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I have no idea what the Bulls are doing.
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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (4 Viewers)
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Boston
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No issues with the C's not making the big deal but no excuse not to bring in a minor part that can help their rebounding this year...especially with all their assets...I think it's very important they win a playoff series this year...they have made huge strides the past three years but if they get knocked out in the first round that would be three years in a row and that is not healthy for them...this offseason I am hoping they end up adding Haywood and the Brooklyn pick...
GOB
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Baloney Sandwich
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Butler, Thomas and Horford don't win you a titleI love that Ainge won't include that pick for a stud like Butler.So dumb.
Cliff Clavin
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wikkidpissah
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Danny just couldnt pass up the opportunity to eschew drafting Fultz or Josh Jackson for someone with no hands, no shot but great athleticism....I love that Ainge won't include that pick for a stud like Butler.
In fairness, there's a good shot those prospects are leading the Celtics to first round exits long after IT and Horford are washed up.
msudaisy26
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On one hand I am so sick of LeBron led teams just walking to the finals every year, on the other hand I want to see Ainge bomb this pick like the Pistons did with Darko in that loaded draft. So hard to pick a side.
Craig_MiamiFL
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Vertical Sources: Deron Williams, Dallas have started discussions toward contract buyout. Cleveland, Utah, Atlanta expressed trade interest.
scoobus
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Uhhh, great college player as a freshman, should've stayed in school all 4 years IMO. So should've Melo.
For the NBA, he's slow and he can't shoot. Haven't seen him play a crazy amount, but I'm assuming his defense is pretty poor due to the limited athleticism. His 4th team in 3 years I believe, so clearly everybody really wants him.
Gr00vus
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wikkidpissah
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Workhorse
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Boston
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Never sure what to believe at the deadline...tough to criticize or applaud what they did not knowing what was actually on the table...it does appear that Ainge is taking the long-view on things...probably spooked by how suddenly the Garnett-Pierce-Allen era came to an end...
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rodg12
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Jayrod
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They've got the toughest piece to a dynasty already in place, the coach. Stevens is going to be very good for a long, long time.
Guess I'm in the minority that even at (what I heard yesterday) what was a starting point of the Nets pick plus Crowder for Butler or George, I'd be tempted to sit tight if I'm Ainge as well. Crowder's a great rotation+ player on a cheap contract, and that Nets pick is their lottery ticket at obtaining a franchise player on a rookie contract. Throw in the fact that they have plenty of cap space this offseason (i.e. Hayward) and they are in incredible position to be absolutely stacked top to bottom in the next 1-2 years. Adding a player like Butler or George would be incredibly fun, but you eat up some of that cap space, give up the potential #1 overall + Crowder, and in the case of George as mentioned above risk having him walk in 1.5 years. What they need to figure out is how to get a rim protector. They're heading towards being absolutely loaded with perimeter players.
No problem whatsoever with Ainge staying the course.
No problem whatsoever with Ainge staying the course.
rodg12
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Stop it. The toughest piece is the Star. How many coaches now has Lebron been successful with?
Jayrod
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Baloney Sandwich
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What move that the Celtics could have made today can't they make at the end of the season for a lower ask?Cliff Clavin said:
Jayrod
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How many times did LeBron lose to Popovich in the finals?
ETA: But you are right, the star is the most difficult piece. Not sure what I was thinking....I'm just a big Stevens fan.
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rodg12
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Cliff Clavin
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You tell me. I'm very happy the Celtics stood pat and didn't add a star player
Boston
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Could not agree more...I love him...
My expectation is that this summer involves a big transaction or two...if they only add the Brooklyn pick this off-season my tune on what they are doing will change...but right now I am totally onboard and trust what they are doing...
Jayrod
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See my edit above. Although for that last title, Duncan was a shadow of his former self.
Poke_4_Life
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So Thunder get McBuckets, Taj, and a 2018 2nd rounder and Chicago gets Cam Payne, Morrow and Lauvergne.
Curious to hear thoughts on this trade. I saw above some Bulls fans think you don't need a PG. As a Thunder fan I've been underwhelmed by Cam Payne this year but he showed flashes last year. Thunder do need a shooter like McBuckets tho, and Taj may help Sabonis get out of his funk.
Curious to hear thoughts on this trade. I saw above some Bulls fans think you don't need a PG. As a Thunder fan I've been underwhelmed by Cam Payne this year but he showed flashes last year. Thunder do need a shooter like McBuckets tho, and Taj may help Sabonis get out of his funk.
wikkidpissah
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LOVE Crowder and wouldnt have included him for Butler. Would have for George because theyre the two guys who can matchup w James and you cant win East without bothering/occupying James. Crowder can only do one of those. PG can do both and, with his post-or-pop taking pressure off the Leprechaun, the 2 shots that gives you at the finals makes it worth the Jersey pick
Craig_MiamiFL
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Opposing GM's that've spoken to Woj in the last 30 minutes "The Bulls must really love Cam Payne".
This poor Bobby Marks #### (former Nets asst GM -- now with Yahoo Sports -- largely responsible for Boston picks deal) has been getting lambasted all week on air. Poor guy is gonna explode sooner or later. Something he's gonna have to live rest of his life with.
This poor Bobby Marks #### (former Nets asst GM -- now with Yahoo Sports -- largely responsible for Boston picks deal) has been getting lambasted all week on air. Poor guy is gonna explode sooner or later. Something he's gonna have to live rest of his life with.
GOB
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Poke_4_Life
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Craig_MiamiFL
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I may have missed it but don't believe anyone's said that. In the last 6+ months, they've added Rondo, MCW, Grant, and now a small PG in Payne who is completely unproven in the NBA. Most Bulls fans realize they don't know WTF they're doing at PG and just a joke at this point.
McBuckets (who has I believe 2 more years on his deal) has the #1 most in demand skill -- shooting. On a team (Bulls) that desperately desperately desperately desperately need that.
They better hope Cam Payne's as good as they think he is. It's gonna be damn interesting to see how he fares alongside Butler & Wade. I'll presume Wade opts out.....but who really knows until it's done.
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Capella
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Paulymaggs
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Will be hilarious when the pick is #3 and boston ends up with neither of those two.wikkidpissah said:
Marks seems like a good enough guy, but I have trouble taking him seriously when he's trying to rip into other GMs for that reason.Opposing GM's that've spoken to Woj in the last 30 minutes "The Bulls must really love Cam Payne".
Craig_MiamiFL
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Lonzo Ball is better than either IMO. He's better than Simmons too for that matter. (And it's not to disparage any of them. Lonzo Ball will be that good)
Praying he winds up in Phoenix.
Praying he winds up in Phoenix.
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modogg
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yeah Celtics PR and the quotes they give about potential trades always seem to be way out in left field. They pulled that stunt with the Sixers in the last draft too, and Colangelo was getting lambasted at first for even suggesting such a terrible trade until everyone figure out the only source was someone from the Celtics officewikkidpissah said:
modogg
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rumor was/is Sixers grabbed Bogut in that horrendous trade as a chip to send to the Celtics. Ainge sounds like a bit of a pain in the ### to work with for trades, especially if they have a PR team that basically insults other franchises.
Before today, I would have said that Boston should pull the trigger on a deal because I know a lot of people say they have a great future lined up, they need to realize there are a few other teams in the East that do as well. Of course after today, I think Celtics fans can sleep easier knowing that all strength and awesome assets the Sixers built over the last few years will likely be wasted. I'll forgive Colangelo and sucky trades if he can evaluate talent exceptionally well, and I hope that is what his affection of 2nd round picks will turn into.
Gr00vus
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It's true, but any chance at a championship roster is dependent on landing a superstar through the draft and then signing another in free agency. To me hanging on to that lottery chance makes more sense than putting together a very good but not great team with Thomas, Horford and George if you're looking to win championships.
mr. furley
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they have MCW, what more of a PG do they need? the guy is a good coach away from being Magic Johnson
mr. furley
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watched someone on ESPN breaking down his jumper the other day. iirc, a total reconstruction is in order.
for next year at this time. curious what the opinion of his play in the NBA will be.
Boston
Footballguy
Not now but who is besides Golden State-Cavs-Spurs...with their Coach, picks, stashes and young players they will get there...the fact Ainge is not mortgaging long term gain for short term fixes only enhances it...
Boston
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wikkidpissah
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The only reason i can come up with for Ainge throwing the season away and Bird failing to either trade George or build further around him is that, like a lot of fantasy owners i run into, these former Celts would both rather win trades than games.
modogg
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i gotta look it up, and yeah that is a very big generalization, but some validation. Can't find it right now cause the current trade deadline is taking all the headlines, but i think it was something like the Sixers would trade Noel and a 1st round pick or 2 1st round picks for the Celtics pick last year and some garbage. I just remember it being a horrible trade rumor and i remember everyone crapping on Colangelo right away cause it was so bad. Then i know a little bit after the trade it came out that the deal mentioned was never even close to an offer, and it was more about the Celtics baiting the Sixers and looking good in the public eye.
modogg
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i'd say you need to consider the SIxers, but damn it i feel like the organization will screw up all the assets and what they have. You have some good youth on the team, a good coach, 1 or 2 foreign players who may have a good spot in the NBA ( i think he is only 19, but Furkan Kormaz has some legit talent, and the only reason he wasn't on the Sixers this year is because he needs to strengthen his body), and the assets are comparable to what the Celtics have. If the Lakers are succesful in their tanking this year we will get their 1st next year which i would guess will be a lottery pick. They get Sacremento's 1st in '19 which should be top 5-7. Not sure what else outside of that, and honestly i would feel a ton better if Hinkie was still in the office, but i would say they are legit competition. Cetics roster is definitely better currently, but a healthy Simmons and Embiid (and i know big IF) certainly make the Sixers competitive
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