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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (4 Viewers)

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I disagree...now that you know you have the #1 pick you are dealing from strength...remember, when they were talking trade before teams did not know if that pick was 1 or 4...they also have the Brooklyn pick next year so they have the option of dealing that or bringing in another high-end youngster...
yeah that isn't wrong. but I think the value they could have got for one of their guards or whoever else they need to move around is less then it would have been, At least that is what the Sixers base seems to think. This might be based more on the idea that the Celtics and Sixers have supposedly had "talks" for 2 years about trading a Sixer big for a Celtics guard.

 
So I guess you guys (yes, you are speaking for all Cs fans) are expecting him to be on the team next year?
it just aint the Celts without some Sully butt, and Dancing Bear can actually shoot!!!

him and a 7ft Euro named Itchy Icicicicicicicic or sumn were drafted w Celts 2nd & 3rd 1st rd pix last yr. Itchy's like 12yo but did better than they thought & they expect and need him to play next yr. Thought Da Beah - who abso LIT China up last season - was coming too but that article says he might couldnt if they sign Hayward. I want me some Bear and i want it NOW! Evvybody dance!!!

 
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I can only speak to the Philly side of things, but man this couldn't be more inaccurate. I'll gladly come in here and admit to being wrong, but tell me in 2-3 years when the 6ers are in the playoffs that Embiid and Simmons won't effect the game. This year was all about injuries, which has been too much of a common theme. For me, I am glad Embiid's injury this year wasn't his foot or his back, so I am hopeful that he doesn't have a career-threatening injury (despite people loving to relate him to Greg Oden). They have plenty of good, young talent, and the whole idea of "the process" was based on the idea that top draft picks aren't a guarantee. Only real miss they have had is Okafor, which from the rumors sounds like it was something that was done based on outside factors.

Your mention of NO is an interesting one, I am intrigued with how they look next year. It is comical to think big, and 2 bigs is such a flawed plan, Duncan and Robinson aren't that long ago. Coaching, etc., is a big factor. I for one think the NO plan can work, but am not confident it will because that organization seems to have other flaws. But to think it can't work is short-sighted as well. Give me an athletic center like Embiid and I am very confident he can prove that wrong.
I don't disagree about Embiid and Simmons, but Duncan and Robinson are a lifetime ago in the NBA game.  Embiid and Simmons should work because of athleticism and vision.

 
you know who is going to be pretty damn good in my opinion tron master on the bucks brohans and you can take that to the bank shot on me 

 
I don't disagree about Embiid and Simmons, but Duncan and Robinson are a lifetime ago in the NBA game.  Embiid and Simmons should work because of athleticism and vision.
I hope Simmons comes through as a top player. all indications are that he will, but we really won't know until he gets a lot of NBA games under him. And Embiid is really a special talent. I remember before he was able to play in NBA games him going through pre-game drills and him just raining 3s from being the player bench consecutively forever.

Truly scary thing about Embiid is that he has played what, less then a 100 organized games of basketball? I was listening to a podcast with Brett Browne and he was saying the most impressive thing about Embiid is this and his ceiling is out of this world. I think all NBA fans should hope that injuries don't derail his career, would love to see how high he can really go

 
So Gordon Heyward didn't make 1st, 2nd or 3rd All-NBA - what does that mean for his pending FA status? 
I heard rumblings earlier in the week it will either help or hinder teams from signing him but I can't remember.

 
from what I have heard about the situation is that as well, but I think that teams know that so Boston can't expect much in return for whatever they choose to do. Similar to Philly with the bigs, I think the time for Ainge to do something about this was the trade deadline or last season, not now. Of course they are in the ECF so Ainge can give me a nice middle finger in return for those thoughts and he wouldn't be wrong.
Why would it matter that teams know that?  Every single team in the NBA faces similar issues.  So long as there is more than 1 suitor for Bradley they will get a fine return

As I said earlier, Bradley is nearly 100% gone.  Because of that I think Smart stays, and think it is the right move (Smart's skillset tougher to replace).  The key to it all is to land Hayward, who will have more than a couple suitors.  He is a perfect fit for Boston though and I bet he sees it as a similar fit / good spot to be

 
I hope Simmons comes through as a top player. all indications are that he will, but we really won't know until he gets a lot of NBA games under him. And Embiid is really a special talent. I remember before he was able to play in NBA games him going through pre-game drills and him just raining 3s from being the player bench consecutively forever.

Truly scary thing about Embiid is that he has played what, less then a 100 organized games of basketball? I was listening to a podcast with Brett Browne and he was saying the most impressive thing about Embiid is this and his ceiling is out of this world. I think all NBA fans should hope that injuries don't derail his career, would love to see how high he can really go
What Simmons really needed was a year off from making outside shots in earnest and bruising his delicate genius with exertion of any kind. Bought in on the Process from the start, but i might even hope Simmons flops more than Lonzo.

 
Right now, you are correct. However, Fultz/Brown plus at least one other high lottery pick are the building blocks of something that could be very good in 2020 and beyond. Fultz has a good chance to be a franchise kind of player.
The PAC-12 was such a soft conference defensively this year.  The only true test Fultz faced this season was against Gonzaga where he shot 3 for 14 in the first half lol.  The majority of his points came in the second half where they trailed by 20+ points.  

The same goes for Ball.  He completely disappeared when Kentucky shut him down in a must win tournament game.

We are talking about a number ONE pick here that other teams will pay an excess premium to have.  I simply would not waste that on players who played a soft college schedule and showed nothing worthy of an ONE pick when they had a few opportunities to showcase themselves against elite college defenses.

 
So Gordon Heyward didn't make 1st, 2nd or 3rd All-NBA - what does that mean for his pending FA status? 
I heard rumblings earlier in the week it will either help or hinder teams from signing him but I can't remember.
thirty percent of cap (a projected $30.6) is his max number then, i read, instead of 35%. 

 
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you know who is going to be pretty damn good in my opinion tron master on the bucks brohans and you can take that to the bank shot on me 
could be notmuch, could be SOD. i can take that at least to the BofA kiosk outside Staples
ill allow it but i think he is going to be good he looked really really good at times in very limited action last year so i think that train in coming and swc is shouting all a board that is all that i am sayin take that to the bank bromigos 

 
I can only speak to the Philly side of things, but man this couldn't be more inaccurate. I'll gladly come in here and admit to being wrong, but tell me in 2-3 years when the 6ers are in the playoffs that Embiid and Simmons won't effect the game. This year was all about injuries, which has been too much of a common theme. For me, I am glad Embiid's injury this year wasn't his foot or his back, so I am hopeful that he doesn't have a career-threatening injury (despite people loving to relate him to Greg Oden). They have plenty of good, young talent, and the whole idea of "the process" was based on the idea that top draft picks aren't a guarantee. Only real miss they have had is Okafor, which from the rumors sounds like it was something that was done based on outside factors.

Your mention of NO is an interesting one, I am intrigued with how they look next year. It is comical to think big, and 2 bigs is such a flawed plan, Duncan and Robinson aren't that long ago. Coaching, etc., is a big factor. I for one think the NO plan can work, but am not confident it will because that organization seems to have other flaws. But to think it can't work is short-sighted as well. Give me an athletic center like Embiid and I am very confident he can prove that wrong.
Just to be clear I don't consider Simmons a big even though he is tall.  He's the type of guy you build around if he is the guy that Philly hopes he becomes.  Since he hasn't played yet I did not include him as a hit.  I do think Embiid is not a guy that helps you win as anything more than a role player.  Kind of like a Kevin Love type.  NO will be interesting to watch.  But if your top two players can't handle the ball and create I don't see how you can win.  Duncan did it recently.  But I feel like when he was still the top guy was a different era.  Pre Leonard their last championship was 10 years ago.

 
Sindarius Thornwell is a player I can't believe is going 40+ in mock drafts.  He is an elite two way player who can score, was the primary defender on a top five defensive team, and helped lead his team to the final four.   

 
ill allow it but i think he is going to be good he looked really really good at times in very limited action last year so i think that train in coming and swc is shouting all a board that is all that i am sayin take that to the bank bromigos 
Tron's got scary chops - very vertical, though not very butch, and a beauty outside stroke when he has time. He's got that uglybad spacing sense that Wiggy & Jaylen "Trumphands" Brown has, though, and Kidd doesnt impress me as the kind of coach to disabuse him of that.

 
you know who is going to be pretty damn good in my opinion tron master on the bucks brohans and you can take that to the bank shot on me 
If Fultz isn't an MVP candidate type player and Embiid can't ever play big minutes (and both are probably more likely than not at this point), I think the Bucks  might be better 2-3 years from now than either Boston or Philly. The MVP type guy is the biggest piece of the puzzle and the Bucks have one, plus another couple nice young pieces. 

 
totally agree thecatch i hate saying things like this because im superstishous and want to knock on wood but jeez tron master anteaternintendo brohogdon and snells bells are a pretty damn long and really tough defending foursome and throw in the pearl monroe for a little scoring and dellydonut for some cheap shots thats tough now if they can find some pieces like maybe a scoring driving point guard ala brandon knight unload that loser teletuddynovick send henson who is a good guy but doesnt fit for picks i like where they are going take that to the bank 

 
So Gordon Heyward didn't make 1st, 2nd or 3rd All-NBA - what does that mean for his pending FA status? 
I heard rumblings earlier in the week it will either help or hinder teams from signing him but I can't remember.
Less likely to stay in Utah because they now can't exclusively offer him the SuperMax veteran player extension of $207M over five years.

Same applies to Paul George and Indiana.

 
Tron's got scary chops - very vertical, though not very butch, and a beauty outside stroke when he has time. He's got that uglybad spacing sense that Wiggy & Jaylen "Trumphands" Brown has, though, and Kidd doesnt impress me as the kind of coach to disabuse him of that.
tron could be anywhere from 20 to 25 years old but i think he is young he will get bigger he looks the same body wise as anteater did when he was a rook and that worked out sort of ok and guess what kidd has actually really helped him too so i think j kidd who i disliked then liked now sort of like and dislike will do ok with tron too that is my thought take that to the bank also having brohogdon around is like having another coach he will help with spacing he gets it bam another bank take on that one

 
Less likely to stay in Utah because they now can't exclusively offer him the SuperMax veteran player extension of $207M over five years.

Same applies to Paul George and Indiana.
Just to add to this, both those guys could stay with their teams for one more year and try to qualify again next offseason. But they'd have to leapfrog Lebron, Kawhi, Anteaternintendo, Durant, Draymond, and Butler to do it. And neither George or Hayward were anywhere close to those guys in this year's voting. 

 
Sindarius Thornwell is a player I can't believe is going 40+ in mock drafts.  He is an elite two way player who can score, was the primary defender on a top five defensive team, and helped lead his team to the final four.   
Dare I us say unto thee, my wellthorned friends, 'tis a sin! Dozier not upon him!!

 
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I don't think there is anything I've wanted in the NBA more; than to see the Lakers pass on Lorenzo Ball in the draft. 
It's not out of the realm of possibility. He's got serious flaws in his game. Magic liked what he saw of Fox - I might like Fox better too actually. And they've been discussing Jackson as well.

 
It's not out of the realm of possibility. He's got serious flaws in his game. Magic liked what he saw of Fox - I might like Fox better too actually. And they've been discussing Jackson as well.
the Lakers have f'd up the Sixers draft board at least once the past 3 years. Please just take Ball and make this easy. So would have rather had Russel and you guys take Okafor. Believe me I am no fan of Okafor, but I also think the guy can be a productive center in the right system. it is just the Sixers are the opposite of that system

 
Sindarius Thornwell is a player I can't believe is going 40+ in mock drafts.  He is an elite two way player who can score, was the primary defender on a top five defensive team, and helped lead his team to the final four.   
Love Thornwell, but before that tourney run everyone said Dozier was the top NBA prospect.  I am curious to see what Thornwell becomes in the NBA though.

 
I think I would rather see him get drafted by the Lakers then totally flame out. But really either would be great.
It is so sad his dad has done this to this kid. I mean, the amount of hatred this kid has coming his way because of it is unreal.

You have veterans just licking their chops awaiting to school this kid, night in and night out.

 
Niles Standish said:
Just to be clear I don't consider Simmons a big even though he is tall.  He's the type of guy you build around if he is the guy that Philly hopes he becomes.  Since he hasn't played yet I did not include him as a hit.  I do think Embiid is not a guy that helps you win as anything more than a role player.  Kind of like a Kevin Love type.  NO will be interesting to watch.  But if your top two players can't handle the ball and create I don't see how you can win.  Duncan did it recently.  But I feel like when he was still the top guy was a different era.  Pre Leonard their last championship was 10 years ago.
This is surprising.   I watched him quite a bit this year and don't see this at all.  Love is a great player, but his main limitations (length and athleticism) are precisely the things that make Embiid so special.  What Embiid lacks at this point (and Love excels in) is passing ability/court vision and overall BBIQ (esp. on defense).  If he can stay healthy (the biggest question mark of them all), he can be the centerpiece of a championship team IMO because his upside on both sides of the ball is so enormous (whereas guys like Love and Anthony were always going to be defensive liabilities). 

 
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Yeah, I'm so glad my dad never put me in a position to go in the top 5.
yeah, again, the kid has an awesome work ethic, unbelievable passing ability, is named a lottery pick, and loves his family.

Just horrible.....

Maybe the guy seems like a #####, but he sure seemed to plant the right seeds, unless all the scouts are wrong.

 
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It is so sad his dad has done this to this kid. I mean, the amount of hatred this kid has coming his way because of it is unreal.

You have veterans just licking their chops awaiting to school this kid, night in and night out.
I think once he himself gets in front of the media and we hear more out of his own mouth, it could have a big impact.  Right now his dad is overshadowing everything he says/does.  If his dad is sitting there with a microphone during the local media introduction the day after the draft, that's going to say a lot. If he answers questions with the (even if they are cliche answers) like "I've got a lot of work to do," "I'm here to learn and work hard" and refuses to talk about Big Baller Brand, that might change some minds.  

Personally, as much as I hate the dad, I'm rooting for the kid.  I enjoyed watching him play most of the games I saw.  I love guys that can pass, so he would be the kind of guy I root for.  However, if his dad gets more media time the better he does, that could be enough to change my mind.

 
This is surprising.   I watched him quite a bit this year and don't see this at all.  Love is a great player, but his main limitations (length and athleticism) are precisely the things that make Embiid so special.  What Embiid lacks at this point (and Love excels in) is passing ability/court vision and overall BBIQ (esp. on defense).  If he can stay healthy (the biggest question mark of them all), he can be the centerpiece of a championship team IMO because his upside on both sides of the ball is so enormous (whereas guys like Love and Anthony were always going to be defensive liabilities). 
as someone who has seen everyone of his games this year, Embiid is painfully obviously not just a role player. I get that the league has gone away from bigmen for the last 5-8 years. Well Sixers zigged while others zagged, and I am quite confident that Embiid (if healthy as well know is the key) is a perennial all-star and one of the best players in the league, if not the best in 3-4 years

 
I think once he himself gets in front of the media and we hear more out of his own mouth, it could have a big impact.  Right now his dad is overshadowing everything he says/does.  If his dad is sitting there with a microphone during the local media introduction the day after the draft, that's going to say a lot. If he answers questions with the (even if they are cliche answers) like "I've got a lot of work to do," "I'm here to learn and work hard" and refuses to talk about Big Baller Brand, that might change some minds.  

Personally, as much as I hate the dad, I'm rooting for the kid.  I enjoyed watching him play most of the games I saw.  I love guys that can pass, so he would be the kind of guy I root for.  However, if his dad gets more media time the better he does, that could be enough to change my mind.
I think I read an interview with the kid and his response was, like a shrug... "That's my dad, that's how he is."  I wish I had some control over what an embarrassing father mine was when I was 22.  So I'm only going to wish failure on the kid if he ends up wearing a Lakers uniform.

 
embids foot and knee stuff scares me brohans i hope that he comes through it and we get to see him be what he can be but it sort of feels jabrarish or ilgoonus zilaguauskusy to me just a poor guy who had a spark but who was always hurt although i hope that is not the case take that to teh bank brohahs 
I'd just play him 25-30 minutes a game.  

Start and play first 8-9 minutes.

Sit him in the 2nd quarter.  

First 8 minutes of 3rd quarter

Last 9-10 minutes of 4th.  

 
So Sun Tues Sat for the West. Wed Fri Sun for the East. The NBA has the weirdest scheduling.
In that particular case, it kind of made sense, though in not totally sure why they wouldn't have wanted game 7 on Sunday.  I guess they just thought with the teams involved that gsw ratings would be that much higher.  But could have just started west finals on Tuesday and east finals on Wednesday I would think.

 
The Eastern Conference finals can't end in a sweep, the Celtics already lost a game
:lmao:

Haven't you heard? The Celtics are waiting until Lebron and the Warriors finish up there runs before they take over the NBA. Sorry, brohans, anteaterninetdo's, the process, and Tommygunz, but the Celtics are next in line, and they have waited patiently since 2008. You will just have to get in line and wait your turn.

 
Whoever voted Leonard as 3rd team All NBA should have his voting privileges revoked.

 
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Feeling like the Celts got a shot here, at least a much closer game. They started 1-15 from the 3 point line. If they hit their open shots this is within 5 points going into the 4th

 
sweep. i'm guessing Stevens will set something up so that a guard picks James up high, then have Crowder (who guards him well) jump the pick or sumn. won't be enough - Leprechaun's busted.

 
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