2014 Rookie RB Class (1 Viewer)

[BuzzCagney]

Its Trini Lopez.

Yeah, still, though, the percentage of drafts in which OBJ goes around #15 must be extremely low in competitive leagues (given your stated starting requirements and scoring, that is still inexplicable), I would think less than 10%. I may be off by an order of magnitude, it could be less than 1%.

If somebody was in a league that had normal scoring, but inexplicably took 10 TEs with the first 10 picks, and was constantly berating and haranguing the rankings because there weren't 10 TEs ranked among the top 10 ranking slots, it would be no less tedious and bizarre.

Looks like Miles Davis to me.

 

[cstu]

DraftScout has CJ Spiller with a 10'6" broad jump at his pro day.

The average broad jump of a 1st round RB from 2004-present was about 10'3".

Here are the results in terms of inches over 9 feet (i.e. 9'5" = 5, 10'2" = 14, etc.). I'm posting this as a table, but guessing the forum will fudge the formatting.

David Wilson 24 Chris Johnson 22 DeAngelo Williams 21 Jonathan Stewart 20 Beanie Wells 20 Darren McFadden 20 Reggie Bush 20 Adrian Peterson 19 CJ Spiller 18 Marshawn Lynch 17 Joseph Addai 17 Donald Brown 17 Chris Perry 16 Felix Jones 16 Laurence Maroney 15 Ryan Mathews 13 Kevin Jones 12 Doug Martin 12 Steven Jackson 10 Cadillac Williams 10 Ronnie Brown 9 Rashard Mendenhall 9 Knowshon Moreno 7 Mark Ingram 5 Jahvid Best 5

It's not a magic bullet by any means, but certainly something to look at.

My hunch from looking at the numbers over the years is that tall guys (i.e. Justin Hunter and Calvin Johnson) tend to do the best in this drill and that short guys seem to be at a disadvantage (i.e. Ray Rice and MJD). Without actually compiling all the data, I think it's a safe guess that tall generally = long legs which generally = better marks in this drill if all else is equal.

That makes the long jumps by the likes of Wilson and Mason even more impressive.

Was Zac Stacy's long jump impressive? Or the mark of someone average?

Yes, he did well. Two things jump out to me about him before I even look at the result:

1. He's short. He's a shade over 5'8", so right away you're probably not expecting a great leap. Short guys can certainly put up some big numbers in this drill, but an explosive short guy is never going to match an explosive tall guy (Calvin did 11'7" and Hunter did 11'4" last year).

2. He's heavy. Stacy has an average weight at 216 pounds, but when you consider that he's only a little over 5'8" that's pretty huge. So he's kinda carrying a piano on his back relative to some of the little guys like Chris Johnson, CJ Spiller, and Darren McFadden who had big marks in this drill. Lean guys seem to have a big edge in this drill, so if a heavy back can match or exceed their performance then that's pretty impressive.

Stacy's combine best was a 10'2". That's a hair below average compared to your typical elite RB prospect, but when you consider the two factors I mentioned above I think it's undoubtedly a very impressive mark. If you wanted to dissect his combine numbers, his 33" vertical probably offers the most cause for alarm.

Stacy and Mason being the same height makes for an interesting comparison.

Mason weighed 9 lbs. less but had a vertical 5.5" higher and broad 4" longer at the combine. Stacy did have the same broad as Mason at his Pro Day (10-06).

Mason's 10/20/40 was faster (1.53/2.50/4.45) than Stacy's (1.56/2.57/4.53). Stacy had 27 bench reps, a drill that Mason did not do.

They also both did 6.7 in the cone drill. I read that Mason's official time in the 40 was 4.5.

The original "official" time reported on the day of the combine was 4.50 for Mason and 4.55 for Stacy. nfldraftscout's updated times (which they released a few weeks after the combine) are 4.45 for Mason and 4.53 for Stacy.

On 4/29 nfldraftscouts has the time as 4.5 then on 5/8 it's 4.45. I'm curious. What causes the change?

Link

Here is what happens to get the 40 times at the Combine that are revealed:

--Those who participate in the 40 actually run twice, and on each run they are timed by two hand-held stopwatches and one electronic timer (that is actually initiated by hand on the player's first movement).

--Combine data put together for NFL teams by National Scouting includes all six of those times for each player, but no single official time.

Team scouts and coaches have various approaches for reaching agreement on a 40 time they use from those six timings. Some use averages. Some throw out slowest and fastest and then average the rest. Some ignore the whole thing and use a time taken by their own scout.

 

[BuzzCagney]

DraftScout has CJ Spiller with a 10'6" broad jump at his pro day.

The average broad jump of a 1st round RB from 2004-present was about 10'3".

Here are the results in terms of inches over 9 feet (i.e. 9'5" = 5, 10'2" = 14, etc.). I'm posting this as a table, but guessing the forum will fudge the formatting.

David Wilson 24 Chris Johnson 22 DeAngelo Williams 21 Jonathan Stewart 20 Beanie Wells 20 Darren McFadden 20 Reggie Bush 20 Adrian Peterson 19 CJ Spiller 18 Marshawn Lynch 17 Joseph Addai 17 Donald Brown 17 Chris Perry 16 Felix Jones 16 Laurence Maroney 15 Ryan Mathews 13 Kevin Jones 12 Doug Martin 12 Steven Jackson 10 Cadillac Williams 10 Ronnie Brown 9 Rashard Mendenhall 9 Knowshon Moreno 7 Mark Ingram 5 Jahvid Best 5

It's not a magic bullet by any means, but certainly something to look at.

My hunch from looking at the numbers over the years is that tall guys (i.e. Justin Hunter and Calvin Johnson) tend to do the best in this drill and that short guys seem to be at a disadvantage (i.e. Ray Rice and MJD). Without actually compiling all the data, I think it's a safe guess that tall generally = long legs which generally = better marks in this drill if all else is equal.

That makes the long jumps by the likes of Wilson and Mason even more impressive.

Was Zac Stacy's long jump impressive? Or the mark of someone average?

Yes, he did well. Two things jump out to me about him before I even look at the result:

1. He's short. He's a shade over 5'8", so right away you're probably not expecting a great leap. Short guys can certainly put up some big numbers in this drill, but an explosive short guy is never going to match an explosive tall guy (Calvin did 11'7" and Hunter did 11'4" last year).

2. He's heavy. Stacy has an average weight at 216 pounds, but when you consider that he's only a little over 5'8" that's pretty huge. So he's kinda carrying a piano on his back relative to some of the little guys like Chris Johnson, CJ Spiller, and Darren McFadden who had big marks in this drill. Lean guys seem to have a big edge in this drill, so if a heavy back can match or exceed their performance then that's pretty impressive.

Stacy's combine best was a 10'2". That's a hair below average compared to your typical elite RB prospect, but when you consider the two factors I mentioned above I think it's undoubtedly a very impressive mark. If you wanted to dissect his combine numbers, his 33" vertical probably offers the most cause for alarm.

Stacy and Mason being the same height makes for an interesting comparison.

Mason weighed 9 lbs. less but had a vertical 5.5" higher and broad 4" longer at the combine. Stacy did have the same broad as Mason at his Pro Day (10-06).

Mason's 10/20/40 was faster (1.53/2.50/4.45) than Stacy's (1.56/2.57/4.53). Stacy had 27 bench reps, a drill that Mason did not do.

They also both did 6.7 in the cone drill. I read that Mason's official time in the 40 was 4.5.

The original "official" time reported on the day of the combine was 4.50 for Mason and 4.55 for Stacy. nfldraftscout's updated times (which they released a few weeks after the combine) are 4.45 for Mason and 4.53 for Stacy.

On 4/29 nfldraftscouts has the time as 4.5 then on 5/8 it's 4.45. I'm curious. What causes the change?

Link

Here is what happens to get the 40 times at the Combine that are revealed:

--Those who participate in the 40 actually run twice, and on each run they are timed by two hand-held stopwatches and one electronic timer (that is actually initiated by hand on the player's first movement).

--Combine data put together for NFL teams by National Scouting includes all six of those times for each player, but no single official time.

Team scouts and coaches have various approaches for reaching agreement on a 40 time they use from those six timings. Some use averages. Some throw out slowest and fastest and then average the rest. Some ignore the whole thing and use a time taken by their own scout.

Thanks

I always read that pro day times are be to disregarded because they are hand held timed and less accurate and that the combine's electronic timing was the most accurate. Yet draft scouts averages in 4 hand held times and that supposed to be more "official".

I think the combine's official "official" times would be the most consistent measures to go by.

 

[BigTex]

DraftScout has CJ Spiller with a 10'6" broad jump at his pro day.

The average broad jump of a 1st round RB from 2004-present was about 10'3".

Here are the results in terms of inches over 9 feet (i.e. 9'5" = 5, 10'2" = 14, etc.). I'm posting this as a table, but guessing the forum will fudge the formatting.

David Wilson 24 Chris Johnson 22 DeAngelo Williams 21 Jonathan Stewart 20 Beanie Wells 20 Darren McFadden 20 Reggie Bush 20 Adrian Peterson 19 CJ Spiller 18 Marshawn Lynch 17 Joseph Addai 17 Donald Brown 17 Chris Perry 16 Felix Jones 16 Laurence Maroney 15 Ryan Mathews 13 Kevin Jones 12 Doug Martin 12 Steven Jackson 10 Cadillac Williams 10 Ronnie Brown 9 Rashard Mendenhall 9 Knowshon Moreno 7 Mark Ingram 5 Jahvid Best 5

It's not a magic bullet by any means, but certainly something to look at.

My hunch from looking at the numbers over the years is that tall guys (i.e. Justin Hunter and Calvin Johnson) tend to do the best in this drill and that short guys seem to be at a disadvantage (i.e. Ray Rice and MJD). Without actually compiling all the data, I think it's a safe guess that tall generally = long legs which generally = better marks in this drill if all else is equal.

That makes the long jumps by the likes of Wilson and Mason even more impressive.

Sankey is on that list as well.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think there are some good RBs in the class, but also think being in a league where Alfred Blue goes almost as high as OBJ gives you an atypical perspective that may not be very representative of the league's that many who post here play in.

Whatever - each league is its own league... Some guy took him high - so what. I think it was stupid as well... That's the real world!

Honestly, although I did mention Blue in a tongue and cheek way in the other thread, I tend to agree. In a rookie draft, I think the main thing is leaving the draft with the guys you want/like - even if you stay a bit from ADP. In the case of Blue, the second was likely too early and the guy probably could have waited until at least round 3 (I've seen him go 5th round or undrafted in my three drafts so far), but with the way RBs were flying off the board in the league, if the guy is really a big beleiver and thinks he was the BPA, why get cute and risk losing him.

I think ADP is much more important in a redraft league (where we kind of "know" what to expect from each player) than a rookie draft. Blue may have been a "bad" pick based on the guy losing some draft value, but if he goes onto becoming a star, who cares?

And yes I know the pitfalls in making an argument centering on "bad process with good results", but I am trying to make the point that I'm not sure there is such a thing as "bad process" in a rookie draft, as long as the guy does the proper research and makes his own draft board and isn't just throwing darts.

Even in the NFL draft, Seattle was slammed the first two years of the new regime's drafts for "reaching" but now that we've seen that results have been there, they are now considered a model franchise when it comes to the draft.

 

[karmarooster]

DraftScout has CJ Spiller with a 10'6" broad jump at his pro day.

The average broad jump of a 1st round RB from 2004-present was about 10'3".

Here are the results in terms of inches over 9 feet (i.e. 9'5" = 5, 10'2" = 14, etc.). I'm posting this as a table, but guessing the forum will fudge the formatting.

David Wilson 24 Chris Johnson 22 DeAngelo Williams 21 Jonathan Stewart 20 Beanie Wells 20 Darren McFadden 20 Reggie Bush 20 Adrian Peterson 19 CJ Spiller 18 Marshawn Lynch 17 Joseph Addai 17 Donald Brown 17 Chris Perry 16 Felix Jones 16 Laurence Maroney 15 Ryan Mathews 13 Kevin Jones 12 Doug Martin 12 Steven Jackson 10 Cadillac Williams 10 Ronnie Brown 9 Rashard Mendenhall 9 Knowshon Moreno 7 Mark Ingram 5 Jahvid Best 5

It's not a magic bullet by any means, but certainly something to look at.

My hunch from looking at the numbers over the years is that tall guys (i.e. Justin Hunter and Calvin Johnson) tend to do the best in this drill and that short guys seem to be at a disadvantage (i.e. Ray Rice and MJD). Without actually compiling all the data, I think it's a safe guess that tall generally = long legs which generally = better marks in this drill if all else is equal.

That makes the long jumps by the likes of Wilson and Mason even more impressive.

Sankey is on that list as well.

Seastrunk was at 11'2''... so a 26, top of the list. While standing 5'9'' tall. And Megatron? He was at 11'7''... so 5 inches more despite standing 8 inches taller.

I'm not sure how much it means though, when some obviously dynamic backs like Best put up some stinkers, while some obvious plodders like Addai and Maroney put up some good numbers.

 

[cstu]

DraftScout has CJ Spiller with a 10'6" broad jump at his pro day.

The average broad jump of a 1st round RB from 2004-present was about 10'3".

Here are the results in terms of inches over 9 feet (i.e. 9'5" = 5, 10'2" = 14, etc.). I'm posting this as a table, but guessing the forum will fudge the formatting.

David Wilson 24 Chris Johnson 22 DeAngelo Williams 21 Jonathan Stewart 20 Beanie Wells 20 Darren McFadden 20 Reggie Bush 20 Adrian Peterson 19 CJ Spiller 18 Marshawn Lynch 17 Joseph Addai 17 Donald Brown 17 Chris Perry 16 Felix Jones 16 Laurence Maroney 15 Ryan Mathews 13 Kevin Jones 12 Doug Martin 12 Steven Jackson 10 Cadillac Williams 10 Ronnie Brown 9 Rashard Mendenhall 9 Knowshon Moreno 7 Mark Ingram 5 Jahvid Best 5

It's not a magic bullet by any means, but certainly something to look at.

My hunch from looking at the numbers over the years is that tall guys (i.e. Justin Hunter and Calvin Johnson) tend to do the best in this drill and that short guys seem to be at a disadvantage (i.e. Ray Rice and MJD). Without actually compiling all the data, I think it's a safe guess that tall generally = long legs which generally = better marks in this drill if all else is equal.

That makes the long jumps by the likes of Wilson and Mason even more impressive.

Sankey is on that list as well.

Seastrunk was at 11'2''... so a 26, top of the list. While standing 5'9'' tall. And Megatron? He was at 11'7''... so 5 inches more despite standing 8 inches taller.

I'm not sure how much it means though, when some obviously dynamic backs like Best put up some stinkers, while some obvious plodders like Addai and Maroney put up some good numbers.

David Wilson was 11' with a 41" vertical, I don't place much emphasis on those measurements but use them as red flag if they are too low (Ingram's 9'05" and 31.5").

 

[jmo87usc]

I think there are some good RBs in the class, but also think being in a league where Alfred Blue goes almost as high as OBJ gives you an atypical perspective that may not be very representative of the league's that many who post here play in.

Whatever - each league is its own league... Some guy took him high - so what. I think it was stupid as well... That's the real world!

Honestly, although I did mention Blue in a tongue and cheek way in the other thread, I tend to agree. In a rookie draft, I think the main thing is leaving the draft with the guys you want/like - even if you stay a bit from ADP. In the case of Blue, the second was likely too early and the guy probably could have waited until at least round 3 (I've seen him go 5th round or undrafted in my three drafts so far), but with the way RBs were flying off the board in the league, if the guy is really a big beleiver and thinks he was the BPA, why get cute and risk losing him.

I think ADP is much more important in a redraft league (where we kind of "know" what to expect from each player) than a rookie draft. Blue may have been a "bad" pick based on the guy losing some draft value, but if he goes onto becoming a star, who cares?

And yes I know the pitfalls in making an argument centering on "bad process with good results", but I am trying to make the point that I'm not sure there is such a thing as "bad process" in a rookie draft, as long as the guy does the proper research and makes his own draft board and isn't just throwing darts.

Even in the NFL draft, Seattle was slammed the first two years of the new regime's drafts for "reaching" but now that we've seen that results have been there, they are now considered a model franchise when it comes to the draft.

Well said. I remember guys in my league getting laughed at for taking Anquan Boldin 4th overall and Legarrett Blount 15th overall after he was undrafted. No one was laughing by week 5. Sometimes you have to make a bold move that goes against the consensus

 

[Brewtown]

Gobs of mediocrity. People will talk about the devaluing of the RB position in the NFL after this draft, but the talent just isn't there. None of these guys have the right characteristics of a first rounder. They're either too small, too slow, or not explosive enough. I think it's a lot like last year's class. Situation will be huge.

I tentatively have it:

1. Hyde

2. Hill

3. Mason

4. Seastrunk

5. Sankey

6. Williams

Not necessarily married to those rankings, but that's the rough picture for me. Big fat "meh" for this group. All are 2nd-4th NFL draft talents. However, we saw last year what merely "good" backs like Bell and Lacy could do in favorable situations. No reason why Hyde, Sankey, or Hill can't duplicate the feat.

What happened to your boy with special/elite talents - Seastrunk? #4 on your board in this so called "meh" class.

You had Seastrunk touted as a first ballot Hall of Famer before the combine.

You are devaluing this class too much! Why? Because it is not easy for you to pick the best fruit from the tree....

Bell and Lacy are quality backs too. They are not "meh" backs. They really showed last year that they can carry their teams. Kudos to them for bringing great value to their teams and their fantasy owners.

Boo to you for not being able to fully recognize how much of a difference maker that they both could be.

You are making the same mistake that you made last year in under-valuing THIS YEARS RB class.

Meh - running back class in 2014....

Pedestrian

Blah, blah, blah...

 

[Sabertooth]

Green Bay wasn't a good situation for backs until Lacy got there.

 

[jtd13]

Green Bay wasn't a good situation for backs until Lacy got there.

GB had been trying to change their offense to focus on the run more, they just didn't have any backs worth anything. Look at how they used Benson before he got hurt the year before drafting Lacy.

 

[Brewtown]

Mason and McKinnon showed well last night...

Watch for Sankey tonight!

 

[Biabreakable]

I enjoyed re-reading some of the articles in here.

Lace Seastrunk seems to be a case of the measurables and performance not being enough to guarantee a roster spot.

 

[Sabertooth]

This is as good a place as any to discuss the potential studs and duds from the 2014 class. We've had a year to watch them, some can really play. Who are you targetting? Who are you dumping? Rank them for dynasty PPR (FBG scoring) 1-10.

Here's a nice article written on the cusp of the fantasy playoffs (December 3rd, just after Week 13)

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/3834/the-2014-rookie-running-back-class-who-is-the-best

Here are my rankings.

1. Jeremy Hill (Picked 55th overall 2014, currently Dynasty League Football RB6) - Looks like a long term starter with limited upside due to Gio. Safest pick despite character issues. He can play in the NFL.

2. Bishop Sankey (Picked 54th overall, currently DLF RB29) - Decent draft pedigree (first back taken) and no competition means he has every chance to prove himself. Kind of the opposite of Jeremy Hill.

3. Isiah Crowell (Undrafted in 2014, currently DLF RB20) - I love kids who demand to get on the field. He ascended the depth chart quickly but got stuck in a battle with West for touches. I tend to think both struggled with the playbook and one will take a bigger chunk of the apple this season. My money is on Crowell.

4. Carlos Hyde (Picked 57th overall in 2014, DLF RB9) - Draft pedigree, big bruiser with nobody in his way. But is San Fran going to be a good rushing team?

5. Tre Mason (Picked 75th, DLF RB14) - Top rusher on a Jeff Fisher team, yes please. Not great, but has some talent. I could see 220 carries here.

6. Charles Sims (Picked 69th, DLF RB42) - If Peterson comes here, he drops to the bottom. Seems like a good two-way player and could rack up points if they can get some players around him. I like his talent.

7. Jerick McKinnon (Picked 96th, DLF 23) - Boom or bust. He's either going to make huge jump and be the next Ahman Green, or he's going to fade away as a better all around back takes a chunk out of the carries.

8. Devonte Freeman (Picked 103, DLF RB31) - Didn't do much but might have a nice opportunity with Sjax gone. A poor man's Bishop Sankey.

10. Terrence West (Picked 94th, DLF RB28) - He might, just might take this job in camp and cement it. I like Crowell and West as handcuffs in my patented (throw some #### at the wall and see what sticks) management style.

 

[EBF]

This is as good a place as any to discuss the potential studs and duds from the 2014 class. We've had a year to watch them, some can really play. Who are you targetting? Who are you dumping? Rank them for dynasty PPR (FBG scoring) 1-10.

Here's a nice article written on the cusp of the fantasy playoffs (December 3rd, just after Week 13)

https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/3834/the-2014-rookie-running-back-class-who-is-the-best

Here are my rankings.

1. Jeremy Hill (Picked 55th overall 2014, currently Dynasty League Football RB6) - Looks like a long term starter with limited upside due to Gio. Safest pick despite character issues. He can play in the NFL.

2. Bishop Sankey (Picked 54th overall, currently DLF RB29) - Decent draft pedigree (first back taken) and no competition means he has every chance to prove himself. Kind of the opposite of Jeremy Hill.

3. Isiah Crowell (Undrafted in 2014, currently DLF RB20) - I love kids who demand to get on the field. He ascended the depth chart quickly but got stuck in a battle with West for touches. I tend to think both struggled with the playbook and one will take a bigger chunk of the apple this season. My money is on Crowell.

4. Carlos Hyde (Picked 57th overall in 2014, DLF RB9) - Draft pedigree, big bruiser with nobody in his way. But is San Fran going to be a good rushing team?

5. Tre Mason (Picked 75th, DLF RB14) - Top rusher on a Jeff Fisher team, yes please. Not great, but has some talent. I could see 220 carries here.

6. Charles Sims (Picked 69th, DLF RB42) - If Peterson comes here, he drops to the bottom. Seems like a good two-way player and could rack up points if they can get some players around him. I like his talent.

7. Jerick McKinnon (Picked 96th, DLF 23) - Boom or bust. He's either going to make huge jump and be the next Ahman Green, or he's going to fade away as a better all around back takes a chunk out of the carries.

8. Devonte Freeman (Picked 103, DLF RB31) - Didn't do much but might have a nice opportunity with Sjax gone. A poor man's Bishop Sankey.

10. Terrence West (Picked 94th, DLF RB28) - He might, just might take this job in camp and cement it. I like Crowell and West as handcuffs in my patented (throw some #### at the wall and see what sticks) management style.

Sankey showed nothing last year despite having a clear line to a starting job. Way too high here.

I like what I saw of Hill, Mason, and McKinnon. Moderately high on Hyde and Crowell. Could see West and Williams having relevant seasons if everything falls right for them. Wouldn't bother with the rest.

 

[Bri]

Antonio Andrews was "this close" to playing some series as the season closed and Sankey wasn't really playing. I expect competition there for Sankey.

Whisenhunt was pretty vocal about wanting a tough runner and Sankey running tougher. Andrews is that, but also I totally expect they draft one and sign a UDFA and keep the toughest.

Edit to add a little more-

Andrews was a UDFA people here liked a lot. He did well in preseason, was on the practice squad and did well, got promoted to active roster despite many backs on the roster already, returned kicks and did well....he moved up due to performance every chance he got.

He's got the "come through for me" vibe with Whisenhunt, while Sankey seems to be the opposite

 

[cstu]

Sankey showed nothing last year despite having a clear line to a starting job. Way too high here.

I like what I saw of Hill, Mason, and McKinnon. Moderately high on Hyde and Crowell. Could see West and Williams having relevant seasons if everything falls right for them. Wouldn't bother with the rest.

Sankey had nearly the same season as West and a better one than Williams. You don't like Sankey, it's as simple as that. You were adamant about Trent Richardson even though he was clearly not a good back. Sankey may never pan out but he was only a rookie. Did you give up on Spiller after his rookie year?

Here are the RB's who caught 10+ passes and had under a 4.0 YPC last year:

 		Year 	Age 	Draft 	Tm 	Lg 	G 	GS 	Att 	Yds 	Y/A ▾ 	TD 	Y/G 	Tgt 	Rec 	Yds 	Y/R 	TD 	Y/G 	Ctch% 	Touch 	TotOff 	YScm 	APYd 	RtYTerrance West 	2014 	23 	3-94 	CLE 	NFL 	14 	6 	171 	673 	3.94 	4 	48.1 	13 	11 	64 	5.82 	1 	4.6 	84.6 	182 	673 	737 	737 	0Devonta Freeman 2014 	22 	4-103 	ATL 	NFL 	16 	0 	65 	248 	3.82 	1 	15.5 	37 	30 	225 	7.50 	1 	14.1 	81.1 	95 	248 	473 	473 	0Bishop Sankey 	2014 	22 	2-54 	TEN 	NFL 	16 	9 	152 	569 	3.74 	2 	35.6 	23 	18 	133 	7.39 	0 	8.3 	78.3 	177 	569 	702 	900 	198Branden Oliver 	2014 	23 		SDG 	NFL 	14 	7 	160 	582 	3.64 	3 	41.6 	45 	36 	271 	7.53 	1 	19.4 	80.0 	197 	582 	853 	875 	22Damien Williams 2014 			MIA 	NFL 	15 	15 	36 	122 	3.39 	0 	8.1 	27 	21 	187 	8.90 	1 	12.5 	77.8 	62 	122 	309 	411 	102Andre Williams 	2014 	22 	4-113 	NYG 	NFL 	16 	7 	217 	721 	3.32 	7 	45.1 	37 	18 	130 	7.22 	0 	8.1 	48.6 	235 	721 	851 	851 	0Alfred Blue 	2014 	23 	6-181 	HOU 	NFL 	16 	3 	169 	528 	3.12 	2 	33.0 	18 	15 	113 	7.53 	1 	7.1 	83.3 	184 	528 	641 	641 	0Charles Sims 	2014 	24 	3-69 	TAM 	NFL 	8 	0 	66 	185 	2.80 	1 	23.1 	27 	19 	190 	10.00 	0 	23.8 	70.4 	85 	185 	375 	375 	0

 

[EBF]

Sankey had nearly the same season as West and a better one than Williams. You don't like Sankey, it's as simple as that. You were adamant about Trent Richardson even though he was clearly not a good back. Sankey may never pan out but he was only a rookie. Did you give up on Spiller after his rookie year?

You're right. I don't like Sankey. Why? Because he sucks.

Didn't you trade Mike Evans for him last year or something crazy like that? I seem to recall that from one of the HA leagues. If you liked him that much in the first place then it's not really surprising that you're grasping for the silver linings. Mothers tend to love their ugly babies. Alas, ugly babies are still ugly and the rose-tinted glasses that their parents wear don't change that. You consistently bend over backwards to defend Stanky and I think it's all so much denial. The T-Rich mention is ironic since the script has flipped. This time you're the one trying to tell yourself the story you want to believe when the obvious truth is staring at you in the face.

Dude stunk up the joint last year and showed almost nothing despite having a huge opportunity (albeit on a bad team). Go ahead and think he's Spiller or Tomlinson or some other (much more highly-touted) rookie RB who struggled. I'll go on thinking he's not a fraction of the talent and in another couple years we'll revisit the topic.

 

[cstu]

Sankey had nearly the same season as West and a better one than Williams. You don't like Sankey, it's as simple as that. You were adamant about Trent Richardson even though he was clearly not a good back. Sankey may never pan out but he was only a rookie. Did you give up on Spiller after his rookie year?

You're right. I don't like Sankey. Why? Because he sucks.

Didn't you trade Mike Evans for him last year or something crazy like that? I seem to recall that from one of the HA leagues. If you liked him that much in the first place then it's not really surprising that you're grasping for the silver linings. Mothers tend to love their ugly babies. Alas, ugly babies are still ugly and the rose-tinted glasses that their parents wear don't change that. You consistently bend over backwards to defend Stanky and I think it's all so much denial. The T-Rich mention is ironic since the script has flipped. This time you're the one trying to tell yourself the story you want to believe when the obvious truth is staring at you in the face.

Dude stunk up the joint last year and showed almost nothing despite having a huge opportunity (albeit on a bad team). Go ahead and think he's Spiller or Tomlinson or some other (much more highly-touted) rookie RB who struggled. I'll go on thinking he's not a fraction of the talent and in another couple years we'll revisit the topic.

I liked Sankey, that's true but I also accept he could be a total bust. The trade included Eifert, didn't know he'd get injured as soon as I made the trade.

 

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Kind of funny the biggest proponent of Branden Oliver thinks Sankey sucks.

 

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I'd like to see some other lists.