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***2015 San Diego Chargers - Offseason News, Notes, & Analysis*** (1 Viewer)

BoltBacker said:
Can all Charger fans agree that the roster Telesco has assembled is so weak from top to bottom that if he can't get FOUR starters in this draft he should be on the hot seat?
I disagree strongly with this. I think Telesco is two for two so far in having great offseasons. He needs to have at least one poor year before we even start talking about him being on the hot seat.

McCoy is not on the hot seat either, IMO. They've both been great, and they seem to work well together.
I tried to stimulate some discussion about Telesco and McCoy early in this thread and there wasn't much interest. I'd be interested in discussing the pros and cons of how each of them have performed their jobs to date with the Chargers. My gut reaction is saying Telesco has had two great offseasons is a bit of an overstatement, but maybe it is semantics (i.e., how one defines 'great').
He had two great moves his first offseason bringing in Dunlap and drafting Allen. Signing Flowers last year was a great move but I am not sure signing to that huge contract this year was a great move. He also has some pretty big blunders(so far) spending 2 second rounders and 2 fourth rounders for two ho-hum LB's and signing Cox. IMO he also made a mistake not trading down last year with MIN or simply drafting Bridgewater to hold or trade.

It seems like all these GM's have a "blindspot" that is their undoing. With AJ it was OL. With Telesco it seems to be the front seven on defense.

At the end of the day you can only measure these guys based on their success in the playoffs, no?

 
4th and a 5th to move up two spots is crazy town given many teams only had first-round grades on 10-15 players.

They must be absolutely in love with someone here.

 
Why not just give SF two fourths? It's not like Telesco is ever going to use one anyway. Does he need a rest mid-draft or something?

Worst case scenario plays out.

 
Good luck Melvin.... won't take long behind this line to realize you aren't in Wisconsin anymore. But Watt was the 25th best run blocking center in the nfl so I guess you have that going for you.

 
Thank goodness. I was worried in one of the deepest RB classes in years SD wouldn't be able to find a part time RB. Only took three picks to get him!

 
Thank goodness. I was worried in one of the deepest RB classes in years SD wouldn't be able to find a part time RB. Only took three picks to get him!
This is the worst pick of the draft so far, given the trade-up.

They must have viewed Gordon has a top 10 prospect to give up those picks. 4th & 5ths are still really valuable - Packers have made bank with those picks the last few years, finding a starting left tackle, starting cornerback, etc.

 
Thank goodness. I was worried in one of the deepest RB classes in years SD wouldn't be able to find a part time RB. Only took three picks to get him!
This is the worst pick of the draft so far, given the trade-up.

They must have viewed Gordon has a top 10 prospect to give up those picks. 4th & 5ths are still really valuable - Packers have made bank with those picks the last few years, finding a starting left tackle, starting cornerback, etc.
If Gordon gets hurt and Cameron Erving turns into a Pro Bowl center I'm going to be pissed.

 
Thank goodness. I was worried in one of the deepest RB classes in years SD wouldn't be able to find a part time RB. Only took three picks to get him!
This is the worst pick of the draft so far, given the trade-up.

They must have viewed Gordon has a top 10 prospect to give up those picks. 4th & 5ths are still really valuable - Packers have made bank with those picks the last few years, finding a starting left tackle, starting cornerback, etc.
Yeah, that's the difference between teams that give lip service about building a team through the draft and a team that actually does it.

 
Thank goodness. I was worried in one of the deepest RB classes in years SD wouldn't be able to find a part time RB. Only took three picks to get him!
This is the worst pick of the draft so far, given the trade-up.

They must have viewed Gordon has a top 10 prospect to give up those picks. 4th & 5ths are still really valuable - Packers have made bank with those picks the last few years, finding a starting left tackle, starting cornerback, etc.
If Gordon gets hurt and Cameron Erving turns into a Pro Bowl center I'm going to be pissed.
I don't think that's all it will take to get you pissed. Behind the Wisconsin OL Gordon wasn't able to muster any positive yardage on one out of every five carries so that translates into a lot of 2nd/3rd and long situations... so he'll be standing on the sidelines A LOT whether he's healthy or not. Oh, and he's a fumbler as well. That will also cut down on those pesky grass stains on your uniform.

 
Thank goodness. I was worried in one of the deepest RB classes in years SD wouldn't be able to find a part time RB. Only took three picks to get him!
This is the worst pick of the draft so far, given the trade-up.

They must have viewed Gordon has a top 10 prospect to give up those picks. 4th & 5ths are still really valuable - Packers have made bank with those picks the last few years, finding a starting left tackle, starting cornerback, etc.
If Gordon gets hurt and Cameron Erving turns into a Pro Bowl center I'm going to be pissed.
I don't think that's all it will take to get you pissed. Behind the Wisconsin OL Gordon wasn't able to muster any positive yardage on one out of every five carries so that translates into a lot of 2nd/3rd and long situations... so he'll be standing on the sidelines A LOT whether he's healthy or not. Oh, and he's a fumbler as well. That will also cut down on those pesky grass stains on your uniform.
Bury the guy before he's even had a chance to call his Mom and tell her he's a Charger.

 
Worst case scenario plays out.
:goodposting:

Actually, this is even worse than the worst case scenario I had imagined. My worst case scenario was that they took a RB at 17. I didn't even consider that Telesco might give up his 4th rounder and another 5th rounder to move up. I was hoping that 4th rounder would net a contributor for this season. I wasn't expecting a starter but was hoping for at least a solid depth player.

With Gordon coming to the team, I will certainly root for him, and I hope he plays well. He does address a need, it just wasn't one of their top few pressing needs IMO.

He is explosive and will hopefully add a big play element to the offense. Unfortunately, as others have noted, he is viewed as a poor pass blocker, he got stuffed on 20% of his carries at Wisconsin despite running behind a high quality OL, he fumbled once every 54 touches, and he only caught 22 passes in his career. Sounds a lot like Mathews, except possibly weaker in the passing game. That isn't too bad if he can stay healthier than Mathews, but it implies that the team will likely use him like they used Mathews, i.e., in on running downs, out on obvious passing downs, and sharing a lot of snaps with Woodhead, Brown, and Oliver. Is that really worth the price they paid?

I would much rather they had stood pat and drafted Erving or any number of other players.

At least Shelton was gone, so I didn't have to watch them pass him up for a RB.

 
Good luck Melvin.... won't take long behind this line to realize you aren't in Wisconsin anymore. But Watt was the 25th best run blocking center in the nfl so I guess you have that going for you.
Wisconsin's offensive line wasn't that good last year plus the Badgers had no passing game at all. Gordon is an absolute stud...great pick for the Chargers.

 
Thank goodness. I was worried in one of the deepest RB classes in years SD wouldn't be able to find a part time RB. Only took three picks to get him!
This is the worst pick of the draft so far, given the trade-up.

They must have viewed Gordon has a top 10 prospect to give up those picks. 4th & 5ths are still really valuable - Packers have made bank with those picks the last few years, finding a starting left tackle, starting cornerback, etc.
If Gordon gets hurt and Cameron Erving turns into a Pro Bowl center I'm going to be pissed.
I don't think that's all it will take to get you pissed. Behind the Wisconsin OL Gordon wasn't able to muster any positive yardage on one out of every five carries so that translates into a lot of 2nd/3rd and long situations... so he'll be standing on the sidelines A LOT whether he's healthy or not. Oh, and he's a fumbler as well. That will also cut down on those pesky grass stains on your uniform.
Serious question since you are so negative but did you watch any Badgers games last year? I'm a season ticket holder and have been a Badger fan since the late 80s. Gordon is the best Badger I've seen play in person...not close really. Those negative carries are a direct result of him consistently facing 8 and 9 man fronts since the Badgers passing game was a joke last year. Step off the ledge and barring an injury to Gordon I say you'll look back at this thread in October and laugh at yourself.

 
Worst case scenario plays out.
:goodposting:

Actually, this is even worse than the worst case scenario I had imagined. My worst case scenario was that they took a RB at 17. I didn't even consider that Telesco might give up his 4th rounder and another 5th rounder to move up. I was hoping that 4th rounder would net a contributor for this season. I wasn't expecting a starter but was hoping for at least a solid depth player.

With Gordon coming to the team, I will certainly root for him, and I hope he plays well. He does address a need, it just wasn't one of their top few pressing needs IMO.

He is explosive and will hopefully add a big play element to the offense. Unfortunately, as others have noted, he is viewed as a poor pass blocker, he got stuffed on 20% of his carries at Wisconsin despite running behind a high quality OL, he fumbled once every 54 touches, and he only caught 22 passes in his career. Sounds a lot like Mathews, except possibly weaker in the passing game. That isn't too bad if he can stay healthier than Mathews, but it implies that the team will likely use him like they used Mathews, i.e., in on running downs, out on obvious passing downs, and sharing a lot of snaps with Woodhead, Brown, and Oliver. Is that really worth the price they paid?

I would much rather they had stood pat and drafted Erving or any number of other players.

At least Shelton was gone, so I didn't have to watch them pass him up for a RB.
RB wasn't a pressing need? Are we talking about the same team?

 
Thank goodness. I was worried in one of the deepest RB classes in years SD wouldn't be able to find a part time RB. Only took three picks to get him!
This is the worst pick of the draft so far, given the trade-up.

They must have viewed Gordon has a top 10 prospect to give up those picks. 4th & 5ths are still really valuable - Packers have made bank with those picks the last few years, finding a starting left tackle, starting cornerback, etc.
If Gordon gets hurt and Cameron Erving turns into a Pro Bowl center I'm going to be pissed.
I don't think that's all it will take to get you pissed. Behind the Wisconsin OL Gordon wasn't able to muster any positive yardage on one out of every five carries so that translates into a lot of 2nd/3rd and long situations... so he'll be standing on the sidelines A LOT whether he's healthy or not. Oh, and he's a fumbler as well. That will also cut down on those pesky grass stains on your uniform.
Serious question since you are so negative but did you watch any Badgers games last year? I'm a season ticket holder and have been a Badger fan since the late 80s. Gordon is the best Badger I've seen play in person...not close really. Those negative carries are a direct result of him consistently facing 8 and 9 man fronts since the Badgers passing game was a joke last year. Step off the ledge and barring an injury to Gordon I say you'll look back at this thread in October and laugh at yourself.
Charger fans are bitter about being burned by Mathews. How quickly they forget that taking a RB at #5 overall just a few years ago was a brilliant pick.

 
RB wasn't a pressing need? Are we talking about the same team?
One could argue that RB is never a pressing need for any NFL team because there are always free agents (both rookies and veterans) available who will be perfectly non-disastrous.

Meanwhile, a poor player on the offensive line or in the secondary or at quarterback can be truly disastrous.

That said, the Chargers needed a running back as much as any team did; so in a relative sense, it was definitely an area of need.

And Gordon does seem kind of awesome.

 
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Thank goodness. I was worried in one of the deepest RB classes in years SD wouldn't be able to find a part time RB. Only took three picks to get him!
This is the worst pick of the draft so far, given the trade-up.

They must have viewed Gordon has a top 10 prospect to give up those picks. 4th & 5ths are still really valuable - Packers have made bank with those picks the last few years, finding a starting left tackle, starting cornerback, etc.
If Gordon gets hurt and Cameron Erving turns into a Pro Bowl center I'm going to be pissed.
I don't think that's all it will take to get you pissed. Behind the Wisconsin OL Gordon wasn't able to muster any positive yardage on one out of every five carries so that translates into a lot of 2nd/3rd and long situations... so he'll be standing on the sidelines A LOT whether he's healthy or not. Oh, and he's a fumbler as well. That will also cut down on those pesky grass stains on your uniform.
Serious question since you are so negative but did you watch any Badgers games last year? I'm a season ticket holder and have been a Badger fan since the late 80s. Gordon is the best Badger I've seen play in person...not close really. Those negative carries are a direct result of him consistently facing 8 and 9 man fronts since the Badgers passing game was a joke last year. Step off the ledge and barring an injury to Gordon I say you'll look back at this thread in October and laugh at yourself.
Charger fans are bitter about being burned by Mathews. How quickly they forget that taking a RB at #5 overall just a few years ago was a brilliant pick.
Yeah, Cadillac Williams is a borderline hall of famer.

 
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he got stuffed on 20% of his carries at Wisconsin
I'm skeptical of this. I've been watching a lot of YouTube highlights and it seems that pretty much all of his runs are big gains. I haven't seen him get stuffed behind the line of scrimmage once.

 
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Unfortunately, as others have noted, he is viewed as a poor pass blocker
Telesco says he's the best pass-blocking RB in the draft.
Does anyone besides Telesco/Acee say that? I have seen it mentioned in several places as an area of weakness. From PFF's College Football Focus Player Profile on Gordon:

The other area that Gordon needs to improve is in pass protection and it doesn’t help that he wasn’t asked to pass block often. He stayed in to block on 27.5% of pass plays, the 12th-lowest rate among qualifying backs in this class. Gordon allowed one sack and five pressures for a Pass Blocking Efficiency of 93.4, tied for 41st out of 59 backs.

Regarding the posts earlier about his offensive line, here is another quote:


One of the knocks on Gordon is that his success is largely due to Wisconsin’s offensive line. That is certainly a factor. There were times he had enormous holes to run through that he will rarely, if ever see at the next level.
That profile says a lot of positive things about him as well, of course. I think those positives are fairly well known, and hopefully will translate effectively at the NFL level.


 
he got stuffed on 20% of his carries at Wisconsin
I'm skeptical of this. I've been watching a lot of YouTube highlights and it seems that pretty much all of his runs are big gains. I haven't seen him get stuffed behind the line of scrimmage once.
Are you joking? Do you expect YouTube *highlights* to show a lot of his stuffed runs? From his NFL draft profile:

WEAKNESSES Desires to bounce runs wide too often. Not as trusting of blocking from B-gap to B-gap. Held to "stuffs" -- runs resulting in no yards or a loss -- on 19.2 percent of his carries. Feel and instincts as interior runner need improvement. Shows indecisiveness as one-cut runner. Would gear down and stutter-step to line, waiting for crease to show itself rather than adjusting on fly and taking what was available. Play strength through hole was only average. Used speed over strength to create many missed or broken tackles. Benefited from gaping running lanes. Ball security was an issue. Fumbled six times over his final five games, often being stripped while finishing run. Uncomfortable pass-catcher with marginal hands. Either dropped, double caught or smothered many throws. Pass protection needs work. Might have to come off field on third downs.
 
he got stuffed on 20% of his carries at Wisconsin
I'm skeptical of this. I've been watching a lot of YouTube highlights and it seems that pretty much all of his runs are big gains. I haven't seen him get stuffed behind the line of scrimmage once.
Are you joking? Do you expect YouTube *highlights* to show a lot of his stuffed runs? From his NFL draft profile:

WEAKNESSES Desires to bounce runs wide too often. Not as trusting of blocking from B-gap to B-gap. Held to "stuffs" -- runs resulting in no yards or a loss -- on 19.2 percent of his carries. Feel and instincts as interior runner need improvement. Shows indecisiveness as one-cut runner. Would gear down and stutter-step to line, waiting for crease to show itself rather than adjusting on fly and taking what was available. Play strength through hole was only average. Used speed over strength to create many missed or broken tackles. Benefited from gaping running lanes. Ball security was an issue. Fumbled six times over his final five games, often being stripped while finishing run. Uncomfortable pass-catcher with marginal hands. Either dropped, double caught or smothered many throws. Pass protection needs work. Might have to come off field on third downs.
MT was joking.

 
Worst case scenario plays out.
:goodposting:

Actually, this is even worse than the worst case scenario I had imagined. My worst case scenario was that they took a RB at 17. I didn't even consider that Telesco might give up his 4th rounder and another 5th rounder to move up. I was hoping that 4th rounder would net a contributor for this season. I wasn't expecting a starter but was hoping for at least a solid depth player.

With Gordon coming to the team, I will certainly root for him, and I hope he plays well. He does address a need, it just wasn't one of their top few pressing needs IMO.

He is explosive and will hopefully add a big play element to the offense. Unfortunately, as others have noted, he is viewed as a poor pass blocker, he got stuffed on 20% of his carries at Wisconsin despite running behind a high quality OL, he fumbled once every 54 touches, and he only caught 22 passes in his career. Sounds a lot like Mathews, except possibly weaker in the passing game. That isn't too bad if he can stay healthier than Mathews, but it implies that the team will likely use him like they used Mathews, i.e., in on running downs, out on obvious passing downs, and sharing a lot of snaps with Woodhead, Brown, and Oliver. Is that really worth the price they paid?

I would much rather they had stood pat and drafted Erving or any number of other players.

At least Shelton was gone, so I didn't have to watch them pass him up for a RB.
RB wasn't a pressing need? Are we talking about the same team?
Did you read my post? I stated it was a need but not as pressing as other needs. I think the team needs multiple front 7 players more than it needed Gordon. I would also have preferred an additional starting OL first. The RB depth in this draft is deep enough that Telesco and McCoy could have gotten a player much later who would fit their likely usage of the player, i.e., platooning with Woodhead, and maybe Brown/Oliver.

Oh yeah, AND THEY COULD HAVE DRAFTED ANOTHER PLAYER IN THE 4TH ROUND TOO who could have contributed to the team this season.

 
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RB wasn't a pressing need? Are we talking about the same team?
One could argue that RB is never a pressing need for any NFL team because there are always free agents (both rookies and veterans) available who will be perfectly non-disastrous.

Meanwhile, a poor player on the offensive line or in the secondary or at quarterback can be truly disastrous.

That said, the Chargers needed a running back as much as any team did; so in a relative sense, it was definitely an area of need.

And Gordon does seem kind of awesome.
I've stated my views on taking RB's in the early first but I will root for 'Flash of Lightning' Gordon to be great.

 
I'm excited for all the awesome sayings. You there's going to be a ton.
I think this post does the best job explaining the Telesco move.

We could guess who he will take today to address one of the worst DL's in the NFL... or fix the interior OL that got Rivers hurt last year, but really don't we all expect Telesco to panic that someone will snatch Hundley out from under him? I predict SD trades their 2nd and 3rd to draft Hundley at the top of the 2nd. That way Telesco gets to the redbox early while it's still packed with movies and he can get an early start to the weekend. Wouldn't have to check back into the draft til the fifth round, the time of the draft he traditionally starts thinking about the DL... and it shows.

You there's going to be a ton, indeed. Everyone drink another.

 
Good luck Melvin.... won't take long behind this line to realize you aren't in Wisconsin anymore. But Watt was the 25th best run blocking center in the nfl so I guess you have that going for you.
I like the pick for them, but can't figure out why they need to trade up. It seems very likely that he would fall to them in a few picks.

 
Good luck Melvin.... won't take long behind this line to realize you aren't in Wisconsin anymore. But Watt was the 25th best run blocking center in the nfl so I guess you have that going for you.
I like the pick for them, but can't figure out why they need to trade up. It seems very likely that he would fall to them in a few picks.
Widely rumored that the Niners were about to trade the pick to another team who was trying to get in front of San Diego to take Gordon. That's the downside of having such an obvious pressing need; other teams can see the hole on your roster and make moves accordingly, forcing a trade up.

While I'd obviously have preferred the scenario where Gordon fell to San Diego at 17, I'm glad that Telesco isn't afraid to deal a couple of mid round picks to go get a guy he thinks is a real game changer.

 
Rotoblurb:

Philip Rivers - QB - Chargers
Philip Rivers said Friday he's willing to listen to an extension offer from the Chargers.
The only reason trade rumors started was because Rivers said he planned to play out his contract -- which expires after 2015 -- instead of sign an extension. He's since softened his stance and the Chargers took him off the trade block. "A lot of moving parts and lots to think about," Rivers said. "Location, family, team … All I can say at this point regarding an extension is I’m willing to listen to anything. I’m also willing to play it out. I’m just fired up to be the Chargers QB in 2015."

Source: Union-Tribune San Diego
May 1 - 3:35 PM

 

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