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2015 NBA Thread: I felt a great disturbance in the trolls, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. (2 Viewers)

msudaisy26 said:
Off the top of my head the 2005 finals was considered a great series and  3 or 4 of those games were blow outs. 
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Just bc a series goes 7 games doesn't make a great series if the games themselves aren't competitive.

I'm sure most would consider that a hot take, but just my opinion.

 
bananafish said:
The coach guy on Lowe's podcast said that they should've waited until after the season to fire Blatt and hire Lue because they were never going to beat Golden State and now they have no scapegoat to change after the season. The obvious move is to trade Love, but what could they get for him at this point? Maybe Festus Ezeli.

I mean, they can't fire Lue can they? Trade Kyrie? Send Durant a #### in a box and pray he's receptive?
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I wonder what Kyrie's trade value is. 

 
that Miami-Toronto series was a hideous disgrace to the game. You're either shticking or just completely wrong. 

 
bananafish said:
Wait, did you mean least exciting series? Then I concur.
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:lol:

The series was garbage for the fact that neither team had any chance to advance to the Finals, so they were playing for the right to lose to Cleveland, but the games for the most part were entertaining. Wade was hitting 3's for the first time since 2012, Lowry was stepping up at key moments - I found the individual games themselves worth watching YMMV.

 
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bananafish said:
The coach guy on Lowe's podcast said that they should've waited until after the season to fire Blatt and hire Lue because they were never going to beat Golden State and now they have no scapegoat to change after the season. The obvious move is to trade Love, but what could they get for him at this point? Maybe Festus Ezeli.

I mean, they can't fire Lue can they? Trade Kyrie? Send Durant a #### in a box and pray he's receptive?
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I think this series is the series that actually keeps Durant in OKC for a couple years. Watching the Warriors destroy the Cavs is only going to make Durant believe that they were just a couple of plays in game 6 from being the champs. 

 
fantasycurse42 said:
:lol:

The series was garbage for the fact that neither team had any chance to advance to the Finals, so they were playing for the right to lose to Cleveland, but the games for the most part were entertaining. Wade was hitting 3's for the first time since 2012, Lowry was stepping up at key moments - I found the individual games themselves worth watching YMMV.
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No the games were awful. This is where you're wrong. They were dreadful. 

 
msudaisy26 said:
I think this series is the series that actually keeps Durant in OKC for a couple years. Watching the Warriors destroy the Cavs is only going to make Durant believe that they were just a couple of plays in game 6 from being the champs. 
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Or in the other side, he can see how bad the east is and how easy the road to the Finals could be... Maybe he'll come to NY, Melo will retire, and the Knicks will be relevant again.

 
Capella said:
No the games were awful. This is where you're wrong. They were dreadful. 
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I'll concede this; the worst play in the history of the NBA did take place in that series. Lowry walking up the court with 10 seconds left in a tie game, then shooting an air ball fadeaway 3 from like 30 feet.

 
Finals were already played in the West.  The Cavs wouldn't have gotten past the second round in the West (Spurs, Thunder, Warriors).  They could put a 5 year old on the bench as a coach and he would be as effective as Lue.  They don't run any kind of offense.  It's one guy with a ball and four other standing around watching.  David Blatt won two games without Love and Irving.  Warriors are playing basketball, Cavs are playing streetball.  

 
bananafish said:
The coach guy on Lowe's podcast said that they should've waited until after the season to fire Blatt and hire Lue because they were never going to beat Golden State and now they have no scapegoat to change after the season. The obvious move is to trade Love, but what could they get for him at this point? Maybe Festus Ezeli.

I mean, they can't fire Lue can they? Trade Kyrie? Send Durant a #### in a box and pray he's receptive?
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Not sure it will matter. This Warriors team is set up to possibly rip off a bunch of titles in a row, and I doubt any one move the Cavs can make will matter.  They are a clueless franchise incapable of hiring a good coach or making moves that matter against the big boys.  I'll bet James is kicking himself for going back to that sorry franchise. 

 
Ghost Rider said:
Not sure it will matter. This Warriors team is set up to possibly rip off a bunch of titles in a row, and I doubt any one move the Cavs can make will matter.  They are a clueless franchise incapable of hiring a good coach or making moves that matter against the big boys.  I'll bet James is kicking himself for going back to that sorry franchise. 
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He's the GM :shrug:

He can point all the fingers he wants, only one place to point it.

 
bananafish said:
If anything the Golden State model is "have players that play both ways", as much as small ball or the beauty of the three or whatever. If that's the direction the league is heading I don't know what his value is, more than Love, though. Seems like a team like Toronto or Indiana would want him. Straight up for DeRozan?
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Yes please.

 
Funny people think the Warriors are unbeatable after the Thunder were up 3-1.  The East is garbage.  Lue is way too inexperienced.  Irving has no team concept.  JR smith plays zero defense.  Lebron has lost more than one step.  Love doesn't fit.  Bench isn't very good.  They will lose in 4 or 5

 
Blatt has a history of being a really good coach with a creative offense. Lebron, for as much as I like him, pretty much made him a punching bag. 

 
bananafish said:
Seriously, what do you think his and Love's value are? The DeRozan thing was a joke but how far off is it? I know nothing about the East, really (as if that wasn't obvious).
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Hard to tell. Guys like that are a tough fit to trade. Kyrie is better than Derozan though, and DD doesn't add anything Kyrie can't do, so it isn't that. 

Lebron and love should be a gorgeous fit together. Ridiculous they can't figure this out. 

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Or in the other side, he can see how bad the east is and how easy the road to the Finals could be... Maybe he'll come to NY, Melo will retire, and the Knicks will be relevant again.
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Or sign a  1-year deal, and then come to Miami in 2017 when Bosh's contract could be off the books. 

 
bananafish said:
Seriously, what do you think his and Love's value are? The DeRozan thing was a joke but how far off is it? I know nothing about the East, really (as if that wasn't obvious).
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Their value is dependant on the team that wants them.

A stretch 4 like Love would be a great match with JV and exactly what Toronto needs. Yes he is flawed but adding him and subtracting Derozan would greatly improve their offensive efficiency IMO.

Getting a top 10 scorer and "all-star" in DeRozan would be great for an offensively inept team that can't attract free agents. Terrible fit for the Cavs though.

I'd love for Toronto to make that trade straight up.

 
Capella said:
Hard to tell. Guys like that are a tough fit to trade. Kyrie is better than Derozan though, and DD doesn't add anything Kyrie can't do, so it isn't that. 

Lebron and love should be a gorgeous fit together. Ridiculous they can't figure this out. 
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I think Lowe has made the point a few times that Love-Lebron just doesn't have as much synergy as you'd think because defenders can just switch those screens. Love's rebounding (I know he often ends up with 10+ rebounds but  his percentage of contested rebounds has to be much lower than most would expect) and defense gets exposed against elite competition - he's just a good stats bad/mediocore team guy who is overmatched in this situation. 

 
It has been stated numerous times that Dwight Howard isn't the same guy he was in Orlando because of the injuries, is Kevin Love in that category too? I don't remember him being this soft in Minnesota, but he was hurt a lot play for them and then the shoulder last year. Maybe he is 27, but feeling like Kobe this year?

 
Bobcat10 said:
How are the Warriors that much deeper, if at all imo, than the Cavs to the point where it's been a main focal point of the Finals discussion in here along with Kyrie's defense (and Kerr's brain or Lue's lack-thereof)?  I just don't see that argument at all.  Not this year.
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:popcorn:  

 
bananafish said:
Not sure if joking but GS-OKC Game 7 was the highest rated cable NBA game ever and was the most watched program across all of television that night. The post-game show was #2.

Game 1 of GS-Cle was the highest rated opening game on ABC ever as well.

Now back to your regularly scheduled "well, people are stupid" argument.
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Golden State is fun to watch. Curry and Thompson are fun to watch, Some people wanna see Lebron fail. Even some women I know who don't like basketball that much, are cheering for Curry and GS.  It will be an even more watched series finale if the Cavs can win a game or 2 in Cleveland. Which is possible if they get in the range of 30 FTs and start hitting more open 3s. It's hard to beat GS with 90 points or less.

 
SoBeDad said:
Golden State is fun to watch. Curry and Thompson are fun to watch, Some people wanna see Lebron fail. Even some women I know who don't like basketball that much, are cheering for Curry and GS.  It will be an even more watched series finale if the Cavs can win a game or 2 in Cleveland. Which is possible if they get in the range of 30 FTs and start hitting more open 3s. It's hard to beat GS with 90 points or less.
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The way they are trending they'll score 53 in game 4.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
He's the GM :shrug:

He can point all the fingers he wants, only one place to point it.
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Exactly.

LBJ is an all time great player, but he's hurting the Cavs just as much as he helps. Sure without LBJ the Cavs would be a lottery team, but LBJ is THE ONE keeping the Cavs from being a championship team due to his desire to be GM and coach.

All Dan Gilbert and LBJ have to do is look at what is thing going on in Golden State. There's a chain of command and division of power/labor. Curry allows Kerr to coach him. Kerr doesn't have personnel control. Lacob allows Meyers to build the roster. Everyone does their job. It worked in MIA for James, but he left because Pat Riley was the boss.

 
Lebron is not a great shooter nor a Kareem or Shaq.  He's an all-time great but closer to Pippen then MJ.  Which is not a slap.  

 
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