2014 Hall of Famers announced - '15 class now being discussed (1 Viewer)

[Adam Harstad]

To contend that Martin was not as good as Alexander, Green, Barber, George and Bettis is to indicate that the claimant did not watch much NFL action from the mid-1990s to the mid-2000s.

Alexander is the poster child for statistics given and not earned. He got to run behind Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson. Both are miles ahead of Alexander in HOF worthiness. To say that Martin was not as good as Alexander is horribly insulting.

I agree with you comment to a certain degree. Same can be said for Emmitt Smith too.Alexander was a guy who got a late start (24) and was finished by 29. Earl Campbell is nearly statistically identically to SA over their career totals and rhythms. Earl was a 24 year old rookie out of gas by 28.

I don't think you can give SA a pass for having two HOF worthy o-lineman in front of him. Setting the all time record for total TDs in a season, 5 straight years of 1000 rushing yards, 5 straight years of 1600 total yards and an 1880 yard rushing year to boot (11th all-time). He also finished 33rd all time in touches, and 14th al time in R/R TDs. He gets a bad rap for being soft, or avoiding contact, but the guys numbers put him in the top 15-20 RBs ever.

Like Priest and Emmitt it's difficult to separate his talent from the talent of his OL. If SA had done it for longer than 5 years then I'd have a higher opinion of him but as it stands now I see him as a good RB who put up monster stats behind a great OL for a few years.

In Emmitt's defense, the Cowboys' OL (Tunei, Gogan, Stepnoskie, Gesek and Newton) wasn't that great his 2nd year when he rushed for 1563 yards. He rarely gets credit for that.

Emmitt's OL was way better than Priest's. They won 3 super bowls and dominated that entire period. Greatest OL of all time.

I don't know about that. The Vermeil-era Chiefs have a very strong argument as the greatest sustained offense in history. They don't get credit for that because they also have an argument for one of the worst sustained defenses in history, so their overall record wasn't great. Still, over a long stretch, I'd say that offense was better even than the GSoT Rams. They did it with Priest and with Larry. They did it with garbage WRs. They had Trent Green and Gonzo who were both sensational, but that offense started and ended with the offensive line. Hard to top Roaf/Shields/Wiegmann/Waters. Fullback Tony Richardson was pretty fantastic, too.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Somebody commented about Martin winning a rushing title because Alexander was (appropriately) sat down by Holmgren. First of all, Alexander was going to have to get two more yards and time was running out. No guarantee he gets two more yards. Second, so what if he did? Would finishing second in that rushing race have been some major blemish on Martin's candidacy?

Yes, it would mean his was this supposedly great RB that never managed to lead the league in anything.

Top 3 in rushing yards four times. Several other HoFers never led the league in any meaningful category.

 

[Adam Harstad]

YPC is extremely over-rated, especially when you consider the teams he was on early in his career. His last 4 years with the Jets he averaged 4.35 YPC.

YPC might be overrated if you are comparing 2 RBs with say a 4.3 and 4.1 average. But you are sweeping under the rug a HOF RB being below league average. It also wouldn't surprise me that his 4.35 average his last 4 years is right around league average.

League average over that span was around 4.15, although league average is always inflated by QB scrambles and WR runs.

Judging Curtis Martin's entire career by his YPC is dumb. YPC is not the be-all, end-all.

 

[Fariq]

Somebody commented about Martin winning a rushing title because Alexander was (appropriately) sat down by Holmgren. First of all, Alexander was going to have to get two more yards and time was running out. No guarantee he gets two more yards. Second, so what if he did? Would finishing second in that rushing race have been some major blemish on Martin's candidacy?

Yes, it would mean his was this supposedly great RB that never managed to lead the league in anything.

lol

 

[Dizzy]

I'll also be sad if Bettis gets in over TD. If Bettis gets in, we should let in Vinny Greenhead in and kick out Steve Young.

Prepare to be sad.

Bettis will get in. Isn't he top-10 of all-time rushers? There's probably 10 guys behind him on that list that are all in the Hall.

The HOF is as much of a lifetime achievement award as it is about being great, and great in big moments. The Bus will get into the Hall... bet on it.

Bettis = Vinny Testaverde

Except that he's been to many more Pro-Bowls, been a 1st team All-Pro (twice), has a Super Bowl ring, and he's going into the Hall of Fame.

Other than that, yeah... I can see a few similarities.

If we're going to cherry pick players that got (or will get) robbed of their HOF opportunities because of career ending injuries, my vote goes to William Andrews.

Bettis' career ending injury was that he got fat. What are you talking about?

I don't get it.

Thought you were talking about Bettis

You are talking about cherry picking players that were robbed on HOF opportunities. That doesn't apply to TD. No cherry picking necessary, but I know that type of language is something that you have to use due to your limitations.

Nope.

Limitations? Yeah, your problems are obvious.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Anyone watching tonight?

TD, Coryell didn't make the finalist list.

Dungy in. Tim Brown, Andre Reed, Marvin Harrison in.

How is Dungy in over Coryell?

 

[Yenrub]

I hope Andre Reed finally makes it in this year

 

[CalBear]

I hope Andre Reed finally makes it in this year

What does he have going for him? Most Super Bowl losses?

No All-Pros. No seasons in the top 4 in receiving yardage or TDs. 3 seasons over 1000 yards. 1 season with 10 TDs. Hall of Fame QB throwing him the ball.

The definition of a compiler.

 

[Yenrub]

I hope Andre Reed finally makes it in this year

What does he have going for him? Most Super Bowl losses?

No All-Pros. No seasons in the top 4 in receiving yardage or TDs. 3 seasons over 1000 yards. 1 season with 10 TDs. Hall of Fame QB throwing him the ball.

The definition of a compiler.

4 1000 yard seasons (plus 3 more over 900)

3rd in all time receptions at the time he retired (not sure about where he was in yards)

7 Pro Bowls

5 2nd team All NFL

 

[MoveToSkypager]

It's hard to criticize any WR during that time period to not get All NFL honors, since one spot was always designated for Jerry Rice. He was 1/3 of the K-Gun offense. You can't talk about that period of time in NFL history without mentioning Andre Reed.

 

[CalBear]

I hope Andre Reed finally makes it in this year

What does he have going for him? Most Super Bowl losses?

No All-Pros. No seasons in the top 4 in receiving yardage or TDs. 3 seasons over 1000 yards. 1 season with 10 TDs. Hall of Fame QB throwing him the ball.

The definition of a compiler.

4 1000 yard seasons (plus 3 more over 900)

3rd in all time receptions at the time he retired (not sure about where he was in yards)

7 Pro Bowls

5 2nd team All NFL

Right, exactly the sort of things you'd expect a compiler to have. You know who also has 4 1000 yard seasons, and just 150 fewer receptions than Reed with 5 fewer years in the league? Keyshawn Johnson. If Keyshawn played five more years and got 200 more receptions would he be more deserving than Reed?

 

[CalBear]

It's hard to criticize any WR during that time period to not get All NFL honors, since one spot was always designated for Jerry Rice. He was 1/3 of the K-Gun offense. You can't talk about that period of time in NFL history without mentioning Andre Reed.

Apparently at least three other spots were reserved, because at least 4 people beat Reed in yardage and TDs every year.

 

[Adam Harstad]

I hope Andre Reed finally makes it in this year

What does he have going for him? Most Super Bowl losses?

No All-Pros. No seasons in the top 4 in receiving yardage or TDs. 3 seasons over 1000 yards. 1 season with 10 TDs. Hall of Fame QB throwing him the ball.

The definition of a compiler.

Actually, I believe Charlie Joiner is the definition of compiler. But on the compiler scale, Reed rates a lot closer to Joiner than he does to, say, Carter and Brown.

 

[Raider Nation]

CANTON, Ohio (AP) - First-year nominees Derrick Brooks, Tony Dungy, Marvin Harrison and Walter Jones were among the 15 modern-era Pro Football Hall of Fame finalists in voting announced Thursday night.

Brooks was a linebacker with Tampa Bay; Dungy coached Tampa Bay and Indianapolis, leading the Colts to a Super Bowl title in 2007; Harrison was a receiver for Indianapolis; and Jones was an offensive tackle with Seattle.

Former New York Giants defensive end Michael Strahan also was selected a modern-era finalist along with defensive end/linebacker Charles Haley, defensive end/linebacker Kevin Greene, receiver Andre Reed, running back Jerome Bettis, receiver/returner Tim Brown, safety John Lynch, guard Will Shields, cornerback/safety Aeneas Williams, kicker Morten Andersen and former San Francisco owner Edward DeBartolo Jr.

Punter Ray Guy and defensive end Claude Humphrey were announced as senior nominees in August.

The 46-member selection committee will vote Feb. 1 in New York, with a minimum 80 percent required for induction.

Former NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue failed to advance. Former coaches Jimmy Johnson and Don Coryell and general manager George Young also dropped out along with fellow semifinalists Steve Atwater, Roger Craig, Terrell Davis, Joe Jacoby, Karl Mecklenburg and Steve Wisniewski.

Strahan, Andersen and Lynch are in their second year of eligibility. Shields is in his third year, Bettis his fourth, Brown and Williams their fifth, Reed his ninth, and Greene and Haley their 10th.

The modern-era finalists were chosen by the selection committee from a list of 126 nominees that was reduced to 25 semifinalists. Each finalist received a minimum vote of 80 percent.

To be eligible, modern-era players and coaches must have last played or coached more than five seasons ago.

If selected, Guy would become the first punter to be inducted. Andersen would become the second pure kicker, following Jan Stenerud.

Cris Carter, Jonathan Ogden, Larry Allen, Bill Parcells, Warren Sapp, Dave Robinson and Curley Culp were inducted last year, the 50th anniversary celebration of the hall.

 

[Bri]

Dungy and three players he coached, that's gotta be a cool feeling for a coach

 

[Bri]

It's hard to criticize any WR during that time period to not get All NFL honors, since one spot was always designated for Jerry Rice. He was 1/3 of the K-Gun offense. You can't talk about that period of time in NFL history without mentioning Andre Reed.

Apparently at least three other spots were reserved, because at least 4 people beat Reed in yardage and TDs every year.

leaves off receptions for a receiver....

 

[dutch]

Strahan, Brown, Harrison, Jones and either Brooks or Shields would get my vote.

If either is to be voted in it would be great if Andersen could make it before Guy as Andersen was clearly the more valuable player and it would still allow the Hall to celebrate having a kicker as an inductee to show they are opening things up a bit to speacial teamers.

 

[AB in DC]

Strahan, Brown, Harrison, Jones and either Brooks or Shields would get my vote.

I'd put Aeneas Williams in (over Brown). You don't see very many shutdown corners like him any more.

 

[massraider]

I'd put a lot of people in before Brown. Or Dungy. Or Haley. Or Greene.

George Young and Coryell should both be in there.

 

[CalBear]

It's hard to criticize any WR during that time period to not get All NFL honors, since one spot was always designated for Jerry Rice. He was 1/3 of the K-Gun offense. You can't talk about that period of time in NFL history without mentioning Andre Reed.

Apparently at least three other spots were reserved, because at least 4 people beat Reed in yardage and TDs every year.

leaves off receptions for a receiver....

I leave off carries for running backs, too. I don't think the fact that Eddie George had 403 carries in 2000 makes him a stronger candidate for the Hall.

But if you insist, in his 16-year career, Reed did finish second in receptions once. Other than that, never better than fifth. Woo.

 

[Adam Harstad]

It's hard to criticize any WR during that time period to not get All NFL honors, since one spot was always designated for Jerry Rice. He was 1/3 of the K-Gun offense. You can't talk about that period of time in NFL history without mentioning Andre Reed.

Apparently at least three other spots were reserved, because at least 4 people beat Reed in yardage and TDs every year.

leaves off receptions for a receiver....

I leave off carries for running backs, too. I don't think the fact that Eddie George had 403 carries in 2000 makes him a stronger candidate for the Hall.

But if you insist, in his 16-year career, Reed did finish second in receptions once. Other than that, never better than fifth. Woo.

I really wish we had easily accessible historical first down data. In the meantime, I think there's some slight merit to the idea of using receptions as a proxy for first downs, though it'd be better to use a formula that weights receptions based on yards per reception (because a guy averaging 20 per reception probably got a first down on a higher percentage of his catches than a guy averaging 10 per reception).

Also, since I'm making crazy wishes that will never come true, might as well ask for some good historical target data, too.

 

[CalBear]

It's hard to criticize any WR during that time period to not get All NFL honors, since one spot was always designated for Jerry Rice. He was 1/3 of the K-Gun offense. You can't talk about that period of time in NFL history without mentioning Andre Reed.

Apparently at least three other spots were reserved, because at least 4 people beat Reed in yardage and TDs every year.

leaves off receptions for a receiver....

I leave off carries for running backs, too. I don't think the fact that Eddie George had 403 carries in 2000 makes him a stronger candidate for the Hall.

But if you insist, in his 16-year career, Reed did finish second in receptions once. Other than that, never better than fifth. Woo.

I really wish we had easily accessible historical first down data. In the meantime, I think there's some slight merit to the idea of using receptions as a proxy for first downs, though it'd be better to use a formula that weights receptions based on yards per reception (because a guy averaging 20 per reception probably got a first down on a higher percentage of his catches than a guy averaging 10 per reception).

Also, since I'm making crazy wishes that will never come true, might as well ask for some good historical target data, too.

NFL.com has first down data back to 1991.

http://www.nfl.com/player/andrereed/2502607/careerstats

From 1991-2000, 67.1% of Reed's receptions were for first downs. The league average from 2002-2013 was 65.6%. So, not much there.

I think that yardage is likely a better proxy for first downs than receptions are, anyway.

 

[Adam Harstad]

NFL.com has first down data back to 1991.

http://www.nfl.com/player/andrereed/2502607/careerstats

From 1991-2000, 67.1% of Reed's receptions were for first downs. The league average from 2002-2013 was 65.6%. So, not much there.

I think that yardage is likely a better proxy for first downs than receptions are, anyway.

I don't know. I really think receptions would correlate more closely, just because each reception is an opportunity for a first down. I'd expect a guy with 50/1000 to have fewer first downs than a guy with 90/900, say. Not based on anything other than uninformed gut opinion.

As mentioned, I think receptions adjusted for ypr would be the best quick-and-dirty proxy. Find out what percentage of receptions go for FDs for receivers who average 20 ypr. Do the same for receivers who average 10 ypr. Run a regression. Profit. I believe Chase looked into the idea of using receptions as a proxy for first downs in his most recent iteration of the "greatest WR seasons" project, although I don't think he got very scientific with it.

I'm not saying that I think including first downs would help Reed's case, I'm just saying that if we're measuring strictly on output stats, I think "yards, touchdowns, and first downs" would be a big improvement over "yards and touchdowns".

 

[shadyridr]

Strahan, Brown, Harrison, Jones and either Brooks or Shields would get my vote.

If either is to be voted in it would be great if Andersen could make it before Guy as Andersen was clearly the more valuable player and it would still allow the Hall to celebrate having a kicker as an inductee to show they are opening things up a bit to speacial teamers.

Either Brooks? Hes the #1 lock on that list.

My 5: Brooks, Strahan, Harrison, Jones, Williams

 

[moleculo]

It's time for voters to stop dicking around and put Terrell Davis in the Hall, where he belongs.

I could make a million different arguments for why Davis should be a no-brainer. I mean, the raw hardware he brings to the table is among the best ever at the RB position- we're talking about 1 league MVP, 2 OPoYs, 3 first team AP All Pros, 1 SB MVP, and back-to-back rings as the consensus best/most valuable player on the team. You want records? Terrell Davis in 1997 had the second most rushing yards in history (regular and postseason combined). The only player who ever had more was... Terrell Davis in 1998.

The one I've been going with recently has been the postseason success. Everyone talks about how Joe Montana was so great because of his postseason resume. Well, Terrell Davis was the Joe Montana of postseason RBs, only more so. Consider: Adrian Peterson had the most productive 8-game stretch in history late last season, totaling 1395 yards and 9 touchdowns (with a 2 point conversion thrown in, just for good measure). That'd work out to 2790 yards and 18 TDs over a full season. That's pretty flipping insane for a half-season's work.

Terrell Davis, in 8 postseason games, had 1271 yards and 12 touchdowns (also with a 2pc thrown in for good measure). That'd work out to 2542 yards and 24 TDs over a full season. That'd be the most rushing yards, the most yards from scrimmage, and the 4th most touchdowns in a single season in NFL history.

Oh, one more thing. Adrian Peterson actually faced an above-average schedule during his run, with the 8 teams finishing the regular-season a combined 3 games above .500. The teams Terrell Davis faced in the playoffs collectively finished the regular season a combined 58 games above .500.

Fifty. Eight. Games.

Imagine Adrian Peterson did what he did last year against an unbroken string of 11-5 and 12-4 teams in a single-elimination tournament. Imagine a player had the greatest season in NFL history against the toughest schedule in NFL history for the highest stakes the NFL can possibly offer. That's Terrell Davis in the postseason. Saying he only had four seasons misses the point. Terrell Davis had FIVE seasons. His fifth season was the postseason. His fifth season was the greatest season by any back in history.

QFT. The fact that Bettis is in and Davis is out is the biggest travesty of the modern HoF era,

 

[BigSteelThrill]

*Apologies, quoted wrong numbers.

was "only" 5.4 (not 6.6).

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Strahan, Brown, Harrison, Jones and either Brooks or Shields would get my vote.

If either is to be voted in it would be great if Andersen could make it before Guy as Andersen was clearly the more valuable player and it would still allow the Hall to celebrate having a kicker as an inductee to show they are opening things up a bit to speacial teamers.

Either Brooks? Hes the #1 lock on that list.

My 5: Brooks, Strahan, Harrison, Jones, Williams

If Greene played in NY and Strahan played for the Rams and CAR, I bet you'd put Greene in. Greene was better than Strahan in every way.

edit to add, except for having gapped teeth. Strahan has the edge there.

 

[Premier]

Lol at Tim Brown over Derrick Brooks.

 

[dutch]

Strahan, Brown, Harrison, Jones and either Brooks or Shields would get my vote.

If either is to be voted in it would be great if Andersen could make it before Guy as Andersen was clearly the more valuable player and it would still allow the Hall to celebrate having a kicker as an inductee to show they are opening things up a bit to speacial teamers.

Either Brooks? Hes the #1 lock on that list.

My 5: Brooks, Strahan, Harrison, Jones, Williams

Lol at Tim Brown over Derrick Brooks.

yeah, I messed up in my post regarding Brooks, he's sure fire lock. Although I would still put Brown in over Shields since you can only vote for five and I consider Brown a HoFer who's paid his dues at this point.

 

[Yenrub]

Strahan, Brown, Harrison, Jones and either Brooks or Shields would get my vote.

If either is to be voted in it would be great if Andersen could make it before Guy as Andersen was clearly the more valuable player and it would still allow the Hall to celebrate having a kicker as an inductee to show they are opening things up a bit to speacial teamers.

Either Brooks? Hes the #1 lock on that list.

My 5: Brooks, Strahan, Harrison, Jones, Williams

If Greene played in NY and Strahan played for the Rams and CAR, I bet you'd put Greene in. Greene was better than Strahan in every way.

edit to add, except for having gapped teeth. Strahan has the edge there.

Greene was a bad man but I disagree that he was better in EVERY way than Strahan

Hard to compare the two since they played different positions

Strahan does a have a defensive player of the year award and 2 more 1st team All Pro "awards" than Greene

 

[Adam Harstad]

If Greene played in NY and Strahan played for the Rams and CAR, I bet you'd put Greene in. Greene was better than Strahan in every way.

 

[massraider]

Strahan, Brown, Harrison, Jones and either Brooks or Shields would get my vote.

If either is to be voted in it would be great if Andersen could make it before Guy as Andersen was clearly the more valuable player and it would still allow the Hall to celebrate having a kicker as an inductee to show they are opening things up a bit to speacial teamers.

Either Brooks? Hes the #1 lock on that list.My 5: Brooks, Strahan, Harrison, Jones, Williams

If Greene played in NY and Strahan played for the Rams and CAR, I bet you'd put Greene in. Greene was better than Strahan in every way.edit to add, except for having gapped teeth. Strahan has the edge there.

Here fishy fishy.

 

[Rove!]

Strahan, Brown, Harrison, Jones and either Brooks or Shields would get my vote.

If either is to be voted in it would be great if Andersen could make it before Guy as Andersen was clearly the more valuable player and it would still allow the Hall to celebrate having a kicker as an inductee to show they are opening things up a bit to speacial teamers.

Either Brooks? Hes the #1 lock on that list.

My 5: Brooks, Strahan, Harrison, Jones, Williams

If Greene played in NY and Strahan played for the Rams and CAR, I bet you'd put Greene in. Greene was better than Strahan in every way.

edit to add, except for having gapped teeth. Strahan has the edge there.

Greene was a bad man but I disagree that he was better in EVERY way than Strahan

Hard to compare the two since they played different positions

Strahan does a have a defensive player of the year award and 2 more 1st team All Pro "awards" than Greene

Greene was better at coach choking

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[Bri]

Strahan, Brown, Harrison, Jones and either Brooks or Shields would get my vote.

If either is to be voted in it would be great if Andersen could make it before Guy as Andersen was clearly the more valuable player and it would still allow the Hall to celebrate having a kicker as an inductee to show they are opening things up a bit to speacial teamers.

Either Brooks? Hes the #1 lock on that list.

My 5: Brooks, Strahan, Harrison, Jones, Williams

If Greene played in NY and Strahan played for the Rams and CAR, I bet you'd put Greene in. Greene was better than Strahan in every way.

Well of course, you've got Strahan playing for two teams; he'd get awfully tired and probably injured.

Your second sentence is more ridiculous than the first though.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

I would vote like this:

Brooks

Jones

Harrison

Strahan

Shields

Humphrey

Guy

I really wanted to fit Aeneas Williams as I feel he had an elite career on some bad cardinal teams and was a top corner for years before finally getting some notoriety on the Rams in his final years.

Brown and Reed are both favorites of mine but the 5 I put in all had better careers.

Haley's 5 SB Rings don't sway me as much to be honest.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Strahan, Brown, Harrison, Jones and either Brooks or Shields would get my vote.

If either is to be voted in it would be great if Andersen could make it before Guy as Andersen was clearly the more valuable player and it would still allow the Hall to celebrate having a kicker as an inductee to show they are opening things up a bit to speacial teamers.

Either Brooks? Hes the #1 lock on that list.

My 5: Brooks, Strahan, Harrison, Jones, Williams

If Greene played in NY and Strahan played for the Rams and CAR, I bet you'd put Greene in. Greene was better than Strahan in every way.

Well of course, you've got Strahan playing for two teams; he'd get awfully tired and probably injured.

Your second sentence is more ridiculous than the first though.

You should be super impressed with Greene then, since he played for 4 teams! How did he have the energy to play that well?

 

[Bri]

Strahan, Brown, Harrison, Jones and either Brooks or Shields would get my vote.

If either is to be voted in it would be great if Andersen could make it before Guy as Andersen was clearly the more valuable player and it would still allow the Hall to celebrate having a kicker as an inductee to show they are opening things up a bit to speacial teamers.

Either Brooks? Hes the #1 lock on that list.

My 5: Brooks, Strahan, Harrison, Jones, Williams

If Greene played in NY and Strahan played for the Rams and CAR, I bet you'd put Greene in. Greene was better than Strahan in every way.

Well of course, you've got Strahan playing for two teams; he'd get awfully tired and probably injured.

Your second sentence is more ridiculous than the first though.

You should be super impressed with Greene then, since he played for 4 teams! How did he have the energy to play that well?

You're missing the joke but...

Strahan split the field in a way I can only recall Smith and White doing. As far as I'm concerned, this is the greatest non-stat for a DE and if it's done often enough they should get in the HOF. When "week in week out" NFL teams decide to not even run plays to your side of the field, you've "made it" as a DE.

I love Emmitt, Johnston and the former Cowboys OL as much as the next guy, when you have that much awesome talent on offense and you won't run Strahan's way....that's quite significant.

One year Strahan was voted to the pro bowl and fans were crying he had such an off year, few sacks, fewer tackles etc. The articles around that time included quotes from opposing coaches that just totally put everything in perspective. It's great reading if you feel like googling

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Strahan, Brown, Harrison, Jones and either Brooks or Shields would get my vote.

If either is to be voted in it would be great if Andersen could make it before Guy as Andersen was clearly the more valuable player and it would still allow the Hall to celebrate having a kicker as an inductee to show they are opening things up a bit to speacial teamers.

Either Brooks? Hes the #1 lock on that list.

My 5: Brooks, Strahan, Harrison, Jones, Williams

If Greene played in NY and Strahan played for the Rams and CAR, I bet you'd put Greene in. Greene was better than Strahan in every way.

Well of course, you've got Strahan playing for two teams; he'd get awfully tired and probably injured.

Your second sentence is more ridiculous than the first though.

You should be super impressed with Greene then, since he played for 4 teams! How did he have the energy to play that well?

You're missing the joke but...

Strahan split the field in a way I can only recall Smith and White doing. As far as I'm concerned, this is the greatest non-stat for a DE and if it's done often enough they should get in the HOF. When "week in week out" NFL teams decide to not even run plays to your side of the field, you've "made it" as a DE.

I love Emmitt, Johnston and the former Cowboys OL as much as the next guy, when you have that much awesome talent on offense and you won't run Strahan's way....that's quite significant.

One year Strahan was voted to the pro bowl and fans were crying he had such an off year, few sacks, fewer tackles etc. The articles around that time included quotes from opposing coaches that just totally put everything in perspective. It's great reading if you feel like googling

I got your joke. I just wanted to poop on it.

 

[moondog]

It's time for voters to stop dicking around and put Terrell Davis in the Hall, where he belongs.

I could make a million different arguments for why Davis should be a no-brainer. I mean, the raw hardware he brings to the table is among the best ever at the RB position- we're talking about 1 league MVP, 2 OPoYs, 3 first team AP All Pros, 1 SB MVP, and back-to-back rings as the consensus best/most valuable player on the team. You want records? Terrell Davis in 1997 had the second most rushing yards in history (regular and postseason combined). The only player who ever had more was... Terrell Davis in 1998.

The one I've been going with recently has been the postseason success. Everyone talks about how Joe Montana was so great because of his postseason resume. Well, Terrell Davis was the Joe Montana of postseason RBs, only more so. Consider: Adrian Peterson had the most productive 8-game stretch in history late last season, totaling 1395 yards and 9 touchdowns (with a 2 point conversion thrown in, just for good measure). That'd work out to 2790 yards and 18 TDs over a full season. That's pretty flipping insane for a half-season's work.

Terrell Davis, in 8 postseason games, had 1271 yards and 12 touchdowns (also with a 2pc thrown in for good measure). That'd work out to 2542 yards and 24 TDs over a full season. That'd be the most rushing yards, the most yards from scrimmage, and the 4th most touchdowns in a single season in NFL history.

Oh, one more thing. Adrian Peterson actually faced an above-average schedule during his run, with the 8 teams finishing the regular-season a combined 3 games above .500. The teams Terrell Davis faced in the playoffs collectively finished the regular season a combined 58 games above .500.

Fifty. Eight. Games.

Imagine Adrian Peterson did what he did last year against an unbroken string of 11-5 and 12-4 teams in a single-elimination tournament. Imagine a player had the greatest season in NFL history against the toughest schedule in NFL history for the highest stakes the NFL can possibly offer. That's Terrell Davis in the postseason. Saying he only had four seasons misses the point. Terrell Davis had FIVE seasons. His fifth season was the postseason. His fifth season was the greatest season by any back in history.

QFT. The fact that Bettis is in and Davis is out is the biggest travesty of the modern HoF era,

Bettis isn't in the HOF but will be this time.

 

[Fariq]

It's time for voters to stop dicking around and put Terrell Davis in the Hall, where he belongs.

I could make a million different arguments for why Davis should be a no-brainer. I mean, the raw hardware he brings to the table is among the best ever at the RB position- we're talking about 1 league MVP, 2 OPoYs, 3 first team AP All Pros, 1 SB MVP, and back-to-back rings as the consensus best/most valuable player on the team. You want records? Terrell Davis in 1997 had the second most rushing yards in history (regular and postseason combined). The only player who ever had more was... Terrell Davis in 1998.

The one I've been going with recently has been the postseason success. Everyone talks about how Joe Montana was so great because of his postseason resume. Well, Terrell Davis was the Joe Montana of postseason RBs, only more so. Consider: Adrian Peterson had the most productive 8-game stretch in history late last season, totaling 1395 yards and 9 touchdowns (with a 2 point conversion thrown in, just for good measure). That'd work out to 2790 yards and 18 TDs over a full season. That's pretty flipping insane for a half-season's work.

Terrell Davis, in 8 postseason games, had 1271 yards and 12 touchdowns (also with a 2pc thrown in for good measure). That'd work out to 2542 yards and 24 TDs over a full season. That'd be the most rushing yards, the most yards from scrimmage, and the 4th most touchdowns in a single season in NFL history.

Oh, one more thing. Adrian Peterson actually faced an above-average schedule during his run, with the 8 teams finishing the regular-season a combined 3 games above .500. The teams Terrell Davis faced in the playoffs collectively finished the regular season a combined 58 games above .500.

Fifty. Eight. Games.

Imagine Adrian Peterson did what he did last year against an unbroken string of 11-5 and 12-4 teams in a single-elimination tournament. Imagine a player had the greatest season in NFL history against the toughest schedule in NFL history for the highest stakes the NFL can possibly offer. That's Terrell Davis in the postseason. Saying he only had four seasons misses the point. Terrell Davis had FIVE seasons. His fifth season was the postseason. His fifth season was the greatest season by any back in history.

QFT. The fact that Bettis is in and Davis is out is the biggest travesty of the modern HoF era,

Bettis isn't in the HOF but will be this time.

Yeah, but he shouldn't be was the guy's point. Nobody with a straight face could say Bettis was better than Davis as a RB.

 

[Raider Nation]

@SI_PeterKingHall of Fame meeting just ended. Believe it's longest one ever. Meeting time: 8 hrs, 59 mins. Results at 7 pm.

 

[netnalp]

GiantsWFAN & #8207;@giantswfan 34s

Voting for @profootballHOF has concluded.....early but unconfirmed word is #Strahan will be in

 

[gump]

Pile em up, Bucs!

 

[Premier]

@DBrooks55: Thought of tonight is JOY, HUMILITY, and gratefulness, I'm in the Hall of Fame Now

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Andre Reed made it this year

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Sounds like it's Brooks, Strahan, Walter Jones, Andre Reed, and Ray Guy. Reed over Harrison? Reed and Guy over Charles Haley? Ugh

 

[CalBear]

Sounds like it's Brooks, Strahan, Walter Jones, Andre Reed, and Ray Guy. Reed over Harrison? Reed and Guy over Charles Haley? Ugh

Wow, what an awful class.

 

[Tau837]

Sounds like it's Brooks, Strahan, Walter Jones, Andre Reed, and Ray Guy. Reed over Harrison? Reed and Guy over Charles Haley? Ugh

Wasn't Guy a senior candidate? If so, that would leave one more spot for a non-senior candidate, though they are not required to put 5 in.

 

[Raider Nation]

Sounds like it's Brooks, Strahan, Walter Jones, Andre Reed, and Ray Guy. Reed over Harrison? Reed and Guy over Charles Haley? Ugh

Wasn't Guy a senior candidate?

Yes. And it's about damn time.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Sounds like it's Brooks, Strahan, Walter Jones, Andre Reed, and Ray Guy. Reed over Harrison? Reed and Guy over Charles Haley? Ugh

Wasn't Guy a senior candidate? If so, that would leave one more spot for a non-senior candidate, though they are not required to put 5 in.

Yeah I guess. Aeneas Williams is the other guy. Poo