguing the other side; specifically, how shifts disproportionately punish left-handed hitters. Can't remember the specifics, but something about how you can shift players on the left side of infield to the right but shifts the other way are tougher, since someone has to cover first. But I agree with Buster Olney for the most part. How would they stop shifts? Can SS still play shallow left? I suspect the rule would be something like "SS cannot line up to right of 2B bag."

 

[shadyridr]

Manfred's open to eliminating defensive shifts.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24992568/rob-manfred-says-hes-open-to-banning-extreme-defensive-shifts

so dumb

My initial reaction was to agree that it's dumb. And I still agree that it should not be a rule. But I did see some compelling tweets on the issue arguing the other side; specifically, how shifts disproportionately punish left-handed hitters. Can't remember the specifics, but something about how you can shift players on the left side of infield to the right but shifts the other way are tougher, since someone has to cover first. But I agree with Buster Olney for the most part. How would they stop shifts? Can SS still play shallow left? I suspect the rule would be something like "SS cannot line up to right of 2B bag."

Yeah but lefties have the advantage with there being so many more RHPs. Both sides have positives and negatives.

 

[E-Z Glider]

Manfred's open to eliminating defensive shifts.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24992568/rob-manfred-says-hes-open-to-banning-extreme-defensive-shifts

so dumb

Seems like most people are opposed to this idea, but Im not sure why. Other sports have rules about where individual players/positions are allowed to go on the field, why not baseball? I know the purists dont like seeing change, but this is essentially changing things back to the way they were. People got smarter than the game and it gave an advantage to the defense. This just evens the playing field again.

 

[the moops]

Sounds like a stupid softball rule.

 

[pantagrapher]

Sounds like a stupid softball rule.

There's no actual rule proposal yet.

 

[Grahamburn]

Baseball is perfect. There's no need to institute any more rules.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Manfred's open to eliminating defensive shifts.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24992568/rob-manfred-says-hes-open-to-banning-extreme-defensive-shifts

so dumb

Seems like most people are opposed to this idea, but Im not sure why. Other sports have rules about where individual players/positions are allowed to go on the field, why not baseball? I know the purists dont like seeing change, but this is essentially changing things back to the way they were. People got smarter than the game and it gave an advantage to the defense. This just evens the playing field again.

Tackled very well here. It's a little troubling that Manfred's diagnosis is so far off.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Manfred's open to eliminating defensive shifts.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24992568/rob-manfred-says-hes-open-to-banning-extreme-defensive-shifts

so dumb

Seems like most people are opposed to this idea, but Im not sure why. Other sports have rules about where individual players/positions are allowed to go on the field, why not baseball? I know the purists dont like seeing change, but this is essentially changing things back to the way they were. People got smarter than the game and it gave an advantage to the defense. This just evens the playing field again.

Tackled very well here. It's a little troubling that Manfred's diagnosis is so far off.

I agree with almost everything Dave Cameron said.

 

[the moops]

Sounds like a stupid softball rule.

There's no actual rule proposal yet.

I know but I can't imagine any proposal that limits defensive positioning as anything but a bad idea

 

[larch]

Baseball is perfect. There's no need to institute any more rules.

This is correct.

 

[E-Z Glider]

Manfred's open to eliminating defensive shifts.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24992568/rob-manfred-says-hes-open-to-banning-extreme-defensive-shifts

so dumb

Seems like most people are opposed to this idea, but Im not sure why. Other sports have rules about where individual players/positions are allowed to go on the field, why not baseball? I know the purists dont like seeing change, but this is essentially changing things back to the way they were. People got smarter than the game and it gave an advantage to the defense. This just evens the playing field again.

Tackled very well here. It's a little troubling that Manfred's diagnosis is so far off.

I dont even care about "injecting additional offense into the game". I just dont like watching it. Its like they're exploiting a loophole or something.

Signed,

Bitter Ryan Howard fan

 

[dparker713]

Manfred's open to eliminating defensive shifts.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24992568/rob-manfred-says-hes-open-to-banning-extreme-defensive-shifts

so dumb

Seems like most people are opposed to this idea, but Im not sure why. Other sports have rules about where individual players/positions are allowed to go on the field, why not baseball? I know the purists dont like seeing change, but this is essentially changing things back to the way they were. People got smarter than the game and it gave an advantage to the defense. This just evens the playing field again.

Tackled very well here. It's a little troubling that Manfred's diagnosis is so far off.

I dont even care about "injecting additional offense into the game". I just dont like watching it. Its like they're exploiting a loophole or something.

Signed,

Bitter Ryan Howard fan

You want to know what would help Ryan Howard? PEDs. Barring that, waking up 8 years younger. Barrng that, reducing the strike zone to more managable levels.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Manfred's open to eliminating defensive shifts.

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24992568/rob-manfred-says-hes-open-to-banning-extreme-defensive-shifts

so dumb

Seems like most people are opposed to this idea, but Im not sure why. Other sports have rules about where individual players/positions are allowed to go on the field, why not baseball? I know the purists dont like seeing change, but this is essentially changing things back to the way they were. People got smarter than the game and it gave an advantage to the defense. This just evens the playing field again.

Tackled very well here. It's a little troubling that Manfred's diagnosis is so far off.

I dont even care about "injecting additional offense into the game". I just dont like watching it. Its like they're exploiting a loophole or something.

Signed,

Bitter Ryan Howard fan

Learn how to bunt?

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Cameron makes a good point about why limiting defensive shifts may not have Manfred's desired effect of increasing offense, but I don't really have a strong feeling about his other points. How is it any different than defensive 3 seconds, offsides in soccer or hockey, or eligible/ineligible receivers (and really a ton of things in football)? I don't see why there should be anything inherently wrong with saying where the fielders can stand. Why can't the pitcher move off of the rubber once he starts his wind-up? Why can't the batter stand wherever he wants when he is batting?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Cameron makes a good point about why limiting defensive shifts may not have Manfred's desired effect of increasing offense, but I don't really have a strong feeling about his other points. How is it any different than defensive 3 seconds, offsides in soccer or hockey, or eligible/ineligible receivers (and really a ton of things in football)? I don't see why there should be anything inherently wrong with saying where the fielders can stand. Why can't the pitcher move off of the rubber once he starts his wind-up? Why can't the batter stand wherever he wants when he is batting?

There's nothing inherently wrong with it. But shifting defenses doesn't ruin baseball the way not having an offside rule would ruin soccer as we know it. Subjectively speaking, defensive shifts make baseball more interesting.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Ted Lilly made 80 million dollars in his career, yet here he is trying to cheat Flo out of 4k.

 

[E-Z Glider]

Cameron makes a good point about why limiting defensive shifts may not have Manfred's desired effect of increasing offense, but I don't really have a strong feeling about his other points. How is it any different than defensive 3 seconds, offsides in soccer or hockey, or eligible/ineligible receivers (and really a ton of things in football)? I don't see why there should be anything inherently wrong with saying where the fielders can stand. Why can't the pitcher move off of the rubber once he starts his wind-up? Why can't the batter stand wherever he wants when he is batting?

There's nothing inherently wrong with it. But shifting defenses doesn't ruin baseball the way not having an offside rule would ruin soccer as we know it. Subjectively speaking, defensive shifts make baseball more interesting.

There was an article last year which suggested teams should start positioning their best OF in the spot where the ball is most likely to be hit. In other words, re-position the whole OF for each new batter/situation. Likewise, rather than having a 2B, SS and 3B, they should just arrange the players for new each batter/situation so that the best IF was in the spot where the ball was most likely to go and the worst IF was in the spot where the ball was least likely to go. If teams were to start doing this, they would surely have to institute a pitch-clock. So you would basically have people sprinting all over the field into different formations before each batter. Kinda like the way guys are scrambling during the NFL playclock. Would this make baseball more interesting? At what point do you put a stop to it?

 

[jfranco77]

So, James Shields. He's still planning to pitch this year right?

 

[pantagrapher]

For the defensive shift thing, I could see a simple rule that the 3B and SS must be left of the imaginary line between the second base bag and home plate; the 2B and 1B must be to the right. Not sure what the penalty would be.

Just spitballin here.

 

[dparker713]

For the defensive shift thing, I could see a simple rule that the 3B and SS must be left of the imaginary line between the second base bag and home plate; the 2B and 1B must be to the right. Not sure what the penalty would be.

Just spitballin here.

For how long do they need to stay on one side? Before the wind up? Until contact? Through the whole play? What about a run down? The rule could never be simple.

 

[TobiasFunke]

For the defensive shift thing, I could see a simple rule that the 3B and SS must be left of the imaginary line between the second base bag and home plate; the 2B and 1B must be to the right. Not sure what the penalty would be.

Just spitballin here.

For how long do they need to stay on one side? Before the wind up? Until contact? Through the whole play? What about a run down? The rule could never be simple.

Release of the pitch.

I think it would be a pretty simple rule to draft/enforce. Incredibly silly and worthless, but simple.

 

[RnR]

I'm not a fan of it, but I could see it being fine. Super easy to enforce, and really doesn't alter the game that much aside from a handful of pull-happy lefties.