Short Corner
Footballguy
nirad3 said:
His form is horrible.
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
2015 NBA Draft - Sixers set to draft Okafor; will stash him in Europe (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Capella
- Start date
His form is horrible.
trader jake
Footballguy
Short Corner
Footballguy
Maybe he needed an undersized SF who can't shoot.Kev4029 said:
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Short Corner
Footballguy
So MIA might be big FA players with all of that cap space they don't have?trader jake said:
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Hey, a reference to the Citizen Kane of alcoholic clown movies! Apparently next year I should get in on this draft night thread.
Is there a Bruce Dickinson breakdown of Kelly Oubre Jr. available somewhere on this message board? I don't know the first thing about the guy.
BY TOM SORENSEN
tsorensen@charlotteobserver.com
[*]
[*]
[*]
The draft was moving along as if the Charlotte Hornets had scripted it. Willie Cauley-Stein went early so somebody else had to go late. You know who was out there with only one team between him and the Hornets?
Justise Winslow of Duke was.
The Hornets drafted ninth, and if Winslow fell to them, he would be a gift. He’s tall, fast and selfless, plays very good defense, can go to the basket and hit from distance. Sure, he’s a small forward, and in Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Charlotte has a good one. But the NBA is not about positions. It’s about talent. Winslow, who helped lead Duke to the NCAA championship, has it.
I ripped general manager Rich Cho in a column Thursday. But if Winslow fell to Charlotte, nobody could rip this pick. And he did fall. The Pistons inexplicably decided to take Stanley Johnson.
So go to the bench, Nicolas Batum. The Hornets have their man.
I left the press room at Time Warner Cable Arena to feel the excitement from fans. Oh, were fans excited. They tittered like kids. Commissioner Adam Silver walked to the lectern and announced that with the ninth pick the Hornets selected – Wisconsin’s Frank Kaminsky.
Thus did the excitement end. Fans were shocked and sad and really angry.
Miami took Winslow with the 10th pick. It’s almost as if Miami president Pat Riley knows what he’s doing.
I’m perplexed. No, that’s not true. I’m shocked. I fail to understand Charlotte’s rationale. Nothing against Kaminisky, not really; he’s tall and can shoot from the outside and stuff. He will, they hope, be the player they expected the No. 4 pick in the 2013 draft, Cody Zeller, to be.
But Winslow, 6-foot-6 and 222 athletic pounds, is going to be so good. Sure, I watched him more than I did Kaminsky because he played in the neighborhood. I watched him and Jahlil Okafor and Tyus Jones lead the Blue Devils to the national championship. I watched how selfless they are.
I watched Winslow give up his shot to accommodate teammates, and I watched him hit big shot after big shot during Duke’s championship run. I watched him guard players big and small, never backing down and always embracing the challenge.
Winslow hit 41.6 percent on 3-pointers this season and an amazing 57.1 percent in the tournament. He is relentless. He goes to the basket. He’s not perfect. He doesn’t shoot the conventional pull-up jump shot the way many guards do. But he will.
You imagine him on the floor with point guard Kemba Walker and Kidd-Gilchrist? To win in the NBA a team needs three players around which to build.
The Hornets finally were going to have their triumvirate. It was right there, beautiful to envision and close enough to touch.
And then it wasn’t. Thursday was one more in a continuing series of draft-night failures.
I don’t know who made this pick. But it is evident the Hornets are hung up on tall men from the Big Ten.
Let’s see how that’s gone so far.
In 2013, the Hornets invested the draft’s fourth pick on Indiana 7-footer Cody Zeller. It is fair to say that the pick was terrible.
In 2014, the Hornets invested the ninth pick on Noah Vonleh, 6-10, from Indiana. Charlotte traded Vonleh and Gerald Henderson to Portland on Wednesday for Batum. Can you imagine the outcry if, a year ago, Charlotte announced it had traded the ninth pick and Henderson for Batum? The Vonleh pick failed.
To the Big Ten big man collection the Hornets add Kaminsky, a very good college player who is not a great athlete but is 7-1. Call me a homer, but I predict he will be the best of Charlotte’s tall Big Ten players.
But, man, they could have had Winslow. The decision is as puzzling as any the Hornets have made, and remember that Bob Johnson once owned this team.
Draft night is supposed to be exhilarating and exciting.
Until the Hornets made their pick it was.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/tom-sorensen/article25539613.html#storylink=cpy
tsorensen@charlotteobserver.com
[*]
[*]
[*]
The draft was moving along as if the Charlotte Hornets had scripted it. Willie Cauley-Stein went early so somebody else had to go late. You know who was out there with only one team between him and the Hornets?
Justise Winslow of Duke was.
The Hornets drafted ninth, and if Winslow fell to them, he would be a gift. He’s tall, fast and selfless, plays very good defense, can go to the basket and hit from distance. Sure, he’s a small forward, and in Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Charlotte has a good one. But the NBA is not about positions. It’s about talent. Winslow, who helped lead Duke to the NCAA championship, has it.
I ripped general manager Rich Cho in a column Thursday. But if Winslow fell to Charlotte, nobody could rip this pick. And he did fall. The Pistons inexplicably decided to take Stanley Johnson.
So go to the bench, Nicolas Batum. The Hornets have their man.
I left the press room at Time Warner Cable Arena to feel the excitement from fans. Oh, were fans excited. They tittered like kids. Commissioner Adam Silver walked to the lectern and announced that with the ninth pick the Hornets selected – Wisconsin’s Frank Kaminsky.
Thus did the excitement end. Fans were shocked and sad and really angry.
Miami took Winslow with the 10th pick. It’s almost as if Miami president Pat Riley knows what he’s doing.
I’m perplexed. No, that’s not true. I’m shocked. I fail to understand Charlotte’s rationale. Nothing against Kaminisky, not really; he’s tall and can shoot from the outside and stuff. He will, they hope, be the player they expected the No. 4 pick in the 2013 draft, Cody Zeller, to be.
But Winslow, 6-foot-6 and 222 athletic pounds, is going to be so good. Sure, I watched him more than I did Kaminsky because he played in the neighborhood. I watched him and Jahlil Okafor and Tyus Jones lead the Blue Devils to the national championship. I watched how selfless they are.
I watched Winslow give up his shot to accommodate teammates, and I watched him hit big shot after big shot during Duke’s championship run. I watched him guard players big and small, never backing down and always embracing the challenge.
Winslow hit 41.6 percent on 3-pointers this season and an amazing 57.1 percent in the tournament. He is relentless. He goes to the basket. He’s not perfect. He doesn’t shoot the conventional pull-up jump shot the way many guards do. But he will.
You imagine him on the floor with point guard Kemba Walker and Kidd-Gilchrist? To win in the NBA a team needs three players around which to build.
The Hornets finally were going to have their triumvirate. It was right there, beautiful to envision and close enough to touch.
And then it wasn’t. Thursday was one more in a continuing series of draft-night failures.
I don’t know who made this pick. But it is evident the Hornets are hung up on tall men from the Big Ten.
Let’s see how that’s gone so far.
In 2013, the Hornets invested the draft’s fourth pick on Indiana 7-footer Cody Zeller. It is fair to say that the pick was terrible.
In 2014, the Hornets invested the ninth pick on Noah Vonleh, 6-10, from Indiana. Charlotte traded Vonleh and Gerald Henderson to Portland on Wednesday for Batum. Can you imagine the outcry if, a year ago, Charlotte announced it had traded the ninth pick and Henderson for Batum? The Vonleh pick failed.
To the Big Ten big man collection the Hornets add Kaminsky, a very good college player who is not a great athlete but is 7-1. Call me a homer, but I predict he will be the best of Charlotte’s tall Big Ten players.
But, man, they could have had Winslow. The decision is as puzzling as any the Hornets have made, and remember that Bob Johnson once owned this team.
Draft night is supposed to be exhilarating and exciting.
Until the Hornets made their pick it was.
Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/tom-sorensen/article25539613.html#storylink=cpy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Guess the Thunder did take a big a big man with their second pick Dakari johnson. nice
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Mudiay was kind of intriguing to me, but I still think Okafor was the right pick. He clearly has the most value now and in the near future and I think that's what they needed to do, especially with the Embiid questions. So whether they trade him or Embiid does not play much this year or what, I do think that they made the right pick with what they had available. But I really wanted Russell.
Jack White
Footballguy
I do think some people are clinging to the old paradigm of the 1 through 5 position designations.Maybe but we watched Mo Wlliams play plenty of 2 guard over his years in the league and he's one inch taller. Add in today's game going with more and more small line-ups and I think he'll see some minutes at the 2 in those line-ups. Obviously i'm not saying he'll see starting minutes there or anything. With Rubio at the 1, I could see him playing some 2 in combo when Wiggins is on the bench or at the 3 playing small ball.Edit to add: love the Jones could play a bit of 2 guard has generated some talk. You guys are degenerates.
Short Corner
Footballguy
You can play positionless when you trot a bunch of 6-7 guys out there with near 7- foot wing spans. 6-footers, not so much.I do think some people are clinging to the old paradigm of the 1 through 5 position designations.Maybe but we watched Mo Wlliams play plenty of 2 guard over his years in the league and he's one inch taller. Add in today's game going with more and more small line-ups and I think he'll see some minutes at the 2 in those line-ups. Obviously i'm not saying he'll see starting minutes there or anything. With Rubio at the 1, I could see him playing some 2 in combo when Wiggins is on the bench or at the 3 playing small ball.Edit to add: love the Jones could play a bit of 2 guard has generated some talk. You guys are degenerates.
Kev4029
Footballguy
He was in luck either way, they are both undersized SFs who can't shoot. I think Winslow has a chance to be a decent shooter though.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Noel was already going to play the 4 with Embid coming back. If his foot is taking longer to heal they have everything covered to give that injury max time to heal.
I wanted Russell and Im kind of shocked at how many seem to think the Lakers reached. Im not complaining about a 19yo franchise center at 3
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Lakers claim they were aware of it when they drafted him.ETA: Don't expect it to be an issue for Nance, Kobe, or the Lakers. But I did think it was illustrative of the permanence of social media. If he just jokingly says that line to a couple friends to get pumped for a playoff game, it's forgotten the next day. But he Tweeted it, so it gets a run three years later when he gets hired for a new job.
Last edited by a moderator:
I'll still be a fan and enjoy the games of course. But season tickets aren't on the cards with this persistent failure. Just wish we had a star worth buying one of these awesome jerseys of...
Russell, Hondo, Cousy
Magic, Kareem, Worthy
Jordan, Pippen, Rodman
Kemba, Kidd-Gilchrist, Winslow...
Alas. Not to be. :tipsout40:
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Lefty with long arms and good speed. Will contribute on defense right away: can slip through screens on the perimeter, good rebounder for his size, can jump into passing lanes, good transition defender who can contest fastbreak layups. Could swoop in and block lazy shots against college players, doubt he will be able to pull that off as a pro.Had some maturity issues early in the season. He didn't think the coaching staff was serious about rules like "get to class on time", "get to practice on time", and "show up for your tutoring sessions" and got benched. To his credit, he did the time and wasn't a distraction once conference play started.
Offensively, there's some work to do.
The good: He can shoot off the pass, has three-point range, and is an explosive jumper who gets excellent elevation on his jump shot and can crash the offensive glass. Strong straight-line attacker who can hit open space and win races to the rim.
The bad: not much of a dribbler. Right-hand (his off-hand) dribble is shockingly weak for an SF. So he can't initiate pick-and-rolls. Court vision is average; can make easy passes but didn't show much creativity on entry passes to post or hitting cutters.
Having Wall already in place as the alpha helps Oubre. He will want to race down the court with Wall and catch lobs for dunks or space out for corner threes. Oubre should be good at punishing wing defenders caught watching the ball in Wall's hands, either floating to open space at the three-point line or racing to the rim for a backside lob.
Captain Quinoa
Footballguy
Jack White
Footballguy
Well of course. You're not going to play five 6-footers.You can play positionless when you trot a bunch of 6-7 guys out there with near 7- foot wing spans. 6-footers, not so much.I do think some people are clinging to the old paradigm of the 1 through 5 position designations.Maybe but we watched Mo Wlliams play plenty of 2 guard over his years in the league and he's one inch taller. Add in today's game going with more and more small line-ups and I think he'll see some minutes at the 2 in those line-ups. Obviously i'm not saying he'll see starting minutes there or anything. With Rubio at the 1, I could see him playing some 2 in combo when Wiggins is on the bench or at the 3 playing small ball.Edit to add: love the Jones could play a bit of 2 guard has generated some talk. You guys are degenerates.
But that doesn't mean a 6-footer who is a good shooter/scorer can't play some 2-guard with another point guard on the floor at times.
Jack White
Footballguy
Jack White
Footballguy
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
tdoss
Footballguy
Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
Excellent question. Right now I'd lean Okafor because he seems to be in a good spot to put up some big numbers.
Toughest competition is probably Towns - he's got a shot at big production on a team that could make a big move in the standings.
Wildcard is Mudiay. He'll have the opportunity for high Usage.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
For sure with his offensive game and the total lack of any other scoring option. Plus, Philly has been uptempo and way above the league average for possessions. Although thag might change with Okafor trying huff and puff his way up and down the court.
PIK95
Footballguy
I probably do.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Take it to PMs. I don't want to read the awkward revelation.
