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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (2 Viewers)

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the moops said:
McGrady is a 7 time all-NBA player and had some truly ridiculous years from 2000-2005 (finishing top 10 in scoring for 6 straight years). Being one of the only 10 or so successful high school to the pros helps his case too, IMO. Definitely a HOF player to me
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I think he is a borderline HoF'er, but this isn't right. There are around 40 guys that got drafted right out of high school and about 20 of them had decent careers. My question is do they count your college career for your HoF credentials? If so why is Weber not in?

 
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Long Ball Larry said:
Jules Winnfield said:
Fat Lever? 

I remember him from Strat-o-Matic Basketball as a really solid player but never realized he was that good
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For sure.  I absolutely remember him as a triple-double machine.  He was sort of a weird player, but Doug Moe is gonna get you yours. 
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Fat Lever leading the team in rebounds at 6-3, Bill Hanzlik playing center at 6-7, 185, Michael Adams jacking up threes like it's 2017, T.R. Dunn as the "designated defender".. Those Denver teams were unorthodox to say the least.

 
I'm happy McGee is in the league.

"I'm glad Brandon fouled me," he said. "I was going to air ball that 3. Shout out to Brandon Jennings."

 
msudaisy26 said:
I think he is a borderline HoF'er, but this isn't right. There are around 40 guys that got drafted right out of high school and about 20 of them had decent careers. My question is do they count your college career for your HoF credentials? If so why is Weber not in?
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I should have said excellent careers, as opposed to successful

 
msudaisy26 said:
My question is do they count your college career for your HoF credentials? 
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Yes. It is the basketball HOF, not the NBA HOF. Bill Walton is in mainly because of his college career. 

 
Kev4029 said:
I'm happy McGee is in the league.

"I'm glad Brandon fouled me," he said. "I was going to air ball that 3. Shout out to Brandon Jennings."
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He's  a fun guy for sure. Still should've just taken the shot-clock violation.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
He's  a fun guy for sure. Still should've just taken the shot-clock violation.
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Meh. I wouldn't say its necessarily uncommon for somebody to take a shot in that situation. If the shot clock was off, that's a ####ty thing to do, but with a difference of three seconds or whatever, I don't see the big deal. I think leaving Curry and Green in up 20 and having Green gunning for a triple double was the bigger issue, and that is probably what lead to the frustration of Jennings in the last seconds.

 
While we're on Weber, what's the consensus of his analysis in games?  I find his enthusiasm to be refreshing and I enjoy when he calls games.  The only time I find him annoying is when he gets a particular topic in his head and beats it to death without the PBP guy getting him somewhere else.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
He's  a fun guy for sure. Still should've just taken the shot-clock violation.
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Eh. There was time left on the clock, no reason to take a turnover. I don't think it's a big deal, but Kerr made a point after the game that he thought taking a 3 was disrespectful, but would have had no problems if it was a 2.

Either way...looks good to see the Dubs peaking at the right time. I think it's easy to see despite how great Durant is the Dubs are at their best when Curry is in MVP form. It would be nice to see them close out the season undefeated (only 1 road game @ PHO)  with a 17 game win streak and then go 4-4-4-4.

 
Bull Dozier said:
While we're on Weber, what's the consensus of his analysis in games?  I find his enthusiasm to be refreshing and I enjoy when he calls games.  The only time I find him annoying is when he gets a particular topic in his head and beats it to death without the PBP guy getting him somewhere else.
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I would love it if he replaced Mark Jackson or SHAQ on their respective shows. Webber is really good.

 
Kev4029 said:
:shrug: I though he deserved it. He was arguably the best player in the NBA for a year or two in the early 00s. I am a bit surprised how quickly he made it though.
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Obviously everyone has their own set of standards to say somebody is HoF worthy. 

For anyone that saw him, would agree he was one of the best players when he played. His #s in that shortened window were truly HoF worthy. 

But, he didn't win in the playoffs and his back really let him down later in his career.

I'm glad he made it because I thought he was one of the best players in the league during his career. But his career resume lacks a ton of accomplishments.

Signed,

Guy who still owns a pair of TMac shoes

 
holy crapola they can have teletovic that guy stinks on ice if they would take his contract and give us even like a semi decent hot dog guy i would be down with that the best thing teletubby does right now is help the other team get back in it take that to the bank bromigos 

 
mr. furley said:
Magic sign a guy, forget that their FA and trade target board is easily readable in the background of the photo

link to the list if you can't read the whiteboard
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I think this is pretty much a non-story, other than the fact that it shows how dumb the Magic FO and that agent are for letting this picture even exist. The only thing I really got from the list is that they are clearly looking for forwards that can play the perimeter, which can be said for all other 29 teams as well.

 
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Kev4029 said:
I think this is pretty much a non-story, other than the fact that it shows how dumb the Magic FO and that agent are for letting this picture even exist. The only thing I really got from the list is that they are clearly looking for forwards that can play the perimeter, which can be said for all other 29 teams as well.
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I mostly agree, because it's not that hard to imagine who most teams would be considering, especially when you have a list that big.

The Saric (for AG?) note is kind of interesting, though.

 
Kev4029 said:
I think this is pretty much a non-story, other than the fact that it shows how dumb the Magic FO and that agent are for letting this picture even exist. The only thing I really got from the list is that they are clearly looking for forwards that can play the perimeter, which can be said for all other 29 teams as well.
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i'd guess all the NBA teams have similar lists just maybe not in the background of photos that go public

it's just a "funny" pic is all

 
Long Ball Larry said:
I mostly agree, because it's not that hard to imagine who most teams would be considering, especially when you have a list that big.

The Saric (for AG?) note is kind of interesting, though.
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The Saric thing was interesting and the board combined with their terrible moves last offseason make me thing that they aren't as high on Gordon as I think they should be.

 
Capella said:
Hopefully all wiped out in about 10 days 
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My favorite part about the white board is:

Dario Saric (for AG?)

You know the guy the Magic drafted and traded + a 1st for Elfrid ####### Payton.

If that isn't shtick, I really need to reevaluate my choice of team.

 
GOB said:
My favorite part about the white board is:

Dario Saric (for AG?)

You know the guy the Magic drafted and traded + a 1st for Elfrid ####### Payton.

If that isn't shtick, I really need to reevaluate my choice of team.
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Lol at least elfrid has been pretty good these past few weeks 

 
Listened to Izzy and Spain talk show on the way home tonight. They claimed that many 'experts' have recently proclaimed Westbrook's current season to be the best statistical season of all time, or among the very few. They delved into what statistics are implied, since apparently that viewpoint ignores his lousy FG percentage and his turnovers per game. Then they started to rattle off great statistical seasons from the past, like Oscar's triple double season, which was the same year that Wilt averaged 50/27, yet Russell was MVP with 19/24... like Jordan 1987-88, and others.

So came in here to get the FFA's take on where Westbrook's season stacks up (so far). IMO it is a significant exaggeration to say it is on a shortlist of best seasons of all time.

 
GOB said:
My favorite part about the white board is:

Dario Saric (for AG?)

You know the guy the Magic drafted and traded + a 1st for Elfrid ####### Payton.

If that isn't shtick, I really need to reevaluate my choice of team.
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Didn't they basically get nothing in return for Tobias Harris as well? Now they want him back?

 
Just Win Baby said:
Listened to Izzy and Spain talk show on the way home tonight. They claimed that many 'experts' have recently proclaimed Westbrook's current season to be the best statistical season of all time, or among the very few. They delved into what statistics are implied, since apparently that viewpoint ignores his lousy FG percentage and his turnovers per game. Then they started to rattle off great statistical seasons from the past, like Oscar's triple double season, which was the same year that Wilt averaged 50/27, yet Russell was MVP with 19/24... like Jordan 1987-88, and others.

So came in here to get the FFA's take on where Westbrook's season stacks up (so far). IMO it is a significant exaggeration to say it is on a shortlist of best seasons of all time.
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I think it is on a shortlist of the best seasons of all time.

 
Frostillicus said:
Just Win Baby said:
Listened to Izzy and Spain talk show on the way home tonight. They claimed that many 'experts' have recently proclaimed Westbrook's current season to be the best statistical season of all time, or among the very few. They delved into what statistics are implied, since apparently that viewpoint ignores his lousy FG percentage and his turnovers per game. Then they started to rattle off great statistical seasons from the past, like Oscar's triple double season, which was the same year that Wilt averaged 50/27, yet Russell was MVP with 19/24... like Jordan 1987-88, and others.

So came in here to get the FFA's take on where Westbrook's season stacks up (so far). IMO it is a significant exaggeration to say it is on a shortlist of best seasons of all time.
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I think it is on a shortlist of the best seasons of all time.
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I was hoping some of the basketball savants in here could offer some opinions on how it compares to other great seasons. For example, here is a list of other great seasons:

  • Wilt 61-62
  • Oscar 61-62
  • Baylor 61-62
  • Oscar 63-64
  • Wilt 66-67
  • Kareem 71-72
  • Kareem 75-76
  • Erving 75-76 (ABA)
  • Bird 84-85
  • Bird 85-86
  • Magic 86-87
  • Jordan 87-88
  • Jordan 88-89
  • Jordan 90-91
  • Jordan 95-96
  • Olajuwon 92-93
  • Olajuwon 93-94
  • Robinson 93-94
  • Shaq 99-00
  • Duncan 02-03
  • Garnett 03-04
  • Kobe 05-06
  • Lebron 08-09
  • Lebron 12-13
  • Curry 15-16
  • Harden 16-17
I'm sure this list is incomplete, just a list I discovered with some quick Googling. I mean, there is no mention of Russell here. And I suspect I could have listed other seasons for Wilt, Kareem, Jordan, and maybe others.

Part of the discussion I heard pointed out that Westbrook is 1st in FGAs and 1st in FG misses, shooting just .425. And 2nd in the league in turnovers. They also claimed he is an indifferent defender at least at times. Many of the seasons above resulted in strong ppg/rpg/apg numbers, though perhaps not as impressive as Westbrook's... but with better shooting, better turnover numbers, and better defense. But also in different eras.

Hence my post.

 
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Quick check from Based on Basketball-Reference:

- Win Shares: Westbrook is currently at 12.2. The Top 100 starts at 15.4 win shares by Moses Malone in 81-82. #1 Kareem 71-72 @ 25.4, #2 Wilt 63-64 @ 25, #3 George Mikan @23.4. Jordan's best year was 87-88 @ 21.2 WS. LBJ best was 08-09 @ 20.3. Curry's last year was 17.9 and ranks 36th.

- VORP: #4 (11.5) All-Time behind MJ 88-99 (12), MJ 87-88 (11.8), LBJ 08-09 (11.6)

 
Dolan is a lunatic if he can't take a little heckling from a fan (who just happens to be a friend of mine) - http://deadspin.com/james-dolan-called-me-an-#######-knicks-fan-says-he-1794049930

 
Redwes25 said:
Dolan is a lunatic if he can't take a little heckling from a fan (who just happens to be a friend of mine) - http://deadspin.com/james-dolan-called-me-an-#######-knicks-fan-says-he-1794049930
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he owns the team. he doesn't want people screaming at him. his building.  sucks your buddy got kicked out (even though he got back in) but maybe don't heckle the owner?

 
mr. furley said:
he owns the team. he doesn't want people screaming at him. his building.  sucks your buddy got kicked out (even though he got back in) but maybe don't heckle the owner?
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My buddy is clearly an ###-hole (and always has been one) but you run a franchise horribly for 20 years and you can't take someone saying to you to sell the team.  What does the guy expect.  It is not like my fried cursed at him or said anything truly offensive.  His reaction of screaming at a season ticket holder on the street doesn't seem like someone who has much control over themselves.  

ETA - It is also pretty funny.

 
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