Todem
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Total nonsense. LMFAO.I'm still laughing at "Golden State would be worse with Lebron"
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2015 NBA Thread: I felt a great disturbance in the trolls, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. (2 Viewers)
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Notorious T.R.E.
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Just saying his skill set will hold up for a long time counter to someone saying "omg he's 32, this is his last chance".
Cliff Clavin
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ShamrockPride
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Idk if it will dude. Even with the lost weight, he's still a massive man. He's a dude who's game relies on explosiveness and he's already been dealing with bad knees for years now. I think he'll drop off quicker than most think.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Maybe 3
Maybe 3 as the NBA East is pretty watered down in terms of teams that have a chance to make it to the end. Not sure James will stick around much after his decline starts..too much $$$.. too much pride.
Joe T
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Long Ball Larry
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Someone mentioned this to me over the weekend. I have no idea how this year actually compares to other years, so this is all just fodder and speculation, but I do wonder if the new analytically-oriented philosophies for offensive efficiency are much more prone to these wild swings, in that they are trying to leverage the inefficiency. So when you do that really well, you can have huge gains. But when it doesn't work, you keep trying the same thing and can really fail. If you are trying to shoot 40 3s per game, you are going to kill it if you make 25, but be terrible if you make 5.
It will be really interesting to see the adjustments Lue makes for game 2. He simply hasn't been that tested as a coach yet against a team as good as GS. He really didn't wow me with any changes in game 1. Overall, they looked really bad on both ends of the floor.
PlasmaDogPlasma
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Yeah, the idea that Lue is an upgrade from Blatt has yet to be supported with results. Blatt had a better regular season record and got a lesser roster to the Finals.
Cliff Clavin
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Joe T
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PlasmaDogPlasma
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Synthesizer
Footballguy
It will be interesting to see how much people hold this against him considering that his teams have generally been the underdog in those finals, and that he's played pretty well in most of them too.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
LeBron has faced the Spurs three times, Warriors two times, Thunder, and Mavericks. The only team where James may have had a better supporting cast than his opponent were the Thunder. That squad was easily the worst Western team to make the finals in the last decade. Sometimes undeserving teams are able to advance. The Mavericks were actually quite deep that year they won and the Spurs and Warriors need no further explanation.
His finals record should absolutely not be held against him. He was incredible last year against the Warriors by himself especially considering the Cavs had no one else the Warriors really needed to focus on defensively. When you accumulate the stats James did last year KNOWING that's where the ball is going, that is pretty damn amazing.
You put him on a team like the Spurs with all those supporting players and Pop as the coach and he easily has 4+ rings.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Yep. He didn't even attempt to go after a lob Mo gave him last night in his 90 seconds. I can't see Mozgov being one of the changes Lue makes.
Abraham
Footballguy
Agreed. I think the biggest thing to hold against him, if you were going to do so, is the loss to the Mavs. They were up 2 games and despite the depth of Dallas, Miami was sporting three HOF players in their prime. No excuse for losing that. Otherwise, I think history will show that the better team won in each of the seasons Lebron made the finals.
TobiasFunke
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NBA scores biggest NBA Finals Game 1 rating since 2001
Meanwhile ...
Stanley Cup Finals: TV ratings are ugly, but whatever
But wait, there's more! Game 1 (airing on major broadcast network NBC) overlapped with Game 7 of the WCF (airing on TNT):
msudaisy26
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I pretty much agree with this, but would also add losing to the Spurs in 5 games the way they did was bad. No shame in losing to the Spurs, but you can't take that kind of beating. On the other side he deserves extra points for taking the 07 or 08 Cavs to the finals, and winning 2 games in last year's finals.
Joe T
Footballguy
Did you watch him vs the Mavs in '11? Not good.
Not only was he bad, but he lost to Dirk, 40 year old J. Kidd, Brian Cardinal, Jose Berrea, and a bunch of NBA d leaguers.
Joe T
Footballguy
Just because the ratings are higher doesn't mean the product is better (case in point the ratings you showed for the Bachelorette).
NHL playoffs/finals are much better than NBA however Joe Blow watcher of playoff sports will probably watch the NBA because it is easier to understand.
Synthesizer
Footballguy
Yes I agree his 18/7/7 on 48% shooting was much lower than what we usually see from him.
GOB
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pats3in4
Footballguy
I live in Silicon Valley. I was at an end-of-year event at my daughter's school the night of SCF Game 2 (game was well into the 1st period). The MC asked the crowd, "Any Sharks fans here?" and got some tepid applause. Then the MC asked, "Any Warriors fans here?" and the place erupted. Par for the course.
My guess is a lot of that has to do with the fact the Warriors are the defending champs and just set an NBA record for most wins in a season so they are chock full of new fans while the Sharks have never made the SC Finals before and weren't expected to do much going into the playoffs.
Da Guru
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pats3in4
Footballguy
There are a lot of dynamics at play. What you said for sure is part of it. Another part of it is basketball has wider international appeal, particularly in Mexico and the Pacific Rim. Considering such a huge population of the Bay Area comes from those regions, they will be much faster to gravitate to the Warriors rather than any hockey team.
TobiasFunke
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Perhaps. I will readily admit that I find it difficult to understand the appeal of a product that puts the league's 11th best team in its showcase event.
Joe T
Footballguy
Joe T
Footballguy
Well, to be fair the NBA is featuring its 5th or 6th best team in its showcase event.
The league did not do that.....the team played well enough to get to the finals. Just because the wild card team makes it to the Super Bowl doesn't mean the product is bad. Parity rules these days in most sports.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
That's not true. Every other sport has a format that either heavily favors the superior teams (NBA), makes it difficult enough to reach the playoffs in the first place that you're virtually assured of deserving teams in the final round (MLB) or some combination both (NFL). Hockey is the worst combination of all of this- a sport where randomness rules in the short term but that also allows more than half the league to participate in the playoff format on equal footing- no wild card or play-in games like in MLB or NFL.
The result is a meaningless 6 month slog of a regular season that drives away interest because it's virtually irrelevant, tons 'o fun for a round or two, and then more often than not an unappealing matchup in the Finals.
BTW Dr. D starting this battle by bringing his NBA trashing over here, I was just having a little fun with my good friend with my post today. You seem to have gotten caught in the crossfire. Also I'm a Caps fan so I'm super bitter about this right now
Capella
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Big mlb/NFL fan?
Hard to top that 83-79 Cards team winning the title a while back.
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Gr00vus
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I don't know if egos will allow, but they need to experiment with bringing either Irving or Love off the bench. Their D can't afford both of them being on the court at the same time for very long. This assumes there's a legitimate defensive upgrade available at their spots.
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