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2015 NBA Thread: I felt a great disturbance in the trolls, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. (1 Viewer)

TobiasFunke said:
Right?  Everyone but Kings fans, you guys know nothing of dysfunction and hopelessness.

That said, I'm not sure I buy this account. The guy also said this:

At no point was Beal available on the cheap. And if they'd signed him in the last year they would have hamstrung their free agency pursuits because his full salary would have counted against the cap instead of his cap hold number (it's the same maneuver the Spurs did with Kawhi).
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 Are we sure Noah is better than Gortat?Certainly isn't a slam dunk with Noah's health and ugly face.

 
GOB said:
Report that Wizards are preparing to offer Noah a max contract:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-washington-wizards-joakim-noah-chicago-bulls-knicks-derrick-rose-bucks-timberwolves/1g5h2xcr8ello1ct5ne29gn4m5?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Really puts your problems into perspective. 
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Has there ever been a more incompetent GM who's lasted this long?  President since 2003 with 3 whole playoff series wins and a team that's in shambles now (with no 1st round pick yesterday).  HTF does this ###### keep his job?

 
mr. furley said:
is Ilyasova getting waived?  i feel like people don't respect his game enough. can shoot, rebound, rugged and not afraid to mix it up. not a starter but as a 2nd unit guy you could do a lot worse.  

feels like people don't know who he is and think he's a throw-in bag of donuts
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Presti said they plan to keep him, but they've got a week to officially decide. 

 
I think I read on Twitter that Oladipo finished strong as far as shooting from 3 last year and that he wasn't that bad from the corner. No idea if that's true, but I think it's safe to assume the kind of looks he'll get playing with Westbrook and hopefully Durant will be better than what he was getting in Orlando.

I don't think Ibaka is washed up at all but apparently he was not happy with his diminished role on offense and the Thunder felt there was little chance they'd sign him next summer. 

 
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Moe. said:
I think I read on Twitter that Oladipo finished strong as far as shooting from 3 last year and that he wasn't that bad from the corner. No idea if that's true, but I think it's safe to assume the kind of looks he'll get playing with Westbrook and hopefully Durant will be better than what he was getting in Orlando.

I don't think Ibaka is washed up at all but apparently he was not happy with his diminished role on offense and the Thunder felt there was little chance they'd sign him next summer. 
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Ibaka got Kevin Love syndrome, where their teams ask them to just stretch the floor and shoot 3s. I expect Ibaka to do more and be successful year.

If they keep Ersan, he can do what Ibaka provided offensively at a much cheaper price. 

 
Moe. said:
I think I read on Twitter that Oladipo finished strong as far as shooting from 3 last year and that he wasn't that bad from the corner. No idea if that's true, but I think it's safe to assume the kind of looks he'll get playing with Westbrook and hopefully Durant will be better than what he was getting in Orlando.

I don't think Ibaka is washed up at all but apparently he was not happy with his diminished role on offense and the Thunder felt there was little chance they'd sign him next summer. 
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He was better as the year went on but I doubt highly he's ever a good shooter. 

His problem is he can get to the rim frequently, but then can't finish. 

 
Charlie Harper said:
Ibaka got Kevin Love syndrome, where their teams ask them to just stretch the floor and shoot 3s. I expect Ibaka to do more and be successful year.

If they keep Ersan, he can do what Ibaka provided offensively at a much cheaper price. 
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Agreed. Don't think it was Ibaka but what the Thunder were asking of him. Also agree on Ilyasova, except that he's not that much cheaper really, only 3.85 million. It all counts though.

 
mr. furley said:
is Ilyasova getting waived?  i feel like people don't respect his game enough. can shoot, rebound, rugged and not afraid to mix it up. not a starter but as a 2nd unit guy you could do a lot worse.  

feels like people don't know who he is and think he's a throw-in bag of donuts
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I was a big fan of Ersan with the Pistons. Haven't seen anyone take that many charges since Rodman. He was a little limited offensively for a starter but would be a great bench player for a contending team like OKC.

Pistons needed his contract for the Tobias Harris trade but before that SVG said they were planning to pick up that option.

 
Daywalker said:
Who says no?

Sac gets:  Russell, Randle and Clarkson.

Lakers get:  Boogie.
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With the Kings being as horrible managed as they are, I can't say that they would turn it down. But I can say that it would be a horribly lopsided trade in the Lakers favor.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
I am absolutely no cap expert, but if I look at this link, I don't really think they have much money at all, even letting Waiters go: http://www.spotrac.com/nba/oklahoma-city-thunder/cap/

If they have $21 mill in available cap and still have to sign Durant for $26, I don't know how they can do much else in FA.  That Kanter contract is really not helping.

Or can they waive Ilyasova and Morrow and free up $12 mill?
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They will have $8M in space with Durants hold if they renounce Ilyasova and Morrow

 
I just listened to the latest Simmons podcast and I've read about the Magic-Thunder trade from various places, why do people think that trade was so heavily in the Thunders favor?

People are acting like Oladipo is a star in the making. To me he seems like a high end 6th man. He shot 31.3% on jumpers last year (up from 27.7 and 29 the previous two years). For all of Simmons' talking about him getting more open looks in OKC, almost all of his threes were open looks in Orlando (about 10% of his 3s came with somebody within 4 feet of him). I don't really see how Oladipo and Westbrook can coexist as starters with both players being so ball dominant without the ability to shoot jumpers. I think they are a worse team for this trade. The good news is that they won't throw a ####load of money at Waiters now.

Typically, the team that gets the best player, wins the trade, and Ibaka is certainly the best player of the four involved in the trade. With Gordon and Vucevic, he's not an ideal fit either, but Gordon might be able to play just enough SF to make it work for 10-12 minutes a game. If they can resign Ibaka, they win this trade, IMO. If they don't resign Ibaka, they basically spent the 11th pick in a mediocre draft to keep themselves from paying Oladipo $25m/yr next year. Really, its a win/win IMO.

 
Short Corner said:
They will have $8M in space with Durants hold if they renounce Ilyasova and Morrow
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Which would likely net them a worse player than Ilyasova and Morrow combined. Plus, if they stay above the cap, they get nearly $6 million to spend via the mid-level except, rather than just under $3 million if they dip under the cap. They would be crazy to dump Morrow and/or Illyasova to essentially gain $2 million buck to make a run at somebody.

 
Kev4029 said:
I just listened to the latest Simmons podcast and I've read about the Magic-Thunder trade from various places, why do people think that trade was so heavily in the Thunders favor?

People are acting like Oladipo is a star in the making. To me he seems like a high end 6th man. He shot 31.3% on jumpers last year (up from 27.7 and 29 the previous two years). For all of Simmons' talking about him getting more open looks in OKC, almost all of his threes were open looks in Orlando (about 10% of his 3s came with somebody within 4 feet of him). I don't really see how Oladipo and Westbrook can coexist as starters with both players being so ball dominant without the ability to shoot jumpers. I think they are a worse team for this trade. The good news is that they won't throw a ####load of money at Waiters now.

Typically, the team that gets the best player, wins the trade, and Ibaka is certainly the best player of the four involved in the trade. With Gordon and Vucevic, he's not an ideal fit either, but Gordon might be able to play just enough SF to make it work for 10-12 minutes a game. If they can resign Ibaka, they win this trade, IMO. If they don't resign Ibaka, they basically spent the 11th pick in a mediocre draft to keep themselves from paying Oladipo $25m/yr next year. Really, its a win/win IMO.
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:goodposting:

VO is not an ideal fit in OKC if they plan on playing him alongside Russ. Fournier would have been much nicer imo.

I have to trust Hennigan that he is confident he can resign Ibaka. I don't think he would gamble his job on this trade being a 1 and done from Ibaka.

The real story here is Hezonja is going to start balling and my pants are already tight thinking about it.

 
Kev4029 said:
I just listened to the latest Simmons podcast and I've read about the Magic-Thunder trade from various places, why do people think that trade was so heavily in the Thunders favor?

People are acting like Oladipo is a star in the making. To me he seems like a high end 6th man. He shot 31.3% on jumpers last year (up from 27.7 and 29 the previous two years). For all of Simmons' talking about him getting more open looks in OKC, almost all of his threes were open looks in Orlando (about 10% of his 3s came with somebody within 4 feet of him). I don't really see how Oladipo and Westbrook can coexist as starters with both players being so ball dominant without the ability to shoot jumpers. I think they are a worse team for this trade. The good news is that they won't throw a ####load of money at Waiters now.

Typically, the team that gets the best player, wins the trade, and Ibaka is certainly the best player of the four involved in the trade. With Gordon and Vucevic, he's not an ideal fit either, but Gordon might be able to play just enough SF to make it work for 10-12 minutes a game. If they can resign Ibaka, they win this trade, IMO. If they don't resign Ibaka, they basically spent the 11th pick in a mediocre draft to keep themselves from paying Oladipo $25m/yr next year. Really, its a win/win IMO.
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realgm is definitely in favor of the Magic: http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/242374/Grading-The-Deal-Thunder-Trade-Serge-Ibaka-To-Magic

I think that the biggest downsides for the Magic are Ibaka's lack of a long-term deal and how it really fits in with the Magic's timeline, and the questions about Ibaka's age and wondering if he is really trending downward (though some folks seem to think he was just being poorly utilized this year by the Thunder, for whatever reason).  

It is not an exciting return for the Thunder and I don't see how it helps in any way in terms of convincing Durant to stay for the long term.

 
I have heard some chatter that Oladipo is excellent defensively, and with Golden St being the hurdle they will need to overcome, the thought process is that he is a better fit to get out there and defend Curry and Thompson on those 3s.  If they keep Durant, they won't need Oladipo to be a big time scorer, but if he can be the upgrade they expect him to be on defense, then it will be a win for them.

 
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Ghost Rider said:
I have heard some chatter that Oladipo is excellent defensively, and with Golden St being the hurdle they will need to overcome, the thought process is that he is a better fit to get out there and defend Curry and Thompson on those 3s.  If they keep Durant, they won't need Oladipo to be a big time scorer, but if he can be the upgrade they expect him to be on defense, then it will be a win for them.
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Oladipo is a great defender. Moves his feet very well and has quick hands.

He had problems with some taller guys but I think you are correct that OKC could roll out a crunch time lineup of

Adams, Durant, ?, Dipo, Russ against GSW death lineup. That's pretty cool.

But what about this lineup:

Ibaka, Gordon, Durant, Hezonja, Gob

I mean that's gonna win some ballgames.

 
Ghost Rider said:
I have heard some chatter that Oladipo is excellent defensively, and with Golden St being the hurdle they will need to overcome, the thought process is that he is a better fit to get out there and defend Curry and Thompson on those 3s.  If they keep Durant, they won't need Oladipo to be a big time scorer, but if he can be the upgrade they expect him to be on defense, then it will be a win for them.
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While he is definitely an improvement over Waiters (so would a dozen guys they could have grabbed with the MLE), I'm worried offensively that they won't be able to do anything when teams are daring Roberson, Oladipo and Westbrook to shoot threes. Late in games they are going to have Oladipo, Westbrook, Durant and Adams out there. In defensive situations, they'll try to have Roberson out there, I'm guessing. That is a downgrade from Westbrook/Roberson/Durant/Ibaka/Adams. In offensive situations, they'll have Westbrook, Oladipo, Durant, Adams and Kanter/Morrow/Ilysova. That's not much of an improvement over what they had anyway. OKC better hope that Sabonis is a strong rotation player immediately, or they took a step backwards in 2016, and a huge step backwards in 2017 when Oladipo is taking up a quarter of the salary cap.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
realgm is definitely in favor of the Magic: http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/242374/Grading-The-Deal-Thunder-Trade-Serge-Ibaka-To-Magic

I think that the biggest downsides for the Magic are Ibaka's lack of a long-term deal and how it really fits in with the Magic's timeline, and the questions about Ibaka's age and wondering if he is really trending downward (though some folks seem to think he was just being poorly utilized this year by the Thunder, for whatever reason).  

It is not an exciting return for the Thunder and I don't see how it helps in any way in terms of convincing Durant to stay for the long term.
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It is definitely a risk for Orlando, especially if Ibaka is 30 rather than 26 and his decline is real not because of the Thunder's system. Really, I think this trade was to allow them to keep Fournier plus add Ibaka. From Orlando's POV, if you look at it as a trade of Sabonis, Oladipo, and Ilyasova for Ibaka and Fournier, it's a good trade. No way they were going to pay Fournier (I think he's getting the max) and Oladipo a combined $45-50 million in 2017.

 
Spanish Chocolate (Sergio Rodriguez) is making a return to the NBA, if he can find the right deal for him. He's been one of the premier players in Europe for the past 6 years and is now 30 years old. His last season in the NBA (09-10) was mostly a success. He can dish the ball and hit jumpers. I don't remember him playing much D in the NBA, so he'll probably a net negative there at 30 years old.

If I were running an NBA team, I would make a run at him. He's a better player than Jeremy Lin and most of the free agent PG crop and he'll probably come significantly cheaper. He might even be the second best PG on the market this offseason.

Plus, he'll challenge Harden for best beard in the NBA.

 
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I like Simmons (particularly his podcasts) but when I heard how much he liked the trade for OKC I was disappointed. Lowe's article was obviously a much more reasonable take. Ultimately a lot of it will come down to how good Sabonis ends up being. Presti has done well picking big guys in the draft, hopefully this one is more Adams/Ibaka than Aldrich. 

 
Moe. said:
I like Simmons (particularly his podcasts) but when I heard how much he liked the trade for OKC I was disappointed. Lowe's article was obviously a much more reasonable take. Ultimately a lot of it will come down to how good Sabonis ends up being. Presti has done well picking big guys in the draft, hopefully this one is more Adams/Ibaka than Aldrich. 
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Simmons is Mr. Hyperbole. Everything is the craziest thing he has seen. Especially if has any connection to Boston. 

I like him, but sometimes he runs hot.

 
ESPN is reporting Derozan isn't even taking any other meetings and will resign with Toronto barring unexpected collapse in negotiations. http://es.pn/29100fM

The good news is that it's only going to be the worst contract in the league for a couple weeks until Olympian Harrison Barnes signs his max deal. 

 
thecatch said:
ESPN is reporting Derozan isn't even taking any other meetings and will resign with Toronto barring unexpected collapse in negotiations. http://es.pn/29100fM

The good news is that it's only going to be the worst contract in the league for a couple weeks until Olympian Harrison Barnes signs his max deal. 
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If it is a 5 year contract and he signs it before anybody else this year, it will be the largest contract in the history of the NBA. The last Jordan-Bulls year will be a higher one year salary, but Derozan's contract of 5/153 will be bigger than Kobe's contract he signed in the mid 00s by almost $20 million.

I also don't view this as a terrible contract for the Raptors, who else are they getting up there to take their money? If they aren't overpaying Derozan, they'll have to overpay somebody else.

 
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